Re: [RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[Belopsky]

I just sold my Grand Bois actually, it was a lovely bike but I could not 
justify hanging on to it with two Bob Jackson's to ride. I would be real 
tempted to get a used Clementine or a Cheviot as my commuter/all arounder 
though. Ugh.

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Re: [RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[Belopsky]

I've been trying to get all my miles on my single speed..here's another 
photo from today :)

https://www.flickr.com/photos/14767344@N07/33870656261/in/dateposted-public/

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Re: [RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[Eric Daume]

I'm working hard to keep up with Igor. I bought six and sold six in 2016
, and I'm on
a similar track for this year: two more bought, one for sale, one sale
pending, and several more in line for sale. And of course I have my eyes on
some new metal.

One thing I tend to do: once N+1 > too many, I move into downsizing mode.
"Too many" for me turns out to be seven. I'll probably sell 4 or 5 and buy
1 or 2 more, until the next batch comes around.

Eric Daume
Plain City, OH, where I hope to buy used and avoid depreciation for obvious
reasons.

On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 1:08 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> Igor
>
> How many bikes does that make in the last year?  Bikes that you have either
>
> bought
> sold
> tried to sell
> bought and sold
>
> By my rough count, it's got to be at least a dozen since last July.  You
> are on fire with the buying and selling.  You seem to be on a determined
> quest for something, and I hope you find it.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
>
> On Tuesday, April 11, 2017 at 7:01:19 AM UTC-7, Belopsky wrote:
>>
>> Here's my latest :)
>>
>>
>> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[Justin August]

Bill-
That's great advice that I'll give to my niece who's on a tour of colleges 
right now.

I also wish someone had told me that about bikes and dating. I just learned the 
hard way there as well.

-J

On Apr 12, 2017, 12:12 PM -0700, Bill Lindsay , wrote:
> This came up in conversation this last week. My son has started looking at 
> colleges. He's got plenty of time, so my main advice to him was that he is 
> not done looking until he visits at least one college that he doesn't like. 
> If they all seem great, keep looking. It's only when you figure out one that 
> you don't like that you have the context to make a better choice for what you 
> do like. That has always been my big-picture dating advice. Date at least 
> until you've dated one person that you don't want to marry. That was always 
> my bike shopping advice: new bikes all tend to be awesome. Test ride bikes at 
> least until you've ridden one bike that you don't want to buy.
>
> On Wednesday, April 12, 2017 at 11:50:47 AM UTC-7, Austin B wrote:
> > I totally get this and have been doing it the last couple years.
> >
> > Anyone need a 61cm Velo Orange Pass Hunter frameset?
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wednesday, April 12, 2017 at 12:21:18 PM UTC-4, Belopsky wrote:
> > > Probably a lot. Would have been less had I spent my money on a wiser 
> > > choice from the get-go, but I also feel like I needed to go through all 
> > > the bikes to determine what I liked..
> > > > >
>
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[RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[Bill Lindsay]

This came up in conversation this last week.  My son has started looking at 
colleges.  He's got plenty of time, so my main advice to him was that he is 
not done looking until he visits at least one college that he doesn't like. 
 If they all seem great, keep looking.  It's only when you figure out one 
that you don't like that you have the context to make a better choice for 
what you do like.  That has always been my big-picture dating advice.  Date 
at least until you've dated one person that you don't want to marry.  That 
was always my bike shopping advice:  new bikes all tend to be awesome. 
 Test ride bikes at least until you've ridden one bike that you don't want 
to buy.  

On Wednesday, April 12, 2017 at 11:50:47 AM UTC-7, Austin B wrote:
>
> I totally get this and have been doing it the last couple years.
>
> Anyone need a 61cm Velo Orange Pass Hunter frameset?
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, April 12, 2017 at 12:21:18 PM UTC-4, Belopsky wrote:
>>
>> Probably a lot. Would have been less had I spent my money on a wiser 
>> choice from the get-go, but I also feel like I needed to go through all the 
>> bikes to determine what I liked..
>>
>>>


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[RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[Austin B]

I totally get this and have been doing it the last couple years.

Anyone need a 61cm Velo Orange Pass Hunter frameset?



