[RBW] Re: Let's See Some Clem/Clementine Pics

[Edwin W]

I haven't measured his PBH, but he's 9. I think he is about 4'6". It's a 
stretch, literally, but he rode all over town today. The only way I could 
(barely) justify it is that his two brothers will ride it, too, as they age up. 
And that it is awesome. 
At the record shop there is a guy who rides a Romulus and an Atlantis and 
another guy who just signed up for a Joe. 
Nashville is getting into Rivs!

Edwin

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[RBW] Re: Let's See Some Clem/Clementine Pics

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Wow. That is one lucky kid! How old is he, and how tall? I may have to get 
back on the list for my little guy.

On Friday, November 27, 2015 at 5:21:37 PM UTC-5, Edwin W wrote:
>
> On Tuesday, November 3, 2015 at 11:30:06 AM UTC-6, RDS wrote: 
> > I was just curious to see how all of the colors turned out for each 
> model.  Please, let's see some pics whether bike or frame. 
>
> 1st ride today!

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[RBW] Re: Let's See Some Clem/Clementine Pics

[islaysteve]

El Sapo,  Your photo shows the color well, and the color is great, IMO.  
Regarding indexing, you should be able to index by installing most any 
Shimano/SRAM compatible indexing shifter, compatible with number of rear 
cogs,which in your case is probably 9, but check.  You will have many choices, 
not all expensive. Make sure they will fit your bar diameter.  Any good shop 
will be able to help you.  Riv is not into indexing, but I'm sure that the good 
folks there could also give you info and advise.  The Rivish method would be to 
install some indexing shifters like Shimano barcons on Paul Thumbies.  But that 
is a more expensive solution.  Lots of folks here index and I'm sure they will 
correct me if I've given any misinformation.  Enjoy your new bike!
Steve



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[RBW] Re: Let's See Some Clem/Clementine Pics

[Bob Ehrenbeck]

Thanks all for posting these photos! It's great to see the different colors 
and the various build concepts -- very inspiring!

Here's a set of pictures of the build progress on my 52 grey Clem frame; 
it's gotten to a state where it now looks like a bike. I still need to 
decide on the rest of the drivetrain -- I have an 8-speed 12-26 cassette in 
the rear (want to go the friction route), thinking that I'd get the Sugino 
40/26 double, but then the 1x setups that I'm seeing intrigue 
me. Decisions, decisions!

 https://www.flickr.com/photos/30490050@N04/albums/72157659062048963

Bob E

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RE: [RBW] Re: Let's See Some Clem/Clementine Pics

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

GREAT pic!

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Subject: [RBW] Re: Let's See Some Clem/Clementine Pics

I had to try editing one shot

On Tuesday, November 3, 2015 at 9:30:06 AM UTC-8, RDS wrote:
I was just curious to see how all of the colors turned out for each model.  
Please, let's see some pics whether bike or frame.
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[RBW] Re: Let's See Some Clem/Clementine Pics

[Shoji Takahashi]

That blue is terrific. I like those bullmoose, too. 

On Tuesday, November 17, 2015 at 9:42:08 PM UTC-5, ian m wrote:
>
>
> 
> I was looking forward to naming this Mt Clem or something with the 
> choose-your-own-Clem-name decals but the new blue paint really makes up for 
> it. Built it all up last night and lost steam once I got to trimming the 
> rear fender stays. Rides like a dream
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, November 3, 2015 at 12:30:06 PM UTC-5, RDS wrote:
>>
>> I was just curious to see how all of the colors turned out for each 
>> model.  Please, let's see some pics whether bike or frame.
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Let's See Some Clem/Clementine Pics

[Zed Martinez]

Woo! Another sportier build. How's it ride with the mountain-y bars on that 
long TT?

On Tuesday, November 17, 2015 at 9:42:08 PM UTC-5, ian m wrote:
>
>
> 
> I was looking forward to naming this Mt Clem or something with the 
> choose-your-own-Clem-name decals but the new blue paint really makes up for 
> it. Built it all up last night and lost steam once I got to trimming the 
> rear fender stays. Rides like a dream
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, November 3, 2015 at 12:30:06 PM UTC-5, RDS wrote:
>>
>> I was just curious to see how all of the colors turned out for each 
>> model.  Please, let's see some pics whether bike or frame.
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Let's See Some Clem/Clementine Pics

[John A. Bennett]

And here's a showroom full of Clems and Clementines at Rivelo in Portland, 
Oregon.

https://www.instagram.com/p/-HwMSWmT-Q/?taken-by=rivelo_pdx

"Come on by"or make that "come on, buy."

Cheers,

John



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> I was just curious to see how all of the colors turned out for each 
> model.  Please, let's see some pics whether bike or frame.
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[RBW] Re: Let's See Some Clem/Clementine Pics

[Bill Lindsay]

Including 52's, it seems!  

On Wednesday, November 18, 2015 at 3:28:36 PM UTC-8, John A. Bennett wrote:
>
> And here's a showroom full of Clems and Clementines at Rivelo in Portland, 
> Oregon.
>
> https://www.instagram.com/p/-HwMSWmT-Q/?taken-by=rivelo_pdx
>
> "Come on by"or make that "come on, buy."
>
> Cheers,
>
> John
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, November 3, 2015 at 9:30:06 AM UTC-8, RDS wrote:
>>
>> I was just curious to see how all of the colors turned out for each 
>> model.  Please, let's see some pics whether bike or frame.
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Let's See Some Clem/Clementine Pics

[John A. Bennett]

Here's Jessica at Rivelo in Portland with her orange 52cm Clementine. 

https://www.instagram.com/p/-C6MSlmT8I/?taken-by=rivelo_pdx

Cheers,

John



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> I was just curious to see how all of the colors turned out for each 
> model.  Please, let's see some pics whether bike or frame.
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[RBW] Re: Let's See Some Clem/Clementine Pics

[ian m]

I was looking forward to naming this Mt Clem or something with the 
choose-your-own-Clem-name decals but the new blue paint really makes up for 
it. Built it all up last night and lost steam once I got to trimming the 
rear fender stays. Rides like a dream



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> I was just curious to see how all of the colors turned out for each 
> model.  Please, let's see some pics whether bike or frame.
>

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RE: [RBW] Re: Let's See Some Clem/Clementine Pics

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

Beautiful bike(s), Tony!  My wife's Clementine frame arrived Friday – now I 
have to get it built up, and Erika's bike is an excellent inspiration.

p.s.  Is that a Tom Ritchey stem?  Sweet.

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Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2015 2:14 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch
Subject: [RBW] Re: Let's See Some Clem/Clementine Pics


I meant to add a picture as well;

[https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-YG2fEPZ0y-w/VkeH81YxMyI/LK0/nFsjSwDPAmc/s400/DSC_0346.jpg]<https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-YG2fEPZ0y-w/VkeH81YxMyI/LK0/nFsjSwDPAmc/s1600/DSC_0346.jpg>


On Saturday, November 14, 2015 at 2:13:12 PM UTC-5, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
http://dr2dc.blogspot.com/2015/11/clem-complete.html

Erika's bike is functionally complete, time to go for a ride.  Glamour shots 
alongside it's inspiration in build-up, my Saluki-commuter.  I love how 
versatile the 52cm Clementine is, I find it perfectly comfortable with just a 
seatpost adjustment to ride it and so does my wife (5'5" vs 6'0").  That's a 
huge plus.  Only wrinkle in the good feelings is I broke off a screw in one of 
the rear braze ons, then broke of a drill bit trying to remove it...  lesson 
learned is that all threads need to be chased before use on my Clementine at 
least.  I had a fairly significant amount of paint that needed removing.  
Luckily their's 4 sets of braze on's back there...

Off for a ride to a late lunch on these two bikes!
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Re: [RBW] Re: Let's See Some Clem/Clementine Pics

[Tony DeFilippo]

Thanks Tom!  Enjoy the build in your bike-palace! I can't wait to see the 
pictures.

That is a Ritchey stem stolen off a MB-3 that I think it was original to, 
along w/ the deore crank.  

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[RBW] Re: Let's See Some Clem/Clementine Pics

[Jonathan in Ri]

Shipping details arrived via email today. My Clem will get here next Friday

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[RBW] Re: Let's See Some Clem/Clementine Pics

[Tony DeFilippo]

I meant to add a picture as well;




On Saturday, November 14, 2015 at 2:13:12 PM UTC-5, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>
> http://dr2dc.blogspot.com/2015/11/clem-complete.html
>
> Erika's bike is functionally complete, time to go for a ride.  Glamour 
> shots alongside it's inspiration in build-up, my Saluki-commuter.  I love 
> how versatile the 52cm Clementine is, I find it perfectly comfortable with 
> just a seatpost adjustment to ride it and so does my wife (5'5" vs 6'0"). 
>  That's a huge plus.  Only wrinkle in the good feelings is I broke off a 
> screw in one of the rear braze ons, then broke of a drill bit trying to 
> remove it...  lesson learned is that all threads need to be chased before 
> use on my Clementine at least.  I had a fairly significant amount of paint 
> that needed removing.  Luckily their's 4 sets of braze on's back there...
>
> Off for a ride to a late lunch on these two bikes!
>

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[RBW] Re: Let's See Some Clem/Clementine Pics

[Tony DeFilippo]

http://dr2dc.blogspot.com/2015/11/clem-complete.html

Erika's bike is functionally complete, time to go for a ride.  Glamour 
shots alongside it's inspiration in build-up, my Saluki-commuter.  I love 
how versatile the 52cm Clementine is, I find it perfectly comfortable with 
just a seatpost adjustment to ride it and so does my wife (5'5" vs 6'0"). 
 That's a huge plus.  Only wrinkle in the good feelings is I broke off a 
screw in one of the rear braze ons, then broke of a drill bit trying to 
remove it...  lesson learned is that all threads need to be chased before 
use on my Clementine at least.  I had a fairly significant amount of paint 
that needed removing.  Luckily their's 4 sets of braze on's back there...

