subject:"\[RBW\] Re\: Gus \/Susie bottom bracket \-which one\?"

Re: [RBW] Re: Gus /Susie bottom bracket -which one?

2024-02-25 Thread Kim H.

@Patrick-

Penny is the employee's name that you have forgotten.

Kim Hetzel.

On Sat, Feb 24, 2024, 8:49 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Oh, and yes, very genial transaction between Peter and his order assistant
> whose name I forget.
>
> On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 9:48 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> It's good to know that these SL bbs are recommended by a knowledgeable
>> professional -- well, since Peter carries them, that is probably
>> recommendation in itself. I ordered one myself yesterday, a 127 mm to try
>> to skim off a few mm of the Q on my Matthews "road bike for dirt" -- with
>> the current 130 mm Phil there are about 3 mm of unused airspace between the
>> inside of the left arm and the outside of the stay. Must also try that NOS
>> 125 mm SunTour Greaseguard bb, but I fear that even with right arm skimming
>> the stay on its side -- as it is with proper chainline -- the left arm will
>> still rub.
>>
>> May soon have a NOS/NIB ST GG bb bearing assembly for sale 
>>
>> Alas, the 127s are available only with plastic cups, but iboblist
>> scuttlebutt says that they hold up fine, and Peter said he could not recall
>> ever having problems with them. Still, I'd have preferred metal for
>> aesthetic, philosophical, and moral reasons.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 7:48 AM Richard Rose  wrote:
>>
>>> Good Morning! Attached here is a pic from Peter White website. BTW, I
>>> called, Peter answered & after a nice conversation I ordered over the
>>> phone. It arrived in two days. Nice transaction for sure. Also, these
>>> bottom brackets came highly recommended by Analog Cycles - good enough for
>>> me.:)
>>> The Shimano bb that I replaced was a 118, this Stronglight is 119. I
>>> ordered the more expensive one with the aluminum vs. plastic cups. Still
>>> just $50.00! And you are correct, I did not change anything else.
>>>
>>
>>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Gus /Susie bottom bracket -which one?

2024-02-25 Thread Richard Rose

Oops! Shimano bottom brackets, not Nitto!Sent from my iPhoneOn Feb 24, 2024, at 6:26 PM, Richard Rose wrote:This issue (crank arm proper clearance) befuddles me also. With the Riv supplied Nitto brackets on both my Clem & Gus I have HUGE clearance. Small ring has plenty also. Clearly I could use a shorter spindle. Perhaps there is an issue with tire rub on these bikes? Running 55mm tires on Clem, 2.6” on Gus.Sent from my iPhoneOn Feb 24, 2024, at 11:48 AM, Patrick Moore wrote:It's good to know that these SL bbs are recommended by a knowledgeable professional -- well, since Peter carries them, that is probably recommendation in itself. I ordered one myself yesterday, a 127 mm to try to skim off a few mm of the Q on my Matthews "road bike for dirt" -- with the current 130 mm Phil there are about 3 mm of unused airspace between the inside of the left arm and the outside of the stay. Must also try that NOS 125 mm SunTour Greaseguard bb, but I fear that even with right arm skimming the stay on its side -- as it is with proper chainline -- the left arm will still rub.May soon have a NOS/NIB ST GG bb bearing assembly for sale Alas, the 127s are available only with plastic cups, but iboblist scuttlebutt says that they hold up fine, and Peter said he could not recall ever having problems with them. Still, I'd have preferred metal for aesthetic, philosophical, and moral reasons.On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 7:48 AM Richard Rose wrote:Good Morning! Attached here is a pic from Peter White website. BTW, I called, Peter answered & after a nice conversation I ordered over the phone. It arrived in two days. Nice transaction for sure. Also, these bottom brackets came highly recommended by Analog Cycles - good enough for me.:)The Shimano bb that I replaced was a 118, this Stronglight is 119. I ordered the more expensive one with the aluminum vs. plastic cups. Still just $50.00! And you are correct, I did not change anything else.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Gus /Susie bottom bracket -which one?

