[RBW] Re: Indian bike names
Jacobus Fanciscus Thorpe I think this should put an end to further discussion. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/tDRTxwmgI64J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Indian bike names
Ok, I am coming into this late but why the LOTR restrictions? If that was the case why dont they have to pay huge money to use the name rivendell? I am sure there is a story I am just ignorant of. Oh and shame Smoothie is taken by SOMA, that would have been a shweet name for the bike. On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 7:54 PM, Bill Carter billcar...@gmail.com wrote: Too bad about the LOTR restriction, by the way. Wouldn't Shadowfax be a terrific bike name? Lord of the horses of Rohan and Gandalf the White's noble steed. On Jan 13, 7:46 pm, Bill Carter billcar...@gmail.com wrote: The Sackvilles were quite grasping and obnoxious, disliked by both Bilbo and Frodo. One of Grant's more tongue-in-cheek allusions I suspect. On Jan 12, 11:55 am, Ryan Ray ryanr...@gmail.com wrote: I was expressing my regret that I didn't buy a bag when they were called Baggins when he corrected me. Actually the Sackvilles were another family in the Shire. Ahhh. All is well.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Indian bike names
The Sackvilles were quite grasping and obnoxious, disliked by both Bilbo and Frodo. One of Grant's more tongue-in-cheek allusions I suspect. On Jan 12, 11:55 am, Ryan Ray ryanr...@gmail.com wrote: I was expressing my regret that I didn't buy a bag when they were called Baggins when he corrected me. Actually the Sackvilles were another family in the Shire. Ahhh. All is well. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Indian bike names
Too bad about the LOTR restriction, by the way. Wouldn't Shadowfax be a terrific bike name? Lord of the horses of Rohan and Gandalf the White's noble steed. On Jan 13, 7:46 pm, Bill Carter billcar...@gmail.com wrote: The Sackvilles were quite grasping and obnoxious, disliked by both Bilbo and Frodo. One of Grant's more tongue-in-cheek allusions I suspect. On Jan 12, 11:55 am, Ryan Ray ryanr...@gmail.com wrote: I was expressing my regret that I didn't buy a bag when they were called Baggins when he corrected me. Actually the Sackvilles were another family in the Shire. Ahhh. All is well.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Indian bike names
On Friday, January 13, 2012 7:54:54 PM UTC-5, Bill Carter wrote: Too bad about the LOTR restriction, by the way. Wouldn't Shadowfax be a terrific bike name? Lord of the horses of Rohan and Gandalf the White's noble steed. On Jan 13, 7:46 pm, Bill Carter billc...@gmail.com wrote: The Sackvilles were quite grasping and obnoxious, disliked by both Bilbo and Frodo. One of Grant's more tongue-in-cheek allusions I suspect. On Jan 12, 11:55 am, Ryan Ray ryan...@gmail.com wrote: I was expressing my regret that I didn't buy a bag when they were called Baggins when he corrected me. Actually the Sackvilles were another family in the Shire. The Sackville-Bagginses, Lotho and his mother Lobelia... Actually, kinda funny, I cringe at the name Sackville... I shouldn't, they're lovely bags, but I've been a huge LotR fan all my life, has always had a bad connotation... But on the other hand, it's a way to reference the Bagginses without calling them Bagginses, I suppose... Trying to stick w/ obscure LotR names that might not bring down the wrath of corporations and movie makers, I might've picked Michael Delving to use instead the name Nigel Smythe. I also thought Mumakil would have been a great name for the Hunqapillar. -L -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/EYd6teBsL6gJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Indian bike names
On Jan 13, 2012, at 8:38 PM, Leslie wrote: On Friday, January 13, 2012 7:54:54 PM UTC-5, Bill Carter wrote: Too bad about the LOTR restriction, by the way. Wouldn't Shadowfax be a terrific bike name? Lord of the horses of Rohan and Gandalf the White's noble steed. On Jan 13, 7:46 pm, Bill Carter billc...@gmail.com wrote: The Sackvilles were quite grasping and obnoxious, disliked by both Bilbo and Frodo. One of Grant's more tongue-in-cheek allusions I suspect. On Jan 12, 11:55 am, Ryan Ray ryan...@gmail.com wrote: I was expressing my regret that I didn't buy a bag when they were called Baggins when he corrected me. Actually the Sackvilles were another family in the Shire. The Sackville-Bagginses, Lotho and his mother Lobelia... Actually, kinda funny, I cringe at the name Sackville... I shouldn't, they're lovely bags, but I've been a huge LotR fan all my life, has always had a bad connotation... But on the other hand, it's a way to reference the Bagginses without calling them Bagginses, I suppose... Trying to stick w/ obscure LotR names that might not bring down the wrath of corporations and movie makers, I might've picked Michael Delving to use instead the name Nigel Smythe. I also thought Mumakil would have been a great name for the Hunqapillar. Old Fatty Lumpkin- somewhat obscure- was paid tribute as well as Tom Bombadil. I enjoyed the Fatty Lumpkin allusion a lot. Mathom might be a good name for something. Mallyrn (or mallorn in the Westron) could be a color choice, perhaps for a rain poncho. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Indian bike names
Excellent thought. More famous than Quickbeam, so probably off the table. I think of Mark Abele's grey Rivendells when I think of a bike called Shadowfax. Philip Philip Williamson www.biketinker.com On Jan 13, 4:54 pm, Bill Carter billcar...@gmail.com wrote: Too bad about the LOTR restriction, by the way. Wouldn't Shadowfax be a terrific bike name? Lord of the horses of Rohan and Gandalf the White's noble steed. On Jan 13, 7:46 pm, Bill Carter billcar...@gmail.com wrote: The Sackvilles were quite grasping and obnoxious, disliked by both Bilbo and Frodo. One of Grant's more tongue-in-cheek allusions I suspect. On Jan 12, 11:55 am, Ryan Ray ryanr...@gmail.com wrote: I was expressing my regret that I didn't buy a bag when they were called Baggins when he corrected me. Actually the Sackvilles were another family in the Shire. Ahhh. All is well.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Indian bike names