Off for a ride to a late lunch on these two bikes!

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[RBW] Re: Let's See Some Clem/Clementine Pics

[Zed Martinez]

I suppose we could always chop off the plastic receiving clip from the 
bracket and epoxy it onto a small hose clamp. Wouldn't be pretty, but man 
that'd be a good fit for a rack mount ;)

On Thursday, November 12, 2015 at 11:51:07 PM UTC-5, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>
> Thanks Zed. I do the electric thing with my cygo too. Even with the double 
> bit of rubber it is too loose on most every bar. I don't get why they make 
> it like that. But getting down to rack diameters...wish these light 
> companies would make a better range of interchangeable mounts.
>
> On Wednesday, November 11, 2015 at 10:37:49 PM UTC-5, Zed Martinez wrote:
>>
>> Mark, it's just a Cygolite OSP with external pack, a discontinued model 
>> (picked it up on clearance at some point for peanuts) but I think the 
>> Mitycross line is the same stuff. It's just a handlebar mount, but even 
>> with the provided padding I couldn't quite get it tight enough so I just 
>> used some electrical tape to help me wrap another thin piece of rubber 
>> padding from some other light mount around to make the tubing a fatter 
>> diameter there. After a couple of rounds of trial and error I got just the 
>> right fatness for the clamp to catch properly. It's more secure than it 
>> looks like it oughtta be, Then I just strap the pack to the front of the 
>> rack on the underside. Like this:
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 11, 2015 at 10:09:33 PM UTC-5, Mark in Beacon 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Zed, what is the light you are using here? How is it clamping to rack 
>>> diameter tubing? Thanks!
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, November 11, 2015 at 11:00:28 AM UTC-5, Zed Martinez wrote:



 Here's a shot of the final setup regarding that:


 





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[RBW] Re: Let's See Some Clem/Clementine Pics

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I'm getting a  52 Clementine complete build in gloss black as well. That is 
one fun-looking bicycle, and classy, too!  I am getting antsy!

On Thursday, November 12, 2015 at 10:03:46 AM UTC-5, jandrews_nyc wrote:
>
>
> 
>
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Let's See Some Clem/Clementine Pics

[Tony DeFilippo]

Ryan that sounds great! Maybe early the week of thanksgiving...  I'll hit you 
up off list.  I also have to figure  out how to ask my wife to borrow her new 
ride for a day! :)

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[RBW] Re: Let's See Some Clem/Clementine Pics

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Thanks Zed. I do the electric thing with my cygo too. Even with the double 
bit of rubber it is too loose on most every bar. I don't get why they make 
it like that. But getting down to rack diameters...wish these light 
companies would make a better range of interchangeable mounts.

On Wednesday, November 11, 2015 at 10:37:49 PM UTC-5, Zed Martinez wrote:
>
> Mark, it's just a Cygolite OSP with external pack, a discontinued model 
> (picked it up on clearance at some point for peanuts) but I think the 
> Mitycross line is the same stuff. It's just a handlebar mount, but even 
> with the provided padding I couldn't quite get it tight enough so I just 
> used some electrical tape to help me wrap another thin piece of rubber 
> padding from some other light mount around to make the tubing a fatter 
> diameter there. After a couple of rounds of trial and error I got just the 
> right fatness for the clamp to catch properly. It's more secure than it 
> looks like it oughtta be, Then I just strap the pack to the front of the 
> rack on the underside. Like this:
>
>
> 
>
>
> On Wednesday, November 11, 2015 at 10:09:33 PM UTC-5, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>>
>> Zed, what is the light you are using here? How is it clamping to rack 
>> diameter tubing? Thanks!
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 11, 2015 at 11:00:28 AM UTC-5, Zed Martinez wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Here's a shot of the final setup regarding that:
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Let's See Some Clem/Clementine Pics

[RDS]

What width tires comes stock on the complete Clem size 52?

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> I was just curious to see how all of the colors turned out for each 
> model.  Please, let's see some pics whether bike or frame.
>

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[RBW] Re: Let's See Some Clem/Clementine Pics

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[RBW] Re: Let's See Some Clem/Clementine Pics

[Edwin W]

Here  
is a Flikr album of the few photos I have taken.

Edwin

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[RBW] Re: Let's See Some Clem/Clementine Pics

[Edwin W]

OK! Getting there. Need to wrap grips and get a bell, need a mm or so of 
spacing at the bashguard so the chain doesn't rub... some other fine tuning 
is needed, I am sure. The basket is probably too big, but my son said he 
liked it this morning so we can hold on to it for awhile. 
Setting up the front brakes AFTER I had installed the rack was not very 
smart. first I found out that I needed to flip the connecting plate to get 
under the wire and there just was not a lot of room to maneuver.

Thanks everyone for their advice and help. I probably spent 20 hours doing 
what a good mechanic could do in 2, but if I only value myself at $1 an 
hour (that is generous) I saved a lot of money. Kidding aside, this is my 
second full build and it helped me learn a lot.






Edwin

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[RBW] Re: Let's See Some Clem/Clementine Pics

[Zed Martinez]

Looking good, Edwin!. I like how even in different builds these Clems tend 
to just have a good solid "bikeyness" to them. They're never really any 
particular type of bike, just, yanno, a bike.

As an update on mine with the albastache, I was finally able to get back on 
it this morning after a few days off from a leg injury. In the meanwhile, I 
switched to an 80mm dirt drop stem I got off another group member, and it 
works exactly as advertised when paired with the albstache. Tall and close. 
I probably could have lived with the 80mm Technomic, it was comfy and fine, 
but it was biased a bit more towards the sporty end, and felt just a bit 
short of comfy upright back in the wings. Not a problem now. In the wings 
it has a very north roads upright feel, I have a back angle maybe somewhere 
in the 70 degree range. Pleasant for slowing down and taking things in. But 
unlike the north roads I have the spots through the hooks, and then on the 
brake bodies was great this morning ducking out of an annoying cold 
headwind. Not as fast as when my bars were much lower, but enough to 
nullify the wind, and having the comfy upright at the ends now is a good 
compromise.

Here's a shot of the final setup regarding that:




The bars sure look way the heck up there in that shot, but they don't ride 
like it at all. In the hooks I really feel more like I'm on a sportier flat 
bar bike. Brilliantly weird geometry, these Clems.


The one other thing I have to do (and warn about, I suppose) is switch out 
my front canti for a low profile I have arriving this evening. On the 52cm 
frame, the wide frog-leg cantis do clear the Surly rack just fine, but 
they're right smack dab in the way of hanging my panniers in either the low 
or high spots. D'oh! Throwing a cheap Oryx on there for now while the bike 
is just pulling the usual light duty. I'll see about saving up for a Paul 
maybe down the road, or if I'm feeling like spending way too much just for 
aesthetics maybe I'll buy the matching Grand Cru Zeste low profiles and 
just deal with having two sets of high/low profile cantis. Seriously, why 
doesn't VO sell those by the wheel, anyway?


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> Here  
> is a Flikr album of the few photos I have taken.
>
> Edwin
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[RBW] Re: Let's See Some Clem/Clementine Pics

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Zed, what is the light you are using here? How is it clamping to rack 
diameter tubing? Thanks!

On Wednesday, November 11, 2015 at 11:00:28 AM UTC-5, Zed Martinez wrote:
>
>
>
> Here's a shot of the final setup regarding that:
>
>
> 
>
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Let's See Some Clem/Clementine Pics

[Zed Martinez]

Mark, it's just a Cygolite OSP with external pack, a discontinued model 
(picked it up on clearance at some point for peanuts) but I think the 
Mitycross line is the same stuff. It's just a handlebar mount, but even 
with the provided padding I couldn't quite get it tight enough so I just 
used some electrical tape to help me wrap another thin piece of rubber 
padding from some other light mount around to make the tubing a fatter 
diameter there. After a couple of rounds of trial and error I got just the 
right fatness for the clamp to catch properly. It's more secure than it 
looks like it oughtta be, Then I just strap the pack to the front of the 
rack on the underside. Like this:




On Wednesday, November 11, 2015 at 10:09:33 PM UTC-5, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>
> Zed, what is the light you are using here? How is it clamping to rack 
> diameter tubing? Thanks!
>
> On Wednesday, November 11, 2015 at 11:00:28 AM UTC-5, Zed Martinez wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Here's a shot of the final setup regarding that:
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Let's See Some Clem/Clementine Pics

[Ryan Thompson]

Hey Tony we should meet at the Navy Yard sometime when I ride my Cheviot in. 
I'd love to see the Clementine orange next to my Chev's orange. 

Ryan

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[RBW] Re: Let's See Some Clem/Clementine Pics

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hi Tim. Did you try the stock saddle? Any thoughts if so?

I'm curious as to how upright this is going to be. I thought I was kinda 
upright on my Le Tour mixte with albas, and a while back I commuted on a 
Schwinn Suburban for a year. Ditto with a classic Raleigh three speed. But 
these were all relative to a drop bar an inch or more below saddle height. 
Are the Clems are in another league? I guess the Dutch style, which I have 
never really ridden? 