On Wednesday, April 12, 2017 at 12:21:18 PM UTC-4, Belopsky wrote:
>
> Probably a lot. Would have been less had I spent my money on a wiser 
> choice from the get-go, but I also feel like I needed to go through all the 
> bikes to determine what I liked..
>
>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[Belopsky]

Chris that was a response to Bill, who I have quoted.

On Wednesday, April 12, 2017 at 1:36:42 PM UTC-4, Chris Birkenmaier wrote:
>
> Not sure which post you were responding to but your comment in general 
> about going through a number of bikes to determine what you liked is where 
> I'm coming from.  My tastes in bikes and riding styles and handlebars, etc. 
> has greatly changed over the past few years.  That meant a number of bikes 
> have rotated through.  Can get expensive but it all works out in the end.
>
> On Wednesday, April 12, 2017 at 12:21:18 PM UTC-4, Belopsky wrote:
>>
>> Probably a lot. Would have been less had I spent my money on a wiser 
>> choice from the get-go, but I also feel like I needed to go through all the 
>> bikes to determine what I liked..
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 11, 2017 at 1:08:28 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>> Igor
>>>
>>> How many bikes does that make in the last year?  Bikes that you have 
>>> either
>>>
>>> bought
>>> sold 
>>> tried to sell
>>> bought and sold
>>>
>>> By my rough count, it's got to be at least a dozen since last July.  You 
>>> are on fire with the buying and selling.  You seem to be on a determined 
>>> quest for something, and I hope you find it.
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 11, 2017 at 7:01:19 AM UTC-7, Belopsky wrote:

 Here's my latest :)


 



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[RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[Philip Kim]

same, also sometimes stock bikes can vary because there are only a handful 
of  geo choices. went through 4 rivs before settling on a 5th that fits and 
checks everything i wanted in a riv.

for my roadish bike, it took me only one trek 650b conversion until i 
settled on the pelican, which was awesome fit. gave it to my partner for 
her to ride, and got myself a norther custom. don't see myself buying 
another bike anymore, unless buying for my partner.

On Wednesday, April 12, 2017 at 1:36:42 PM UTC-4, Chris Birkenmaier wrote:
>
> Not sure which post you were responding to but your comment in general 
> about going through a number of bikes to determine what you liked is where 
> I'm coming from.  My tastes in bikes and riding styles and handlebars, etc. 
> has greatly changed over the past few years.  That meant a number of bikes 
> have rotated through.  Can get expensive but it all works out in the end.
>
> On Wednesday, April 12, 2017 at 12:21:18 PM UTC-4, Belopsky wrote:
>>
>> Probably a lot. Would have been less had I spent my money on a wiser 
>> choice from the get-go, but I also feel like I needed to go through all the 
>> bikes to determine what I liked..
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 11, 2017 at 1:08:28 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>> Igor
>>>
>>> How many bikes does that make in the last year?  Bikes that you have 
>>> either
>>>
>>> bought
>>> sold 
>>> tried to sell
>>> bought and sold
>>>
>>> By my rough count, it's got to be at least a dozen since last July.  You 
>>> are on fire with the buying and selling.  You seem to be on a determined 
>>> quest for something, and I hope you find it.
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 11, 2017 at 7:01:19 AM UTC-7, Belopsky wrote:

 Here's my latest :)


 



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[RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[Chris Birkenmaier]

Not sure which post you were responding to but your comment in general 
about going through a number of bikes to determine what you liked is where 
I'm coming from.  My tastes in bikes and riding styles and handlebars, etc. 
has greatly changed over the past few years.  That meant a number of bikes 
have rotated through.  Can get expensive but it all works out in the end.

On Wednesday, April 12, 2017 at 12:21:18 PM UTC-4, Belopsky wrote:
>
> Probably a lot. Would have been less had I spent my money on a wiser 
> choice from the get-go, but I also feel like I needed to go through all the 
> bikes to determine what I liked..
>
> On Tuesday, April 11, 2017 at 1:08:28 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> Igor
>>
>> How many bikes does that make in the last year?  Bikes that you have 
>> either
>>
>> bought
>> sold 
>> tried to sell
>> bought and sold
>>
>> By my rough count, it's got to be at least a dozen since last July.  You 
>> are on fire with the buying and selling.  You seem to be on a determined 
>> quest for something, and I hope you find it.
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 11, 2017 at 7:01:19 AM UTC-7, Belopsky wrote:
>>>
>>> Here's my latest :)
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[Belopsky]

Probably a lot. Would have been less had I spent my money on a wiser choice 
from the get-go, but I also feel like I needed to go through all the bikes 
to determine what I liked..