I was expressing my regret that I didn't buy a bag when they were called Baggins when he corrected me. Actually the Sackvilles were another family in the Shire. Ahhh. All is well. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/Ki0bkcvc6VAJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Indian bike names
To make both an American citation and recognize cycling prowness of Eddy Merckx I suggest the Alferd Packer, a Roadeo sequelae. ANDY Pittsburgh On Jan 7, 12:25 am, Leslie leslie.bri...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday, January 6, 2012 5:19:36 PM UTC-5, Liesl wrote: This is important. I work with Native people, and appropriation of culture by Euro-Americans without asking is just not a good thing. Note that the University of North Dakota officially discontinued its use of the Fighting Sioux nickname the first of the year. Sorry to get political here, but this is such a respectful community that I feel I should pipe up. -liesl Excellent point, with which I used to agree. And, not that I completely disagree with it now, but my thoughts have evolved. (I hesitate to say, but think I can respectfully do this, and it does relate, given GP's consideration of 'an Indian name'.) So, I'll give it a try... The community I grew up in near here is called Indian Springs (not the one north of Las Vegas); there were springs that the Cherokee used nearby, along the 'Great Warriors Path' (predecessor of the Stage Coach road, an extension of the Fincastle road, that became part of Boone's Wilderness road). My elementary school's mascot was, to no surprise, the 'Redskins'. When I was a kid, we'd play cowboys and Indians, and it wasn't a bad thing to be an Indian. When my father was a boy, he used to hunt for arrowheads along the stream near a known encampment site, that's a couple of miles upstream from where that creek flows past my house. We grew up with a romantic notion of what the 'noble savage' represented. Today, my son's school's mascot is 'the Indians', and the middle school he was in that feeds into it, are also the 'Redskins'. It's a big part of the early history here. It wasn't meant to be disrespectful. Over half of the placenames in the United States come from Native American names. The word 'Indian' itself is being replaced with 'Native American', for the sake of political correctness. All of my ancestors have been in East Tennessee, southwestern Virginia, or western North Carolina since 1800; all were in North America prior to 1776, but some where still on the Chesapeake, or elsewhere on the east coast, at that time. Of those that I've traced back across the Atlantic, I'm predominantly English/Scots-Irish/Welsh, with one originating from Switzerland. The one variant: my paternal grandmother's great-grandmother's mom, and her husband's mom, were Cherokee, part of the ones that remained hidden here when the Trail of Tears occurred; however, they remained away from what became the Eastern Band, and thus aren't on the Dawes rolls. Where I live, there aren't a large number of African-Americans, not as you have elsewhere in the country. There was one black student who was a senior when I was a freshman, and there was a freshman when I was a senior, but I never knew either of them. However, there are plenty of people around here who are racists. I really didn't know anyone who wasn't like me, a 'WASP', when I was growing up, and was actually afraid that, as odd as this might sound, that I might be a racist and not know it, at that point. I went to Parris Island, wide-eyed and apprehensive; and that was where I first got to really know some guys that were black... and they were great fellows. I was actually relieved, and felt foolish for having felt as I did. But later on in infantry school, I met a couple of them weren't. But the twist was, they presumed I was racist because I was a southern white boy, and thought I was out to get them; the table was turned. However, there were plenty of other people who were great, too, and a few others that weren't, and I had the realization: people are people, and you have to take each individual individually on their own merits. After that point, was when I noticed rap starting a transitioning from a 'black-only' thing to a 'whites acting as black', is how I viewed it (I'm sure I was late to this, had happened elsewhere earlier, and, long before with other genre, but, I digress). I frowned on such, not as a anti-African-American thing, but, that, other whites were being disrespectful of 'black culture', because they weren't reserving it for them. I viewed it as, it was wrong for me to be part of that, of being a white guy listening to rap, not out of hate, but because I would be taking something from them. [I can't say that I necessarily could have articulated that at that point, it wasn't a conscious philosophy, just my retrospective view of myself at that time.] But finally it dawned on me at some point along the way, that my view of that, was actually a form of segregation. Not an active, but a passive variety. And not only that, but by allowing, even a passive, segregation, to continue, it could inadvertently allow (not necessarily for myself, but for 'people in general),
[RBW] Re: Indian bike names
