Re: [RBW] Re: Helmets (again)

[Eric Floden]

Agreed on flashing lights. I only ever use them at low setting, on low
light DAY rides. Example, riding under trees on cloudy day.

But at all but lowest setting they can be blinding and disorienting.

EricF
Not riding yet this day due to rains
Golden Lake Ont

On Sun, Sep 22, 2019, 09:16 John A. Bennett  wrote:

> If you wear a helmet, please do your fellow cyclists a favor and *don't *mount
> one of those blinding flashing strobe lights to the front of it.
>
> They don't help you see, and they disorient the rest of us.
>
> In fact, please don't mount blinding strobe lights to your bicycle,
> either.
>
> John in Portland, Ore.
>
> On Wednesday, September 18, 2019 at 7:18:20 AM UTC-7, SeanMac wrote:
>>
>> I certainly do not want to start (another) helmet war, however I recently
>> stumbled on an interesting article in the Washington Post about helmets and
>> cycling injuries
>>
>> Only 22 percent of bicyclists in severe accidents were wearing helmets.
>> 
>>
>> The story is rather short, but this is the key line to me:
>>
>> "Bicyclists who were wearing helmets when accidents occurred generally
>> had less severe injuries, spent less time hospitalized, including shorter
>> stays in intensive care, and were less likely to have died as a result of
>> the accident, according to researchers’ analysis of the data
>> ,
>> published in the journal Brain Injury."
>>
>> Sean
>> Buffalo, NY
>>
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[RBW] Re: Helmets (again)

[John A. Bennett]

If you wear a helmet, please do your fellow cyclists a favor and *don't *mount 
one of those blinding flashing strobe lights to the front of it. 

They don't help you see, and they disorient the rest of us. 

In fact, please don't mount blinding strobe lights to your bicycle, either. 

John in Portland, Ore. 

On Wednesday, September 18, 2019 at 7:18:20 AM UTC-7, SeanMac wrote:
>
> I certainly do not want to start (another) helmet war, however I recently 
> stumbled on an interesting article in the Washington Post about helmets and 
> cycling injuries
>
> Only 22 percent of bicyclists in severe accidents were wearing helmets. 
> 
>
> The story is rather short, but this is the key line to me:
>
> "Bicyclists who were wearing helmets when accidents occurred generally had 
> less severe injuries, spent less time hospitalized, including shorter stays 
> in intensive care, and were less likely to have died as a result of the 
> accident, according to researchers’ analysis of the data 
> , 
> published in the journal Brain Injury."
>
> Sean
> Buffalo, NY
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Helmets (again)

[Philip Williamson]

Thanks for the reminder to sticker up my helmet! 
Weirdly, I sticker my workstand, and I used to have a bike that was covered 
in stickers, and I covered my old Bell in manga comics and pennies, but I 
haven't been stickering my current helmets. And I have a bunch of stickers!

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA and etsy

On Saturday, September 21, 2019 at 11:17:01 AM UTC-7, ericf3 wrote:
>
> I agree and would add these
>
> 1 great place for small lights to hopefully allow motorists an extra way 
> to see me. Especially with fall coming
>
> 2 I do most errands by bike and am happy to have merchants know some of 
> their trade pedals
>
> 3 (blush) I love stickers so my helmet is a tableau of sorts
>
> EricF
> On a ride in Golden Lake Ont
>
> On Sat, Sep 21, 2019, 14:02 Joe Bernard > 
> wrote:
>
>> My only opinion on helmets - I don't care if others do or do not wear 
>> them - is I very rarely ride without one. It's a habit my brain has settled 
>> on, I honestly feel kind of strange if I start pedaling without that thing 
>> on my head. I've decided I *should* wear it. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Helmets (again)

[Eric Floden]

I agree and would add these

1 great place for small lights to hopefully allow motorists an extra way to
see me. Especially with fall coming

2 I do most errands by bike and am happy to have merchants know some of
their trade pedals

3 (blush) I love stickers so my helmet is a tableau of sorts

EricF
On a ride in Golden Lake Ont

On Sat, Sep 21, 2019, 14:02 Joe Bernard  wrote:

> My only opinion on helmets - I don't care if others do or do not wear them
> - is I very rarely ride without one. It's a habit my brain has settled on,
> I honestly feel kind of strange if I start pedaling without that thing on
> my head. I've decided I *should* wear it.
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[RBW] Re: Helmets (again)

[Joe Bernard]

My only opinion on helmets - I don't care if others do or do not wear them - is 
I very rarely ride without one. It's a habit my brain has settled on, I 
honestly feel kind of strange if I start pedaling without that thing on my 
head. I've decided I *should* wear it. 