2024-02-24 Thread Richard Rose

This issue (crank arm proper clearance) befuddles me also. With the Riv supplied Nitto brackets on both my Clem & Gus I have HUGE clearance. Small ring has plenty also. Clearly I could use a shorter spindle. Perhaps there is an issue with tire rub on these bikes? Running 55mm tires on Clem, 2.6” on Gus.Sent from my iPhoneOn Feb 24, 2024, at 11:48 AM, Patrick Moore wrote:It's good to know that these SL bbs are recommended by a knowledgeable professional -- well, since Peter carries them, that is probably recommendation in itself. I ordered one myself yesterday, a 127 mm to try to skim off a few mm of the Q on my Matthews "road bike for dirt" -- with the current 130 mm Phil there are about 3 mm of unused airspace between the inside of the left arm and the outside of the stay. Must also try that NOS 125 mm SunTour Greaseguard bb, but I fear that even with right arm skimming the stay on its side -- as it is with proper chainline -- the left arm will still rub.May soon have a NOS/NIB ST GG bb bearing assembly for sale Alas, the 127s are available only with plastic cups, but iboblist scuttlebutt says that they hold up fine, and Peter said he could not recall ever having problems with them. Still, I'd have preferred metal for aesthetic, philosophical, and moral reasons.On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 7:48 AM Richard Rose wrote:Good Morning! Attached here is a pic from Peter White website. BTW, I called, Peter answered & after a nice conversation I ordered over the phone. It arrived in two days. Nice transaction for sure. Also, these bottom brackets came highly recommended by Analog Cycles - good enough for me.:)The Shimano bb that I replaced was a 118, this Stronglight is 119. I ordered the more expensive one with the aluminum vs. plastic cups. Still just $50.00! And you are correct, I did not change anything else.

Re: [RBW] Re: Gus /Susie bottom bracket -which one?

2024-02-24 Thread Richard Rose

Silver wide/low standard issue.Sent from my iPhoneOn Feb 24, 2024, at 11:46 AM, Kris Burns wrote:What crankset are you using?On Thursday, February 22, 2024 at 12:14:10 PM UTC-6 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:I asked about this when I bought my Gus and got no conclusive answers. I really did not get a conclusive answer from Riv either. When I ordered a bunch of components from Riv for my Gus build the answer I got about what BB to get went something like " we will look into it and send you the right one". The one I got does work but the box it came in does not give me the information I seek.Here are my questions. Gus and Susie have 73 shells. Riv does not list 73 bb's for sale. And they suggest which 68mm IRD one to get for your Gus/Susie - 123 width with right side spacer(?). Am I to conclude that 68mm bottom brackets work on a 73mm shell? An Tange bb has become available that is a 68mm with a 122.5 spindle. Will it work on my Gus. What about the drive side spacer?Please excuse my ignorance. I would like to upgrade my bottom bracket and really have no idea what will fit best. I gather a lot of different spindle lengths will work but not ideally?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Gus /Susie bottom bracket -which one?

2024-02-24 Thread Patrick Moore

Oh, and yes, very genial transaction between Peter and his order assistant
whose name I forget.

On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 9:48 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> It's good to know that these SL bbs are recommended by a knowledgeable
> professional -- well, since Peter carries them, that is probably
> recommendation in itself. I ordered one myself yesterday, a 127 mm to try
> to skim off a few mm of the Q on my Matthews "road bike for dirt" -- with
> the current 130 mm Phil there are about 3 mm of unused airspace between the
> inside of the left arm and the outside of the stay. Must also try that NOS
> 125 mm SunTour Greaseguard bb, but I fear that even with right arm skimming
> the stay on its side -- as it is with proper chainline -- the left arm will
> still rub.
>
> May soon have a NOS/NIB ST GG bb bearing assembly for sale 
>
> Alas, the 127s are available only with plastic cups, but iboblist
> scuttlebutt says that they hold up fine, and Peter said he could not recall
> ever having problems with them. Still, I'd have preferred metal for
> aesthetic, philosophical, and moral reasons.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 7:48 AM Richard Rose  wrote:
>
>> Good Morning! Attached here is a pic from Peter White website. BTW, I
>> called, Peter answered & after a nice conversation I ordered over the
>> phone. It arrived in two days. Nice transaction for sure. Also, these
>> bottom brackets came highly recommended by Analog Cycles - good enough for
>> me.:)
>> The Shimano bb that I replaced was a 118, this Stronglight is 119. I
>> ordered the more expensive one with the aluminum vs. plastic cups. Still
>> just $50.00! And you are correct, I did not change anything else.
>>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Gus /Susie bottom bracket -which one?

2024-02-24 Thread Patrick Moore

It's good to know that these SL bbs are recommended by a knowledgeable
professional -- well, since Peter carries them, that is probably
recommendation in itself. I ordered one myself yesterday, a 127 mm to try
to skim off a few mm of the Q on my Matthews "road bike for dirt" -- with
the current 130 mm Phil there are about 3 mm of unused airspace between the
inside of the left arm and the outside of the stay. Must also try that NOS
125 mm SunTour Greaseguard bb, but I fear that even with right arm skimming
the stay on its side -- as it is with proper chainline -- the left arm will
still rub.

May soon have a NOS/NIB ST GG bb bearing assembly for sale 

Alas, the 127s are available only with plastic cups, but iboblist
scuttlebutt says that they hold up fine, and Peter said he could not recall
ever having problems with them. Still, I'd have preferred metal for
aesthetic, philosophical, and moral reasons.

