[RBW] Re: How are 33 mm tires for fire roads?

2013-11-13 Thread Michael Hechmer
Deacon, I don't ride fire roads but live in a town that is 95% dirt 
roads.  Much like your description, these roads can vary widely from day to 
day and mile to mile.  My Jack Browns are usually fine, but like the 38mm 
Pari Moto even better.  Personally I would avoid anything knobby, 
especially if its mostly hard pack.  If the 1.75 has internal treads, I'd 
go with that.  A 33 is actually 1 3/8. 1.75 is 44.

Michael

On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 9:04:33 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 A friend is planning on coming on the flash ride on Pikes Peak and was 
 wondering whether to bring his MTB or road bike (33 mm tires aka 27 x 
 1.75). I helpfully replied, “What are those? I just ride.” He laughed and 
 replied “No. Seriously. Which one?”

 I don’t know the condition of the most likely route, but in the past it’s 
 had some wash board and loose-ish gravel but was well packed for most of it 
 with a clean line most of the time. May be some snow on the road come 
 Saturday and it will likely melt somewhere along the way.

 Can you help me help him?

 With abandon,
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[RBW] Re: How are 33 mm tires for fire roads?

2013-11-13 Thread Jeremy Till
In addition to variations in personal skill and comfort levels, it can be 
really hard to compare off-road tire choices online here because what a 
fire trail looks like in CO may be much different in Oregon, 
Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, Nor Cal, So Cal, etc.  We've had similar 
conversations here (or on the iBob list) and the take away for me was that 
dirt roads and fire trails vary greatly in steepness, grain size of 
paving material, maintenance, bumpiness, etc across the many states. So 
while a Jack Brown might be just fine on the (relatively smooth?  they 
still can feel pretty bumpy to me) fire roads of Nor Cal, they might be 
hopelessly outclassed on the rocks and roots of some other state's fire 
trails.  


On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 6:04:33 PM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 A friend is planning on coming on the flash ride on Pikes Peak and was 
 wondering whether to bring his MTB or road bike (33 mm tires aka 27 x 
 1.75). I helpfully replied, “What are those? I just ride.” He laughed and 
 replied “No. Seriously. Which one?”

 I don’t know the condition of the most likely route, but in the past it’s 
 had some wash board and loose-ish gravel but was well packed for most of it 
 with a clean line most of the time. May be some snow on the road come 
 Saturday and it will likely melt somewhere along the way.

 Can you help me help him?

 With abandon,
 Patrick

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 *www.OurHolyConception.org http://www.OurHolyConception.org*
  


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Re: [RBW] Re: How are 33 mm tires for fire roads?

2013-11-13 Thread Anne Paulson
I'd say if he's new to offroad, better to advise the mountain bike. If
he rides his mountain bike and feels like he has more tire than he
needs, oh well. If he rides the road bike and feels in over his head,
it'll ruin the ride.

On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 6:42 PM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote:
 That's the thing, he's new to multitudinous terrain riding, so he has no
 reference point. Since my Hunqapillar runs 50 mm tires, I don't either.

 With abandon,
 Patrick


 On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 7:34:41 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:

 Your best bet is to describe the terrain and let him decide. The what
 bike/tire for dirt debate is almost as subjective as saddles: One person's
 fun ride can make another person feel in over their head.

 Joe Bernard
 Vallejo, CA.

 On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 6:04:33 PM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 A friend is planning on coming on the flash ride on Pikes Peak and was
 wondering whether to bring his MTB or road bike (33 mm tires aka 27 x 1.75).
 I helpfully replied, “What are those? I just ride.” He laughed and replied
 “No. Seriously. Which one?”

 I don’t know the condition of the most likely route, but in the past it’s
 had some wash board and loose-ish gravel but was well packed for most of it
 with a clean line most of the time. May be some snow on the road come
 Saturday and it will likely melt somewhere along the way.

 Can you help me help him?

 With abandon,
 Patrick

 www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
 www.OurHolyConception.org

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Re: [RBW] Re: How are 33 mm tires for fire roads?

2013-11-13 Thread cyclotourist
Yes, what Anne said.