On Monday, November 9, 2015 at 10:05:27 PM UTC-5, Tim Wood wrote:
>
> On Monday, November 9, 2015 at 2:48:32 PM UTC-8, Jonathan in Ri wrote:
> > Thanks for posting pics of the grey. I ordered a complete Clem Smith in 
> the same color. Trying not to get too anxious.
>
> Well, the day finally came and I couldn't be happier. The fit, the colour, 
> the ride!  They nailed this bike. It rolls over everything, climbs 
> surprisingly well, and is silent as can be. Still getting use to the 
> shifters but that'll come. Put a nice Z-shaped scratch down the length of 
> my seat post while setting it up - doh!  
>
> A couple pictures, taken in the evening, sorry for the quality. For any 
> fit reference, my saddle height in these pics is 79cm. My pbh is 90.  I had 
> been worried about standover but it isn't an issue. I measure it at 34.25" 
> with the stock 29x2.0 tires inflated to 40psi. The brochure said 34.75", 
> maybe that is with the max 60c tires?  Either way, I'm able to straddle the 
> bike comfortably at lights. Also the long top tube is not an issue, 
> especially with the boscos. I'm not use to being so upright, and would even 
> consider switching to an albatross or a moustache down the road. 
>
> K, gotta go, off for a night ride!
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Let's See Some Clem/Clementine Pics

[Zed Martinez]

Hey Mark,

I can't speak to the stock boscos obviously on my build, but I can say 
there often seems to be some confusion about upright posture and "Dutch" 
style. If you look at an omafiets, you'll see the saddle is rather low, and 
the handlebars quite high and very close. They have rather short top tubes. 
The closest American thing are usually whatever the cheap comfort hybrids 
Trek are offering are. You ride them kind of like a box, I know guys who 
like motorcyles that way. There's no lean because the handlebars are 
already /right there/. It's been my experience with the Clem frame and my 
other long top tube (a 3 speed Simcoe roadster) that the long top tube 
actually is there to keep upright bikes from having that "Dutch" feeling. 
They let you get up and get the weight off your hands while still letting 
you get in just a bit of lean. I like it, a lot. It was actually remarking 
that my Simcoe was the most comfortable bike I'd been on once I raised the 
bars that sold me on the Clem frame when it went up. Long top tube plus 
tall bars is a really nice formula for sitting "upright" without losing 
some of that "active" feeling that a lot of upright bikes do have but not a 
lot of people seem to assume they will. 

Now, the boscos sweep back, so, I imagine the primary grip is rather 
upright, but you have several good ones forwards of that, unlike a 
traditional north roads, say, to alleviate that. With an albastache now on 
a dirt drop stem about 2" from maxed out I'm getting a comfy upright 
position with a little lean back in the wings. If I dropped them a couple 
of inches my posture would be almost the same as it was on my Rivenfried 
80's Fuji, except rotated so less weight was on my hands.

On Tuesday, November 10, 2015 at 11:56:33 AM UTC-5, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>
> Hi Tim. Did you try the stock saddle? Any thoughts if so?
>
> I'm curious as to how upright this is going to be. I thought I was kinda 
> upright on my Le Tour mixte with albas, and a while back I commuted on a 
> Schwinn Suburban for a year. Ditto with a classic Raleigh three speed. But 
> these were all relative to a drop bar an inch or more below saddle height. 
> Are the Clems are in another league? I guess the Dutch style, which I have 
> never really ridden? 
>
> On Monday, November 9, 2015 at 10:05:27 PM UTC-5, Tim Wood wrote:
>>
>> On Monday, November 9, 2015 at 2:48:32 PM UTC-8, Jonathan in Ri wrote:
>> > Thanks for posting pics of the grey. I ordered a complete Clem Smith in 
>> the same color. Trying not to get too anxious.
>>
>> Well, the day finally came and I couldn't be happier. The fit, the 
>> colour, the ride!  They nailed this bike. It rolls over everything, climbs 
>> surprisingly well, and is silent as can be. Still getting use to the 
>> shifters but that'll come. Put a nice Z-shaped scratch down the length of 
>> my seat post while setting it up - doh!  
>>
>> A couple pictures, taken in the evening, sorry for the quality. For any 
>> fit reference, my saddle height in these pics is 79cm. My pbh is 90.  I had 
>> been worried about standover but it isn't an issue. I measure it at 34.25" 
>> with the stock 29x2.0 tires inflated to 40psi. The brochure said 34.75", 
>> maybe that is with the max 60c tires?  Either way, I'm able to straddle the 
>> bike comfortably at lights. Also the long top tube is not an issue, 
>> especially with the boscos. I'm not use to being so upright, and would even 
>> consider switching to an albatross or a moustache down the road. 
>>
>> K, gotta go, off for a night ride!
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Let's See Some Clem/Clementine Pics

[Tim Wood]

Hey Mark,

With regard to the stock saddle, I only rode around a parking lot for like two 
minutes on it and put my brooks on before my longer rides so I can't really 
comment too much. It felt pretty good tho, it's a flat saddle and is wider then 
my b17, it almost resembles the shape of a b67. 

The riding position is upright but you can still achieve some lean in your 
back, I think it feels tall more than upright if that makes sense. That being 
said, and as Zed alluded to, the boscos allow for multiple hand positions which 
allow you to get lower and more aggressive if the situation calls for it. I 
found when I was climbing I grabbed near the "stem" on the flat, front area and 
that got me in a pretty aggressive position. While descending or powering the 
flats, I found it comfortable to rest my forearms on the high tops, on top of 
the brake/shifter lever area, and grab just fore of them. In that position I 
would say my back was flat and almost parallel to the top tube. But it sure was 
nice after riding hard in these positions to sit up and grab the grips and not 
feel stretched out or strained. It's the best of both worlds.  I even did some 
out of the saddle efforts and once I got the cadence and weight of the bike 
figured out it was a nice climbing position. That being said, running bar end 
shifters on these bars may be difficult as you'd be bumping them with you legs 
and or body. 

The bike is like a locomotive, once it's up to speed it just rolls along, 
soaking up the bumps beautifully. I literally smile every time I'm on it. It's 
raining here in Vancouver and my fenders haven't arrived yet but I think 
another night ride is in the cards. Can't stop thinking about my Clem - thanks 
Riv!!

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[RBW] Re: Let's See Some Clem/Clementine Pics

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Thanks guys. I was being all patient and zen about being pretty much last 
in line, but now I am really starting to anticipate! I reckon at the rate 
things are going, I will at least have a nice Christmas present.

On Tuesday, November 10, 2015 at 8:18:31 PM UTC-5, Tim Wood wrote:
>
> Hey Mark, 
>
> With regard to the stock saddle, I only rode around a parking lot for like 
> two minutes on it and put my brooks on before my longer rides so I can't 
> really comment too much. It felt pretty good tho, it's a flat saddle and is 
> wider then my b17, it almost resembles the shape of a b67. 
>
> The riding position is upright but you can still achieve some lean in your 
> back, I think it feels tall more than upright if that makes sense. That 
> being said, and as Zed alluded to, the boscos allow for multiple hand 
> positions which allow you to get lower and more aggressive if the situation 
> calls for it. I found when I was climbing I grabbed near the "stem" on the 
> flat, front area and that got me in a pretty aggressive position. While 
> descending or powering the flats, I found it comfortable to rest my 
> forearms on the high tops, on top of the brake/shifter lever area, and grab 
> just fore of them. In that position I would say my back was flat and almost 
> parallel to the top tube. But it sure was nice after riding hard in these 
> positions to sit up and grab the grips and not feel stretched out or 
> strained. It's the best of both worlds.  I even did some out of the saddle 
> efforts and once I got the cadence and weight of the bike figured out it 
> was a nice climbing position. That being said, running bar end shifters on 
> these bars may be difficult as you'd be bumping them with you legs and or 
> body. 
>
> The bike is like a locomotive, once it's up to speed it just rolls along, 
> soaking up the bumps beautifully. I literally smile every time I'm on it. 
> It's raining here in Vancouver and my fenders haven't arrived yet but I 
> think another night ride is in the cards. Can't stop thinking about my Clem 
> - thanks Riv!!

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[RBW] Re: Let's See Some Clem/Clementine Pics

[Tony DeFilippo]

She didn't get a full test ride but did take it around the block a couple 
times, seems like a winner.  Nov in the mid-atlantic is a frustrating time 
to get a new bike w/ the short days and cooling weather  but I'm sure we'll 
get out and about at some point over the next week.

Mark thanks for the link, I hadn't read that article though the core 
recommendation is similar to one of the Park Manual methods.  After finding 
the first chain to short I chose to go conservative and iterate 1 to 2 
links at a time as I only had  single 'super link' and was using the chain 
tool to try and retain a pin for connecting extra links which I'm only 
so-so at.

There is no getting around the chainstay length, I'll have to do some 
side-by sides w/ the saluki and bombadil soon.  It's the biggest bike Erika 
has from a maneuvering around the garage perspective for sure!

Tony

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[RBW] Re: Let's See Some Clem/Clementine Pics

[Jonathan in Ri]

Thanks for posting pics of the grey. I ordered a complete Clem Smith in the 
same color. Trying not to get too anxious.

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[RBW] Re: Let's See Some Clem/Clementine Pics

[WETH]

Tony,
That is some great work!  The bike and build are looking beautiful.  I look 
forward to a ride report.
-Erl 

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[RBW] Re: Let's See Some Clem/Clementine Pics

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hi Tony, the bike looks great. I know others have expressed a preference 
for the proto orange, but I much prefer this version.

 It's interesting that the angle of your photos, from slightly more above, 
really emphasizes the length of those chainstays! 

Regarding the tediousness of tension, that need not be:

http://sheldonbrown.com/derailer-adjustment.html#chain

Obviously with a bike like the Clem, you are going to be adding, not 
subtracting. So in that case I would simply attach a nice extra length of 
chain that you know will more than do it, and then follow Sheldon's method 
above. Works like a charm for me every time, even on a Big Dummy

On Sunday, November 8, 2015 at 1:09:27 AM UTC-5, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>
>
> my parts bin yielded enough of a second SRAM 830 chain for me to make it 
> work, then it was the tedious process of getting the tension right. I think 
> it could still do with a link or two more removed but I'll get some riding 
> in before I commit.  
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Let's See Some Clem/Clementine Pics

[iamkeith]

Looks good!   I was under the impression that the orange had changed to a 
kind of "blood-orange" but, on my monitor,your shots make it look an awful 
lot like the construction pumpkin XO-1 paint formula, that was supposedly 
lost for eternity.  Beautiful.  Paul cockpit is a nice touch.  I too hope 
she appreciates it, because I'm still feeling guilty about goading you into 
getting this. You're right, though - definitely needs bigger tires.   Let 
us know how she likes it.