On Tuesday, April 11, 2017 at 1:08:28 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Igor
>
> How many bikes does that make in the last year?  Bikes that you have either
>
> bought
> sold 
> tried to sell
> bought and sold
>
> By my rough count, it's got to be at least a dozen since last July.  You 
> are on fire with the buying and selling.  You seem to be on a determined 
> quest for something, and I hope you find it.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Tuesday, April 11, 2017 at 7:01:19 AM UTC-7, Belopsky wrote:
>>
>> Here's my latest :)
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[Austin B]

I guess it probably is a bit small. It's a 62cm and I should probably be on 
a 64cm frame. But I found it locally on Craigslist cheap and the 62cm ES 
has a decent stack height (636mm) so I can get the bars up close to where I 
like 'em and level with the saddle (although I'm using a bunch of spacers).

My 63cm RB-1 is also a bit small but a Technomic stem makes it work.

My PBH is 93-94 and I like my saddle height at 81.5cm. Per the Roadini 
brochure: "A Roadini has the bar-height of a much bigger typical modern 
bike—so it’s more comfortable." I'll be most curious what the overall 
geometry and stack height will be for the 62cm size. It'll also have a 1" 
quill stem which is more flexible.

Stack height is the first thing I look at in geometry charts. Gunnar Sports 
have great stack heights, hence my interest in those.

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Re: [RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[Patrick Moore]

Austin: that's a pretty bike! But am I right in thinking that, as with
John's, it's a wee bit small?

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Re: [RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[John G.]

My issue with my Smoothie mostly had to do with size. I bought before I really 
understood my best fit. It kills
Me that I have nice Ultegra parts on a frame that's two sizes too small. On top 
of that, the ride just doesn't feel special, like my Atlantis or Mercian. And 
now I'm ina spot where I'm itching to build up a nicer version of he smoothie 
in a more appropriate size.

That being said, its miles better than the Surlys I used to ride, for just a 
little more money.

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Re: [RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[Austin B]

Patrick, there really isn't anything wrong with the ride of it.  To be 
fair, I really need to take it out again sometime--maybe I'll rediscover 
something I love about it. I haven't been on it since Nov or Dec.

I enjoyed riding it, but when I want a fast, nimble ride I grab the RB-1. 
When I go for distance or exploring, I grab the Hillborne. I think I need 
to find its place.

And you're right in that a Gunnar or a Roadini probably won't ride so 
different that I'd take notice (a Roadeo, probably I would).

All this talk about it makes me want to get out on it again...



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[RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[Bill Lindsay]

Igor

How many bikes does that make in the last year?  Bikes that you have either

bought
sold 
tried to sell
bought and sold

By my rough count, it's got to be at least a dozen since last July.  You 
are on fire with the buying and selling.  You seem to be on a determined 
quest for something, and I hope you find it.

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Tuesday, April 11, 2017 at 7:01:19 AM UTC-7, Belopsky wrote:
>
> Here's my latest :)
>
>
> 
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[Patrick Moore]

John and Austin: I'm curious why you both want to replace your Smoothies.
Me, I'm fully and personally aware of the desire to own a more expensive
version of something that does a job very well but also cheaply. But I'm
curious about your impression of the Smoothie as a gofast ride, since it
has had generally good reviews and because I've thought of buying one.