Cheers,
David

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On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 8:27 AM, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.comwrote:

 I'd say if he's new to offroad, better to advise the mountain bike. If
 he rides his mountain bike and feels like he has more tire than he
 needs, oh well. If he rides the road bike and feels in over his head,
 it'll ruin the ride.

 On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 6:42 PM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com
 wrote:
  That's the thing, he's new to multitudinous terrain riding, so he has no
  reference point. Since my Hunqapillar runs 50 mm tires, I don't either.
 
  With abandon,
  Patrick
 
 
  On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 7:34:41 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
 
  Your best bet is to describe the terrain and let him decide. The what
  bike/tire for dirt debate is almost as subjective as saddles: One
 person's
  fun ride can make another person feel in over their head.
 
  Joe Bernard
  Vallejo, CA.
 
  On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 6:04:33 PM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote:
 
  A friend is planning on coming on the flash ride on Pikes Peak and was
  wondering whether to bring his MTB or road bike (33 mm tires aka 27 x
 1.75).
  I helpfully replied, “What are those? I just ride.” He laughed and
 replied
  “No. Seriously. Which one?”
 
  I don’t know the condition of the most likely route, but in the past
 it’s
  had some wash board and loose-ish gravel but was well packed for most
 of it
  with a clean line most of the time. May be some snow on the road come
  Saturday and it will likely melt somewhere along the way.
 
  Can you help me help him?
 
  With abandon,
  Patrick
 
  www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
  www.OurHolyConception.org
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: How are 33 mm tires for fire roads?

2013-11-13 Thread Deacon Patrick
Knobby it is! Thanks all!

With abandon,
Patrick


On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 9:59:24 AM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:

 Yes, what Anne said.

 Cheers,
 David

 it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal





 On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 8:27 AM, Anne Paulson 
 anne.p...@gmail.comjavascript:
  wrote:

 I'd say if he's new to offroad, better to advise the mountain bike. If
 he rides his mountain bike and feels like he has more tire than he
 needs, oh well. If he rides the road bike and feels in over his head,
 it'll ruin the ride.

 On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 6:42 PM, Deacon Patrick 
 lamon...@mac.comjavascript: 
 wrote:
  That's the thing, he's new to multitudinous terrain riding, so he has no
  reference point. Since my Hunqapillar runs 50 mm tires, I don't either.
 
  With abandon,
  Patrick
 
 
  On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 7:34:41 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
 
  Your best bet is to describe the terrain and let him decide. The what
  bike/tire for dirt debate is almost as subjective as saddles: One 
 person's
  fun ride can make another person feel in over their head.
 
  Joe Bernard
  Vallejo, CA.
 
  On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 6:04:33 PM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote:
 
  A friend is planning on coming on the flash ride on Pikes Peak and was
  wondering whether to bring his MTB or road bike (33 mm tires aka 27 x 
 1.75).
  I helpfully replied, “What are those? I just ride.” He laughed and 
 replied
  “No. Seriously. Which one?”
 
  I don’t know the condition of the most likely route, but in the past 
 it’s
  had some wash board and loose-ish gravel but was well packed for most 
 of it
  with a clean line most of the time. May be some snow on the road come
  Saturday and it will likely melt somewhere along the way.
 
  Can you help me help him?
 
  With abandon,
  Patrick
 
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[RBW] Re: How are 33 mm tires for fire roads?

2013-11-12 Thread Joe Bernard
Your best bet is to describe the terrain and let him decide. The what 
bike/tire for dirt debate is almost as subjective as saddles: One person's 
fun ride can make another person feel in over their head.
 
Joe Bernard
Vallejo, CA.

On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 6:04:33 PM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 A friend is planning on coming on the flash ride on Pikes Peak and was 
 wondering whether to bring his MTB or road bike (33 mm tires aka 27 x 
 1.75). I helpfully replied, “What are those? I just ride.” He laughed and 
 replied “No. Seriously. Which one?”

 I don’t know the condition of the most likely route, but in the past it’s 
 had some wash board and loose-ish gravel but was well packed for most of it 
 with a clean line most of the time. May be some snow on the road come 
 Saturday and it will likely melt somewhere along the way.

 Can you help me help him?