On Saturday, November 7, 2015 at 4:08:39 PM UTC-7, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>
> http://dr2dc.blogspot.com/2015/11/erikas-new-bike-day-riv-clementine.html
>
> Build is going pretty well,  she'll be riding tomorrow!  
>
>
> 
>
>
> On Friday, November 6, 2015 at 10:16:03 AM UTC-5, iamkeith wrote:
>>
>> I just used Testors enamel.  Gloss white, mixed with the tinniest bit of 
>> yellow will match the crème color perfectly.
>>
>> Don't waste your time with masking tape.  (I tried)  Just use a good 
>> quality, fine, detail brush.
>>
>> For the lettering on the napkin rings (headtube reinforcers) just splooge 
>> the paint in, and wipe off the surface.   Helps if the paint consistency is 
>> not too thin and runny.
>>
>> I did not sand or prep the surface, other than wiping it with thinner.   
>> Hopefully the fact that it's new and hasn't been handled much and the 
>> protection of being recessed will make it stick.  If not, its easy enough 
>> to re-do as needed.
>>
>> It occurs to me that the gray, on the other hand, is going to be 
>> tougher.   It is beautiful, but the pearlescent properties are going to 
>> make it difficult to ever come up with a satisfactory touch-up color.   
>> Like orange-Rambouillet-difficult.  Have to keep reminding myself that it 
>> is a Clem and meant to be abused - beautiful or not!
>>
>> On Thursday, November 5, 2015 at 5:44:12 PM UTC-7, Wayne Naha wrote:
>>
>>> iamkeith, what kind paint did you use?  I want to do the same kind of 
>>> detailing.  Half tempted to use fingernail polish, but you seem to have 
>>> cracked the code here.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Let's See Some Clem/Clementine Pics

[Tony DeFilippo]

http://dr2dc.blogspot.com/2015/11/erikas-new-bike-day-riv-clementine.html

Build is going pretty well,  she'll be riding tomorrow!  




On Friday, November 6, 2015 at 10:16:03 AM UTC-5, iamkeith wrote:
>
> I just used Testors enamel.  Gloss white, mixed with the tinniest bit of 
> yellow will match the crème color perfectly.
>
> Don't waste your time with masking tape.  (I tried)  Just use a good 
> quality, fine, detail brush.
>
> For the lettering on the napkin rings (headtube reinforcers) just splooge 
> the paint in, and wipe off the surface.   Helps if the paint consistency is 
> not too thin and runny.
>
> I did not sand or prep the surface, other than wiping it with thinner.   
> Hopefully the fact that it's new and hasn't been handled much and the 
> protection of being recessed will make it stick.  If not, its easy enough 
> to re-do as needed.
>
> It occurs to me that the gray, on the other hand, is going to be tougher.  
>  It is beautiful, but the pearlescent properties are going to make 
> it difficult to ever come up with a satisfactory touch-up color.   Like 
> orange-Rambouillet-difficult.  Have to keep reminding myself that it is a 
> Clem and meant to be abused - beautiful or not!
>
> On Thursday, November 5, 2015 at 5:44:12 PM UTC-7, Wayne Naha wrote:
>
>> iamkeith, what kind paint did you use?  I want to do the same kind of 
>> detailing.  Half tempted to use fingernail polish, but you seem to have 
>> cracked the code here.
>>
>>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Let's See Some Clem/Clementine Pics

[Glen]

On Saturday, November 7, 2015 at 6:47:15 PM UTC-7, iamkeith wrote:
>
>  You're right, though - definitely needs bigger tires.   Let us know how 
> she likes it.
>

Or a classy set of fenders, yes it looks great. 

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[RBW] Re: Let's See Some Clem/Clementine Pics

[Tony DeFilippo]

It was an easy sell... :)  She's pretty excited about having it, I should 
have the build finished tomorrow for her to get some riding in this week as 
we still experience warmer than normal temps for the season.  I'll 
definitely have a 'ride report' once she gets out on it.

The orange is richer than construction pumpkin, I think the fluorescent-lit 
garage didn't show it properly.  Very nice looking color and I'm really 
impressed at the seamless decal application. Having just had my Saluki 
re-coated and decals applied the job Riv's people did w/ the decals is very 
impressive.  

Tony

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[RBW] Re: Let's See Some Clem/Clementine Pics

[Tony DeFilippo]

And i"m done for the night... 0100 :)  Got the front fender, rack and light 
installed (not wired up yet).  The chain and crankset almost broke my 
spirit.  You need a second donor chain to make the extra long connection 
which I knew but had forgotten.  Amazingly my parts bin yielded enough of a 
second SRAM 830 chain for me to make it work, then it was the tedious 
process of getting the tension right. I think it could still do with a link 
or two more removed but I'll get some riding in before I commit.  I managed 
to make an old Deore crank work b y removing the granny ring which gave it 
the chainstay clearance... I'm running it 1x8 with the 46T in front for 
now.  34T big ring in the back still gives a pretty effective bailout.


The odd-ness on the handlebars is a wacky bird themed bell and coffee cup 
holder.


I've only gone around the block but I like the bike, very smooth and cush. 
 Between the frame geo, the plump tires and the sprung, wide leather seat 
this is a comfy ride.  I'm also impressed with how well it fits me at 
90pbh/6'.  I hope Erika is as comfortable.


Probably won't get to do much tomorrow though I would love to get the rear 
fender done.  We'll see.



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[RBW] Re: Let's See Some Clem/Clementine Pics

[iamkeith]

I just used Testors enamel.  Gloss white, mixed with the tinniest bit of 
yellow will match the crème color perfectly.

Don't waste your time with masking tape.  (I tried)  Just use a good 
quality, fine, detail brush.

For the lettering on the napkin rings (headtube reinforcers) just splooge 
the paint in, and wipe off the surface.   Helps if the paint consistency is 
not too thin and runny.

I did not sand or prep the surface, other than wiping it with thinner.   
Hopefully the fact that it's new and hasn't been handled much and the 
protection of being recessed will make it stick.  If not, its easy enough 
to re-do as needed.

It occurs to me that the gray, on the other hand, is going to be tougher.  
 It is beautiful, but the pearlescent properties are going to make 
it difficult to ever come up with a satisfactory touch-up color.   Like 
orange-Rambouillet-difficult.  Have to keep reminding myself that it is a 
Clem and meant to be abused - beautiful or not!

On Thursday, November 5, 2015 at 5:44:12 PM UTC-7, Wayne Naha wrote:

> iamkeith, what kind paint did you use?  I want to do the same kind of 
> detailing.  Half tempted to use fingernail polish, but you seem to have 
> cracked the code here.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Let's See Some Clem/Clementine Pics

[Zed Martinez]

Edwin. the beefier ones are M6, I actually weird was already used to that 
because my previous frame did that too. (to others reading in, the two rack 
mounts immediately forwards of the drops are M6, all the other braze-ons 
are M5)  So, my rack stays were already drilled out for the larger bolt and 
it was pretty easy for my attempt. Luckily the Lowes out here finally 
started carrying stainless metric hex cap bolts, so, while the price each 
was highway robbery I upgraded from the black steel ones I'd been using 
previously to some nice stainless for this. I didn't have any problems with 
the head tube, my Technomic can sink pretty deep into it, so, no idea how 
to help you there, but I wish you best of luck sorting it out! Looking 
forward to seeing pics of more builds come out.

On Thursday, November 5, 2015 at 2:29:19 AM UTC-5, Edwin W wrote:
>
> Zed,
>
> Impressive work, and so fast! I got my lil' Clem (46?) today and put a few 
> hours into it. I'll get some pictures by the weekend. I messed up on a few 
> things! Two steps forward, one back, and so forth. 
> One thing I noticed is that some of the eyelets are m5, I think (standard) 
> and some are bigger. Beefier?
> I did a lot of fussing with rack and fender placement and attachment. The 
> hoods on the rear drop out are too close to the eyelets to fit the face of 
> my pletscher rack, so I filed the plates down a bit. 
> I have 55 fenders and 1.75 paselas and lots of room left over. 
> I'll have to figure out a good way to take pictures and post them. The bar 
> I had is bigger than I thought so I may have to rethink that. 
> Oh, and my dirt drop stem would not go that deep into the head tube. Does 
> it taper? I have an albatross set up I might use instead. 
> When I ordered brakes, I only ordered half a bikes worth. No wonder they 
> were so cheap!
> Learning, learning,
>
> Edwin
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Let's See Some Clem/Clementine Pics

[alan lavine]

Just some initial impressions: I got the stock build in green, a deep 
British racing green. Its a thing of beauty, for sure, with attention to 
detail typical of Rivendell.  Its by far and away the longest, largest bike 
I've ever owned, with the largest and tallest handlebars, and this may take 
some getting used to.  Also, the widest tires I've ever ridden...I weigh 
170- what is a good tire pressure? Right now its at 25 rear and 20 front.
I have the mounting bracket for a Yepp Mini child carrier attached to the 
stem and it prevents me from lowering the handlebars any further, so if I 
can't get used to it like this I'll have to change to Albatross bars for 
the lower rise. The rack mounts that are above the rear dropouts are indeed 
M6 and I used these to mount a Tobeak rack for a rear child carrier.

All in all, its lovely and I'm very pleased.  I think it was a great deal, 
and I hope it was financially rewarding for Grant.  It may take a while to 
get used to such an upright position, but its primary use is grandchildren 
fun rides and grocery getting, and city riding.  Going to add decals: 
"Grandpa express!"