On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 7:48 AM Richard Rose  wrote:

> Good Morning! Attached here is a pic from Peter White website. BTW, I
> called, Peter answered & after a nice conversation I ordered over the
> phone. It arrived in two days. Nice transaction for sure. Also, these
> bottom brackets came highly recommended by Analog Cycles - good enough for
> me.:)
> The Shimano bb that I replaced was a 118, this Stronglight is 119. I
> ordered the more expensive one with the aluminum vs. plastic cups. Still
> just $50.00! And you are correct, I did not change anything else.
>

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[RBW] Re: Gus /Susie bottom bracket -which one?

2024-02-24 Thread Kris Burns

What crankset are you using?

On Thursday, February 22, 2024 at 12:14:10 PM UTC-6 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> I asked about this when I bought my Gus and got no conclusive answers. I 
> really did not get a conclusive answer from Riv either. When I ordered a 
> bunch of components from Riv for my Gus build the answer I got about what 
> BB to get went something like " we will look into it and send you the right 
> one". The one I got does work but the box it came in does not give me the 
> information I seek.
> Here are my questions. Gus and Susie have 73 shells. Riv does not list 73 
> bb's for sale. And they suggest which 68mm IRD one to get for your 
> Gus/Susie - 123 width with right side spacer(?). Am I to conclude that 68mm 
> bottom brackets work on a 73mm shell? An Tange bb has become available that 
> is a 68mm with a 122.5 spindle. Will it work on my Gus. What about the 
> drive side spacer?
> Please excuse my ignorance. I would like to upgrade my bottom bracket and 
> really have no idea what will fit best. I gather a lot of different spindle 
> lengths will work but not ideally?
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Gus /Susie bottom bracket -which one?

2024-02-23 Thread Kim H.

@Richard -

Thank-you. 

Yes, I know that I do not have as many miles on my Clem's BB as you did, 
since the bicycle was from the 2023 production and a "Demo-bike" at RBW 
headquarters. I am just concerned about how my BB feels upon pulliing it 
off here in the near future. I want a smooth running drive train.

Kim Hetzel
The frogs are singing in the night air and the daffodils are showing their 
blooms of spring !

On Friday, February 23, 2024 at 8:21:10 PM UTC-8 Richard Rose wrote:

Kim, I do have it & will dig it up tomorrow. By the way, my Shimano bb felt 
fine until I removed the crank & spun the bottom bracket by hand. It was 
not “crunchy” as others have described. It was stiff though & felt kind of 
“notchy”, almost indexed. I had put almost 7,000 miles on it so figured now 
was the time. The new one is really smooth.
Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 23, 2024, at 10:46 PM, Kim H.  wrote:



@Richard -

Do you know of the model serial number of the Stronglight BB that you 
bought from Peter White Cycles for your Clem ? ... providing that you have 
not changed up your stock SILVER double 34/24T rings and spindle length.

>From the information that you have shared, I am concerned about my BB on my 
Clem not being buttery smooth from the stock Shimano BB and having perhaps 
a lot of drag.

Thank-you.
Kim Hetzel. 



On Friday, February 23, 2024 at 7:09:08 AM UTC-8 Richard Rose wrote:

Thanks Regi. The BB I have on the Gus does work fine. I recently replaced 
the Shimano BB on my Clem (it felt very stiff) after 7,000 miles of service 
with a Stronglight unit from Peter White. I was shocked how much smother it 
is. This got me thinking about replacing the same Shimano unit on my Gus 
that only has about 1,600 miles use. One of the IRD higher end units 
(UN-95?) came up for sale here in the proper spindle width (122.5) that 
caught my eye. It is a 68mm unit but those conversion cups would take care 
of that. However I am still confused by the Riv suggestion that you need a 
bb with the driveside spacer or offset spindle. As in, is it sufficient to 
get a bb with a 122-123 spindle or does it have to be offset. I am guessing 
this all has to do with chainline & chainring clearance particularly with 
wider tires?
Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 22, 2024, at 11:42 PM, R. Alexis  wrote:

Looking at IRD website the IRD Quad has a 73mm conversion cups and a 
conversion washer to change the 68 to a 73. Bottom brackets without a 
shoulder can be mounted to work with both 68 and 73mm bottom brackets. The 
bottom bracket would fit further in the shell. I did this with a TruVativ  
Powerspline bottom bracket. Had the shoulder machined off the 68mm driver 
side to fit further in the 73mm bottom bracket. The person that took it to 
have it machined didn't know to leave the tool mounting splines. I ended up 
putting spanner pins in to install. 


Does the current spindle length work and fit for your use? Do both the arms 
and chainring clear sufficiently? Are you changing cranks? 

I know that on my SunTour cranks with 110/74 BCD and 175mm length I think 
they specify possibly a 125 or 127mm spindle, but 122.5mm spindles have fit 
fine on my bikes. Only bike using 127mm is the Schwinn High Plains 
Aluminum. 

