Re: [RBW] Re: Handlebar Bliss

[Bob B]

I've only got two bikes and both have Boscos now (one of them bullmoose)

I've gone about a year like that so far.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Handlebar Bliss

[Tim Gavin]

Clayton-
My experience with upright bars on my Riv was similar.  I tried Moustache
bars, which were great for around town riding but lacked enough comfortable
hand positions for long rides.  I felt the same lack of a drop position
meant I couldn't stretch out and put the power down.

I changed the staches out for Nitto B135 Randonneurs and I'm very happy.  I
use a Technomic stem and put the bar tops a tad above the saddle height
(which works with my moderate flexibility).

I like upright bars on trail- or commuter-oriented bikes, but for long
rides (>15 miles) I prefer drops.

On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 4:49 PM, 'Clayton' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> I went from Noodles to Albastache, back to Noodles, then went to a wide
>> single speed flat bar, then Albatross, back to the flat bar and now on
>> Original WTB dirt drops. I have big issues with my hands and they always go
>> numb (lots of hand surgeries).  My current favorite bar is the WTB. It
>> isn't all that comfortable, but I have less hand numbness than any other,
>> except the wide Sycip single speed bar. The Sycip bar is super comfy, but
>> creates the aerodynamics of a brick wall. The Albastache and Albatross
>> caused the most numbness. My wrists don't like the almost parallel flare.
>>
> The outcome:
>
>> I found I can't climb as well sitting bolt upright. I feel I am not
>> utilizing my glutes or hamstrings as much, which is why I am running the
>> drops. Due to back and hand issues I need to sit bolt upright occasionally
>> which is why I have the bars set high. I usually am down in the drops,
>> which are *just deep enough* to use my glutes and hammies. I set my drop
>> bars where the *drops* are about an inch below the seat. It looks a bit
>> goofy to the aesthetic police, but at least I can ride. Usually.
>> My Atlantis is my only transportation, so dialing in fit is crucial.  (Yes,
>> I've owned a recumbent, but thank you. ;))  Best of luck getting comfy (or
>> fast).
>>
> Clayton (Bendite)
>
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[RBW] Re: Handlebar Bliss

[Broccoli Cog]

Thanks all. I decided to jump in with both feet and will try the Albatross 
bars purchased from a fellow list member. I will report back letting 
everyone know how it goes. 

On Sunday, May 14, 2017 at 5:01:17 PM UTC-4, Broccoli Cog wrote:
>
> Looking for thoughts from those of you who have switched from drop bars to 
> something more upright such as the Mustache or Albatross.Why did you end up 
> switching and what was the outcome? 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Handlebar Bliss

[Daniel Jackson]

One other option. Not mentioned is to just shorten your stem rather than 
raising it. Stems can be found cheap on this list for experimentation. 
Decreasing reach can alleviate neck soreness. 

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[RBW] Re: Handlebar Bliss

[Ron Mc]

Les, my Microshift thumbies on 2x9 wide-compact make for totally mindless 
shifting.  



I saw one Map bar setup that used bar end grips in the middle of that 
bends, and that looked pretty interesting.  

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[RBW] Re: Handlebar Bliss

[Les Lammers]

I have the Ahearne Map bar set up like your. I'm thinking about the IRD 
stem shifter to get more hand position flexibility. Great bars.
On Tuesday, May 16, 2017 at 9:44:43 AM UTC-4, Ron Mc wrote:

