[RBW] Re: I'm not sure I get the connection between bikes and hatchets...

2013-07-03 Thread bobish
Joe, I'm not much for camping either. For anyone who doesn't understand why, I 
point them here.

Jim Gaffigan - Camping, waking up, and bacon - YouTube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UahqgK60vuksns=em

Perry

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[RBW] Re: I'm not sure I get the connection between bikes and hatchets...

2013-07-03 Thread Deacon Patrick
I still don't understand why. But that's OK. More acreage for me. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Wednesday, July 3, 2013 2:57:01 AM UTC-6, bobish wrote:

 Joe, I'm not much for camping either. For anyone who doesn't understand 
 why, I point them here.

 Jim Gaffigan - Camping, waking up, and bacon - YouTube
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UahqgK60vuksns=em

 Perry



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[RBW] Re: I'm not sure I get the connection between bikes and hatchets...

2013-07-03 Thread Ron Mc
bicycles and hatches makes more sense than bottom bracket clunks and 
saddles.  

On Wednesday, July 3, 2013 7:42:46 AM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 I still don't understand why. But that's OK. More acreage for me. Grin.

 With abandon,
 Patrick

 On Wednesday, July 3, 2013 2:57:01 AM UTC-6, bobish wrote:

 Joe, I'm not much for camping either. For anyone who doesn't understand 
 why, I point them here.

 Jim Gaffigan - Camping, waking up, and bacon - YouTube
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UahqgK60vuksns=em

 Perry



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[RBW] Re: I'm not sure I get the connection between bikes and hatchets...

2013-07-03 Thread Kelly
This guy carried a hatchet on our Alaska bike tour.  It came in handy for camp 
fires.  

http://www.flickr.com/photos/tksleeper/7677967878/in/set-72157630824045902

Kelly

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[RBW] Re: I'm not sure I get the connection between bikes and hatchets...

2013-07-03 Thread Ron Mc
I clicked through some of your photos - is that the road to Hope?  What a 
killer summer ride.  

On Wednesday, July 3, 2013 9:45:42 AM UTC-5, Kelly wrote:

 This guy carried a hatchet on our Alaska bike tour.  It came in handy for 
 camp fires.  

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/tksleeper/7677967878/in/set-72157630824045902

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Re: [RBW] Re: I'm not sure I get the connection between bikes and hatchets...

2013-07-03 Thread Montclair BobbyB
You do realize the Geneva Convention prohibits use of chemical weapons (on 
people)??


On Tuesday, July 2, 2013 5:31:36 PM UTC-4, Peter M wrote:

 When I was growing up we used a can of Raid wasp and hornet killer for 
 that. Works on bears too, if you are in a bind, trust me. 


 On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 5:26 PM, Montclair BobbyB 
 montcla...@gmail.comjavascript:
  wrote:

 It makes one feel kinda like a modern-day Daniel Boone...It's just nice 
 having an axe in your saddlebag... 
 It also may offer leverage in preventing a potential road-rage incident 
 from escalating... hey, I'm just saying... 

 BB

 On Monday, July 1, 2013 5:56:23 PM UTC-4, Rex Kerr wrote:


 http://www.rivbike.com/**product-p/axe425.htmhttp://www.rivbike.com/product-p/axe425.htm

 http://store.velo-orange.com/**index.php/camping-axe-by-**bahco.htmlhttp://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/camping-axe-by-bahco.html


 I tend to tour heavy, but not THAT heavy!

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Re: [RBW] Re: I'm not sure I get the connection between bikes and hatchets...

2013-07-03 Thread Peter Morgano
Mace is illegal, wasp spray is not. When I used to ride in rural upstate NY
there were sometimes dangerous situations with drivers. I never had to use
it on a person but have brandished the big black can that changed some
drunk drivers mind about kicking my ass.


On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 1:48 PM, Montclair BobbyB
montclairbob...@gmail.comwrote:

 You do realize the Geneva Convention prohibits use of chemical weapons (on
 people)??