Thanks,

Reginald Alexis

On Thursday, February 22, 2024 at 3:20:18 PM UTC-6 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

Well, now I feel stupid. I did not scroll enough. Riv does indeed sell 73mm 
bottom brackets & one of them has the 2.5 drive side spacer. I presume that 
one is offered for the Gus/Susie frames. I still don’t see how one of the 
IRD bb could work at only 68mm.
Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 22, 2024, at 3:12 PM, Garth  wrote:



I see their web catalog explanations are as clear as mud ! Maybe that's why 
they couldn't convey it to you either. They have 73mm UN55's but no 
explanations, only this...

113, 118

122.5 x 73, 48.8 chainline

123, B23X, Right +2.5mm
sigh . 

This can't work for the Silver crank on a Susie ? 
Well WHY ?  simple question ... -:)

Just being honest, I tend not to want to deal with people that aren't able 
to give clear answers to my direct questions, or don't have the wits to ask 
me to clarify the questions, to be more specific to get a more specific 
answer. "Explain so a child can understand it" never seems to fail. "Why ?" 
can never be asked enough as far as I'm concerned. So to all those 
inquisitives asking repeatedly WHY ?.I tip my hat to you in 
gratitude Y-Not ! 

I can't give you a specific answer about your crank/bb as much as I may 
wish to as I'm not a mind reader seeing things as they do. I have a stock 
of various length cartridges on hand and a bag of various spacers and I 
play around with the combo that suits where I want the crank to be in 
relation to the frame. Why ? :-) Because someone can "recommend" a certain 
setup and it be perfect from their perspective. That may or may not apply 
to anyone else though. It's no different that a mfr. spec'ing a certain

Re: [RBW] Re: Gus /Susie bottom bracket -which one?

2024-02-23 Thread Richard Rose

Kim, I do have it & will dig it up tomorrow. By the way, my Shimano bb felt fine until I removed the crank & spun the bottom bracket by hand. It was not “crunchy” as others have described. It was stiff though & felt kind of “notchy”, almost indexed. I had put almost 7,000 miles on it so figured now was the time. The new one is really smooth.Sent from my iPhoneOn Feb 23, 2024, at 10:46 PM, Kim H. wrote:@Richard -Do you know of the model serial number of the Stronglight BB that you bought from Peter White Cycles for your Clem ? ... providing that you have not changed up your stock SILVER double 34/24T rings and spindle length.From the information that you have shared, I am concerned about my BB on my Clem not being buttery smooth from the stock Shimano BB and having perhaps a lot of drag.Thank-you.Kim Hetzel. On Friday, February 23, 2024 at 7:09:08 AM UTC-8 Richard Rose wrote:Thanks Regi. The BB I have on the Gus does work fine. I recently replaced the Shimano BB on my Clem (it felt very stiff) after 7,000 miles of service with a Stronglight unit from Peter White. I was shocked how much smother it is. This got me thinking about replacing the same Shimano unit on my Gus that only has about 1,600 miles use. One of the IRD higher end units (UN-95?) came up for sale here in the proper spindle width (122.5) that caught my eye. It is a 68mm unit but those conversion cups would take care of that. However I am still confused by the Riv suggestion that you need a bb with the driveside spacer or offset spindle. As in, is it sufficient to get a bb with a 122-123 spindle or does it have to be offset. I am guessing this all has to do with chainline & chainring clearance particularly with wider tires?Sent from my iPhoneOn Feb 22, 2024, at 11:42 PM, R. Alexis wrote:Looking at IRD website the IRD Quad has a 73mm conversion cups and a conversion washer to change the 68 to a 73. Bottom brackets without a shoulder can be mounted to work with both 68 and 73mm bottom brackets. The bottom bracket would fit further in the shell. I did this with a TruVativ Powerspline bottom bracket. Had the shoulder machined off the 68mm driver side to fit further in the 73mm bottom bracket. The person that took it to have it machined didn't know to leave the tool mounting splines. I ended up putting spanner pins in to install. Does the current spindle length work and fit for your use? Do both the arms and chainring clear sufficiently? Are you changing cranks? I know that on my SunTour cranks with 110/74 BCD and 175mm length I think they specify possibly a 125 or 127mm spindle, but 122.5mm spindles have fit fine on my bikes. Only bike using 127mm is the Schwinn High Plains Aluminum. Thanks,Reginald AlexisOn Thursday, February 22, 2024 at 3:20:18 PM UTC-6 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:Well, now I feel stupid. I did not scroll enough. Riv does indeed sell 73mm bottom brackets & one of them has the 2.5 drive side spacer. I presume that one is offered for the Gus/Susie frames. I still don’t see how one of the IRD bb could work at only 68mm.Sent from my iPhoneOn Feb 22, 2024, at 3:12 PM, Garth wrote:I see their web catalog explanations are as clear as mud ! Maybe that's why they couldn't convey it to you either. They have 73mm UN55's but no explanations, only this...113, 118
122.5 x 73, 48.8 chainline
123, B23X, Right +2.5mmsigh . This can't work for the Silver crank on a Susie ? Well WHY ? simple question ... -:)Just being honest, I tend not to want to deal with people that aren't able to give clear answers to my direct questions, or don't have the wits to ask me to clarify the questions, to be more specific to get a more specific answer. "Explain so a child can understand it" never seems to fail. "Why ?" can never be asked enough as far as I'm concerned. So to all those inquisitives asking repeatedly WHY ?.I tip my hat to you in gratitude Y-Not ! I can't give you a specific answer about your crank/bb as much as I may wish to as I'm not a mind reader seeing things as they do. I have a stock of various length cartridges on hand and a bag of various spacers and I play around with the combo that suits where I want the crank to be in relation to the frame. Why ? :-) Because someone can "recommend" a certain setup and it be perfect from their perspective. That may or may not apply to anyone else though. It's no different that a mfr. spec'ing a certain spindle or chainline. It's proper from their perspective setting up, but doesn't apply to all the various possibilities otherwise. It is what it is let it go and do what you gotta do.. always with a smile . On Thursday, February 22, 2024 at 1:14:10 PM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:I asked about this when I bought my Gus and got no conclusive answers. I really did not get a conclusive answer from Riv either. When I ordered a bunch of components from Riv for my Gus build the answer I got about what BB to get went something like " we will look into

