Re: [RBW] Re: MIT Roadeo coming?

[Mark Anderson]

On Friday, August 3, 2018 at 12:39:58 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> What the heck is niobium?? I have Oakley shades made of "unobtanium", 
> which sounds about as legit.


Niobium is element 41, a transition metal.  It was previously called 
columbium, but the name change was some time ago.  

Niobium bike tubes are steel with a wee bit of niobium alloyed in.  It 
presumably changes the properties of the steel in some way I can't be 
bothered to worry about.

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Re: [RBW] Re: MIT Roadeo coming?

[Lum Gim Fong]

A few years ago they had more sizes. Guess they got bought up.

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Re: [RBW] Re: MIT Roadeo coming?

[Belopsky]

Did anyone miss the part that Alex's only has 52cm in stock? OK cool.

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Re: [RBW] Re: MIT Roadeo coming?

[Lum Gim Fong]

I think it would have been nice for them to ask RBW first.
But RBW says they have had a really good relationship with “them” (toyo?). So 
they didn’t mind.

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Re: [RBW] Re: MIT Roadeo coming?

['Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Quite a difference between Grant/Riv and Specialized. Specialized threatened to 
sue a bike shop called Cafe Roubaix and the guy had to change the name.

http://bikesnobnyc.blogspot.com/2013/12/roubaix-roubaix-roubaix-roubaix.html

I'm not so sure I'm on board with someone else making and selling a 
"Rivendell." 

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Re: [RBW] Re: MIT Roadeo coming?

[Don Compton]

The largest size is 56ctc. Oh well

On Friday, August 3, 2018 at 9:13:18 AM UTC-7, Brewster Fong wrote:
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>
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> https://alexscycle.com/collections/randonneur-frames/products/rivendell-rambouillet-frame-front-fork-1
>
> On Friday, August 3, 2018 at 7:39:16 AM UTC-7, Fullylugged wrote:
>>
>> Alex cycles has new Rams made with niobium tubing in blue and green in 
>> 50, 52, and 56 sizes for $1,625 plus shipping (frameset).  Good deal for 
>> those wanting them. I think supply is very limited. 
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone 
>>
>> > On Aug 3, 2018, at 8:56 AM, 'Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote: 
>> > 
>> > Christopher, what do you mean that it's still possible to get a new Ram 
>> from Japan? Is there NOS out there? Nothing I have read or heard would lead 
>> me to believe that there are new Ramboullets coming out of Japan. This 
>> would not be the first time I've not known what I'm talking about. 
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[RBW] Re: MIT Roadeo coming?

[Lum Gim Fong]

I contacted rbw about it because i wanted to get one if real and also wanted 
them to know it was going on.

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[RBW] Re: MIT Roadeo coming?

[Lum Gim Fong]

That’s what they emailed back to me that they didn’t mind and wished them well 
with it, iirc.

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[RBW] Re: MIT Roadeo coming?

[Lum Gim Fong]

RBW Was unaware but didn’t mind because they have had good relations with the 
Japanese in the past on projects.

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[RBW] Re: MIT Roadeo coming?

[DarinM]

Really? As in, Riv was unaware of them being sold and they weren’t part of Riv 
production run? That seems really strange. I know lots of Riv designs aren't 
exclusive and are available to other distributors (like Nitto bars and racks) 
but a whole bike?? That doesn’t really sit well with me, hopefully it’s not as 
it seems and they are somehow in on those.

Darin

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[RBW] Re: MIT Roadeo coming?

[Lum Gim Fong]

Bill Lyndsay first posted about alex cycles having them.

I called RBW to see if they knew if the Alex frames were the real deal and 
they told me the info I posted above about the possible leftover lugs but 
unknown what tubing Alex would be using since RBW thought they used it all 
up for their own ordered runs. Either way, RBW was fine with them doing it.

T.O.M. (lister here) bought one and had it custom painted so we still wait 
for the word from him how it rides.


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Re: [RBW] Re: MIT Roadeo coming?

[Joe Bernard]

It's come up a few times here. This thead is the most information I've seen 
about The Mystery Rambouillet. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: MIT Roadeo coming?

['Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I'm shocked, shocked, I tell you! Has the Alex Ram been mentioned here before 
and I missed it? I would have thought it would get mentioned more often. I 
don't recall ever having seen it mentioned on the Blug or Blahg. At that price 
I'd think they would sell quite a few of those.

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Re: [RBW] Re: MIT Roadeo coming?