 On Tuesday, July 2, 2013 5:31:36 PM UTC-4, Peter M wrote:

 When I was growing up we used a can of Raid wasp and hornet killer for
 that. Works on bears too, if you are in a bind, trust me.


 On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 5:26 PM, Montclair BobbyB montcla...@gmail.comwrote:

 It makes one feel kinda like a modern-day Daniel Boone...It's just nice
 having an axe in your saddlebag...
 It also may offer leverage in preventing a potential road-rage incident
 from escalating... hey, I'm just saying...

 BB

 On Monday, July 1, 2013 5:56:23 PM UTC-4, Rex Kerr wrote:


 http://www.rivbike.com/**product**-p/axe425.htmhttp://www.rivbike.com/product-p/axe425.htm

 http://store.velo-orange.com/**i**ndex.php/camping-axe-by-**bahco.**
 html http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/camping-axe-by-bahco.html


 I tend to tour heavy, but not THAT heavy!

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Re: [RBW] Re: I'm not sure I get the connection between bikes and hatchets...

2013-07-03 Thread Montclair BobbyB
*(note to self... Do NOT piss off Peter M)  
*
On Wednesday, July 3, 2013 2:00:00 PM UTC-4, Peter M wrote:

 Mace is illegal, wasp spray is not. When I used to ride in rural upstate 
 NY there were sometimes dangerous situations with drivers. I never had to 
 use it on a person but have brandished the big black can that changed some 
 drunk drivers mind about kicking my ass. 


 On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 1:48 PM, Montclair BobbyB 
 montcla...@gmail.comjavascript:
  wrote:

 You do realize the Geneva Convention prohibits use of chemical weapons 
 (on people)??


 On Tuesday, July 2, 2013 5:31:36 PM UTC-4, Peter M wrote:

 When I was growing up we used a can of Raid wasp and hornet killer for 
 that. Works on bears too, if you are in a bind, trust me. 


 On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 5:26 PM, Montclair BobbyB 
 montcla...@gmail.comwrote:

 It makes one feel kinda like a modern-day Daniel Boone...It's just nice 
 having an axe in your saddlebag... 
 It also may offer leverage in preventing a potential road-rage incident 
 from escalating... hey, I'm just saying... 

 BB

 On Monday, July 1, 2013 5:56:23 PM UTC-4, Rex Kerr wrote:


 http://www.rivbike.com/**product**-p/axe425.htmhttp://www.rivbike.com/product-p/axe425.htm

 http://store.velo-orange.com/**i**ndex.php/camping-axe-by-**bahco.**
 htmlhttp://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/camping-axe-by-bahco.html


 I tend to tour heavy, but not THAT heavy!

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[RBW] Re: I'm not sure I get the connection between bikes and hatchets...

2013-07-03 Thread jphillip...@me.com
These guys are so great, friendly  helpful, I wouldn't care if they were 
selling assault weapons and Argentinian grilling racks along side their 
bikes. Whenever I email, call or drop by to ask a question or buy 
something, they are so cheery and helpful, they erase a weeks worth of 
unpleasant workplace residue from my soul.  I wish I worked there!

Besides, a nice Swedish axe handle emerging from my saddlebag would 
probably discourage most obnoxious drivers in my neighborhood from trying 
to run me off the road. 

I like seeing someone with enough cojones to carry whatever he likes on his 
store's shelves. It reminds me of the old general stores on the Big Island 
(that's THE island of Hawaii) that used to carry everything you ever really 
needed.

I will now step off my soap box and finish my martini.

Cheers! 
John  

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 http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/axe425.htm

 http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/camping-axe-by-bahco.html


 I tend to tour heavy, but not THAT heavy!


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[RBW] Re: I'm not sure I get the connection between bikes and hatchets...

2013-07-02 Thread Rex Kerr
All of the responses focus on the fact that Riv Bike is selling them, but
what prompted me to post was the fact that VO has joined the bandwagon and
has them on their site too!


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 http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/axe425.htm

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Re: [RBW] Re: I'm not sure I get the connection between bikes and hatchets...