Re: [RBW] Re: Gus /Susie bottom bracket -which one?

2024-02-23 Thread Kim H.

@Richard -

Do you know of the model serial number of the Stronglight BB that you 
bought from Peter White Cycles for your Clem ? ... providing that you have 
not changed up your stock SILVER double 34/24T rings and spindle length.

>From the information that you have shared, I am concerned about my BB on my 
Clem not being buttery smooth from the stock Shimano BB and having perhaps 
a lot of drag.

Thank-you.
Kim Hetzel. 



On Friday, February 23, 2024 at 7:09:08 AM UTC-8 Richard Rose wrote:

> Thanks Regi. The BB I have on the Gus does work fine. I recently replaced 
> the Shimano BB on my Clem (it felt very stiff) after 7,000 miles of service 
> with a Stronglight unit from Peter White. I was shocked how much smother it 
> is. This got me thinking about replacing the same Shimano unit on my Gus 
> that only has about 1,600 miles use. One of the IRD higher end units 
> (UN-95?) came up for sale here in the proper spindle width (122.5) that 
> caught my eye. It is a 68mm unit but those conversion cups would take care 
> of that. However I am still confused by the Riv suggestion that you need a 
> bb with the driveside spacer or offset spindle. As in, is it sufficient to 
> get a bb with a 122-123 spindle or does it have to be offset. I am guessing 
> this all has to do with chainline & chainring clearance particularly with 
> wider tires?
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 22, 2024, at 11:42 PM, R. Alexis  wrote:
>
> Looking at IRD website the IRD Quad has a 73mm conversion cups and a 
> conversion washer to change the 68 to a 73. Bottom brackets without a 
> shoulder can be mounted to work with both 68 and 73mm bottom brackets. The 
> bottom bracket would fit further in the shell. I did this with a TruVativ  
> Powerspline bottom bracket. Had the shoulder machined off the 68mm driver 
> side to fit further in the 73mm bottom bracket. The person that took it to 
> have it machined didn't know to leave the tool mounting splines. I ended up 
> putting spanner pins in to install. 
>
>
> Does the current spindle length work and fit for your use? Do both the 
> arms and chainring clear sufficiently? Are you changing cranks? 
>
> I know that on my SunTour cranks with 110/74 BCD and 175mm length I think 
> they specify possibly a 125 or 127mm spindle, but 122.5mm spindles have fit 
> fine on my bikes. Only bike using 127mm is the Schwinn High Plains 
> Aluminum. 
>
> Thanks,
>
> Reginald Alexis
>
> On Thursday, February 22, 2024 at 3:20:18 PM UTC-6 rmro...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Well, now I feel stupid. I did not scroll enough. Riv does indeed sell 
>> 73mm bottom brackets & one of them has the 2.5 drive side spacer. I presume 
>> that one is offered for the Gus/Susie frames. I still don’t see how one of 
>> the IRD bb could work at only 68mm.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Feb 22, 2024, at 3:12 PM, Garth  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> I see their web catalog explanations are as clear as mud ! Maybe that's 
>> why they couldn't convey it to you either. They have 73mm UN55's but no 
>> explanations, only this...
>>
>> 113, 118
>>
>> 122.5 x 73, 48.8 chainline
>>
>> 123, B23X, Right +2.5mm
>> sigh . 
>>
>> This can't work for the Silver crank on a Susie ? 
>> Well WHY ?  simple question ... -:)
>>
>> Just being honest, I tend not to want to deal with people that aren't 
>> able to give clear answers to my direct questions, or don't have the wits 
>> to ask me to clarify the questions, to be more specific to get a more 
>> specific answer. "Explain so a child can understand it" never seems to 
>> fail. "Why ?" can never be asked enough as far as I'm concerned. So to all 
>> those inquisitives asking repeatedly WHY ?.I tip my hat to you in 
>> gratitude Y-Not ! 
>>
>> I can't give you a specific answer about your crank/bb as much as I may 
>> wish to as I'm not a mind reader seeing things as they do. I have a stock 
>> of various length cartridges on hand and a bag of various spacers and I 
>> play around with the combo that suits where I want the crank to be in 
>> relation to the frame. Why ? :-) Because someone can "recommend" a certain 
>> setup and it be perfect from their perspective. That may or may not apply 
>> to anyone else though. It's no different that a mfr. spec'ing a certain 
>> spindle or chainline. It's proper from their perspective setting up, but 
>> doesn't apply to all the various possibilities otherwise. It is what it 
>> is let it go and do what you gotta do.. always with a smile . 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, February 22, 2024 at 1:14:10 PM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I asked about this when I bought my Gus and got no conclusive answers. I 
>>> really did not get a conclusive answer from Riv either. When I ordered a 
>>> bunch of components from Riv for my Gus build the answer I got about what 
>>> BB to get went something like " we will look into it and send you the right 
>>> one". The one I got does work but the box it came in does not give me the 
>>>