>From an early LB review:The Soma Smoothie is an intriguing bike and I am
grateful to have it at my disposal for long enough to truly get to know it.
My most dominant impression so far is that it is extremely comfortable for
something so aggressive and speedy. It strikes me as a good choice for
those who "want it all" in a single roadbike - speed, comfort, as well as
options for commuting and randonneuring - and want it at a reasonable price

On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 8:19 PM, John G.  wrote:

> Austin, I'm in the same boat as you. I have a Smoothie with great parts
> that never sees the road. I'm considering stripping it down and building up
> a nicer, fast-ish bike. Have you looked at anything else aside from the
> Roadeo and Roadini?
>
> On Sunday, April 9, 2017 at 8:07:25 AM UTC-4, Austin B wrote:
>>
>> N=3 bikes and I'd need to do some negotiating to have my marriage sustain
>> a 4th.
>>
>> *2016 Sam Hillborne *(big blue 62cm with 2TT) - set up with Compass Bon
>> Jon Pass for mostly road and occasional off-road day touring. Currently
>> running Noodles but seriously giving thought to converting to an Albastache
>> setup. And I'm looking for a decent, cheap rack to hold my panniers. This
>> bike will be left to one of my two kids in my will (I'm in my 40's and
>> don't expect this to happen for several decades BTW)
>> *1989 Bridgestone RB-1 -* my speedy retro go-fast "modernized" with bar
>> end shifters. This bike is fun and nimble. Will be left to my other kid who
>> doesn't get the Hillborne in my will.
>> *Soma Smoothie ES -* modern STI drivetrain road setup with wider tires
>> than the RB-1 as my lightweight comfort road bike. This bike hasn't seen
>> the road in 2017. I'd transfer the ES components in a second to a 63cm
>> Roadeo (or maybe the coming Roadini).
>>
>> Bob K--I live in Carroll County. Where around Baltimore do you take your
>> HIllborne for forest roads & single track?
>>
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[RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[Chris]

oh, I forgot...

for reference, I currently have the following:

Black Mtn Road
Black Mtn monster cross
Cannondale CAAD10 
Ibis carbon Hakkalugi
Barracuda A2V Mtn Bike (1995)
unbuilt 1996 Ibis steel Mojo frame

As a military guy, I have to keep my stable to a reasonable size for moving 
purposes...  but there are sure many other bikes I'd like have! :D

Chris

On Tuesday, April 11, 2017 at 10:43:29 AM UTC-4, Chris wrote:
>
> Good Morning all,
>
> Read through most of of the posts here...  
>
> I've had a lot of bikes including a Bleriot...one of the best, most 
> versatile, bikes I've had is my Black Mountain Cycles Road from Mike Varley 
> up in Point Reyes, CA (Marin Co). Mike has these bikes made overseas to his 
> specs by a small company. He continually tweaks where it's needed and he 
> rides the bikes he sells  
>
> I've never had a Ram or Legolas, but I would imagine the BMC would be 
> similar (maybe even a touch quicker than the Ram)...  
>
> Mike also offers a locally hand built version of his frames for a decent 
> price, I just can't imagine I'd notice a difference... 
>
> I have one of his road and monster cross frames, let me know if you have 
> any questions on them or just give Mike a call...  
>
> http://blackmtncycles.com/frames/
>
> Chris
>
> On Monday, April 3, 2017 at 11:24:18 AM UTC-4, Bob K. wrote:
>>
>> Hey Folks:
>>
>> I know threads somewhat similar to this pop up every now and again, but 
>> Ryan's question to Eric in the Rivendell Road SOLD thread made me wonder 
>> how folks settle on their stable size. I fall squarely in the minimalist 
>> camp, but I'm guessing others here probably don't. So:
>>
>> 1. How do you settle on what N equals for you? (N+1, I know, I know...)
>> 2. What bikes do you currently own/have in regular rotation and why do 
>> you own them? 
>>
>> My stable is currently at one because of a recent sale, but it will 
>> (soon) bump back up to two. I settled on two as the acceptable number of 
>> bikes for a number of reasons, but mostly because I can't imagine riding 
>> enough to justify having any more of them. We also don't have the space for 
>> me to store any additional bikes aside from in a somewhat humid basement, 
>> and neither my wife nor myself would appreciate more bikes in the corner of 
>> the living room as we're not big fans of clutter, especially clutter that 
>> doesn't get used very often.
>>
>> Current Stable:
>>
>> 1. 2009 Sam Hillborne (canti): Used mostly for road riding and touring 
>> and some occasional single track and forest roads if the ride 
>> allows/inspires it.
>>
>> 2. 2017 Surly Troll: I settled on the new Troll after a lengthy 
>> flirtation with the idea of buying a Crust Evasion and other bikes as well. 
>> I decided the Troll is better for my needs for a number of reasons: the 
>> geometry readily accepts a Jones H-Bar, 2x is easy vs. not doable at all 
>> with the Evasion, and my desired 26x3.0 setup doesn't require the need for 
>> expensive cranksets. It's also $300 cheaper and I like the maroon better 
>> than the also admittedly pretty Evasion color. It will take the place of my 
>> erstwhile Krampus as my mountain bike, off-road tourer, long distance 
>> tourer (if/when I get to do that!), kid trailer, and stuff hauler. 
>>
>> How about you?
>>
>> Bob K. in Baltimore
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[Chris]