I agree with Jeremy and Geoff. This has been one of the more interesting discussions on the forum in quite a while, but Jeremy's suggestion is the best of the bunch. I hope Riv will at least consider looking into it. As Patrick mentions, there are many beautiful Native American tribal names and place names in use here in the southeast where I live, but it only makes sense to look into those closer to RBW territory. On Jan 8, 10:08 pm, Geoff mocha...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi Jeremy, Your quote(partial): I would say that the best way to do it would be to research the peoples native to Rivendell's stomping grounds; maybe use one of the native names for Mt. Diablo, to pay tribute to the terrain that has shaped Rivendell bikes for years. Just mho, but I think that's a great idea. Apparently, there were quite a few local tribes that lived in the area now known as East Contra Costa County and Mount Diablo. Amongst them were the Ohlone, Miwoks, and Yokuts, just to name a few. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Indian bike names
*Abiaka- Seminole Indian medicine man* Though his exploits were not as well publicized, Seminole medicine man Abiaka may have been more important to the internal Seminole war machine than Osceola. Abiaka was a powerful spiritual leader who used his medicine to stir Seminole warriors into a frenzy. His genius directed Seminole gains in several battles, including the 1837 ambush now known as the Battle of Okeechobee. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/Y-Ce7koewkAJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Indian bike names
These lands were once part of Spanish America- lots of hispanic names available too. I think individuals, or dogs, can be filled with fewer landmines. The whole Middle Earth thing is an interesting path (that got the kabash from the Tolkien Estate), for as anyone who's pored over the Readers know, RBW was named after Rivendell Mtnworks. He was paying homage not so much to JRR but to the founder of RMW whose quality, attention to detail and plain ol' goodness he hoped to emulate, he wrote. On Jan 8, 10:30 am, Jeremy Till jeremy.t...@gmail.com wrote: Looking forward to the name as well. I have faith in Grant et al to come up with a good one...but I have to say, it does seem like they've been boxing with one hand tied behind their back since they can't use Middle Earth names anymore. Quickbeam, Legolas, Bombadil--not to mention Baggins bags--those were my favorite. However, I also wanted to say that I was with Liesl and TS in feeling a little bit uncomfortable with some kind essentialized Indian model name (not that that was necessarily the direction things were headed, but the possibility existed). I would say that the best way to do it would be to research the peoples native to Rivendell's stomping grounds; maybe use one of the native names for Mt. Diablo, to pay tribute to the terrain that has shaped Rivendell bikes for years. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Indian bike names
How bout Last of the Mohican's? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/6HfJ2gRJYMcJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Indian bike names
Elmer Templeton? Is that it? I'm guessing there's an Oregon Trail-Ezra Meeker tie-in of some sort given the ethotic (that should be a word) confluence of the RB bike and the native regional influence. And since you guys already passed on the whole Modoc / Kintpuash (Captain Jack) bit, it must be Elmer Templeton. Time will tell. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/21kuSVgsftIJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Indian bike names
Looking forward to the name as well. I have faith in Grant et al to come up with a good one...but I have to say, it does seem like they've been boxing with one hand tied behind their back since they can't use Middle Earth names anymore. Quickbeam, Legolas, Bombadil--not to mention Baggins bags--those were my favorite. However, I also wanted to say that I was with Liesl and TS in feeling a little bit uncomfortable with some kind essentialized Indian model name (not that that was necessarily the direction things were headed, but the possibility existed). I would say that the best way to do it would be to research the peoples native to Rivendell's stomping grounds; maybe use one of the native names for Mt. Diablo, to pay tribute to the terrain that has shaped Rivendell bikes for years. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/xoqbl5D_lxoJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Indian bike names
Hi Jeremy, Your quote(partial): I would say that the best way to do it would be to research the peoples native to Rivendell's stomping grounds; maybe use one of the native names for Mt. Diablo, to pay tribute to the terrain that has shaped Rivendell bikes for years. Just mho, but I think that's a great idea. Apparently, there were quite a few local tribes that lived in the area now known as East Contra Costa County and Mount Diablo. Amongst them were the Ohlone, Miwoks, and Yokuts, just to name a few. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/gMcdqbjOBUYJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Indian bike names
I went to college in a town called Amherst- as awful a name, due to its history, as any word or name that has been appropriated from Native American language.But it's just a name, and better that it be used and not forgotten by the general public than otherwise. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/EB-RYCU2KmoJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Indian bike names
I'm surprised no one in this discussion has mentioned one of Grant's favorite literary characters, Hiawatha. On Jan 6, 11:47 pm, Liesl li...@smm.org wrote: On Jan 6, 10:41 pm, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote: My 2 cents is..I think Native-American traditions and names and such are very cool, and worthy of honor on a bicycle. I hope Grant doesn't get spooked out of it by people claiming he's disrespecting them in some way. Last I heard, stars 'n' stripes motifs on bikes was considered a celebration of America. There ain't nothing more American than the first ones. It can be done in a good way: talk to Native people. Learn what it means to do it in a good way. A bicycle with a given name would be truly wonderful. -liesl -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Indian bike names