[Belopsky]

actually only the 52 in green and blue is available

On Friday, August 3, 2018 at 12:13:18 PM UTC-4, Brewster Fong wrote:
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>
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> https://alexscycle.com/collections/randonneur-frames/products/rivendell-rambouillet-frame-front-fork-1
>
> On Friday, August 3, 2018 at 7:39:16 AM UTC-7, Fullylugged wrote:
>>
>> Alex cycles has new Rams made with niobium tubing in blue and green in 
>> 50, 52, and 56 sizes for $1,625 plus shipping (frameset).  Good deal for 
>> those wanting them. I think supply is very limited. 
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone 
>>
>> > On Aug 3, 2018, at 8:56 AM, 'Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote: 
>> > 
>> > Christopher, what do you mean that it's still possible to get a new Ram 
>> from Japan? Is there NOS out there? Nothing I have read or heard would lead 
>> me to believe that there are new Ramboullets coming out of Japan. This 
>> would not be the first time I've not known what I'm talking about. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: MIT Roadeo coming?

[bruce.herbit...@gmail.com]

 I don't think they're using actual niobium tubes (these go in nuclear 
reactors) but rather an alloy.  See this page from Columbus.
Columbus Tubi


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On Friday, August 3, 2018, 1:59:57 PM CDT, Brewster Fong  
wrote:  
 
 Niobium tubing is Chinese-made tubing that I think Ritchey uses on its steel 
frames:

http://www.firmetal.com/niobium/niobium-tube-pipe.html

After all, weren't people asking what is Kaisei tubing just a few years ago?!  
Of course, Kaisei tubing use to be known as Ishiwata tubing which is good 
stuff!  

Good Luck!

On Friday, August 3, 2018 at 10:39:58 AM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
What the heck is niobium?? I have Oakley shades made of "unobtanium", which 
sounds about as legit. 


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Re: [RBW] Re: MIT Roadeo coming?

[Brewster Fong]

Niobium tubing is Chinese-made tubing that I think Ritchey uses on its 
steel frames:

http://www.firmetal.com/niobium/niobium-tube-pipe.html

After all, weren't people asking what is Kaisei tubing just a few years 
ago?!  Of course, Kaisei tubing use to be known as Ishiwata tubing which is 
good stuff!  

Good Luck!

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>
> What the heck is niobium?? I have Oakley shades made of "unobtanium", 
> which sounds about as legit. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: MIT Roadeo coming?

[Bruce Herbitter]

Beautiful bike!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 3, 2018, at 12:44 PM, Brian Campbell  wrote:
> 
> I bought a used custom on this list as my "poor man's" Roadeo. It fits 32's 
> without fenders and minus the seat bag and water bottle weighs just shy of 
> 22lbs. Light weight tubing throughout and no accomodations for racks.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Tuesday, July 31, 2018 at 9:06:05 AM UTC-4, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>> Let me qualify what I said by saying I thought I read Roadeo is 7/4/7. 
>> Legolas I thought I read that, too, but I think only way to get is custom 
>> .
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[RBW] Re: MIT Roadeo coming?

[Brian Campbell]

I bought a used custom on this list as my "poor man's" Roadeo. It fits 32's 
without fenders and minus the seat bag and water bottle weighs just shy of 
22lbs. Light weight tubing throughout and no accomodations for racks.




On Tuesday, July 31, 2018 at 9:06:05 AM UTC-4, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
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> Let me qualify what I said by saying I thought I read Roadeo is 7/4/7. 
> Legolas I thought I read that, too, but I think only way to get is custom 
> .

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Re: [RBW] Re: MIT Roadeo coming?

[Joe Bernard]

What the heck is niobium?? I have Oakley shades made of "unobtanium", which 
sounds about as legit. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: MIT Roadeo coming?

[Lum Gim Fong]

RBW said Alex’s Rams might be made of leftover lugs but they don’t know what 
tubing they would be using so I wonder if it is really the same thing?

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Re: [RBW] Re: MIT Roadeo coming?

[Brewster Fong]

https://alexscycle.com/collections/randonneur-frames/products/rivendell-rambouillet-frame-front-fork-1

On Friday, August 3, 2018 at 7:39:16 AM UTC-7, Fullylugged wrote:
>
> Alex cycles has new Rams made with niobium tubing in blue and green in 50, 
> 52, and 56 sizes for $1,625 plus shipping (frameset).  Good deal for those 
> wanting them. I think supply is very limited. 
>
> Sent from my iPhone 
>
> > On Aug 3, 2018, at 8:56 AM, 'Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote: 
> > 
> > Christopher, what do you mean that it's still possible to get a new Ram 
> from Japan? Is there NOS out there? Nothing I have read or heard would lead 
> me to believe that there are new Ramboullets coming out of Japan. This 
> would not be the first time I've not known what I'm talking about. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: MIT Roadeo coming?