Re: [RBW] Re: Gus /Susie bottom bracket -which one?

2024-02-23 Thread Richard Rose

Thanks Regi. The BB I have on the Gus does work fine. I recently replaced the Shimano BB on my Clem (it felt very stiff) after 7,000 miles of service with a Stronglight unit from Peter White. I was shocked how much smother it is. This got me thinking about replacing the same Shimano unit on my Gus that only has about 1,600 miles use. One of the IRD higher end units (UN-95?) came up for sale here in the proper spindle width (122.5) that caught my eye. It is a 68mm unit but those conversion cups would take care of that. However I am still confused by the Riv suggestion that you need a bb with the driveside spacer or offset spindle. As in, is it sufficient to get a bb with a 122-123 spindle or does it have to be offset. I am guessing this all has to do with chainline & chainring clearance particularly with wider tires?Sent from my iPhoneOn Feb 22, 2024, at 11:42 PM, R. Alexis wrote:Looking at IRD website the IRD Quad has a 73mm conversion cups and a conversion washer to change the 68 to a 73. Bottom brackets without a shoulder can be mounted to work with both 68 and 73mm bottom brackets. The bottom bracket would fit further in the shell. I did this with a TruVativ Powerspline bottom bracket. Had the shoulder machined off the 68mm driver side to fit further in the 73mm bottom bracket. The person that took it to have it machined didn't know to leave the tool mounting splines. I ended up putting spanner pins in to install. Does the current spindle length work and fit for your use? Do both the arms and chainring clear sufficiently? Are you changing cranks? I know that on my SunTour cranks with 110/74 BCD and 175mm length I think they specify possibly a 125 or 127mm spindle, but 122.5mm spindles have fit fine on my bikes. Only bike using 127mm is the Schwinn High Plains Aluminum. Thanks,Reginald AlexisOn Thursday, February 22, 2024 at 3:20:18 PM UTC-6 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:Well, now I feel stupid. I did not scroll enough. Riv does indeed sell 73mm bottom brackets & one of them has the 2.5 drive side spacer. I presume that one is offered for the Gus/Susie frames. I still don’t see how one of the IRD bb could work at only 68mm.Sent from my iPhoneOn Feb 22, 2024, at 3:12 PM, Garth wrote:I see their web catalog explanations are as clear as mud ! Maybe that's why they couldn't convey it to you either. They have 73mm UN55's but no explanations, only this...113, 118
122.5 x 73, 48.8 chainline
123, B23X, Right +2.5mmsigh . This can't work for the Silver crank on a Susie ? Well WHY ? simple question ... -:)Just being honest, I tend not to want to deal with people that aren't able to give clear answers to my direct questions, or don't have the wits to ask me to clarify the questions, to be more specific to get a more specific answer. "Explain so a child can understand it" never seems to fail. "Why ?" can never be asked enough as far as I'm concerned. So to all those inquisitives asking repeatedly WHY ?.I tip my hat to you in gratitude Y-Not ! I can't give you a specific answer about your crank/bb as much as I may wish to as I'm not a mind reader seeing things as they do. I have a stock of various length cartridges on hand and a bag of various spacers and I play around with the combo that suits where I want the crank to be in relation to the frame. Why ? :-) Because someone can "recommend" a certain setup and it be perfect from their perspective. That may or may not apply to anyone else though. It's no different that a mfr. spec'ing a certain spindle or chainline. It's proper from their perspective setting up, but doesn't apply to all the various possibilities otherwise. It is what it is let it go and do what you gotta do.. always with a smile . On Thursday, February 22, 2024 at 1:14:10 PM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:I asked about this when I bought my Gus and got no conclusive answers. I really did not get a conclusive answer from Riv either. When I ordered a bunch of components from Riv for my Gus build the answer I got about what BB to get went something like " we will look into it and send you the right one". The one I got does work but the box it came in does not give me the information I seek.Here are my questions. Gus and Susie have 73 shells. Riv does not list 73 bb's for sale. And they suggest which 68mm IRD one to get for your Gus/Susie - 123 width with right side spacer(?). Am I to conclude that 68mm bottom brackets work on a 73mm shell? An Tange bb has become available that is a 68mm with a 122.5 spindle. Will it work on my Gus. What about the drive side spacer?Please excuse my ignorance. I would like to upgrade my bottom bracket and really have no idea what will fit best. I gather a lot of different spindle lengths will work but not ideally?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Gus /Susie bottom bracket -which one?