> I'll add in here, I've never tried an Alba, but I've never had a bike with 
> a top tube long enough for it.  Most Riv frames would be perfect with 
> Albas.  
> Two that I'm a huge fan of are the original Moustache and Ahearne Map bar 
> - both on shorter-top-tube frames.  
> Moustache was my first, about ten years ago, when I could no longer find a 
> comfortable position over my long GB stem and Maes bars.  
> For both of these bars, good reach measurements and choosing the correct 
> (usually short reach) stem is everything.  
> To get a Moustache in the right place, reach on your stem should be 2 
> inches shorter than what you use on drop bars.  They also don't grab in the 
> intuitive place.   
>
>
> 
>  
> 
> The 3 best positions are finger-stretch from the brakes (only center your 
> hands on the brakes when you're about to use full brake),way outside for 
> added control, and especially on the wide hoods for distance.  
>
>
> 
>  
> 
> I'll add about Map bars - properly set up, they are the most relaxed I've 
> ever had my hands - hooked just in front of the grips is my favorite 
> position, and grabbing the grips for extra control.  
>
> On Monday, May 15, 2017 at 7:55:58 PM UTC-5, Broccoli Cog wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for all of the thoughtful feedback everyone. Tonight I raised the 
>> bars on my current set up to see if that makes a difference. I came up a 
>> full 2 cm's while still remaining below the min insertion line. I am going 
>> to try to ride the bike this way for a while to see If that makes a 
>> difference with my neck pain. If that doesn't work I think the Albastache 
>> would be my first choice.  I think it might be a good compromise between 
>> drop bars and upright. I also think these bars would look awesome on my 
>> Sam! I also think this would be an easier transition with my current 
>> cockpit set up. I could keep the current stem and road brake levers that I 
>> already have.  If I switch to the Albatross I would want a new stem,  new 
>> MTB style brake levers and possibly extra long cables for my tall sized 
>> bike. A little more money then I want to spend on this experiment that I am 
>> currently obsessing about.  
>>
>> On Sunday, May 14, 2017 at 5:01:17 PM UTC-4, Broccoli Cog wrote:
>>>
>>> Looking for thoughts from those of you who have switched from drop bars 
>>> to something more upright such as the Mustache or Albatross.Why did you end 
>>> up switching and what was the outcome? 
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Handlebar Bliss

[Les Lammers]

Before changing bars you may want to consider a dirt drop stem. It will get 
the bars up higher than a 'normal' stem. 

On Monday, May 15, 2017 at 7:09:14 AM UTC-4, Broccoli Cog wrote:

> Thanks for the feedback. I have Noodles on my Sam set slightly above 
> saddle height. I can't say enough about how great these bars are. Perfectly 
> comfortable drop bars in every way. So what's the problem right?? I am one 
> who always has dealt with some degree of neck pain from keeping my head up 
> in a position where I can see the road. Granted the quill stem has really 
> helped this situation but I am still finding that I am having pain on rides 
> at 2 hours long or longer. I am thinking about the Albastache because I 
> won't have to make other cockpit changes with a new stem and brake levers. 
> I fear I will be getting into a slippery slope but I would do anything to 
> ride longer distances relatively pain free. The next thing I will try is 
> raising the bars up even a little more to see if that changes anything. The 
> next step may be to try the Albastache bars but I am reluctant to give up 
> my Noodles which I love. 
>
> On Sunday, May 14, 2017 at 5:01:17 PM UTC-4, Broccoli Cog wrote:
>>
>> Looking for thoughts from those of you who have switched from drop bars 
>> to something more upright such as the Mustache or Albatross.Why did you end 
>> up switching and what was the outcome? 
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Handlebar Bliss

['Clayton' via RBW Owners Bunch]

>
> I went from Noodles to Albastache, back to Noodles, then went to a wide 
> single speed flat bar, then Albatross, back to the flat bar and now on 
> Original WTB dirt drops. I have big issues with my hands and they always go 
> numb (lots of hand surgeries).  My current favorite bar is the WTB. It 
> isn't all that comfortable, but I have less hand numbness than any other, 
> except the wide Sycip single speed bar. The Sycip bar is super comfy, but 
> creates the aerodynamics of a brick wall. The Albastache and Albatross 
> caused the most numbness. My wrists don't like the almost parallel flare. 
>
The outcome: 

> I found I can't climb as well sitting bolt upright. I feel I am not 
> utilizing my glutes or hamstrings as much, which is why I am running the 
> drops. Due to back and hand issues I need to sit bolt upright occasionally 
> which is why I have the bars set high. I usually am down in the drops, 
> which are *just deep enough* to use my glutes and hammies. I set my drop 
> bars where the *drops* are about an inch below the seat. It looks a bit 
> goofy to the aesthetic police, but at least I can ride. Usually. 
> My Atlantis is my only transportation, so dialing in fit is crucial.  (Yes, 
> I've owned a recumbent, but thank you. ;))  Best of luck getting comfy (or 
> fast).  
>
Clayton (Bendite) 
 

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[RBW] Re: Handlebar Bliss

[Austin ^]

I really dig albastache like many here, I just wish I could put my 
"regular" sized components on them as opposed to road bar sized stuff.

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[RBW] Re: Handlebar Bliss

[Ron Mc]

I'll add in here, I've never tried an Alba, but I've never had a bike with 
a top tube long enough for it.  Most Riv frames would be perfect with 
Albas.  
Two that I'm a huge fan of are the original Moustache and Ahearne Map bar - 
both on shorter-top-tube frames.  
Moustache was my first, about ten years ago, when I could no longer find a 
comfortable position over my long GB stem and Maes bars.  
For both of these bars, good reach measurements and choosing the correct 
(usually short reach) stem is everything.  
To get a Moustache in the right place, reach on your stem should be 2 
inches shorter than what you use on drop bars.  They also don't grab in the 
intuitive place.   