[Bruce Herbitter]

Alex cycles has new Rams made with niobium tubing in blue and green in 50, 52, 
and 56 sizes for $1,625 plus shipping (frameset).  Good deal for those wanting 
them. I think supply is very limited. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 3, 2018, at 8:56 AM, 'Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>  wrote:
> 
> Christopher, what do you mean that it's still possible to get a new Ram from 
> Japan? Is there NOS out there? Nothing I have read or heard would lead me to 
> believe that there are new Ramboullets coming out of Japan. This would not be 
> the first time I've not known what I'm talking about. 
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[RBW] Re: MIT Roadeo coming?

['Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Christopher, what do you mean that it's still possible to get a new Ram from 
Japan? Is there NOS out there? Nothing I have read or heard would lead me to 
believe that there are new Ramboullets coming out of Japan. This would not be 
the first time I've not known what I'm talking about. 

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[RBW] Re: MIT Roadeo coming?

[PG]

Me too. Best handling bike I've ever ridden...

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[RBW] Re: MIT Roadeo coming?

[sameness]

You and me and Grant.

Jeff "85-ish Club" Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA

On Thursday, August 2, 2018 at 3:18:33 PM UTC-7, Christopher Murray wrote:
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> With a pbh just under 85, all of Riv’s bikes seem to fit me perfectly. 
> I’ve actually had people ask me if my Rivs were custom bc the fit it so 
> good. I suspect someone at Rivendell who designs bikes is very similar in 
> size to me.

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[RBW] Re: MIT Roadeo coming?

[Lum Gim Fong]

I am not sure if the Alex cycles Rams are the same as RBW Rambouillets 
because Alex's fabricator may have left over original lugs to use for their 
builds but it is unknown what tubing they are using for them, so may not be 
the same tube specs as the original Rivendells. I guess a call to Alex may 
clear it up.
They are not left over Rams from the original Rivendell run.

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[RBW] Re: MIT Roadeo coming?

[Lum Gim Fong]

So you feel the Roadini rode the best out of the three?

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[RBW] Re: MIT Roadeo coming?

[Christopher Murray]

I have owned a Ram, Rodeo, and Roadini. They are all great bikes and if you can 
get over the lack of lugs and the fit is ok, the Roadini gives up nothing to 
the other two. With a pbh just under 85, all of Riv’s bikes seem to fit me 
perfectly. I’ve actually had people ask me if my Rivs were custom bc the fit it 
so good. I suspect someone at Rivendell who designs bikes is very similar in 
size to me. If I was buying new (and it is still possible to get a new Ram from 
Japan) I would get the Roadini, then the Roadeo, then the Ram. 

Cheers!
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[RBW] Re: MIT Roadeo coming?

[Lum Gim Fong]

There was a 53 (my size) for sale here last year but I passed. Price was great, 
too.
It was still bumped at last OP post and not reported sold but by now must be. 

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[RBW] Re: MIT Roadeo coming?

[Leslie]

I'm going to concur w/ Joe here...the Roadini is as close to a MIT 
Roadeo as you'll ever see.RBW has been moving towards the sloping top 
tube for fitment.

If you want a 'classic' level top tube, I'm gonna say, hunt down a 
Roadeo...   they turn up here every so often...

-L

 

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> It will not be MIT. No one has ever even hinted at this. Even once. 

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[RBW] Re: MIT Roadeo coming?

[Kainalu V.]

Yup, the dream of being 6'2"...
But that's why the overly tall love Rivendell so, because they care. Maybe not 
enough to make our dreamy fat tyred planing machines, but at least bikes that 
fit. That said, where'd the 65 roadinis go! All presold to collectors no doubt.
-Kai
BKNY

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[RBW] Re: MIT Roadeo coming?

[Kieran J]

I pine daily for an OS 7/4/7 phattie-tire road bike in 67cm. It would look 
approximately like a Roadeo. 
Perhaps one day my dream will come true.

KJ


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> Oops... correction:
> Roadeo tubing is even lighter than I thought, at least when it first came 
> out. Wonder what it will be if MIT?
> From an article when the MUSA version first came out:
>
> "Mix of Reynolds 725 and TrueTemp OX Plat. As thin as I/Grant could stand 
> to go. (0.65 butts in the tt and dt, with 0.45 bellies)"
>
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[RBW] Re: MIT Roadeo coming?

[Joe Bernard]

It will not be MIT. No one has ever even hinted at this. Even once. 

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[RBW] Re: MIT Roadeo coming?

