[RBW] Re: Hillborne or Hunqapillar
Thank you everyone for your helpful comments. I should have said in my original post that I have a Merlin Cyrene, which I like for riding roads. However, I cannot carry any load and I am limited to 700c x 28 tires. I also have a mountain bike, but I may cannibalize it to build up either the Hillborne or Hunqapillar. My main reason's for considering the Hillborne and Hunqapillar is that I haven't been able to tweak my Cyrene to get the seat back far enough or the handle bars high enough for optimal comfort and the Cyrene's tire size limit. I agree with everyone who said that the Hillborne seems to be the best fit for my riding style. It is also $500 cheaper while the Taiwanese Hillbornes last. However, I am a little concerned by the posts that I've read (by a small minority of owners) that the Hillborne ride quality can degrade under load; the fact that the latest version of the Waterford 56cm Hillborne has 2 top tubes seems to confirm that this is a potential issue. I am also attracted by Rivendell's discription of the Hunqapillars high quality tubing. I'll let you know when I make a final decision. Thanks, Ernie -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Hillborne or Hunqapillar
On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 9:55 PM, ewb ebons...@optonline.net wrote: However, I am a little concerned by the posts that I've read (by a small minority of owners) that the Hillborne ride quality can degrade under load; the fact that the latest version of the Waterford 56cm Hillborne has 2 top tubes seems to confirm that this is a potential issue. In my own experience, the SH handles loads pretty well, though it is obviously not as stiff as a full on touring bike. Keven pointed out the tubing difference to me between it and the Atlantis when I talked to him about a bike for touring; but, in addition to getting a very good deal on the shop floor SH, I wanted a lighter framed bike for all round riding. Of course, when you get up to 50 lb you can feel the flex, but for me that is not really a problem; as I often report, I carry 40 lb loads on a much flexier, light-531 1973 Motobecane Grande Record. My problem with the SH is that the front end seems light and tends to wander slightly compared to my other bikes; and this both loaded (rear load only; light front load) and unloaded -- I first noticed it unloaded, in fact. How much of this is due to my seating position, which is far back, combined with the relatively long tt and high bar compared to my other road bikes , I don't know, but I wonder if this -- ie, less weight than optimal on the front wheel -- is the principal reason. (I also have a long torso and short-arms -- compared to knee scratching Anglos, anyway -- which may tend to increase a rearward weight bias.) The other problem is that, compared to my other road bikes, including the Motobecane, the SH just feels heavy and sluggish; doubtless some of this is due simply to its weight which, with all the accouterments, is considerable. But as others have said, if I just shut up and ride the thing for a week, I'll probably not notice the handling any more. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Hillborne or Hunqapillar
I go with the Hillborne too. You should buy a bike that are you are going to ride not one you might like to ride. Unless you have an actual non-supported long distance tour setup then the Sam is the better bike. I rode mine from Hong Kong to Shanghai this past summer and don't think that I could have done better on another bike dispite the flooding and bad roads in China. On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 11:57 AM, Thomas Lynn Skean thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net wrote: Hey. I'd go Hillborne. Presuming the 10% non-road riding you describe is *not* actual single-track, intentional-impediment, ascend/descend barely-a-trail mountain-brand mountain biking, then the Hillborne is well suited for your described riding. If the 10% *is* that sort of riding, go Hunqa or Bomba, no matter how smooth the rest of the riding is. I'm a happy 245lb owner of a 60cm double-top-tube Hillborne. I have no qualms about loading it with 15-45 extra lbs. I ride 700Cx38 tires @60psi and it is light and *smooth* on gravelly rutty trails as well as decent roads. I ride both, about 50/50. get SKS 700c 50mm fenders and some decent flaps and you can regularly go pretty much anywhere anywhen short of aforementioned mountain biking. Needless to say, I don't expect to be 245lbd for long! Yours, Thomas Lunn Skean On Aug 6, 10:54 pm, ewb ebons...