Good Morning all,

Read through most of of the posts here...  

I've had a lot of bikes including a Bleriot...one of the best, most 
versatile, bikes I've had is my Black Mountain Cycles Road from Mike Varley 
up in Point Reyes, CA (Marin Co). Mike has these bikes made overseas to his 
specs by a small company. He continually tweaks where it's needed and he 
rides the bikes he sells  

I've never had a Ram or Legolas, but I would imagine the BMC would be 
similar (maybe even a touch quicker than the Ram)...  

Mike also offers a locally hand built version of his frames for a decent 
price, I just can't imagine I'd notice a difference... 

I have one of his road and monster cross frames, let me know if you have 
any questions on them or just give Mike a call...  

http://blackmtncycles.com/frames/

Chris

On Monday, April 3, 2017 at 11:24:18 AM UTC-4, Bob K. wrote:
>
> Hey Folks:
>
> I know threads somewhat similar to this pop up every now and again, but 
> Ryan's question to Eric in the Rivendell Road SOLD thread made me wonder 
> how folks settle on their stable size. I fall squarely in the minimalist 
> camp, but I'm guessing others here probably don't. So:
>
> 1. How do you settle on what N equals for you? (N+1, I know, I know...)
> 2. What bikes do you currently own/have in regular rotation and why do you 
> own them? 
>
> My stable is currently at one because of a recent sale, but it will (soon) 
> bump back up to two. I settled on two as the acceptable number of bikes for 
> a number of reasons, but mostly because I can't imagine riding enough to 
> justify having any more of them. We also don't have the space for me to 
> store any additional bikes aside from in a somewhat humid basement, and 
> neither my wife nor myself would appreciate more bikes in the corner of the 
> living room as we're not big fans of clutter, especially clutter that 
> doesn't get used very often.
>
> Current Stable:
>
> 1. 2009 Sam Hillborne (canti): Used mostly for road riding and touring and 
> some occasional single track and forest roads if the ride allows/inspires 
> it.
>
> 2. 2017 Surly Troll: I settled on the new Troll after a lengthy flirtation 
> with the idea of buying a Crust Evasion and other bikes as well. I decided 
> the Troll is better for my needs for a number of reasons: the geometry 
> readily accepts a Jones H-Bar, 2x is easy vs. not doable at all with the 
> Evasion, and my desired 26x3.0 setup doesn't require the need for expensive 
> cranksets. It's also $300 cheaper and I like the maroon better than the 
> also admittedly pretty Evasion color. It will take the place of my 
> erstwhile Krampus as my mountain bike, off-road tourer, long distance 
> tourer (if/when I get to do that!), kid trailer, and stuff hauler. 
>
> How about you?
>
> Bob K. in Baltimore
>
>

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[RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[Belopsky]

Here's my latest :)



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[RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[Austin B]

John G--part of my problem is that I turned my Soma ES into a bit of a 
frankenbike. About a year ago, I broke a dropout on my RB-1 and the Soma 
became my lightweight, fast bike--and it served that purpose well. But with 
the RB-1 back on the road, I stole the Noodles and seatpost/saddle from the 
Soma (they were on the RB-1 originally) and replaced them with things I've 
picked up at swap meets. But the Soma isn't nearly as nimble as the RB-1--I 
guess I have a bit of an overlap problem.

Also, and I realize it's silly, the Soma (to me) is "just a bike" whereas 
my Hillborne and RB-1 each have a soul and a pedigree. It shouldn't matter, 
but each of them just put a smile on my face when I ride them that I don't 
experience on the Soma.