2024-02-22 Thread R. Alexis

Looking at IRD website the IRD Quad has a 73mm conversion cups and a 
conversion washer to change the 68 to a 73. Bottom brackets without a 
shoulder can be mounted to work with both 68 and 73mm bottom brackets. The 
bottom bracket would fit further in the shell. I did this with a TruVativ  
Powerspline bottom bracket. Had the shoulder machined off the 68mm driver 
side to fit further in the 73mm bottom bracket. The person that took it to 
have it machined didn't know to leave the tool mounting splines. I ended up 
putting spanner pins in to install. 

Does the current spindle length work and fit for your use? Do both the arms 
and chainring clear sufficiently? Are you changing cranks? 

I know that on my SunTour cranks with 110/74 BCD and 175mm length I think 
they specify possibly a 125 or 127mm spindle, but 122.5mm spindles have fit 
fine on my bikes. Only bike using 127mm is the Schwinn High Plains 
Aluminum. 

Thanks,

Reginald Alexis

On Thursday, February 22, 2024 at 3:20:18 PM UTC-6 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Well, now I feel stupid. I did not scroll enough. Riv does indeed sell 
> 73mm bottom brackets & one of them has the 2.5 drive side spacer. I presume 
> that one is offered for the Gus/Susie frames. I still don’t see how one of 
> the IRD bb could work at only 68mm.
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 22, 2024, at 3:12 PM, Garth  wrote:
>
> 
>
> I see their web catalog explanations are as clear as mud ! Maybe that's 
> why they couldn't convey it to you either. They have 73mm UN55's but no 
> explanations, only this...
>
> 113, 118
>
> 122.5 x 73, 48.8 chainline
>
> 123, B23X, Right +2.5mm
> sigh . 
>
> This can't work for the Silver crank on a Susie ? 
> Well WHY ?  simple question ... -:)
>
> Just being honest, I tend not to want to deal with people that aren't able 
> to give clear answers to my direct questions, or don't have the wits to ask 
> me to clarify the questions, to be more specific to get a more specific 
> answer. "Explain so a child can understand it" never seems to fail. "Why ?" 
> can never be asked enough as far as I'm concerned. So to all those 
> inquisitives asking repeatedly WHY ?.I tip my hat to you in 
> gratitude Y-Not ! 
>
> I can't give you a specific answer about your crank/bb as much as I may 
> wish to as I'm not a mind reader seeing things as they do. I have a stock 
> of various length cartridges on hand and a bag of various spacers and I 
> play around with the combo that suits where I want the crank to be in 
> relation to the frame. Why ? :-) Because someone can "recommend" a certain 
> setup and it be perfect from their perspective. That may or may not apply 
> to anyone else though. It's no different that a mfr. spec'ing a certain 
> spindle or chainline. It's proper from their perspective setting up, but 
> doesn't apply to all the various possibilities otherwise. It is what it 
> is let it go and do what you gotta do.. always with a smile . 
>
>
>
> On Thursday, February 22, 2024 at 1:14:10 PM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I asked about this when I bought my Gus and got no conclusive answers. I 
>> really did not get a conclusive answer from Riv either. When I ordered a 
>> bunch of components from Riv for my Gus build the answer I got about what 
>> BB to get went something like " we will look into it and send you the right 
>> one". The one I got does work but the box it came in does not give me the 
>> information I seek.
>> Here are my questions. Gus and Susie have 73 shells. Riv does not list 73 
>> bb's for sale. And they suggest which 68mm IRD one to get for your 
>> Gus/Susie - 123 width with right side spacer(?). Am I to conclude that 68mm 
>> bottom brackets work on a 73mm shell? An Tange bb has become available that 
>> is a 68mm with a 122.5 spindle. Will it work on my Gus. What about the 
>> drive side spacer?
>> Please excuse my ignorance. I would like to upgrade my bottom bracket and 
>> really have no idea what will fit best. I gather a lot of different spindle 
>> lengths will work but not ideally?
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Gus /Susie bottom bracket -which one?