Alan 
NYC

On Tuesday, November 3, 2015 at 12:30:06 PM UTC-5, RDS wrote:
>
> I was just curious to see how all of the colors turned out for each 
> model.  Please, let's see some pics whether bike or frame.
>

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[RBW] Re: Let's See Some Clem/Clementine Pics

[Montclair BobbyB]

Just received my 59 Clementine last evening... I'm buried in other stuff, 
but managed to quickly open the box and pull it out for a quick glimpse. 
 It's the orange (although not what I'd envisioned as "Clementine Orange", 
based on the prototype photos.  From that perspective I have to say I'm 
disappointed I had the whole clementine theme in my head, and even 
painted parts to come close to matching the original color.  This color 
will be difficult to match.

BUT, the Clem orange IS a beautiful shade of "orange" even if it's more a 
kind of salmon orange, IMO.  Once my brain processes this 
*altogether-different-than-what-I-expected* orange, I'm sure I'll figure 
out another use for the "orange parts" and proceed with my build... It 
looks like it will be a total gas to ride.

BB 

On Thursday, November 5, 2015 at 8:58:29 AM UTC-5, Edwin W wrote:
>
> Here you will see:
>
>1. The frame with wheels. See how high the stem is? That is as low as 
>it will go without a hammer, it seems.
>2. The clearance of the rear wheel. Need to work on the fender line! 
>That was the last thing I did last night, tired and a bit ornery.
>3. The tightness with the rack plate.
>
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
> Edwin
>

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[RBW] Re: Let's See Some Clem/Clementine Pics

[Frederick]

On my computer screen, the grey looks really nice. It has more of a bluish 
tint than the photos on the Riv site.

On Thursday, November 5, 2015 at 6:58:29 AM UTC-7, Edwin W wrote:
>
> Here you will see:
>
>1. The frame with wheels. See how high the stem is? That is as low as 
>it will go without a hammer, it seems.
>2. The clearance of the rear wheel. Need to work on the fender line! 
>That was the last thing I did last night, tired and a bit ornery.
>3. The tightness with the rack plate.
>
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
> Edwin
>

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[RBW] Re: Let's See Some Clem/Clementine Pics

[Wayne Naha]

iamkeith, what kind paint did you use?  I want to do the same kind of 
detailing.  Half tempted to use fingernail polish, but you seem to have 
cracked the code here.

On Thursday, November 5, 2015 at 6:52:09 PM UTC-5, iamkeith wrote:
>
>
> On Thursday, November 5, 2015 at 1:00:35 PM UTC-7, Frederick wrote:
>>
>> On my computer screen, the grey looks really nice. It has more of a 
>> bluish tint than the photos on the Riv site.
>>
>  
> The gray is nice.   Depending on the light, it has a basic pewter color to 
> it, just like the prototype images, or a blueish or a purplish tint which 
> make it appear darker in photographs than it really is.   A huge  shout-out 
> to Vince, who managed to wrangle one up for me after I decided that I 
> didn't want the blue I'd had on order.   Any of the three final colors 
> would be nice enough to make me happy, but I'm very satisfied with this 
> one. 
>
> These are probably all the images you'll get out of me for a while.  It's 
> snowed every day for more than a week here, so I'm in no hurry to get it 
> built up before May.  In the meantime, FIRST THINGS FIRST:  I just filled 
> in the missing windows on the frame!
>
>
> 
>
>
> As you may have noticed in photos from others, the fabricator accidentally 
> put the lower napkin rings on backwards.  "EST 1994" should have been 
> facing forward.  So I just filled the lettering on the top one for now.  
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
> Also, one quick heads up to others:  Check the curvature of the headbadge 
> *before* you put it on.  Mine wasn't curved quite enough, so it's a bit 
> tricky trying to the the edges to lay down.  I think it would have been 
> easier to flatten out, if it had *too much* curve.  I'm half tempted to 
> fill the low parts of the headbadge with creme too, just for another 
> highlight.  We don't have manhole covers where I live anyway, so the 
> reference will be lost on most people.
>
>
> 
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Let's See Some Clem/Clementine Pics

[iamkeith]

On Thursday, November 5, 2015 at 1:00:35 PM UTC-7, Frederick wrote:
>
> On my computer screen, the grey looks really nice. It has more of a bluish 
> tint than the photos on the Riv site.
>
 
The gray is nice.   Depending on the light, it has a basic pewter color to 
it, just like the prototype images, or a blueish or a purplish tint which 
make it appear darker in photographs than it really is.   A huge  shout-out 
to Vince, who managed to wrangle one up for me after I decided that I 
didn't want the blue I'd had on order.   Any of the three final colors 
would be nice enough to make me happy, but I'm very satisfied with this 
one. 

These are probably all the images you'll get out of me for a while.  It's 
snowed every day for more than a week here, so I'm in no hurry to get it 
built up before May.  In the meantime, FIRST THINGS FIRST:  I just filled 
in the missing windows on the frame!




As you may have noticed in photos from others, the fabricator accidentally 
put the lower napkin rings on backwards.  "EST 1994" should have been 
facing forward.  So I just filled the lettering on the top one for now.  






Also, one quick heads up to others:  Check the curvature of the headbadge 
*before* you put it on.  Mine wasn't curved quite enough, so it's a bit 
tricky trying to the the edges to lay down.  I think it would have been 
easier to flatten out, if it had *too much* curve.  I'm half tempted to 
fill the low parts of the headbadge with creme too, just for another 
highlight.  We don't have manhole covers where I live anyway, so the 
reference will be lost on most people.





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[RBW] Re: Let's See Some Clem/Clementine Pics

[David Banzer]

The top dropout eyelets are M6 as well. I've been piecing mine together 
slowly in my office, making a list of parts to bring the next day to add 
during my lunch hour. M6 bolts are now on that list.
Also, I just mounted a Nitto R15 rack on the front, and wasn't too happy 
with the result, probably because it looks exactly like I should have 
expected - a rear rack mounted up front. I think I'll either be going for a 
Haulin Colin rack or get a custom rack made to utilize the top mounts.
David
Chicago

On Thursday, November 5, 2015 at 7:21:01 AM UTC-6, Zed Martinez wrote:
>
> Edwin. the beefier ones are M6, I actually weird was already used to that 
> because my previous frame did that too. (to others reading in, the two rack 
> mounts immediately forwards of the drops are M6, all the other braze-ons 
> are M5)  So, my rack stays were already drilled out for the larger bolt and 
> it was pretty easy for my attempt. Luckily the Lowes out here finally 
> started carrying stainless metric hex cap bolts, so, while the price each 
> was highway robbery I upgraded from the black steel ones I'd been using 
> previously to some nice stainless for this. I didn't have any problems with 
> the head tube, my Technomic can sink pretty deep into it, so, no idea how 
> to help you there, but I wish you best of luck sorting it out! Looking 
> forward to seeing pics of more builds come out.
>
> On Thursday, November 5, 2015 at 2:29:19 AM UTC-5, Edwin W wrote:
>>
>> Zed,
>>
>> Impressive work, and so fast! I got my lil' Clem (46?) today and put a 
>> few hours into it. I'll get some pictures by the weekend. I messed up on a 
>> few things! Two steps forward, one back, and so forth. 
>> One thing I noticed is that some of the eyelets are m5, I think 
>> (standard) and some are bigger. Beefier?
>> I did a lot of fussing with rack and fender placement and attachment. The 
>> hoods on the rear drop out are too close to the eyelets to fit the face of 
>> my pletscher rack, so I filed the plates down a bit. 
>> I have 55 fenders and 1.75 paselas and lots of room left over. 
>> I'll have to figure out a good way to take pictures and post them. The 
>> bar I had is bigger than I thought so I may have to rethink that. 
>> Oh, and my dirt drop stem would not go that deep into the head tube. Does 
>> it taper? I have an albatross set up I might use instead. 
>> When I ordered brakes, I only ordered half a bikes worth. No wonder they 
>> were so cheap!
>> Learning, learning,
>>
>> Edwin
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Let's See Some Clem/Clementine Pics

[David Banzer]

The grey turned out lovely - I went for that color as well, hemmed and 
hawed after I chose it, but am really glad I stuck with it.
David
Chicago

On Thursday, November 5, 2015 at 2:00:35 PM UTC-6, Frederick wrote:
>
> On my computer screen, the grey looks really nice. It has more of a bluish 
> tint than the photos on the Riv site.
>
> On Thursday, November 5, 2015 at 6:58:29 AM UTC-7, Edwin W wrote:
>>
>> Here you will see:
>>
>>1. The frame with wheels. See how high the stem is? That is as low as 
>>it will go without a hammer, it seems.
>>2. The clearance of the rear wheel. Need to work on the fender line! 
>>That was the last thing I did last night, tired and a bit ornery.
>>3. The tightness with the rack plate.
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> Edwin
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Let's See Some Clem/Clementine Pics

[Kainalu]

Good call. One Shot's good stuff, but not any more nasty than any other oil 
based paint these days. If you can find a freakishly well preserved NOS can 
from the good old days you might score yourself some extra beautiful leaded 
paint, but any One Shot you find on your local art supply shelves will be lead 
free. 
-Kai
with two green bikes, and many perfectly matching green lug windows, in 
Brooklyn 

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[RBW] Re: Let's See Some Clem/Clementine Pics

[Bill Lindsay]

The really nasty stuff that is really good is OneShot.  It's nasty and it's 
good because it is lead based.  Art stores have it as "sign paint".  I used 
robinsegg blue as a lug liner and fender pinstriping on a restoration.  