 With abandon,
 Patrick

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 *www.OurHolyConception.org http://www.OurHolyConception.org*
  


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[RBW] Re: How are 33 mm tires for fire roads?

2013-11-12 Thread Deacon Patrick
That's the thing, he's new to multitudinous terrain riding, so he has no 
reference point. Since my Hunqapillar runs 50 mm tires, I don't either.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 7:34:41 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:

 Your best bet is to describe the terrain and let him decide. The what 
 bike/tire for dirt debate is almost as subjective as saddles: One person's 
 fun ride can make another person feel in over their head.
  
 Joe Bernard
 Vallejo, CA.

 On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 6:04:33 PM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 A friend is planning on coming on the flash ride on Pikes Peak and was 
 wondering whether to bring his MTB or road bike (33 mm tires aka 27 x 
 1.75). I helpfully replied, “What are those? I just ride.” He laughed and 
 replied “No. Seriously. Which one?”

 I don’t know the condition of the most likely route, but in the past it’s 
 had some wash board and loose-ish gravel but was well packed for most of it 
 with a clean line most of the time. May be some snow on the road come 
 Saturday and it will likely melt somewhere along the way.

 Can you help me help him?

 With abandon,
 Patrick

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 *www.OurHolyConception.org http://www.OurHolyConception.org*
  


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[RBW] Re: How are 33 mm tires for fire roads?

2013-11-12 Thread Brian Campbell
I would then tell him to bring the mountain bike. Right tool for the job. 
Even if it is a bit overkill, better to have too much capability than not 
enough.

On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 9:42:39 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 That's the thing, he's new to multitudinous terrain riding, so he has no 
 reference point. Since my Hunqapillar runs 50 mm tires, I don't either.

 With abandon,
 Patrick

 On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 7:34:41 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:

 Your best bet is to describe the terrain and let him decide. The what 
 bike/tire for dirt debate is almost as subjective as saddles: One person's 
 fun ride can make another person feel in over their head.
  
 Joe Bernard
 Vallejo, CA.

 On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 6:04:33 PM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 A friend is planning on coming on the flash ride on Pikes Peak and was 
 wondering whether to bring his MTB or road bike (33 mm tires aka 27 x 
 1.75). I helpfully replied, “What are those? I just ride.” He laughed and 
 replied “No. Seriously. Which one?”

 I don’t know the condition of the most likely route, but in the past 
 it’s had some wash board and loose-ish gravel but was well packed for most 
 of it with a clean line most of the time. May be some snow on the road come 
 Saturday and it will likely melt somewhere along the way.

 Can you help me help him?

 With abandon,
 Patrick

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 *www.OurHolyConception.org http://www.OurHolyConception.org*
  


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[RBW] Re: How are 33 mm tires for fire roads?

2013-11-12 Thread Deacon Patrick
Thanks, Brian. That's precisely my fall back response, but I was wondering 
if there is a general rule of 30 mm or 35 mm or ??? being the low end of 
ridable on fire roads.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 8:04:14 PM UTC-7, Brian Campbell wrote:

 I would then tell him to bring the mountain bike. Right tool for the job. 
 Even if it is a bit overkill, better to have too much capability than not 
 enough.

 On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 9:42:39 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 That's the thing, he's new to multitudinous terrain riding, so he has no 
 reference point. Since my Hunqapillar runs 50 mm tires, I don't either.

 With abandon,
 Patrick

 On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 7:34:41 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:

 Your best bet is to describe the terrain and let him decide. The what 
 bike/tire for dirt debate is almost as subjective as saddles: One person's 
 fun ride can make another person feel in over their head.
  
 Joe Bernard
 Vallejo, CA.

 On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 6:04:33 PM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 A friend is planning on coming on the flash ride on Pikes Peak and was 
 wondering whether to bring his MTB or road bike (33 mm tires aka 27 x 
 1.75). I helpfully replied, “What are those? I just ride.” He laughed and 
 replied “No. Seriously. Which one?”

 I don’t know the condition of the most likely route, but in the past 
 it’s had some wash board and loose-ish gravel but was well packed for most 
 of it with a clean line most of the time. May be some snow on the road 
 come 
 Saturday and it will likely melt somewhere along the way.