@optonline.net wrote: I am trying to decide whether to purchase a Sam Hillborne or Hunqapillar. I currently do 90% of my riding on the road without any load. However one of the attractions of both bikes is that I can also ride them off- road the other 10% of the time. I like the exta stoutness of the Hunqapillar because I weigh 200+ and I it would give me more loaded capacity if I ever need it. One concern that I have is whether the extra stoutness of the Hunqapillar will make it more sluggish (less zippy) than the Hillborne. Does anyone here have riding experience on both bikes? If so could you please share your opinion about how their ride quality compares? Please also let me know if you have any other advice about the pros/cons of these two bicycles. Thanks and Regards, Ernie -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Fai Mao The Blogger who sometimes responds to comments -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Hillborne or Hunqapillar
One concern that I have is whether the extra stoutness of the Hunqapillar will make it more sluggish (less zippy) than the Hillborne. Riding characteristics are influenced far more by the geometry and choice of tires/wheels. Assuming the geometry and specs are close, you can make the Hunq a lot more lively for the road with a lighter wheel/tire combo than you will want for off road. On Aug 6, 10:54 pm, ewb ebons...@optonline.net wrote: I am trying to decide whether to purchase a Sam Hillborne or Hunqapillar. I currently do 90% of my riding on the road without any load. However one of the attractions of both bikes is that I can also ride them off- road the other 10% of the time. I like the exta stoutness of the Hunqapillar because I weigh 200+ and I it would give me more loaded capacity if I ever need it. One concern that I have is whether the extra stoutness of the Hunqapillar will make it more sluggish (less zippy) than the Hillborne. Does anyone here have riding experience on both bikes? If so could you please share your opinion about how their ride quality compares? Please also let me know if you have any other advice about the pros/cons of these two bicycles. Thanks and Regards, Ernie -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Hillborne or Hunqapillar
I think your description is exactly what the Hillborne is all about. 90% road with the ability to do light loads and GREAT for light off road rails trails and such. The Hunqapillar can be made quicker but is still designed to be a trail/heavy touring bike. The only thing that would worry me is that I cannot find the load weight for the Hillborne. For the Bleriot it was rider plus load 235lbs. If the Hillborne is similar than it might not be the best choice. In that case for what you describe I would lean towards the Atlantis. On Aug 6, 11:54 pm, ewb ebons...@optonline.net wrote: I am trying to decide whether to purchase a Sam Hillborne or Hunqapillar. I currently do 90% of my riding on the road without any load. However one of the attractions of both bikes is that I can also ride them off- road the other 10% of the time. I like the exta stoutness of the Hunqapillar because I weigh 200+ and I it would give me more loaded capacity if I ever need it. One concern that I have is whether the extra stoutness of the Hunqapillar will make it more sluggish (less zippy) than the Hillborne. Does anyone here have riding experience on both bikes? If so could you please share your opinion about how their ride quality compares? Please also let me know if you have any other advice about the pros/cons of these two bicycles. Thanks and Regards, Ernie -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Hillborne or Hunqapillar
I agree with Johnny ... what you described is the target use for the Hillborne. The Hillborne certainly rides well on the pavement and gravel. My suggestion is to consider the double top-tube version available in the 56cm+ sizes. With the extra toptube, I don't think the total weight of rider + gear would be an issue. Bryan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Hillborne or Hunqapillar
Have a Hillborne. Currently weigh 220. Last year, when I got the bike, was closer to 240. Did a couple of S24O camping trips with about 20 pounds or so of stuff. No problem. Then again, Patrick Moore has loaded his Hillborne up with 50 plus pounds added to whatever his weight is (170ish?) and he had problems with handling. So handling characteristics are different for some folks. I thought at one time, Rivendell had posted a possible weight chart for the Hillborne. It's a more robust build than the A. Homer Hilsen. But not as much as the Atlantis. Of the two, I'd go with the Hillborne. That's my bias. If you are truly worried, get a double top tube version of the Hillborne. That will add stability and stiffen up the frame. Lastly - the Hillborne is available now. The Hunqapillar is coming, but not here quite yet. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Aug 7, 8:20 am, Johnny Alien johnnyal...@verizon.net wrote: I think your description is exactly what the Hillborne is all about. 90% road with the ability to do light loads and GREAT for light off road rails trails and such. The Hunqapillar can be made quicker but is still designed to be a trail/heavy touring bike. The only thing that would worry me is that I cannot find the load weight for the Hillborne. For the Bleriot it was rider plus load 235lbs. If the Hillborne is similar than it might not be the best choice. In that case for what you describe I would lean towards the Atlantis. On Aug 6, 11:54 pm, ewb ebons...@optonline.net wrote: I am trying to decide whether to purchase a Sam Hillborne or Hunqapillar. I currently do 90% of my riding on the road without any load. However one of the attractions of both bikes is that I can also ride them off- road the other 10% of the time. I like the exta stoutness of the Hunqapillar because I weigh 200+ and I it would give me more loaded capacity if I ever need it. One concern that I have is whether the extra stoutness of the Hunqapillar will make it more sluggish (less zippy) than the Hillborne. Does anyone here have riding experience on both bikes? If so could you please share your opinion about how their ride quality compares? Please also let me know if you have any other advice about the pros/cons of these two bicycles. Thanks and Regards, Ernie- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Hillborne or Hunqapillar
Hey Ernie, I think Joel makes a good point about wheels and tires having a significant effect on how the bike feels. It does seem like the Hillborne is designed around mid sized tires (32 to 44) as oppoesed the Hunqa which is designed around larger tires. Doesn't it say somewhere that the smallest tire that should be used with a Hunqa is a 38? Maybe check the Riv website. I don't think you could go wrong with either bike but it does seem like a Hillborne would suit you quite well. Let us know what you decide to go with. --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Hillborne or Hunqapillar
Hey. I'd go Hillborne. Presuming the 10% non-road riding you describe is *not* actual single-track, intentional-impediment, ascend/descend barely-a-trail mountain-brand mountain biking, then the Hillborne is well suited for your described riding. If the 10% *is* that sort of riding, go Hunqa or Bomba, no matter how smooth the rest of the riding is. I'm a happy 245lb owner of a 60cm double-top-tube Hillborne. I have no qualms about loading it with 15-45 extra lbs. I ride 700Cx38 tires @60psi and it is light and *smooth* on gravelly rutty trails as well as decent roads. I ride both, about 50/50. get SKS 700c 50mm fenders and some decent flaps and you can regularly go pretty much anywhere anywhen short of aforementioned mountain biking. Needless to say, I don't expect to be 245lbd for long! Yours, Thomas Lunn Skean On Aug 6, 10:54 pm, ewb ebons...@optonline.net wrote: I am trying to decide whether to purchase a Sam Hillborne or Hunqapillar. I currently do 90% of my riding on the road without any load. However one of the attractions of both bikes is that I can also ride them off- road the other 10% of the time. I like the exta stoutness of the Hunqapillar because I weigh 200+ and I it would give me more loaded capacity if I ever need it. One concern that I have is whether the extra stoutness of the Hunqapillar will make it more sluggish (less zippy) than the Hillborne. Does anyone here have riding experience on both bikes? If so could you please share your opinion about how their ride quality compares? Please also let me know if you have any other advice about the pros/cons of these two bicycles. Thanks and Regards, Ernie -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Hillborne or Hunqapillar
I briefly had an Atlantis and test rode a Hillborne. Both unloaded. I liked the feel of the Hillborne better--lighter and less stiff. Ryan On Aug 6, 8:54 pm, ewb ebons...@optonline.net wrote: I am trying to decide whether to purchase a Sam Hillborne or Hunqapillar. I currently do 90% of my riding on the road without any load. However one of the attractions of both bikes is that I can also ride them off- road the other 10% of the time. I like the exta stoutness of the capacity if I ever need it. One concern that I have is whether the extra stoutness of the Hunqapillar will make it more sluggish (less zippy) than the Hillborne. Does anyone here have riding experience on both bikes? If so could you please share your opinion about how their ride quality compares? Please also let me know if you have any other advice about the pros/cons of these two bicycles. Thanks and Regards, Ernie -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