On Thursday, November 5, 2015 at 4:44:12 PM UTC-8, Wayne Naha wrote:
>
> iamkeith, what kind paint did you use?  I want to do the same kind of 
> detailing.  Half tempted to use fingernail polish, but you seem to have 
> cracked the code here.
>
> On Thursday, November 5, 2015 at 6:52:09 PM UTC-5, iamkeith wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, November 5, 2015 at 1:00:35 PM UTC-7, Frederick wrote:
>>>
>>> On my computer screen, the grey looks really nice. It has more of a 
>>> bluish tint than the photos on the Riv site.
>>>
>>  
>> The gray is nice.   Depending on the light, it has a basic pewter color 
>> to it, just like the prototype images, or a blueish or a purplish tint 
>> which make it appear darker in photographs than it really is.   A huge 
>>  shout-out to Vince, who managed to wrangle one up for me after I decided 
>> that I didn't want the blue I'd had on order.   Any of the three final 
>> colors would be nice enough to make me happy, but I'm very satisfied with 
>> this one. 
>>
>> These are probably all the images you'll get out of me for a while.  It's 
>> snowed every day for more than a week here, so I'm in no hurry to get it 
>> built up before May.  In the meantime, FIRST THINGS FIRST:  I just filled 
>> in the missing windows on the frame!
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> As you may have noticed in photos from others, the fabricator 
>> accidentally put the lower napkin rings on backwards.  "EST 1994" should 
>> have been facing forward.  So I just filled the lettering on the top one 
>> for now.  
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> Also, one quick heads up to others:  Check the curvature of the headbadge 
>> *before* you put it on.  Mine wasn't curved quite enough, so it's a bit 
>> tricky trying to the the edges to lay down.  I think it would have been 
>> easier to flatten out, if it had *too much* curve.  I'm half tempted to 
>> fill the low parts of the headbadge with creme too, just for another 
>> highlight.  We don't have manhole covers where I live anyway, so the 
>> reference will be lost on most people.
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Let's See Some Clem/Clementine Pics

[Edwin W]

Here you will see:

   1. The frame with wheels. See how high the stem is? That is as low as it 
   will go without a hammer, it seems.
   2. The clearance of the rear wheel. Need to work on the fender line! 
   That was the last thing I did last night, tired and a bit ornery.
   3. The tightness with the rack plate.
   






Edwin

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[RBW] Re: Let's See Some Clem/Clementine Pics

[David Banzer]

The stem should go in more - I'd give Riv a call. Don't use a hammer!
I had some resistance with my seatpost going in, lotsa grease helped, but 
there was a few rough spots on the inside of the seattube.
David
Chicago

On Thursday, November 5, 2015 at 7:58:29 AM UTC-6, Edwin W wrote:
>
> Here you will see:
>
>1. The frame with wheels. See how high the stem is? That is as low as 
>it will go without a hammer, it seems.
>2. The clearance of the rear wheel. Need to work on the fender line! 
>That was the last thing I did last night, tired and a bit ornery.
>3. The tightness with the rack plate.
>
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
> Edwin
>

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[RBW] Re: Let's See Some Clem/Clementine Pics

[Zed Martinez]

Bill, just had a chance to check and I can release those VO Grand Cru 
cantilevers and they more than easily clear the tires even with that Surly 
rack stopping them. Plenty of clearance. Which, really seems to be the 
raison d'etre of the Clems.

On Wednesday, November 4, 2015 at 12:47:25 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Looks like you thought of just about everything.  Best wishes getting 
> acquainted.  
>
> Why did you run continuous shift housing all the way back to the Rear Der? 
>  
> Do your front brakes QR open enough to get your front wheel out?  Or does 
> the rack get in the way?  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Wednesday, November 4, 2015 at 6:32:25 AM UTC-8, Zed Martinez wrote:
>>
>> Updated my photos with the complete build done (except wrapping the bars, 
>> it's my couple days of fiddling with fit and dialing it in before that). 
>> Tim, that Surly Nice Rack just barely fits, but fits it does. Had to max 
>> out the bracket heights and it just barely caught braze-ons. Can't use it 
>> on the upper braze-on at the fork end, it'll block QRs, so you have to 
>> mount it where the fender would go and then mount the fender to the lower 
>> rack bracket instead. Not a big deal, I've done that on the last two bikes 
>> that rack lived on too. It's a tight fit at the mid fork ones, so, I 
>> wrapped them with some tape first to minimize scraping and scuffing, but 
>> all in all, was actually the easiest time I've ever had installing that 
>> rack.
>>
>> Got in to work this morning and a coworker who admires Riv bikes and has 
>> been waiting to see mine caught me at the door and insisted on getting my 
>> photo with it. It's a nice looking rig all built up, but it'll take me a 
>> couple more rides to get used to how it rides. With the albastache I have 
>> about the same lean to the bars I did on my 650b Rivenfried mid-80's Fuji 
>> this replaces, except the bars are like 5" higher up. My body is confused 
>> because half of it's like my previous build and half is like my 3-speed 
>> roadster. Rides pretty well though. Those Switchback Hill tires are dreams, 
>> I tell ya. A little prone to wobble no-handed, I need to check the headset 
>> adjustment and wheel stabilizer tension tonight. Otherwise, it's off to a 
>> promising start.
>>
>>
>> https://onedrive.live.com/?id=C37EE9A2EAE73EA9%21454124=C37EE9A2EAE73EA9=0=%21AJFYm5zGTQyGk3U=photos
>>
>> Link again to the photos, just to save scrolling back and what-not: 
>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/bDrtVdwnZbs
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 3, 2015 at 1:10:44 PM UTC-5, Tim Wood wrote:
>>>
>>> Looks good Zed, nice build. I'm curious to see how the front surly rack 
>>> looks on there, keep the photos coming!
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Let's See Some Clem/Clementine Pics

[Bill Lindsay]

Very nice!

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[RBW] Re: Let's See Some Clem/Clementine Pics

[Edwin W]

Zed,

Impressive work, and so fast! I got my lil' Clem (46?) today and put a few 
hours into it. I'll get some pictures by the weekend. I messed up on a few 
things! Two steps forward, one back, and so forth. 
One thing I noticed is that some of the eyelets are m5, I think (standard) and 
some are bigger. Beefier?
I did a lot of fussing with rack and fender placement and attachment. The hoods 
on the rear drop out are too close to the eyelets to fit the face of my 
pletscher rack, so I filed the plates down a bit. 
I have 55 fenders and 1.75 paselas and lots of room left over. 
I'll have to figure out a good way to take pictures and post them. The bar I 
had is bigger than I thought so I may have to rethink that. 
Oh, and my dirt drop stem would not go that deep into the head tube. Does it 
taper? I have an albatross set up I might use instead. 
When I ordered brakes, I only ordered half a bikes worth. No wonder they were 
so cheap!
Learning, learning,

Edwin

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[RBW] Re: Let's See Some Clem/Clementine Pics

[Kieran J]

Fer sure! In the winter, I'm lucky if my bike is even halfway working ..

KJ


On Wednesday, November 4, 2015 at 1:11:30 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Cold weather folks have to think about more things than I do.  
>
> best
> Bill
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Let's See Some Clem/Clementine Pics

[Philip Kim]

That looks great! I didn't realize how long the chainstays were, but seems 
like it would be a comfy ride.

On Wednesday, November 4, 2015 at 9:32:25 AM UTC-5, Zed Martinez wrote:
>
> Updated my photos with the complete build done (except wrapping the bars, 
> it's my couple days of fiddling with fit and dialing it in before that). 
> Tim, that Surly Nice Rack just barely fits, but fits it does. Had to max 
> out the bracket heights and it just barely caught braze-ons. Can't use it 
> on the upper braze-on at the fork end, it'll block QRs, so you have to 
> mount it where the fender would go and then mount the fender to the lower 
> rack bracket instead. Not a big deal, I've done that on the last two bikes 
> that rack lived on too. It's a tight fit at the mid fork ones, so, I 
> wrapped them with some tape first to minimize scraping and scuffing, but 
> all in all, was actually the easiest time I've ever had installing that 
> rack.
>
> Got in to work this morning and a coworker who admires Riv bikes and has 
> been waiting to see mine caught me at the door and insisted on getting my 
> photo with it. It's a nice looking rig all built up, but it'll take me a 
> couple more rides to get used to how it rides. With the albastache I have 
> about the same lean to the bars I did on my 650b Rivenfried mid-80's Fuji 
> this replaces, except the bars are like 5" higher up. My body is confused 
> because half of it's like my previous build and half is like my 3-speed 
> roadster. Rides pretty well though. Those Switchback Hill tires are dreams, 
> I tell ya. A little prone to wobble no-handed, I need to check the headset 
> adjustment and wheel stabilizer tension tonight. Otherwise, it's off to a 
> promising start.
>
>
> https://onedrive.live.com/?id=C37EE9A2EAE73EA9%21454124=C37EE9A2EAE73EA9=0=%21AJFYm5zGTQyGk3U=photos
>
> Link again to the photos, just to save scrolling back and what-not: 
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/bDrtVdwnZbs
>
> On Tuesday, November 3, 2015 at 1:10:44 PM UTC-5, Tim Wood wrote:
>>
>> Looks good Zed, nice build. I'm curious to see how the front surly rack 
>> looks on there, keep the photos coming!
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Let's See Some Clem/Clementine Pics

[Deacon Patrick]

She's got brass ones of a different color:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/22774664922/in/dateposted-public/

Fancy yet affordable
https://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/22395953539/in/dateposted-public/

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, November 3, 2015 at 10:30:06 AM UTC-7, RDS wrote:
>
> I was just curious to see how all of the colors turned out for each 
> model.  Please, let's see some pics whether bike or frame.
>

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[RBW] Re: Let's See Some Clem/Clementine Pics

[Zed Martinez]

Updated my photos with the complete build done (except wrapping the bars, 
it's my couple days of fiddling with fit and dialing it in before that). 
Tim, that Surly Nice Rack just barely fits, but fits it does. Had to max 
out the bracket heights and it just barely caught braze-ons. Can't use it 
on the upper braze-on at the fork end, it'll block QRs, so you have to 
mount it where the fender would go and then mount the fender to the lower 
rack bracket instead. Not a big deal, I've done that on the last two bikes 
that rack lived on too. It's a tight fit at the mid fork ones, so, I 
wrapped them with some tape first to minimize scraping and scuffing, but 
all in all, was actually the easiest time I've ever had installing that 
rack.