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[RBW] Re: Helmets (again)

[Mark Roland]

*Julian "also has grippies on the bottom of the bathtub" Westerhout*

I believe statistics show that railings are much more effective at 
preventing bathtime injuries. 

I don't personally know any anti-helmet advocates, though I'm sure they 
must exist. I think most folks who sometimes or never wear a helmet would 
just like to be able to make that choice without getting lectures from 
various quarters.

>
> Bloomington, IL 
>
> On Thursday, September 19, 2019 at 7:39:32 PM UTC-5, Mark Roland wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for your story of your evolution. Makes sense. But why be "pro 
>> helmet?" Why not just choose to wear one, whether for yourself or as an 
>> example?
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 18, 2019 at 5:07:21 PM UTC-4, Coal Bee Rye Anne 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> ...Between the good fit plus extra light for night time riding, and 
>>> wanting to lead by example for my son who we also make wear a helmet at 2 
>>> years I've become pro-helmet, even if somewhat begrudgingly. 
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Helmets (again)

[Julian Westerhout]

In 1978 I had a head injury (along with a number of other not-very-fun 
injuries) when I was ht by a car while cycling. No helmet -- very few wore 
them back then -- I think the original Bell Biker and leather hair nets 
were just about the only options. 

Since then I just about always wear a helmet -- although as a sweaty guy 
anything on my head adds to the sweat, esp. in the summer, but many modern 
helmets are really well vented and light. I currently use a Specialized 
Prevail II. 

I get tired of the vehemence of both the pro and anti side of this debate 
-- along with other topics (I'm really tired of folks who try to convert me 
to carbon, etc. with fervor). I adopt a sort of "just ride" philosophy. I 
do share my experience and opinion if asked, but don't get evangelical.

Arguing at length with folks who are not listening is at best a thankless 
endeavor, made all the more so on the internet. 

Julian "also has grippies on the bottom of the bathtub" Westerhout
Bloomington, IL 

On Thursday, September 19, 2019 at 7:39:32 PM UTC-5, Mark Roland wrote:
>
> Thanks for your story of your evolution. Makes sense. But why be "pro 
> helmet?" Why not just choose to wear one, whether for yourself or as an 
> example?
>
> On Wednesday, September 18, 2019 at 5:07:21 PM UTC-4, Coal Bee Rye Anne 
> wrote:
>>
>> ...Between the good fit plus extra light for night time riding, and 
>> wanting to lead by example for my son who we also make wear a helmet at 2 
>> years I've become pro-helmet, even if somewhat begrudgingly. 
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Helmets (again)

[Mark Roland]

That's me being nationalistic, and only includes deaths in the U.S. 
Apologies to the rest of the world.

On Thursday, September 19, 2019 at 8:37:00 PM UTC-4, Mark Roland wrote:
>
> 40,000 people die in their cars every year
>

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[RBW] Re: Helmets (again)

[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

Good point, No need to adopt such terminology!  I wear one when I wear one and 
don’t when I don’t.

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[RBW] Re: Helmets (again)

[Mark Roland]

Thanks for your story of your evolution. Makes sense. But why be "pro 
helmet?" Why not just choose to wear one, whether for yourself or as an 
example?

On Wednesday, September 18, 2019 at 5:07:21 PM UTC-4, Coal Bee Rye Anne 
wrote:
>
> ...Between the good fit plus extra light for night time riding, and 
> wanting to lead by example for my son who we also make wear a helmet at 2 
> years I've become pro-helmet, even if somewhat begrudgingly. 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Helmets (again)

[Mark Roland]

Better get your say in now. The moderator will be deleting this thread when 
it is spotted.  The last one was a little more nuanced. Here I feel I'm 
being beaten over the head with statistics. 40,000 people die in their cars 
every year, countless others are injured. Will you be giving up your car? 
Not letting your kid learn to drive? Almost 6000 pedestrians were killed by 
cars in 2015. Should all pedestrians wear full body armor? 

Why is it that the greater the percentage of traffic that is by bike in a 
particular place, the less likely it is people will be wearing helmets? 
Since it's not currently a law in most places for adults to wear one, why 
do people feel the need or the right to tell others what to do, or to make 
moral judgements? Just curious.