Grant did in the original Blug post. On Jan 7, 2012, at 6:51 AM, Bill Carter billcar...@gmail.com wrote: I'm surprised no one in this discussion has mentioned one of Grant's favorite literary characters, Hiawatha. On Jan 6, 11:47 pm, Liesl li...@smm.org wrote: On Jan 6, 10:41 pm, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote: My 2 cents is..I think Native-American traditions and names and such are very cool, and worthy of honor on a bicycle. I hope Grant doesn't get spooked out of it by people claiming he's disrespecting them in some way. Last I heard, stars 'n' stripes motifs on bikes was considered a celebration of America. There ain't nothing more American than the first ones. It can be done in a good way: talk to Native people. Learn what it means to do it in a good way. A bicycle with a given name would be truly wonderful. -liesl -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- To ensure compliance with Treasury Department regulations, we advise you that, unless otherwise expressly indicated, any federal tax advice contained in this message was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (i) avoiding tax-related penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or applicable state or local tax law provisions or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any tax-related matters addressed herein. This email (and any attachments thereto) is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (and any attachments thereto) is strictly prohibited. If you receive this email in error please immediately notify me at (212) 735-3000 and permanently delete the original email (and any copy of any email) and any printout thereof. Further information about the firm, a list of the Partners and their professional qualifications will be provided upon request. == -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Indian bike names
What did I post last night?!?! My apologies! I get to thinking, then writing, and don't stop I start to build foundations of points, and never return to finish them... I'll refrain from late-night postings, and put such on a blog somewhere instead... Hope I didn't upset anyone. -L -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/fFWWM2RkNEwJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Indian bike names
Thanks for pointing that out, I'd missed it. I doubt he'd use the name Hiawatha itself out of consideration for Jim Thill, but it sounds like he may be playing with the idea of using one out of the Longfellow work. It would certainly go along with the use of Rivendell and various product names drawn from Tolkien's books. In fact, I named one of my children using a Tolkien place name, and that was several years before the founding of RBW, so I was not influenced by Grant in doing so. But then everyone knows what they say about great minds. On Jan 7, 9:42 am, Allingham II, Thomas J thomas.alling...@skadden.com wrote: Grant did in the original Blug post. On Jan 7, 2012, at 6:51 AM, Bill Carter billcar...@gmail.com wrote: I'm surprised no one in this discussion has mentioned one of Grant's favorite literary characters, Hiawatha. On Jan 6, 11:47 pm, Liesl li...@smm.org wrote: On Jan 6, 10:41 pm, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote: My 2 cents is..I think Native-American traditions and names and such are very cool, and worthy of honor on a bicycle. I hope Grant doesn't get spooked out of it by people claiming he's disrespecting them in some way. Last I heard, stars 'n' stripes motifs on bikes was considered a celebration of America. There ain't nothing more American than the first ones. It can be done in a good way: talk to Native people. Learn what it means to do it in a good way. A bicycle with a given name would be truly wonderful. -liesl -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. ------ To ensure compliance with Treasury Department regulations, we advise you that, unless otherwise expressly indicated, any federal tax advice contained in this message was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (i) avoiding tax-related penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or applicable state or local tax law provisions or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any tax-related matters addressed herein. This email (and any attachments thereto) is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (and any attachments thereto) is strictly prohibited. If you receive this email in error please immediately notify me at (212) 735-3000 and permanently delete the original email (and any copy of any email) and any printout thereof. Further information about the firm, a list of the Partners and their professional qualifications will be provided upon request. ======- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Indian bike names
Never apologize, and never explain. It's a sign of weakness. I found your post thought-provoking. On Jan 7, 2012, at 10:26 AM, Leslie leslie.bri...@gmail.com wrote: What did I post last night?!?! My apologies! I get to thinking, then writing, and don't stop I start to build foundations of points, and never return to finish them... I'll refrain from late-night postings, and put such on a blog somewhere instead... Hope I didn't upset anyone. -L -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/fFWWM2RkNEwJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- To ensure compliance with Treasury Department regulations, we advise you that, unless otherwise expressly indicated, any federal tax advice contained in this message was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (i) avoiding tax-related penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or applicable state or local tax law provisions or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any tax-related matters addressed herein. This email (and any attachments thereto) is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (and any attachments thereto) is strictly prohibited. If you receive this email in error please immediately notify me at (212) 735-3000 and permanently delete the original email (and any copy of any email) and any printout thereof. Further information about the firm, a list of the Partners and their professional qualifications will be provided upon request. == -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Indian bike names