Got in to work this morning and a coworker who admires Riv bikes and has 
been waiting to see mine caught me at the door and insisted on getting my 
photo with it. It's a nice looking rig all built up, but it'll take me a 
couple more rides to get used to how it rides. With the albastache I have 
about the same lean to the bars I did on my 650b Rivenfried mid-80's Fuji 
this replaces, except the bars are like 5" higher up. My body is confused 
because half of it's like my previous build and half is like my 3-speed 
roadster. Rides pretty well though. Those Switchback Hill tires are dreams, 
I tell ya. A little prone to wobble no-handed, I need to check the headset 
adjustment and wheel stabilizer tension tonight. Otherwise, it's off to a 
promising start.

https://onedrive.live.com/?id=C37EE9A2EAE73EA9%21454124=C37EE9A2EAE73EA9=0=%21AJFYm5zGTQyGk3U=photos

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On Tuesday, November 3, 2015 at 1:10:44 PM UTC-5, Tim Wood wrote:
>
> Looks good Zed, nice build. I'm curious to see how the front surly rack 
> looks on there, keep the photos coming!

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[RBW] Re: Let's See Some Clem/Clementine Pics

[iamkeith]

Gorgeous build, Zed!  For completely selfish reasons though, I hope that 
your handlebar selection DOESN'T work out.   I'm currently planning/hoping 
to use some Bosco bars, but with a stem that's somewhat shorter than the 
12cm effective which comes on the stock bullmoose version.  So handlebars 
will be closer to me rather than further away, as yours are - compared to 
the completes.   I'd be very interested in hearing about your experiences 
and adjustments as you dial it in, no matter what.

On Wednesday, November 4, 2015 at 7:32:25 AM UTC-7, Zed Martinez wrote:
>
> Updated my photos with the complete build done (except wrapping the bars, 
> it's my couple days of fiddling with fit and dialing it in before that). 
> Tim, that Surly Nice Rack just barely fits, but fits it does. Had to max 
> out the bracket heights and it just barely caught braze-ons. Can't use it 
> on the upper braze-on at the fork end, it'll block QRs, so you have to 
> mount it where the fender would go and then mount the fender to the lower 
> rack bracket instead. Not a big deal, I've done that on the last two bikes 
> that rack lived on too. It's a tight fit at the mid fork ones, so, I 
> wrapped them with some tape first to minimize scraping and scuffing, but 
> all in all, was actually the easiest time I've ever had installing that 
> rack.
>
> Got in to work this morning and a coworker who admires Riv bikes and has 
> been waiting to see mine caught me at the door and insisted on getting my 
> photo with it. It's a nice looking rig all built up, but it'll take me a 
> couple more rides to get used to how it rides. With the albastache I have 
> about the same lean to the bars I did on my 650b Rivenfried mid-80's Fuji 
> this replaces, except the bars are like 5" higher up. My body is confused 
> because half of it's like my previous build and half is like my 3-speed 
> roadster. Rides pretty well though. Those Switchback Hill tires are dreams, 
> I tell ya. A little prone to wobble no-handed, I need to check the headset 
> adjustment and wheel stabilizer tension tonight. Otherwise, it's off to a 
> promising start.
>
>
> https://onedrive.live.com/?id=C37EE9A2EAE73EA9%21454124=C37EE9A2EAE73EA9=0=%21AJFYm5zGTQyGk3U=photos
>
> Link again to the photos, just to save scrolling back and what-not: 
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/bDrtVdwnZbs
>
> On Tuesday, November 3, 2015 at 1:10:44 PM UTC-5, Tim Wood wrote:
>>
>> Looks good Zed, nice build. I'm curious to see how the front surly rack 
>> looks on there, keep the photos coming!
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Let's See Some Clem/Clementine Pics

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Looks real nice, Zed. I also have a 52cm coming (Clementine). Just curious, 
what is your saddle height? Also, which fenders are those? Thanks.

On Wednesday, November 4, 2015 at 9:32:25 AM UTC-5, Zed Martinez wrote:
>
> Updated my photos with the complete build done (except wrapping the bars, 
> it's my couple days of fiddling with fit and dialing it in before that).
>

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[RBW] Re: Let's See Some Clem/Clementine Pics

[Bill Lindsay]

Looks like you thought of just about everything.  Best wishes getting 
acquainted.  

Why did you run continuous shift housing all the way back to the Rear Der?  
Do your front brakes QR open enough to get your front wheel out?  Or does 
the rack get in the way?  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Wednesday, November 4, 2015 at 6:32:25 AM UTC-8, Zed Martinez wrote:
>
> Updated my photos with the complete build done (except wrapping the bars, 
> it's my couple days of fiddling with fit and dialing it in before that). 
> Tim, that Surly Nice Rack just barely fits, but fits it does. Had to max 
> out the bracket heights and it just barely caught braze-ons. Can't use it 
> on the upper braze-on at the fork end, it'll block QRs, so you have to 
> mount it where the fender would go and then mount the fender to the lower 
> rack bracket instead. Not a big deal, I've done that on the last two bikes 
> that rack lived on too. It's a tight fit at the mid fork ones, so, I 
> wrapped them with some tape first to minimize scraping and scuffing, but 
> all in all, was actually the easiest time I've ever had installing that 
> rack.
>
> Got in to work this morning and a coworker who admires Riv bikes and has 
> been waiting to see mine caught me at the door and insisted on getting my 
> photo with it. It's a nice looking rig all built up, but it'll take me a 
> couple more rides to get used to how it rides. With the albastache I have 
> about the same lean to the bars I did on my 650b Rivenfried mid-80's Fuji 
> this replaces, except the bars are like 5" higher up. My body is confused 
> because half of it's like my previous build and half is like my 3-speed 
> roadster. Rides pretty well though. Those Switchback Hill tires are dreams, 
> I tell ya. A little prone to wobble no-handed, I need to check the headset 
> adjustment and wheel stabilizer tension tonight. Otherwise, it's off to a 
> promising start.
>
>
> https://onedrive.live.com/?id=C37EE9A2EAE73EA9%21454124=C37EE9A2EAE73EA9=0=%21AJFYm5zGTQyGk3U=photos
>
> Link again to the photos, just to save scrolling back and what-not: 
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/bDrtVdwnZbs
>
> On Tuesday, November 3, 2015 at 1:10:44 PM UTC-5, Tim Wood wrote:
>>
>> Looks good Zed, nice build. I'm curious to see how the front surly rack 
>> looks on there, keep the photos coming!
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Let's See Some Clem/Clementine Pics

[Zed Martinez]

Mark: usually around 68cm or so. Depends on the shoes and pedals I use most 
with the bike. I seem to like my saddle about 1-2cm lower than Grant's 
method would recommend, but I definitely start getting some numbness and 
hot patches in the balls of my feet if I have the saddle up that little 
extra. Haven't measured this one yet, still dialing in the final. The 
fenders are the SKS P55 ones. They just fit a charm with the 48mm 
SwitchbackHills, which are the fattest road tires I plan to run. Wider will 
be knobbies and I'll take the fenders off.

iamkeith: I'm hoping it works, because I love the shape of the albastache 
and how my hands drift and move across it better than any other bar, and 
all the current alternatives from Riv suit me less (they generally have too 
much rise near the bends which is really a sweet spot for me when I'm on a 
good cruise, kick my wrist at weird angles and they start getting weird 
fast. Curse my finicky wrists). That new choco-moose looks like it could be 
a good solution for that down the road, much flatter through the bends, I'd 
probably like that. Mostly, I have a roadster with north roads on it that 
fall between the albastache and the albatross bars, and I find myself 
wishing it let me go farther forward more often than I use it all the way 
back on the grips, so, yeah, I'm hoping this splits that difference more. 
Haven't ruled out needed to go to a 80mm Dirt Drop for the effective 65mm 
reach instead of my 80mm Technomic though to really pull it off. I'll give 
it the rest of the week and see if I settle into it. It's a neat posture, 
you're way up in the air but still leaning a fair chunk forwards. I want to 
like it, and nothing hurt or went numb, so, I think it'll work one way or 
another.

Bill: Whew, I tried. This is the third iteration of a project I've been 
building and rebuilding around different frames the past two years. It 
hasn't made it out on tour yet, but the stuff that I had on hand has 
certainly survived the trials by fire to get here ;) I ran continuous 
shifting because I ride year 'round in the midwest and I've had a couple 
winters where slush and muck would get into the rear housing by the drop 
and then promptly freeze 5 minutes after taking it out in the morning, 
sticking me with a rather unwieldly 3 speed until I got to the office to 
thaw it. It's just easier to run it continuous and have to change it out 
less often, and I never miss a shift now no matter the temp. I haven't 
tried the brakes yet, but they have a good inch or so they can drop before 
they hit the rack, so, they will /probably/ work. But, if not, I'll live. 
Usually if the front wheel is coming out it's flat anyway so it won't be a 
major hindrance. But it should. I'll try tonight and report back.