 Can you help me help him?

 With abandon,
 Patrick

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 *www.OurHolyConception.org http://www.OurHolyConception.org*
  


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[RBW] Re: How are 33 mm tires for fire roads?

2013-11-12 Thread hsmitham
Good advice from Brian. Better to be initially over prepared than under. 
The more he rides  mixed terrain the better he'll be able to assess 
the equipment to terrain factor.

~Hugh

On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 7:12:16 PM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 Thanks, Brian. That's precisely my fall back response, but I was wondering 
 if there is a general rule of 30 mm or 35 mm or ??? being the low end of 
 ridable on fire roads.

 With abandon,
 Patrick

 On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 8:04:14 PM UTC-7, Brian Campbell wrote:

 I would then tell him to bring the mountain bike. Right tool for the job. 
 Even if it is a bit overkill, better to have too much capability than not 
 enough.

 On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 9:42:39 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 That's the thing, he's new to multitudinous terrain riding, so he has no 
 reference point. Since my Hunqapillar runs 50 mm tires, I don't either.

 With abandon,
 Patrick

 On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 7:34:41 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:

 Your best bet is to describe the terrain and let him decide. The what 
 bike/tire for dirt debate is almost as subjective as saddles: One 
 person's 
 fun ride can make another person feel in over their head.
  
 Joe Bernard
 Vallejo, CA.

 On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 6:04:33 PM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 A friend is planning on coming on the flash ride on Pikes Peak and was 
 wondering whether to bring his MTB or road bike (33 mm tires aka 27 x 
 1.75). I helpfully replied, “What are those? I just ride.” He laughed and 
 replied “No. Seriously. Which one?”

 I don’t know the condition of the most likely route, but in the past 
 it’s had some wash board and loose-ish gravel but was well packed for 
 most 
 of it with a clean line most of the time. May be some snow on the road 
 come 
 Saturday and it will likely melt somewhere along the way.

 Can you help me help him?

 With abandon,
 Patrick

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[RBW] Re: How are 33 mm tires for fire roads?

2013-11-12 Thread oldmangabe
Patrick,

If neither of you are confident on the terrain conditions, and he is not 
confident handling a road bike in the dirt then I would agree and say the 
mtn bike is the better choice.  As to your question as to what is a general 
rule of thumb for fire road riding, I have two answers.  Again I agree with 
what others have said, it is primarily subjective to each persons comfort 
and skill level on the bike.  I and friends have shredded down rocky 
singletrack on 23mm tires on numerous occasions.  Though for some take away 
numbers, 28mm is the smallest I would go for passive suspension and tire 
contact, with 32/33 being the accepted size for sportif riding and 35mm+ 
for more exploratory riding.  

Gabe

On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 7:12:16 PM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 Thanks, Brian. That's precisely my fall back response, but I was wondering 
 if there is a general rule of 30 mm or 35 mm or ??? being the low end of 
 ridable on fire roads.

 With abandon,
 Patrick

 On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 8:04:14 PM UTC-7, Brian Campbell wrote:

 I would then tell him to bring the mountain bike. Right tool for the job. 
 Even if it is a bit overkill, better to have too much capability than not 
 enough.

 On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 9:42:39 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 That's the thing, he's new to multitudinous terrain riding, so he has no 
 reference point. Since my Hunqapillar runs 50 mm tires, I don't either.

 With abandon,
 Patrick

 On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 7:34:41 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:

 Your best bet is to describe the terrain and let him decide. The what 
 bike/tire for dirt debate is almost as subjective as saddles: One 
 person's 
 fun ride can make another person feel in over their head.
  
 Joe Bernard
 Vallejo, CA.

 On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 6:04:33 PM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 A friend is planning on coming on the flash ride on Pikes Peak and was 
 wondering whether to bring his MTB or road bike (33 mm tires aka 27 x 
 1.75). I helpfully replied, “What are those? I just ride.” He laughed and 
 replied “No. Seriously. Which one?”

 I don’t know the condition of the most likely route, but in the past 
 it’s had some wash board and loose-ish gravel but was well packed for 
 most 
 of it with a clean line most of the time. May be some snow on the road 
 come 
 Saturday and it will likely melt somewhere along the way.