2024-02-22 Thread Richard Rose

Well, now I feel stupid. I did not scroll enough. Riv does indeed sell 73mm bottom brackets & one of them has the 2.5 drive side spacer. I presume that one is offered for the Gus/Susie frames. I still don’t see how one of the IRD bb could work at only 68mm.Sent from my iPhoneOn Feb 22, 2024, at 3:12 PM, Garth wrote:I see their web catalog explanations are as clear as mud ! Maybe that's why they couldn't convey it to you either. They have 73mm UN55's but no explanations, only this...113, 118
122.5 x 73, 48.8 chainline
123, B23X, Right +2.5mmsigh . This can't work for the Silver crank on a Susie ? Well WHY ? simple question ... -:)Just being honest, I tend not to want to deal with people that aren't able to give clear answers to my direct questions, or don't have the wits to ask me to clarify the questions, to be more specific to get a more specific answer. "Explain so a child can understand it" never seems to fail. "Why ?" can never be asked enough as far as I'm concerned. So to all those inquisitives asking repeatedly WHY ?.I tip my hat to you in gratitude Y-Not ! I can't give you a specific answer about your crank/bb as much as I may wish to as I'm not a mind reader seeing things as they do. I have a stock of various length cartridges on hand and a bag of various spacers and I play around with the combo that suits where I want the crank to be in relation to the frame. Why ? :-) Because someone can "recommend" a certain setup and it be perfect from their perspective. That may or may not apply to anyone else though. It's no different that a mfr. spec'ing a certain spindle or chainline. It's proper from their perspective setting up, but doesn't apply to all the various possibilities otherwise. It is what it is let it go and do what you gotta do.. always with a smile . On Thursday, February 22, 2024 at 1:14:10 PM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:I asked about this when I bought my Gus and got no conclusive answers. I really did not get a conclusive answer from Riv either. When I ordered a bunch of components from Riv for my Gus build the answer I got about what BB to get went something like " we will look into it and send you the right one". The one I got does work but the box it came in does not give me the information I seek.Here are my questions. Gus and Susie have 73 shells. Riv does not list 73 bb's for sale. And they suggest which 68mm IRD one to get for your Gus/Susie - 123 width with right side spacer(?). Am I to conclude that 68mm bottom brackets work on a 73mm shell? An Tange bb has become available that is a 68mm with a 122.5 spindle. Will it work on my Gus. What about the drive side spacer?Please excuse my ignorance. I would like to upgrade my bottom bracket and really have no idea what will fit best. I gather a lot of different spindle lengths will work but not ideally?

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[RBW] Re: Gus /Susie bottom bracket -which one?

2024-02-22 Thread Garth

I see their web catalog explanations are as clear as mud ! Maybe that's why 
they couldn't convey it to you either. They have 73mm UN55's but no 
explanations, only this...

113, 118

122.5 x 73, 48.8 chainline

123, B23X, Right +2.5mm
sigh . 

This can't work for the Silver crank on a Susie ? 
Well WHY ?  simple question ... -:)

Just being honest, I tend not to want to deal with people that aren't able 
to give clear answers to my direct questions, or don't have the wits to ask 
me to clarify the questions, to be more specific to get a more specific 
answer. "Explain so a child can understand it" never seems to fail. "Why ?" 
can never be asked enough as far as I'm concerned. So to all those 
inquisitives asking repeatedly WHY ?.I tip my hat to you in 
gratitude Y-Not ! 

I can't give you a specific answer about your crank/bb as much as I may 
wish to as I'm not a mind reader seeing things as they do. I have a stock 
of various length cartridges on hand and a bag of various spacers and I 
play around with the combo that suits where I want the crank to be in 
relation to the frame. Why ? :-) Because someone can "recommend" a certain 
setup and it be perfect from their perspective. That may or may not apply 
to anyone else though. It's no different that a mfr. spec'ing a certain 
spindle or chainline. It's proper from their perspective setting up, but 
doesn't apply to all the various possibilities otherwise. It is what it 
is let it go and do what you gotta do.. always with a smile . 

On Thursday, February 22, 2024 at 1:14:10 PM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> I asked about this when I bought my Gus and got no conclusive answers. I 
> really did not get a conclusive answer from Riv either. When I ordered a 
> bunch of components from Riv for my Gus build the answer I got about what 
> BB to get went something like " we will look into it and send you the right 
> one". The one I got does work but the box it came in does not give me the 
> information I seek.
> Here are my questions. Gus and Susie have 73 shells. Riv does not list 73 
> bb's for sale. And they suggest which 68mm IRD one to get for your 
> Gus/Susie - 123 width with right side spacer(?). Am I to conclude that 68mm 
> bottom brackets work on a 73mm shell? An Tange bb has become available that 
> is a 68mm with a 122.5 spindle. Will it work on my Gus. What about the 
> drive side spacer?
> Please excuse my ignorance. I would like to upgrade my bottom bracket and 
> really have no idea what will fit best. I gather a lot of different spindle 
> lengths will work but not ideally?
>

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