If the kids' bike re-surfaces, I think Minnehaha sounds about right because kids fall a lot. (OK - so you have to be from Minneapolis to get that one.) Marty -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/GKrrFgn0HHIJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Indian bike names
How about more animal names equus? Cimarron? On Jan 6, 2012 10:03 PM, Allingham II, Thomas J thomas.alling...@skadden.com wrote: -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Indian bike names
The southeast has some of the most beautiful Indian names: Chattahoochee, Amicalola, Hiawassee, Tallulah, Waleska. Monongahela from Pennsylvania -- not to mention Allegheny and Appalachia. Nazlini, Kayenta, Chilchinbito, Teec nos poz, To'Hajiilee (with the Navajo glottal stop), Tohatchi, Dennehotso from the Navajo Nation, not to mention pueblo names like Taos, Sandia, Acoma, Zuni, Zia, Cochiti, Jemez (Spanish pronunciation), Kewa, Laguna. Rivendell needs to come out with its own Muttonmaster bicycle (qv -- interesting story): http://www.thursdaybicycles.com/bicycle_frames/sheep_herding.html On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 8:03 PM, Allingham II, Thomas J thomas.alling...@skadden.com wrote: The Wampanoag name of the leader of the Native American Indian side in King Philip's War against the new England colonists - the bloodiest in New England history - was Metacomet. He wasn't the most admirable character, according to conventional history, but he did fight to the death in a losing cause. And Metacomet sure seems like a great name for a bike! On Jan 6, 2012, at 5:36 PM, islaysteve alkire...@verizon.net wrote: I was thinking along the same lines. (My local football team is the Redskins, if you know what i mean...Not quite the same, No, worse). Thanks for putting it into words with concrete experience to back them up Liesl. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/IuF6CCrDrIoJ https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/IuF6CCrDrIoJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- To ensure compliance with Treasury Department regulations, we advise you that, unless otherwise expressly indicated, any federal tax advice contained in this message was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (i) avoiding tax-related penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or applicable state or local tax law provisions or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any tax-related matters addressed herein. This email (and any attachments thereto) is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (and any attachments thereto) is strictly prohibited. If you receive this email in error please immediately notify me at (212) 735-3000 and permanently delete the original email (and any copy of any email) and any printout thereof. Further information about the firm, a list of the Partners and their professional qualifications will be provided upon request. == -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Indian bike names
Leaving aside the political considerations and treating names of bikes as just names of bikes, for some reason I find super long bicycle names endearing. Kona named a cruiser after the tiny fish humuhumunukunukuapua'a. The Native American placename to fill that spot is clear: Touch not a g! No impious hand Shall wrest one from that noble name Fifteen in all their glory stand And ever shall the same. For never shall that number down, Tho Gogg and Magogg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gog_and_Magog shout and thunder; Chargoggagoggmanchauggagoggchaubunagungamaugg's renown Shall blaze, the beacon of the town, While nations gaze and wonder. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Chaubunagungamaug#cite_note-9 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/A92OXwXavxEJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Indian bike names
Don't some native american tribes now own gambling casinos? They sure sell alot of cigarettes. If you can't lickem you might as well join em. I'd stick to animal names. Saluki was a great name. Check out the great Youtube videos of these dogs running. We all know how well GPs bikes ride. A word that describes the ride on one of his bikes works for me. Animals are not opinionated or judgemental. The Washington Redskins has never sat well with native americans,or the malt liquor named after a Native American. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/Tt0WPzD7R2IJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Indian bike names
...I'd stick to animal names. Saluki was a great name... Hey, hey, hey! Can it be my little Havanese? His name is Kozmo. On Jan 7, 12:21 pm, hobie moho1...@yahoo.com wrote: Don't some native american tribes now own gambling casinos? They sure sell alot of cigarettes. If you can't lickem you might as well join em. I'd stick to animal names. Saluki was a great name. Check out the great Youtube videos of these dogs running. We all know how well GPs bikes ride. A word that describes the ride on one of his bikes works for me. Animals are not opinionated or judgemental. The Washington Redskins has never sat well with native americans,or the malt liquor named after a Native American. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Indian bike names
I kinda doubt anyone considers Redskins an appropriate moniker these days - which G mentioned - so to relate it to the topic of Indian names he might use is a little silly. Correlating names to cigarette sales is a bit much, also. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/_tYCGL-3a6IJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Indian bike names