 Can you help me help him?

 With abandon,
 Patrick

 *www.MindYourHeadCoop.org http://www.MindYourHeadCoop.org*
 *www.OurHolyConception.org http://www.OurHolyConception.org*
  


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Re: [RBW] Re: How are 33 mm tires for fire roads?

2013-11-12 Thread cyclotourist
As long as it's (mostly) hardpack, 33mm is fine. Rear tire may spin
out on steep climbs though, even on hardpack.

If you're not sure of the condition, the MTB is a better bet.

On 11/12/13, oldmangabe oldmang...@gmail.com wrote:
 Patrick,

 If neither of you are confident on the terrain conditions, and he is not
 confident handling a road bike in the dirt then I would agree and say the
 mtn bike is the better choice.  As to your question as to what is a general

 rule of thumb for fire road riding, I have two answers.  Again I agree with

 what others have said, it is primarily subjective to each persons comfort
 and skill level on the bike.  I and friends have shredded down rocky
 singletrack on 23mm tires on numerous occasions.  Though for some take away

 numbers, 28mm is the smallest I would go for passive suspension and tire
 contact, with 32/33 being the accepted size for sportif riding and 35mm+
 for more exploratory riding.

 Gabe

 On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 7:12:16 PM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 Thanks, Brian. That's precisely my fall back response, but I was wondering

 if there is a general rule of 30 mm or 35 mm or ??? being the low end of
 ridable on fire roads.

 With abandon,
 Patrick

 On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 8:04:14 PM UTC-7, Brian Campbell wrote:

 I would then tell him to bring the mountain bike. Right tool for the job.

 Even if it is a bit overkill, better to have too much capability than not

 enough.

 On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 9:42:39 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 That's the thing, he's new to multitudinous terrain riding, so he has no

 reference point. Since my Hunqapillar runs 50 mm tires, I don't either.

 With abandon,
 Patrick

 On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 7:34:41 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:

 Your best bet is to describe the terrain and let him decide. The what

 bike/tire for dirt debate is almost as subjective as saddles: One
 person's
 fun ride can make another person feel in over their head.

 Joe Bernard
 Vallejo, CA.

 On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 6:04:33 PM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 A friend is planning on coming on the flash ride on Pikes Peak and was

 wondering whether to bring his MTB or road bike (33 mm tires aka 27 x

 1.75). I helpfully replied, “What are those? I just ride.” He laughed
 and
 replied “No. Seriously. Which one?”

 I don’t know the condition of the most likely route, but in the past
 it’s had some wash board and loose-ish gravel but was well packed for
 most
 of it with a clean line most of the time. May be some snow on the road
 come
 Saturday and it will likely melt somewhere along the way.

 Can you help me help him?

 With abandon,
 Patrick

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[RBW] Re: How are 33 mm tires for fire roads?

2013-11-12 Thread john
If your friend is riding Jack Brown's not to worry! I love these tires! The 
best I've ridden regardless of width. They are fantastic on the dirt, 
fantastic on the pavement. 33.3 do me better than fine on fire roads here 
in Oregon. I'm ever aware of the fat tire craze in these parts (the 
greater NW), and ride a bike with 38's, but with Jack Brown's, 33.3 is 
plenty good. Thanks Rivendell for making such great all-around tires!

On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 6:04:33 PM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 A friend is planning on coming on the flash ride on Pikes Peak and was 
 wondering whether to bring his MTB or road bike (33 mm tires aka 27 x 
 1.75). I helpfully replied, “What are those? I just ride.” He laughed and 
 replied “No. Seriously. Which one?”

 I don’t know the condition of the most likely route, but in the past it’s 
 had some wash board and loose-ish gravel but was well packed for most of it 
 with a clean line most of the time. May be some snow on the road come 
 Saturday and it will likely melt somewhere along the way.

 Can you help me help him?

 With abandon,
 Patrick

 *www.MindYourHeadCoop.org http://www.MindYourHeadCoop.org*
 *www.OurHolyConception.org http://www.OurHolyConception.org*
  


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