 

The 3 best positions are finger-stretch from the brakes (only center your 
hands on the brakes when you're about to use full brake),way outside for 
added control, and especially on the wide hoods for distance.  


 

I'll add about Map bars - properly set up, they are the most relaxed I've 
ever had my hands - hooked just in front of the grips is my favorite 
position, and grabbing the grips for extra control.  

On Monday, May 15, 2017 at 7:55:58 PM UTC-5, Broccoli Cog wrote:
>
> Thanks for all of the thoughtful feedback everyone. Tonight I raised the 
> bars on my current set up to see if that makes a difference. I came up a 
> full 2 cm's while still remaining below the min insertion line. I am going 
> to try to ride the bike this way for a while to see If that makes a 
> difference with my neck pain. If that doesn't work I think the Albastache 
> would be my first choice.  I think it might be a good compromise between 
> drop bars and upright. I also think these bars would look awesome on my 
> Sam! I also think this would be an easier transition with my current 
> cockpit set up. I could keep the current stem and road brake levers that I 
> already have.  If I switch to the Albatross I would want a new stem,  new 
> MTB style brake levers and possibly extra long cables for my tall sized 
> bike. A little more money then I want to spend on this experiment that I am 
> currently obsessing about.  
>
> On Sunday, May 14, 2017 at 5:01:17 PM UTC-4, Broccoli Cog wrote:
>>
>> Looking for thoughts from those of you who have switched from drop bars 
>> to something more upright such as the Mustache or Albatross.Why did you end 
>> up switching and what was the outcome? 
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Handlebar Bliss

[Broccoli Cog]

Thanks for all of the thoughtful feedback everyone. Tonight I raised the 
bars on my current set up to see if that makes a difference. I came up a 
full 2 cm's while still remaining below the min insertion line. I am going 
to try to ride the bike this way for a while to see If that makes a 
difference with my neck pain. If that doesn't work I think the Albastache 
would be my first choice.  I think it might be a good compromise between 
drop bars and upright. I also think these bars would look awesome on my 
Sam! I also think this would be an easier transition with my current 
cockpit set up. I could keep the current stem and road brake levers that I 
already have.  If I switch to the Albatross I would want a new stem,  new 
MTB style brake levers and possibly extra long cables for my tall sized 
bike. A little more money then I want to spend on this experiment that I am 
currently obsessing about.  

On Sunday, May 14, 2017 at 5:01:17 PM UTC-4, Broccoli Cog wrote:
>
> Looking for thoughts from those of you who have switched from drop bars to 
> something more upright such as the Mustache or Albatross.Why did you end up 
> switching and what was the outcome? 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Handlebar Bliss

[Jeremy Tavan]

I didn't specifically _swap_ from drop bars to Albastaches, but when I put 
together my commute bike I decided I wanted to try Albastache bars and have 
found a combination that seems to work really well for me. Albastache bars, 
Dia Compe stoker hand supports out front, a thumb shifter, and reverse 
brake levers. I love how wide the upright position is, I love still being 
able to brake (with the little fingers) from my preferred cruise position 
right at the start of the curves, and there's also the extra-stretched-out 
position on the forward hand supports for mixing things up. The only thing 
that's not really working well is the thumbie-mounted Silver friction 
shifter (cut down lever with rubber grip). It's not holding tension 
properly and has to be snugged tight at least once per ride, sometimes 
more. But that's a subject for another thread. I did notice that with the 
Albastache, it was really important to get the stem up higher than the 
saddle to avoid feeling like I was going to go over the handlebars during 
stops. Now that I've done that, I think this setup is a keeper.