2013-07-02 Thread Peter Morgano
Something about the VO one makes it look like a Home Depot house brand. I
agree they all seem a bit frivolous to most but they could really come in
handy if you do go camping a lot. I always try to buy good stuff once than
crappy stuff over and over again and feel this product would fall into that
rubric.


On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 2:53 AM, Rex Kerr rexk...@gmail.com wrote:

 All of the responses focus on the fact that Riv Bike is selling them, but
 what prompted me to post was the fact that VO has joined the bandwagon and
 has them on their site too!


 On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 2:56 PM, Rex Kerr rexk...@gmail.com wrote:


 http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/axe425.htm

 http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/camping-axe-by-bahco.html


 I tend to tour heavy, but not THAT heavy!


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[RBW] Re: I'm not sure I get the connection between bikes and hatchets...

2013-07-02 Thread jpp
I think a lot of what VO does is based on the Riv model, but lower prices 
and less transparent connection to the manufactures.

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Re: [RBW] Re: I'm not sure I get the connection between bikes and hatchets...

2013-07-02 Thread Will
You would be wrong. I work in a community garden, we have Bahco tools. They 
are good. We like them a lot. Considerably better than the Chinese crap at 
Home Depot. 

You would be wise to get the VO model. You get utility and longevity. 

The Riv hatchet lineup is precious. You pay for exclusivity. 

Exclusivity is OK, but it doesn't cut wood better. 

Will  


On Tuesday, July 2, 2013 8:24:20 AM UTC-5, Peter M wrote:

 Something about the VO one makes it look like a Home Depot house brand. I 
 agree they all seem a bit frivolous to most but they could really come in 
 handy if you do go camping a lot. I always try to buy good stuff once than 
 crappy stuff over and over again and feel this product would fall into that 
 rubric. 


 On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 2:53 AM, Rex Kerr rex...@gmail.com 
 javascript:wrote:

 All of the responses focus on the fact that Riv Bike is selling them, but 
 what prompted me to post was the fact that VO has joined the bandwagon and 
 has them on their site too!
  

 On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 2:56 PM, Rex Kerr rex...@gmail.com 
 javascript:wrote:


 http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/axe425.htm

 http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/camping-axe-by-bahco.html


 I tend to tour heavy, but not THAT heavy!


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Re: [RBW] Re: I'm not sure I get the connection between bikes and hatchets...

2013-07-02 Thread Peter Morgano
The handle and whatnot are orange, bit barcode, it just made me think of
Home Depot brand ones. I still have the hatchet my grandfather used in
WWII, back when the idea of having something made high quality was the
norm, not the exception.


On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 9:53 AM, Will waller.will...@gmail.com wrote:

 You would be wrong. I work in a community garden, we have Bahco tools.
 They are good. We like them a lot. Considerably better than the Chinese
 crap at Home Depot.

 You would be wise to get the VO model. You get utility and longevity.

 The Riv hatchet lineup is precious. You pay for exclusivity.

 Exclusivity is OK, but it doesn't cut wood better.

 Will


 On Tuesday, July 2, 2013 8:24:20 AM UTC-5, Peter M wrote:

 Something about the VO one makes it look like a Home Depot house brand. I
 agree they all seem a bit frivolous to most but they could really come in
 handy if you do go camping a lot. I always try to buy good stuff once than
 crappy stuff over and over again and feel this product would fall into that
 rubric.


 On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 2:53 AM, Rex Kerr rex...@gmail.com wrote:

 All of the responses focus on the fact that Riv Bike is selling them,
 but what prompted me to post was the fact that VO has joined the bandwagon
 and has them on their site too!


 On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 2:56 PM, Rex Kerr rex...@gmail.com wrote:


 http://www.rivbike.com/**product-p/axe425.htmhttp://www.rivbike.com/product-p/axe425.htm

 http://store.velo-orange.com/**index.php/camping-axe-by-**bahco.htmlhttp://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/camping-axe-by-bahco.html


 I tend to tour heavy, but not THAT heavy!


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[RBW] Re: I'm not sure I get the connection between bikes and hatchets...