Anyway, to your original question. Yes, I think about frameset alternatives 
all the time. Top o' the list is a Gunnar Sport. Curious about old 
Ramboullet frames. Boulder Cycles, Black Mountain Cycles, etc.--I bounce 
around them all at times. Then I think maybe another vintage frame to build 
up with the modern STI drivetrain--a Merckx or Miyata or something. I'm in 
no hurry--I've accepted my spec'ing a new bike as my hobby (I'm always 
doing it).

And then, I take GP's advice to "just ride" and head out to the garage to 
grab the RB-1 or Hillborne.

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Re: [RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[Justin August]

The All-City Mr Pink looks great. If I could get one at a reasonable price with 
the old steelfork I'd be all over it.

-Justin

On Apr 10, 2017, 7:19 PM -0700, John G. , wrote:
> Austin, I'm in the same boat as you. I have a Smoothie with great parts that 
> never sees the road. I'm considering stripping it down and building up a 
> nicer, fast-ish bike. Have you looked at anything else aside from the Roadeo 
> and Roadini?
>
> On Sunday, April 9, 2017 at 8:07:25 AM UTC-4, Austin B wrote:
> > N=3 bikes and I'd need to do some negotiating to have my marriage sustain a 
> > 4th.
> >
> > 2016 Sam Hillborne (big blue 62cm with 2TT) - set up with Compass Bon Jon 
> > Pass for mostly road and occasional off-road day touring. Currently running 
> > Noodles but seriously giving thought to converting to an Albastache setup. 
> > And I'm looking for a decent, cheap rack to hold my panniers. This bike 
> > will be left to one of my two kids in my will (I'm in my 40's and don't 
> > expect this to happen for several decades BTW)
> > 1989 Bridgestone RB-1 - my speedy retro go-fast "modernized" with bar end 
> > shifters. This bike is fun and nimble. Will be left to my other kid who 
> > doesn't get the Hillborne in my will.
> > Soma Smoothie ES - modern STI drivetrain road setup with wider tires than 
> > the RB-1 as my lightweight comfort road bike. This bike hasn't seen the 
> > road in 2017. I'd transfer the ES components in a second to a 63cm Roadeo 
> > (or maybe the coming Roadini).
> >
> > Bob K--I live in Carroll County. Where around Baltimore do you take your 
> > HIllborne for forest roads & single track?
> >
> >
>
>
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[RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[John G.]

Austin, I'm in the same boat as you. I have a Smoothie with great parts 
that never sees the road. I'm considering stripping it down and building up 
a nicer, fast-ish bike. Have you looked at anything else aside from the 
Roadeo and Roadini?

On Sunday, April 9, 2017 at 8:07:25 AM UTC-4, Austin B wrote:
>
> N=3 bikes and I'd need to do some negotiating to have my marriage sustain 
> a 4th.
>
> *2016 Sam Hillborne *(big blue 62cm with 2TT) - set up with Compass Bon 
> Jon Pass for mostly road and occasional off-road day touring. Currently 
> running Noodles but seriously giving thought to converting to an Albastache 
> setup. And I'm looking for a decent, cheap rack to hold my panniers. This 
> bike will be left to one of my two kids in my will (I'm in my 40's and 
> don't expect this to happen for several decades BTW)
> *1989 Bridgestone RB-1 -* my speedy retro go-fast "modernized" with bar 
> end shifters. This bike is fun and nimble. Will be left to my other kid who 
> doesn't get the Hillborne in my will.
> *Soma Smoothie ES -* modern STI drivetrain road setup with wider tires 
> than the RB-1 as my lightweight comfort road bike. This bike hasn't seen 
> the road in 2017. I'd transfer the ES components in a second to a 63cm 
> Roadeo (or maybe the coming Roadini).
>
> Bob K--I live in Carroll County. Where around Baltimore do you take your 
> HIllborne for forest roads & single track?
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[Belopsky]

OK maybe I'm mistaken "1. the roadeo has lighter tubes, but roadini’s tubes 
are light enough. they’re our own silver design, but we’ve chopped from the 
big-butted ends to minimize weight. it’s probably slightly stronger than 
necessary." So the section that is thicker is still there but it's shorter?