/Jeremy



On Monday, May 15, 2017 at 9:54:35 AM UTC-7, David Banzer wrote:
>
> I'm in the process of swapping Nitto B132s on my BMC Monstercross for 
> Albastaches. The drops worked fine on the bike, but more muddier rides I 
> think I'll enjoy the wider, slightly more upright bar.
> I've tried original mustaches before and they didn't work for me on longer 
> rides, but the Albastaches are looking like they might work just fine.
> David
>
>
> On Sunday, May 14, 2017 at 4:01:17 PM UTC-5, Broccoli Cog wrote:
>>
>> Looking for thoughts from those of you who have switched from drop bars 
>> to something more upright such as the Mustache or Albatross.Why did you end 
>> up switching and what was the outcome? 
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Handlebar Bliss

[David Banzer]

I'm in the process of swapping Nitto B132s on my BMC Monstercross for 
Albastaches. The drops worked fine on the bike, but more muddier rides I 
think I'll enjoy the wider, slightly more upright bar.
I've tried original mustaches before and they didn't work for me on longer 
rides, but the Albastaches are looking like they might work just fine.
David


On Sunday, May 14, 2017 at 4:01:17 PM UTC-5, Broccoli Cog wrote:
>
> Looking for thoughts from those of you who have switched from drop bars to 
> something more upright such as the Mustache or Albatross.Why did you end up 
> switching and what was the outcome? 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Handlebar Bliss

[Marc Irwin]

I had a Hunqapillar with drop bar, rode it for a year and just had to have 
a lighter faster version with the same geometry.  The Bosco bars were being 
delivered at the same time my HIllborne frame was coming so I had those 
added.  After a year of riding the HIllborne with Bosco bars and the Hunq 
with drop bars, I switched the Hunq to Boscos also.  Now I can hardly look 
at my road bike drop bars.  

On Sunday, May 14, 2017 at 5:01:17 PM UTC-4, Broccoli Cog wrote:
>
> Looking for thoughts from those of you who have switched from drop bars to 
> something more upright such as the Mustache or Albatross.Why did you end up 
> switching and what was the outcome? 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Handlebar Bliss

[Orc]

On Monday, May 15, 2017 at 4:09:14 AM UTC-7, Broccoli Cog wrote:
>
> Thanks for the feedback. I have Noodles on my Sam set slightly above 
> saddle height. I can't say enough about how great these bars are. Perfectly 
> comfortable drop bars in every way. 
>

What's particularly good about them that something like a set of 
Lauterwasser bars wouldn't cover?   If you don't need a pop-up position, 
want the two hand angles you'd get with drops, and don't want the 
longitudinal hand positions to be pulled way back, that /might/ be a good 
way to go.(I've found that the Lauterwasser bars gave me about 80% of 
it;  not having a pop-up position for navigating traffic and not being able 
to get them nearly as low as I like wrote them off, but they're still 
kicking around my bike mess because hope springs eternal.)

-david parsons


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[RBW] Re: Handlebar Bliss

[Deacon Patrick]

I love my New Moustache. Moustache 2.0. Albastache. Call 'um whatcha want, 
they are delightful to ride. Both my steeds sport them, and they are 
equally at home on open road for a long day in the saddle and on technical 
singletrack and a long day out of the saddle (standing on the pedals). They 
have a wondrous subtlety of confident control on the technical single track 
that is delicious. On non-technical terrain (trail, dirt, paved) they 
simply flow, going invisible with the rest of the bike. Took me a while to 
dial them in, preferring a higher, shorter stem (I'm pretty slow and 
dim-witted and methotical about dialing in, so it takes me years rather 
than days. But once I get there I'm there.).

On Sunday, May 14, 2017 at 3:01:17 PM UTC-6, Broccoli Cog wrote:
>
> Looking for thoughts from those of you who have switched from drop bars to 
> something more upright such as the Mustache or Albatross.Why did you end up 
> switching and what was the outcome? 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Handlebar Bliss

[Broccoli Cog]

Thanks for the feedback. I have Noodles on my Sam set slightly above saddle 
height. I can't say enough about how great these bars are. Perfectly 
comfortable drop bars in every way. So what's the problem right?? I am one 
who always has dealt with some degree of neck pain from keeping my head up 
in a position where I can see the road. Granted the quill stem has really 
helped this situation but I am still finding that I am having pain on rides 
at 2 hours long or longer. I am thinking about the Albastache because I 
won't have to make other cockpit changes with a new stem and brake levers. 
I fear I will be getting into a slippery slope but I would do anything to 
ride longer distances relatively pain free. The next thing I will try is 
raising the bars up even a little more to see if that changes anything. The 
next step may be to try the Albastache bars but I am reluctant to give up 
my Noodles which I love. 

On Sunday, May 14, 2017 at 5:01:17 PM UTC-4, Broccoli Cog wrote:
>
> Looking for thoughts from those of you who have switched from drop bars to 
> something more upright such as the Mustache or Albatross.Why did you end up 
> switching and what was the outcome? 
>
>

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