On Wednesday, November 4, 2015 at 12:47:25 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Looks like you thought of just about everything.  Best wishes getting 
> acquainted.  
>
> Why did you run continuous shift housing all the way back to the Rear Der? 
>  
> Do your front brakes QR open enough to get your front wheel out?  Or does 
> the rack get in the way?  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Wednesday, November 4, 2015 at 6:32:25 AM UTC-8, Zed Martinez wrote:
>>
>> Updated my photos with the complete build done (except wrapping the bars, 
>> it's my couple days of fiddling with fit and dialing it in before that). 
>> Tim, that Surly Nice Rack just barely fits, but fits it does. Had to max 
>> out the bracket heights and it just barely caught braze-ons. Can't use it 
>> on the upper braze-on at the fork end, it'll block QRs, so you have to 
>> mount it where the fender would go and then mount the fender to the lower 
>> rack bracket instead. Not a big deal, I've done that on the last two bikes 
>> that rack lived on too. It's a tight fit at the mid fork ones, so, I 
>> wrapped them with some tape first to minimize scraping and scuffing, but 
>> all in all, was actually the easiest time I've ever had installing that 
>> rack.
>>
>> Got in to work this morning and a coworker who admires Riv bikes and has 
>> been waiting to see mine caught me at the door and insisted on getting my 
>> photo with it. It's a nice looking rig all built up, but it'll take me a 
>> couple more rides to get used to how it rides. With the albastache I have 
>> about the same lean to the bars I did on my 650b Rivenfried mid-80's Fuji 
>> this replaces, except the bars are like 5" higher up. My body is confused 
>> because half of it's like my previous build and half is like my 3-speed 
>> roadster. Rides pretty well though. Those Switchback Hill tires are dreams, 
>> I tell ya. A little prone to wobble no-handed, I need to check the headset 
>> adjustment and wheel stabilizer tension tonight. Otherwise, it's off to a 
>> promising start.
>>
>>
>> https://onedrive.live.com/?id=C37EE9A2EAE73EA9%21454124=C37EE9A2EAE73EA9=0=%21AJFYm5zGTQyGk3U=photos
>>
>> Link again to the photos, just to save scrolling 

[RBW] Re: Let's See Some Clem/Clementine Pics

[Bill Lindsay]

Yikes.  Freezing water in your shift housing make it impossible to shift. 
 I haven't experienced that one (thank Lob).  Cold weather folks have to 
think about more things than I do.  

best
Bill

On Wednesday, November 4, 2015 at 10:05:22 AM UTC-8, Zed Martinez wrote:
>
> Mark: usually around 68cm or so. Depends on the shoes and pedals I use 
> most with the bike. I seem to like my saddle about 1-2cm lower than Grant's 
> method would recommend, but I definitely start getting some numbness and 
> hot patches in the balls of my feet if I have the saddle up that little 
> extra. Haven't measured this one yet, still dialing in the final. The 
> fenders are the SKS P55 ones. They just fit a charm with the 48mm 
> SwitchbackHills, which are the fattest road tires I plan to run. Wider will 
> be knobbies and I'll take the fenders off.
>
> iamkeith: I'm hoping it works, because I love the shape of the albastache 
> and how my hands drift and move across it better than any other bar, and 
> all the current alternatives from Riv suit me less (they generally have too 
> much rise near the bends which is really a sweet spot for me when I'm on a 
> good cruise, kick my wrist at weird angles and they start getting weird 
> fast. Curse my finicky wrists). That new choco-moose looks like it could be 
> a good solution for that down the road, much flatter through the bends, I'd 
> probably like that. Mostly, I have a roadster with north roads on it that 
> fall between the albastache and the albatross bars, and I find myself 
> wishing it let me go farther forward more often than I use it all the way 
> back on the grips, so, yeah, I'm hoping this splits that difference more. 
> Haven't ruled out needed to go to a 80mm Dirt Drop for the effective 65mm 
> reach instead of my 80mm Technomic though to really pull it off. I'll give 
> it the rest of the week and see if I settle into it. It's a neat posture, 
> you're way up in the air but still leaning a fair chunk forwards. I want to 
> like it, and nothing hurt or went numb, so, I think it'll work one way or 
> another.
>
> Bill: Whew, I tried. This is the third iteration of a project I've been 
> building and rebuilding around different frames the past two years. It 
> hasn't made it out on tour yet, but the stuff that I had on hand has 
> certainly survived the trials by fire to get here ;) I ran continuous 
> shifting because I ride year 'round in the midwest and I've had a couple 
> winters where slush and muck would get into the rear housing by the drop 
> and then promptly freeze 5 minutes after taking it out in the morning, 
> sticking me with a rather unwieldly 3 speed until I got to the office to 
> thaw it. It's just easier to run it continuous and have to change it out 
> less often, and I never miss a shift now no matter the temp. I haven't 
> tried the brakes yet, but they have a good inch or so they can drop before 
> they hit the rack, so, they will /probably/ work. But, if not, I'll live. 
> Usually if the front wheel is coming out it's flat anyway so it won't be a 
> major hindrance. But it should. I'll try tonight and report back.
>
> On Wednesday, November 4, 2015 at 12:47:25 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> Looks like you thought of just about everything.  Best wishes getting 
>> acquainted.  
>>
>> Why did you run continuous shift housing all the way back to the Rear 
>> Der?  
>> Do your front brakes QR open enough to get your front wheel out?  Or does 
>> the rack get in the way?  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 4, 2015 at 6:32:25 AM UTC-8, Zed Martinez wrote:
>>>
>>> Updated my photos with the complete build done (except wrapping the 
>>> bars, it's my couple days of fiddling with fit and dialing it in before 
>>> that). Tim, that Surly Nice Rack just barely fits, but fits it does. Had to 
>>> max out the bracket heights and it just barely caught braze-ons. Can't use 
>>> it on the upper braze-on at the fork end, it'll block QRs, so you have to 
>>> mount it where the fender would go and then mount the fender to the lower 
>>> rack bracket instead. Not a big deal, I've done that on the last two bikes 
>>> that rack lived on too. It's a tight fit at the mid fork ones, so, I 
>>> wrapped them with some tape first to minimize scraping and scuffing, but 
>>> all in all, was actually the easiest time I've ever had installing that 
>>> rack.
>>>
>>> Got in to work this morning and a coworker who admires Riv bikes and has 
>>> been waiting to see mine caught me at the door and insisted on getting my 
>>> photo with it. It's a nice looking rig all built up, but it'll take me a 
>>> couple more rides to get used to how it rides. With the albastache I have 
>>> about the same lean to the bars I did on my 650b Rivenfried mid-80's Fuji 
>>> this replaces, except the bars are like 5" higher up. My body is confused 
>>> because half of it's like my previous build and half is like my 3-speed 
>>> roadster. Rides pretty well 

[RBW] Re: Let's See Some Clem/Clementine Pics

[Tim Wood]

Looks good Zed, nice build. I'm curious to see how the front surly rack looks 
on there, keep the photos coming!

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[RBW] Re: Let's See Some Clem/Clementine Pics

[Deacon Patrick]

Posted in a different thread, but here are the black and blue (turquoise) 
Clementines on their first (wee) adventure yesterday:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/22712606132/in/dateposted-public/

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, November 3, 2015 at 10:30:06 AM UTC-7, RDS wrote:
>
> I was just curious to see how all of the colors turned out for each 
> model.  Please, let's see some pics whether bike or frame.
>

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[RBW] Re: Let's See Some Clem/Clementine Pics

[Zed Martinez]

I've got a 52cm green frame in the stand right now about half built, hoping 
to finish it tonight. The green came out pretty much exactly like the 
pre-production demos showed. Sorry the pic in the stand is blurry, it was 
late and I took it in a hurry last night.

https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=C37EE9A2EAE73EA9!454124=!AJFYm5zGTQyGk3U=album%2c

On Tuesday, November 3, 2015 at 12:30:06 PM UTC-5, RDS wrote:
>
> I was just curious to see how all of the colors turned out for each 
> model.  Please, let's see some pics whether bike or frame.
>

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[RBW] Re: Let's See Some Clem/Clementine Pics

[Philip Kim]

Also curious as to how people like the Clementine. Looks like the Cheviot 
is all out everywhere, and looking for clementine or chev to do 
pointless-riding-just-to-ride type of biking.

On Tuesday, November 3, 2015 at 12:30:06 PM UTC-5, RDS wrote:
>
> I was just curious to see how all of the colors turned out for each 
> model.  Please, let's see some pics whether bike or frame.
>

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[RBW] Re: Let's See Some Clem/Clementine Pics

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

That is a real nice green, almost like a British racing green. I have a 
Kuwahara with a similar shade, maybe a bit deeper, bit less blue. Overall I 
much prefer the color choices for the Clem vs. the Clementine. Which I 
guess is why I went with black.

On Tuesday, November 3, 2015 at 12:44:21 PM UTC-5, Zed Martinez wrote:
>
> I've got a 52cm green frame in the stand right now about half built, 
> hoping to finish it tonight. The green came out pretty much exactly like 
> the pre-production demos showed. Sorry the pic in the stand is blurry, it 
> was late and I took it in a hurry last night.
>
>
> https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=C37EE9A2EAE73EA9!454124=!AJFYm5zGTQyGk3U=album%2c
>
> On Tuesday, November 3, 2015 at 12:30:06 PM UTC-5, RDS wrote:
>>
>> I was just curious to see how all of the colors turned out for each 
>> model.  Please, let's see some pics whether bike or frame.
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Let's See Some Clem/Clementine Pics

[jandrews_nyc]

Is that the exact same green as SimpleOne slimy green?






On Tuesday, November 3, 2015 at 3:14:05 PM UTC-5, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>
> That is a real nice green, almost like a British racing green. I have a 
> Kuwahara with a similar shade, maybe a bit deeper, bit less blue. Overall I 
> much prefer the color choices for the Clem vs. the Clementine. Which I 
> guess is why I went with black.
>
> On Tuesday, November 3, 2015 at 12:44:21 PM UTC-5, Zed Martinez wrote:
>>
>> I've got a 52cm green frame in the stand right now about half built, 
>> hoping to finish it tonight. The green came out pretty much exactly like 
>> the pre-production demos showed. Sorry the pic in the stand is blurry, it 
>> was late and I took it in a hurry last night.
>>
>>
>> https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=C37EE9A2EAE73EA9!454124=!AJFYm5zGTQyGk3U=album%2c
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 3, 2015 at 12:30:06 PM UTC-5, RDS wrote:
>>>
>>> I was just curious to see how all of the colors turned out for each 
>>> model.  Please, let's see some pics whether bike or frame.
>>>
>>

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