Ask any living relatives--I wanted to BE an Indian when I was a kid. Read all about them, was one for Halloween a lot. Know they got super shafted. Don't feel personally responsible for that, but am no less ashamed on behalf of us anybodys for it for being out of the loop. Still like Rosco Bubbe, Bosco Rubbebut last night at about 11:10 as I was about to turn off, ZING came a good name over the ethernet, and I can't say what it is, but the guy who suggested it has been thanked and privately acknowledged, and usually I don't run names by too many Rivemps, but this one I did--kinda because I couldn't contain myself and wanted to share it---and so far, Keven and Elizabeth are gung ho 'bout it. The frame/bike itself is the real critical thing, and I've got three things up in the air about that, but I think we have a good name. It isIndianesque. Not recognizable as Indian at all, unless you already know. I didn't, and I'd have gobbled it up even if were far from Indiany. Long and interesting. Easy to pronounce, hard to mispronounce. Fitting for a bicycle (that's never mattered before, although Saluki was, too). I'm not trying to fan the flames, not playing tricks of any sort. Just reporting that there's a name out there that I betevery one of you (yes, pal Liesl, justifiably famed Riv Chica Warrior (uh-oh!) included) will like. Seriously, a real goody. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Indian bike names
Just reporting that there's a name out there that I betevery one of you (yes, pal Liesl, justifiably famed Riv Chica Warrior (uh- oh!) included) will like. Seriously, a real goody. I have great trust and can't wait. -Riv Chica Warrior -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Indian bike names
for the name, that is! -liesl -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Indian bike names
Ya know, Riv Chica Warrior would be a GREAT mixte.. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/aloJIo4-l8IJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Indian bike names
I'm rooting for King Philip's War as a bike name. On Jan 7, 9:13 pm, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote: Ya know, Riv Chica Warrior would be a GREAT mixte.. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Indian bike names
Those are nice ones. I really like Bois Forte. However, contra the Calumet example, if it's still solely associated with the tribe it may not be available. And this is my last one (ok, no promises ;-)) if Tippecanoe is too cute sounding, may I suggest Wabash. Terre haute (high ground), -Allan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/q-Rrt8enniUJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Indian bike names
I'm with Robert and Joe on this one - Arrowhead or something along those lines. I think that'd be a very cool name and a refreshing change (in my humble opinion) from the oddball person names Rivendell has been using of late. (Give me Saluki any day over A. Homer Hilsen - but then I have a vested interest in that one). John -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Indian bike names
Are these tribes still extant? I wonder what it'd be like for a member of a tribe to see a bike named after his or her people. Would it be like seeing: FS: 56cm Englishman Anyone put Hetres on a German? I really regret selling my Japanese. My new Canadian just isn't the same. Stolen Egyptian American vs Russian: which should I buy Happy Friday! :-) ts On Jan 6, 6:53 am, jimD rasterd...@comcast.net wrote: Given the name/trademark lawyerly things that Riv has run into with bike names, Calumet might be a problem. When photography was based on silver halide and chemistry I knew Calumet as a respected business particularly for photo accessory/widgets. Oh I just checked they are still at it (http://www.calumetphoto.co.uk/eng/browse/brands/calumet). -JimD On Jan 5, 2012, at 9:19 PM, Allan in Portland wrote: Perhaps this gives away my NW Indiana roots, but I gotta say Calumet would be kinda nice for a bike name. However, those who've never made steel from ore, or known someone that knew someone who did, probably wouldn't get it. So... staying with my Indiana roots as root for good indian names, but aiming a little less esoteric, I'm not sure one could do better for a bike than Tippicanoe. It rolls off the tongue. It's fun to say. Friends and strangers alike won't be able to resist adding and Tyler too every time they see you with your new bike. Regards, -Allan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visithttps://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/FyUEz0Ug4aEJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Indian bike names
Well, this'll give away my own NE Indiana roots, but I'll opt for Little Turtle. He was Miami Tribe leader during the early settling of the upper Midwest and figured into the French-Indian War and the War of 1812. I especially liked him because he was clever enough to realize that he could charge a toll for those traders needing to portage from the Maumee River to the Wabash River in order to continue their travels West. My second favorite would be Tecumseh, but I suppose that would sound too much like a lawn mower engine and would probably initiate a copyright suit. You can read lots about either of these two on the Web On Jan 5, 11:19 pm, Allan in Portland allan_f...@aracnet.com wrote: Perhaps this gives away my NW Indiana roots, but I gotta say Calumet would be kinda nice for a bike name. However, those who've never made steel from ore, or known someone that knew someone who did, probably wouldn't gethttp://www.google.com/search?q=calumet+indianait. So... staying with my Indiana roots as root for good indian names, but aiming a little less esoteric, I'm not sure one could do better for a bike than Tippicanoe. It rolls off the tongue. It's fun to say. Friends and strangers alike won't be able to resist adding and Tyler too every time they see you with your new bike. Regards, -Allan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Indian bike names