On Wednesday, September 18, 2019 at 10:18:20 AM UTC-4, SeanMac wrote:
>
> I certainly do not want to start (another) helmet war, however I recently 
> stumbled on an interesting article in the Washington Post about helmets and 
> cycling injuries
>
> Only 22 percent of bicyclists in severe accidents were wearing helmets. 
> 
>
> The story is rather short, but this is the key line to me:
>
> "Bicyclists who were wearing helmets when accidents occurred generally had 
> less severe injuries, spent less time hospitalized, including shorter stays 
> in intensive care, and were less likely to have died as a result of the 
> accident, according to researchers’ analysis of the data 
> , 
> published in the journal Brain Injury."
>
> Sean
> Buffalo, NY
>

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[RBW] Re: Helmets (again)

[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

I've historically been anti-helmet.  Never wore one as a kid/teen (nor were 
required to wear one by law, parental direction, etc I vaguely recall 
at some point a law was passed requiring them for kids but maybe I'd aged 
out by then or something?)  I also acknowledge I was just fortunate to not 
have any close calls or serious injuries riding all those years... aside 
from a few otherwise insignificant trail crashes due to youthful 
indiscretion at the local singletrack (Allaire State Park in NJ... which I 
haven't ridden in years but is more heavily ridden lately than when I grew 
up nearby... at least from what I could tell from the parking lot I 
occasionally pass en route to other destinations during the week.  Makes me 
wonder what the trails are currently like and probably even more trails to 
explore than what I'd remember and hope to get out there again one of these 
days, but I digress.)  Anyway, I eventually succumbed to helmet wearing 
mostly to allow participation in organized rides which generally required 
them back when my wife and I began riding longer distances more frequently 
and using these events to explore new areas.  There was a point a few years 
ago I simply got burned out with all the travel/prep just to get to a ride 
on weekends and essentially began a self imposed moratorium on distant 
organized events (there are still a few local ones I've since enjoyed... 
one in particular I provide volunteer support annually... a 6 mile full 
moon night ride in our current local trail network/park which I get to ride 
to/from the event in addition to multiple loops throughout the night to 
lead groups of riders and provide emergency support.)  This same local 
multiuse trail network has essentially become of 80-90% of my mileage with 
rides beginning and ending at my door.  I'd flip flopped helmet/no helmet 
numerous times the past few years but ended up finding a simple one I like 
(Bern) with removable liner and that fits with several personal hats 
(unlike my prior helmet that never felt right) and that easily accepts a 
Velcro strapped headlamp (Princeton Tec Eos.)  Between the good fit plus 
extra light for night time riding, and wanting to lead by example for my 
son who we also make wear a helmet at 2 years I've become pro-helmet, even 
if somewhat begrudgingly. 

On Wednesday, September 18, 2019 at 10:18:20 AM UTC-4, SeanMac wrote:

> I certainly do not want to start (another) helmet war, however I recently 
> stumbled on an interesting article in the Washington Post about helmets and 
> cycling injuries
>
> Only 22 percent of bicyclists in severe accidents were wearing helmets. 
> 
>
> The story is rather short, but this is the key line to me:
>
> "Bicyclists who were wearing helmets when accidents occurred generally had 
> less severe injuries, spent less time hospitalized, including shorter stays 
> in intensive care, and were less likely to have died as a result of the 
> accident, according to researchers’ analysis of the data 
> , 
> published in the journal Brain Injury."
>
> Sean
> Buffalo, NY
>

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[RBW] Re: Helmets (again)

[Ed Carolipio]

May I suggest reading and discussing this article instead:

https://ggwash.org/view/73899/why-i-stopped-taking-my-kid-to-school-by-bike-vision-zero-dc

--Ed C.

On Wednesday, September 18, 2019 at 7:18:20 AM UTC-7, SeanMac wrote:
>
> I certainly do not want to start (another) helmet war, however I recently 
> stumbled on an interesting article in the Washington Post about helmets and 
> cycling injuries
>
> Only 22 percent of bicyclists in severe accidents were wearing helmets. 
> 
>
> The story is rather short, but this is the key line to me:
>
> "Bicyclists who were wearing helmets when accidents occurred generally had 
> less severe injuries, spent less time hospitalized, including shorter stays 
> in intensive care, and were less likely to have died as a result of the 
> accident, according to researchers’ analysis of the data 
> , 
> published in the journal Brain Injury."
>
> Sean
> Buffalo, NY
>

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