[Lum Gim Fong]

Oops... correction:
Roadeo tubing is even lighter than I thought, at least when it first came 
out. Wonder what it will be if MIT?
>From an article when the MUSA version first came out:

"Mix of Reynolds 725 and TrueTemp OX Plat. As thin as I/Grant could stand 
to go. (0.65 butts in the tt and dt, with 0.45 bellies)"


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Re: [RBW] Re: MIT Roadeo coming?

[Patrick Moore]

After reading the rest of the thread, I *did* hear from a couple of others!

Patrick Moore, who would take a 57.

On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 6:33 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> I'd be interested to hear from others who have ridden both: does the
> Roadeo ride differently from the Ram and, if so, how? One earlier
> respondent said that the Roodeo was slightly quicker in handling and felt
> more spritely.
>
> I'd buy a Roadeo if this were true; I've owned a Ram, and though a worthy
> bike, it was a wee bit sedate for my use of it (that is, I wanted a true
> "road bike" and not at all an all rounder or tourer.)
>
> On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 5:10 PM, Justin, Oakland 
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>> If you already have a Ram then I don’t know if the Roadeo will be a huge
>> change. Unless there’s a tire you can’t fit.
>> -J
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Re: [RBW] Re: MIT Roadeo coming?

[Patrick Moore]

I'd be interested to hear from others who have ridden both: does the Roadeo
ride differently from the Ram and, if so, how? One earlier respondent said
that the Roodeo was slightly quicker in handling and felt more spritely.

I'd buy a Roadeo if this were true; I've owned a Ram, and though a worthy
bike, it was a wee bit sedate for my use of it (that is, I wanted a true
"road bike" and not at all an all rounder or tourer.)

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> change. Unless there’s a tire you can’t fit.
> -J
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[RBW] Re: MIT Roadeo coming?

[Mike Godwin]

Having owned Ramboullet, Roadeo and Legolas, the Legolas seemed snappier, 
slightly planing for me. It was/is 63 cm Legolas, 62 Ram, and currently 61 cm 
Roadeo. Roadeo accepts 36mm wide actual tires, IIRC Ram was about 40. Roadeo 
lighter road bike feel compared to Ram. Roadeo does not plane but it does 
behave well. Still on fence about keeping it. Ram lives in either Florida or 
Mumbai, Legolas in Walnut Creek.
Mike SLO CA

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[RBW] Re: MIT Roadeo coming?

[Paul G]

Indeed, all Roadeo sizes below 59cm are 7/4/7. Anything 59cm and up is 
8/5/8. There are also other details to shave grams like the tiny chain stay 
bridge and modified Hilsen lugs. Cool details and a great design for riding 
in a pack. Very maneuverable without being overly twitchy, particularly 
with light 28mm tires. I think that's what separates this model from the 
others. That sharp handling.

In this current Rivendell era, it's interesting that this model even 
exists, what with it's emphasis on light weight. Such a cool bike.

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> Let me qualify what I said by saying I thought I read Roadeo is 7/4/7. 
> Legolas I thought I read that, too, but I think only way to get is custom 
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[RBW] Re: MIT Roadeo coming?

[Justin, Oakland]

If you already have a Ram then I don’t know if the Roadeo will be a huge 
change. Unless there’s a tire you can’t fit. 
-J

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[RBW] Re: MIT Roadeo coming?

['Tony McG' via RBW Owners Bunch]

In 2011 I couldn’t afford a Hilsen, so I had Rivendell build a San Marcos for 
me. It was a typical Riv build with Nitto, bar-ends, Rich-built wheels, and 3x9 
drivetrain. It is pretty, comfortable, and it loves to climb hills and fly down 
the other side. I’m in the process of replacing the drivetrain to a 2x9 (46,30 
x 11-34) if Merry Sales ever sends me the IRD Lobo crankset that I ordered last 
April. The Rodeo would be another dream bike, but I’m happy with the Soma.

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[RBW] Re: MIT Roadeo coming?

[Lum Gim Fong]

*Thanks for the info and asking, everyone!*

*RE: Sam Marcos: *Back in 2012/13,  I originally looked into one for price 
reasons while eyeing a new Rivbike, but the full build would have cost 
almost the same as a Rivbuilt Sam so I went full Rivbike Sam.
I already had a used Bleriot.
Riding both I determined that I would like something easier to pedal down 
the road. Then I traded the Sam for my Rambouillet and that was much easier 
to get on down the road.
Then I thought next bike I want to go with even a snappier Riv frameset  
and Roadeo seems to be the snappiest they make without 6 degree TT and long 
stays.