One problem as I see it with that name- How was the ride? Arrowing. (With apologies to Yellow Submarine.) Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Jan 6, 10:59 am, John Price lindapri...@comcast.net wrote: I'm with Robert and Joe on this one - Arrowhead or something along those lines. I think that'd be a very cool name and a refreshing change (in my humble opinion) from the oddball person names Rivendell has been using of late. (Give me Saluki any day over A. Homer Hilsen - but then I have a vested interest in that one). John -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Indian bike names
I don't think GP will like it, but I think Chief would be great. The long and laid-back nature of bike makes me think of someone who's entitled to take their time... The back-up bars also remind me of this: http://www.indianmotorcycle.com/en-us/experience/history/pages/vintage-news.aspx And the asymmetric seatstay braces seem to have been formed by the wind, kind of like the old motorcycles: http://www.kiwiindian.com/gallery/Vintage/index.php?image=7 Just my 2c. -Pete -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/r-nt0ySSvBEJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Indian bike names
On Jan 6, 11:07 am, TSW tsesun...@gmail.com wrote: Are these tribes still extant? I wonder what it'd be like for a member of a tribe to see a bike named after his or her people. Would it be like seeing: FS: 56cm Englishman Anyone put Hetres on a German? I really regret selling my Japanese. My new Canadian just isn't the same. Stolen Egyptian American vs Russian: which should I buy? This is important. I work with Native people, and appropriation of culture by Euro-Americans without asking is just not a good thing. Note that the University of North Dakota officially discontinued its use of the Fighting Sioux nickname the first of the year. Sorry to get political here, but this is such a respectful community that I feel I should pipe up. -liesl -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Indian bike names
I was thinking along the same lines. (My local football team is the Redskins, if you know what i mean...Not quite the same, No, worse). Thanks for putting it into words with concrete experience to back them up Liesl. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/IuF6CCrDrIoJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Indian bike names
The Wampanoag name of the leader of the Native American Indian side in King Philip's War against the new England colonists - the bloodiest in New England history - was Metacomet. He wasn't the most admirable character, according to conventional history, but he did fight to the death in a losing cause. And Metacomet sure seems like a great name for a bike! On Jan 6, 2012, at 5:36 PM, islaysteve alkire...@verizon.netmailto:alkire...@verizon.net wrote: I was thinking along the same lines. (My local football team is the Redskins, if you know what i mean...Not quite the same, No, worse). Thanks for putting it into words with concrete experience to back them up Liesl. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/IuF6CCrDrIoJ https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/IuF6CCrDrIoJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.commailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.commailto:rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- To ensure compliance with Treasury Department regulations, we advise you that, unless otherwise expressly indicated, any federal tax advice contained in this message was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (i) avoiding tax-related penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or applicable state or local tax law provisions or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any tax-related matters addressed herein. This email (and any attachments thereto) is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (and any attachments thereto) is strictly prohibited. If you receive this email in error please immediately notify me at (212) 735-3000 and permanently delete the original email (and any copy of any email) and any printout thereof. Further information about the firm, a list of the Partners and their professional qualifications will be provided upon request. == -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Indian bike names
My 2 cents is..I think Native-American traditions and names and such are very cool, and worthy of honor on a bicycle. I hope Grant doesn't get spooked out of it by people claiming he's disrespecting them in some way. Last I heard, stars 'n' stripes motifs on bikes was considered a celebration of America. There ain't nothing more American than the first ones. Joe I'd put a deposit on an Arrowhead tomorrow Bernard Vallejo, CA. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/QabxMlgKXZYJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Indian bike names
On Jan 6, 10:41 pm, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote: My 2 cents is..I think Native-American traditions and names and such are very cool, and worthy of honor on a bicycle. I hope Grant doesn't get spooked out of it by people claiming he's disrespecting them in some way. Last I heard, stars 'n' stripes motifs on bikes was considered a celebration of America. There ain't nothing more American than the first ones. It can be done in a good way: talk to Native people. Learn what it means to do it in a good way. A bicycle with a given name would be truly wonderful. -liesl -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Indian bike names