2013-07-02 Thread Scott G.
I figured that Riv would go for the flint hand axe.


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[RBW] Re: I'm not sure I get the connection between bikes and hatchets...

2013-07-02 Thread doc
My personal favorite... good for fending off bears or Chief Falling Rock 
when riding through narrow passes:  

http://www.baileysonline.com/itemdetail.asp?item=SAW+180catID=


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[RBW] Re: I'm not sure I get the connection between bikes and hatchets...

2013-07-02 Thread jinxed


 I've had an axe since I was @ 10. My step-dad ran a firewood business so I 
 was handed a axe (hatchet, but seemed like an axe to a 10yo!) and told to 
 get limbing. I spent half of my weekends in the mountains felling trees on 
 forest service contracts to reduce fire danger. We would drag them out via 
 quad, load em up and I would spend my weeknights cutting, splitting, and 
 stacking. I did this from age 13 to 17. Despite chainsaws, hydraulic 
 splitters etc, we always kept several axes on hand that saw heavy use.


It was generally my responsibility to keep them honed and oiled which I 
enjoyed. I did learn that not all axe heads are created equal and the poor 
ones quickly made way to the scrap bin. That said, every True Temper head 
we worked with was exemplary, readily available, and inexpensive.

I probably have 5 axes. All found thrifting or garage sale. All less than a 
five spot each. All of them needed edge attention, and most handles. I've 
know about Gransfors for a long time, and admit I have some luxury lust. 
But then I think about the beautifully functional US made axes I brought 
back to life and the lust turns to silly.

To bring this back on topic, I have never considered or needed an axe while 
on my bike despite camping and back wood excursions. Maybe I never made the 
connection because I only own full size axes and not a proper hatchet?

On a side note, I wonder how many healthy trees have been needlessly downed 
by all the fashionjacks just wanting to instagram their best mades, GB's 
etc.

  

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[RBW] Re: I'm not sure I get the connection between bikes and hatchets...

2013-07-02 Thread Ron Mc
to ward off Vandals?  


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Re: [RBW] Re: I'm not sure I get the connection between bikes and hatchets...

2013-07-02 Thread Scott Henry
I know its expensive, but I love a lot of that Best Made stuff...  one of
these days
Scott

Cheers,
Scott Henry
Dayton, OH

FTM-PTB


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[RBW] Re: I'm not sure I get the connection between bikes and hatchets...

2013-07-02 Thread Mike Schiller
I learned in a survival class long ago that a good rock or two is all you 
need to chop wood. No need for heavy metal objects.  

~mike

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[RBW] Re: I'm not sure I get the connection between bikes and hatchets...

2013-07-02 Thread tdusky
A hatchet may be useful at home. But…
When bike camping or touring I like to follow the the same rule as when 
hiking… leave only footprints

 When cycle camping I carry a hobo stove that just needs twigs as fuel that 
are always available where there are trees.
See photo of my hobo stove in action.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/amisingh/8174474050/in/set-72157631979151523

Tom Dusky
Huntington Woods MI

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[RBW] Re: I'm not sure I get the connection between bikes and hatchets...

2013-07-02 Thread jpp
I am really saving my pennies for the Riv Tea and Crumpet.  I just hope it 
is in the works.   

At one point in my life I worked at two different, small family run 
businesses. (camping store and bike shop).  Both great places.  But both 
owners would stock non traditional items sometimes just because they liked 
them and wanted to raise the profile of a certain item or company.

On Monday, July 1, 2013 5:56:23 PM UTC-4, Rex Kerr wrote:


 http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/axe425.htm

 http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/camping-axe-by-bahco.html


 I tend to tour heavy, but not THAT heavy!


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[RBW] Re: I'm not sure I get the connection between bikes and hatchets...

2013-07-02 Thread Montclair BobbyB
It makes one feel kinda like a modern-day Daniel Boone...It's just nice 
having an axe in your saddlebag... 
It also may offer leverage in preventing a potential road-rage incident 
from escalating... hey, I'm just saying... 