I don't like 6 degree top tubes because they don't look like a "10-speed" 
anymore to my eye. So Marcos and Roadini out. Rivbikes are alotta money so 
I want to get something I like looking at, too.

*RE: Roadini  *being fantastically engineered: Just read the description of 
all the frame features on the Rivsite. That is a well thought out bike. Of 
course, I am not an expert and have no data to base the "best" on, but I 
bet on the entire earth that bike and Rivbikes in general are in the 
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[RBW] Re: MIT Roadeo coming?

[Chris Birkenmaier]

+1 on the Soma San Marcos.  I really love mine!  Light and nimble feeling 
ride.

On Tuesday, July 31, 2018 at 1:56:25 PM UTC-4, Leslie wrote:
>
> Almost sounds like what you're wanting is the Soma San Marcos...
>
> http://www.somafab.com/archives/product/san-marcos-frame-set 
>
>
> Maybe keep your eye peeled for one of those?
>
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[RBW] Re: MIT Roadeo coming?

[Leslie]

Almost sounds like what you're wanting is the Soma San Marcos...

http://www.somafab.com/archives/product/san-marcos-frame-set 


Maybe keep your eye peeled for one of those?


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[RBW] Re: MIT Roadeo coming?

[Lum Gim Fong]

I could do a used Roadeo if the blue one and in good shape if no more new ones 
coming out. I will email RBW to see.
Or..an orange Rambouillet...
But I really would like a Roadeo.
I will wait to see what they announce in the works for next year.

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[RBW] Re: MIT Roadeo coming?

[Brewster Fong]

On Tuesday, July 31, 2018 at 6:03:15 AM UTC-7, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>
>  Although the Roadini is probably the best engineered bike on earth right 
> now. 
>

Can you explain what makes the Roadini the *best engineered bike on earth* 
right now?!  It looks like a regular tig-welded frame with a fancy seat 
lug?!  

Thanks.

>
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[RBW] Re: MIT Roadeo coming?

[Ryan M.]

Not sure how much the Roadeo ever fit into what people think the "Riv 
philosophy" is, but I had a 53cm Roadeo painted orange (since sold on this 
list) with 11 speed Ultegra on it and it was by far my most comfortable and 
fun road bike, plus it was absolutely gorgeous...fast too. The Roadeo had 
great lugs and was built extremely well. I kinda lust after a Legolas which 
I hear is a canti post Roadeo, which I think would make a spectacular 
cyclocross bike but I got some other projects going on and want to get the 
new mtb Riv when it comes out. 

I'd imagine the Roadeo will be like the USA Atlantis and such...special 
order and, of course, more expensive. 

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[RBW] Re: MIT Roadeo coming?

[Brewster Fong]

Is this a good comparison?!  Doesn't the Roadeo have lugs at all joints? 
This roadini thing looks mainly tig-welded except for the seat lug which 
looks...well, different. 

I'm not against bikes made in Taiwan, as Maxway and Giant (mainly carbon) 
make good stuff. But this doesn't appear to be a good comparison.  Is there 
something else?

Good Luck! 

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> It's already out. https://www.rivbike.com/products/roadini
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[RBW] Re: MIT Roadeo coming?

[Joe Bernard]

That's my impression, too, Igor. Roadeo is an older mostly-level-toptube 700c 
design with mid-reach brakes like the Rambouillet; it never struck me as a big 
seller, nor one that Riv promoted much. I expect it to remain a MUSA bike you 
can special order, but I don't see a same-name MIT version in its future.  

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[RBW] Re: MIT Roadeo coming?

[Belopsky]

I have absolutely no data to back up my claim but the Roadeo did not sell 
as well as the other models and I don't see them bringing it in as MIT 
model.

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[RBW] Re: MIT Roadeo coming?

[Jonathan D.]

I think for MIT Roadini = roadeo. All the MIT models have slipping top tubes 
and longer chainstays then the MUSA counterpart. I don’t think another one is 
coming out. 

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[RBW] Re: MIT Roadeo coming?

[Lum Gim Fong]

Let me qualify what I said by saying I thought I read Roadeo is 7/4/7. Legolas 
I thought I read that, too, but I think only way to get is custom .

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[RBW] Re: MIT Roadeo coming?

[Lum Gim Fong]

No, Hilsen has thicker tubing IIRC and Roadini has 6degree sloping TT and isn’t 
fully lugged. Although the Roadini is probably the best engineered bike on 
earth right now.

I already have two 8/5/8 Rivendells and am interested in trying a 7/4/7 with 
shorter chainstay Riv like a Roadeo.

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[RBW] Re: MIT Roadeo coming?

[Belopsky]

It's already out. https://www.rivbike.com/products/roadini

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