On Friday, January 6, 2012 5:19:36 PM UTC-5, Liesl wrote: This is important. I work with Native people, and appropriation of culture by Euro-Americans without asking is just not a good thing. Note that the University of North Dakota officially discontinued its use of the Fighting Sioux nickname the first of the year. Sorry to get political here, but this is such a respectful community that I feel I should pipe up. -liesl Excellent point, with which I used to agree. And, not that I completely disagree with it now, but my thoughts have evolved. (I hesitate to say, but think I can respectfully do this, and it does relate, given GP's consideration of 'an Indian name'.) So, I'll give it a try... The community I grew up in near here is called Indian Springs (not the one north of Las Vegas); there were springs that the Cherokee used nearby, along the 'Great Warriors Path' (predecessor of the Stage Coach road, an extension of the Fincastle road, that became part of Boone's Wilderness road). My elementary school's mascot was, to no surprise, the 'Redskins'. When I was a kid, we'd play cowboys and Indians, and it wasn't a bad thing to be an Indian. When my father was a boy, he used to hunt for arrowheads along the stream near a known encampment site, that's a couple of miles upstream from where that creek flows past my house. We grew up with a romantic notion of what the 'noble savage' represented. Today, my son's school's mascot is 'the Indians', and the middle school he was in that feeds into it, are also the 'Redskins'. It's a big part of the early history here. It wasn't meant to be disrespectful. Over half of the placenames in the United States come from Native American names. The word 'Indian' itself is being replaced with 'Native American', for the sake of political correctness. All of my ancestors have been in East Tennessee, southwestern Virginia, or western North Carolina since 1800; all were in North America prior to 1776, but some where still on the Chesapeake, or elsewhere on the east coast, at that time. Of those that I've traced back across the Atlantic, I'm predominantly English/Scots-Irish/Welsh, with one originating from Switzerland. The one variant: my paternal grandmother's great-grandmother's mom, and her husband's mom, were Cherokee, part of the ones that remained hidden here when the Trail of Tears occurred; however, they remained away from what became the Eastern Band, and thus aren't on the Dawes rolls. Where I live, there aren't a large number of African-Americans, not as you have elsewhere in the country. There was one black student who was a senior when I was a freshman, and there was a freshman when I was a senior, but I never knew either of them. However, there are plenty of people around here who are racists. I really didn't know anyone who wasn't like me, a 'WASP', when I was growing up, and was actually afraid that, as odd as this might sound, that I might be a racist and not know it, at that point. I went to Parris Island, wide-eyed and apprehensive; and that was where I first got to really know some guys that were black... and they were great fellows. I was actually relieved, and felt foolish for having felt as I did. But later on in infantry school, I met a couple of them weren't. But the twist was, they presumed I was racist because I was a southern white boy, and thought I was out to get them; the table was turned. However, there were plenty of other people who were great, too, and a few others that weren't, and I had the realization: people are people, and you have to take each individual individually on their own merits. After that point, was when I noticed rap starting a transitioning from a 'black-only' thing to a 'whites acting as black', is how I viewed it (I'm sure I was late to this, had happened elsewhere earlier, and, long before with other genre, but, I digress). I frowned on such, not as a anti-African-American thing, but, that, other whites were being disrespectful of 'black culture', because they weren't reserving it for them. I viewed it as, it was wrong for me to be part of that, of being a white guy listening to rap, not out of hate, but because I would be taking something from them. [I can't say that I necessarily could have articulated that at that point, it wasn't a conscious philosophy, just my retrospective view of myself at that time.] But finally it dawned on me at some point along the way, that my view of that, was actually a form of segregation. Not an active, but a passive variety. And not only that, but by allowing, even a passive, segregation, to continue, it could inadvertently allow (not necessarily for myself, but for 'people in general), a fertile ground to nurture an underlying racism, by having that segregation keep an understanding of other cultures from developing. If you're a part of it, you're not going to throw stones at
[RBW] Re: Indian bike names
Ugh. Of course you'll have to put up with the repeated miss-spellings of it on the interwebs. Could give eBay and Craigslist bloodhounds something to keep themselves doubly busy with. ...shouldda been Tippecanoe -Allan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/C0xiepr0DScJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Indian bike names
There are a couple of Northern MN tribes that may qualify good naming. While Fond Du Lac may be more steel friendly in that they are in the iron range county of Cloquet near Duluth, I prefer the Bois Forte name for its translation as strong wood. Seems to fit the steel/leather product motif. http://www.indianaffairs.state.mn.us/tribes_fonddulac.html http://www.indianaffairs.state.mn.us/tribes_boisforte.html These pages also have great inspiration for headbadgery! Brian Hanson Former Minnesotan now of Seattle, WA On Jan 5, 2012, at 9:24 PM, Allan in Portland allan_f...@aracnet.com wrote: Ugh. Of course you'll have to put up with the repeated miss-spellings of it on the interwebs. Could give eBay and Craigslist bloodhounds something to keep themselves doubly busy with. ...shouldda been Tippecanoe -Allan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/C0xiepr0DScJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