BB

On Monday, July 1, 2013 5:56:23 PM UTC-4, Rex Kerr wrote:


 http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/axe425.htm

 http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/camping-axe-by-bahco.html


 I tend to tour heavy, but not THAT heavy!


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Re: [RBW] Re: I'm not sure I get the connection between bikes and hatchets...

2013-07-02 Thread Peter Morgano
When I was growing up we used a can of Raid wasp and hornet killer for
that. Works on bears too, if you are in a bind, trust me.


On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 5:26 PM, Montclair BobbyB
montclairbob...@gmail.comwrote:

 It makes one feel kinda like a modern-day Daniel Boone...It's just nice
 having an axe in your saddlebag...
 It also may offer leverage in preventing a potential road-rage incident
 from escalating... hey, I'm just saying...

 BB

 On Monday, July 1, 2013 5:56:23 PM UTC-4, Rex Kerr wrote:


 http://www.rivbike.com/**product-p/axe425.htmhttp://www.rivbike.com/product-p/axe425.htm

 http://store.velo-orange.com/**index.php/camping-axe-by-**bahco.htmlhttp://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/camping-axe-by-bahco.html


 I tend to tour heavy, but not THAT heavy!

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[RBW] Re: I'm not sure I get the connection between bikes and hatchets...

2013-07-01 Thread Joe Bernard
IMO it's more a Grant neat thing made in a little shop in Sweden 
connection than bike connection. I don't quite get it for biking, either, 
but it's an interesting thing to look at/know about which I wouldn't have 
come across any other way.
 
Joe not a hatchet man Bernard
Vallejo, CA.
 
On Monday, July 1, 2013 2:56:23 PM UTC-7, Rex Kerr wrote:


 http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/axe425.htm

 http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/camping-axe-by-bahco.html


 I tend to tour heavy, but not THAT heavy!


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[RBW] Re: I'm not sure I get the connection between bikes and hatchets...

2013-07-01 Thread Garth
Blame it on Monty Python  lol 

I'm a Lumberjack and I'm Okay ... 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zey8567bcg

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[RBW] Re: I'm not sure I get the connection between bikes and hatchets...

2013-07-01 Thread Andy Smitty Schmidt
bamboo boxes probably fall into the same category. Interesting 
none-the-less.

--Smitty


On Monday, July 1, 2013 2:56:23 PM UTC-7, Rex Kerr wrote:


 http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/axe425.htm

 http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/camping-axe-by-bahco.html


 I tend to tour heavy, but not THAT heavy!


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[RBW] Re: I'm not sure I get the connection between bikes and hatchets...

2013-07-01 Thread Matthew J
They are cool.  Hand made.  Too heavy maybe for a multi-day camping trip, 
but GP champions the S240.  For an over nighter, why not bring a fun axe to 
prep your fire?

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 http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/axe425.htm

 http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/camping-axe-by-bahco.html


 I tend to tour heavy, but not THAT heavy!


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[RBW] Re: I'm not sure I get the connection between bikes and hatchets...

2013-07-01 Thread Joe Bernard
Of course, S24O might explain why I don't get it as a cycling tool. I've 
never bike camped, and the image I get of such an endeavor is me in the 
woods with a smartphone, scrolling through Twitter and hoping the scary 
animals don't get me. For a cyclist, I'm not very outdoorsy :)
 
Joe is my room ready Bernard
Vallejo, CA.

On Monday, July 1, 2013 6:11:12 PM UTC-7, Matthew J wrote:

 They are cool.  Hand made.  Too heavy maybe for a multi-day camping trip, 
 but GP champions the S240.  For an over nighter, why not bring a fun axe to 
 prep your fire?

 On Monday, July 1, 2013 4:56:23 PM UTC-5, Rex Kerr wrote:


 http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/axe425.htm

 http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/camping-axe-by-bahco.html


 I tend to tour heavy, but not THAT heavy!



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[RBW] Re: I'm not sure I get the connection between bikes and hatchets...

2013-07-01 Thread justinaugust
Look up Bestmade axe and start shaking your head at fashionjacks. 

-J

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