On Monday, April 10, 2017 at 11:01:47 AM UTC-4, Orc wrote:
>
> I'm not sure why you think the Roadini isn't double butted; the brochure 
> certainly implies that it is?   I'm not sure how /heavy/ the tubing is, but 
> saying that the tubes are cut from the big-butted end sounds like it's 
> being made from regular d-b tubing.
>
> -david parsons
>
>
>
> On Monday, April 10, 2017 at 6:53:55 AM UTC-7, Belopsky wrote:
>>
>> Austin,
>>
>> I am not sure why you would want to get a Roadini (just because it's a 
>> Riv?) - the tubing is going to be worse (at least on paper.) The Roadini is 
>> not double butted, so would be heavier and not as lively? That's just my 
>> opinion.
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[Patrick Moore]

Tubing aside, presumably the Roadini will also have the signature Rivendell
handling and "feel." I love my Matthews, but I do notice that it lacks that
signature handling of the 5 Rivendells I've owned. (Well, the '95 road
custom didn't possess this fit and feel as much as the other 2 and the Ram
and the Sam, but it had it to some extent.)

>
> On Monday, April 10, 2017 at 6:53:55 AM UTC-7, Belopsky wrote:
>>
>> Austin,
>>
>> I am not sure why you would want to get a Roadini (just because it's a
>> Riv?) - the tubing is going to be worse (at least on paper.) The Roadini is
>> not double butted, so would be heavier and not as lively? That's just my
>> opinion.
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[Orc]

I'm not sure why you think the Roadini isn't double butted; the brochure 
certainly implies that it is?   I'm not sure how /heavy/ the tubing is, but 
saying that the tubes are cut from the big-butted end sounds like it's 
being made from regular d-b tubing.

-david parsons



On Monday, April 10, 2017 at 6:53:55 AM UTC-7, Belopsky wrote:
>
> Austin,
>
> I am not sure why you would want to get a Roadini (just because it's a 
> Riv?) - the tubing is going to be worse (at least on paper.) The Roadini is 
> not double butted, so would be heavier and not as lively? That's just my 
> opinion.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[lconley]

Basically I buy bikes till I run out of room and/or money:

1 . Hubbuhubbuh - on the boat.
2 . Rosco Bubbe - # 7 of the 1st batch - single speed w/50mm Big Bens
3.  Sam Hillborne - metallic orange 56mm double TT, Curtis Odom Holey HF 
hubs, Velocity Synergy, OC rear, 44mm Compass SP, VO drillium crank, 22 
speed, Noodles - event bike (century, double century)
4 . Bombadil - touring, zero dish Phil Wood 7 speed freewheel RH, SON FH, 
40 spoke 650b Atlas wheels, Nitto Bullmoose
5 . Clementine - commuter
6.  Betty Foy - do I really need a reason?
7.  Protovelo (w/Appaloosa headbadge) - keep it in a storage unit in 
Everett, WA for when I am on the left coast

8.  1969? Gitane Tour de France
9.  1970 Gitane Tour de France - NOS
10. 1973 Schwinn Paramount P-15 - I bought this bike new at the Schwinn 
dealer in 1975
11. 1973 Schwinn Paramount P-15
12. 80s Schwinn Super Sport
13. Bike Friday Pocket Metro - this bike has been to Ascension Island 4 
times.
14. Trek District - the 1st one with the orange rims - the only bike I have 
with anything made out of carbon fiber (forks) Belt Drive
15. Trek Belleville
16. SE Bikes F@e Fat Bike
17. Flying Pigeon 
18. Scott SUB 10 Belt drive 8 speed commuter
19. Resurrectio - no-name nickel plated lugged Cro-Mo frame 1 speed

Wish I hadn't sold it (but I needed the money) late 70s MASI Gran Criterium





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Re: [RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[Lee Legrand]

One more thing, there was no need to clarify since I was responding to what
you said which I disagree which you seemed to ignored, even now.

On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 10:54 AM, Lee Legrand  wrote:

> I am not reprimanding you but that is how you came off in your reply.
>
> On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 9:53 AM, Belopsky 
> wrote:
>
>> Austin,
>>
>> I am not sure why you would want to get a Roadini (just because it's a
>> Riv?) - the tubing is going to be worse (at least on paper.) The Roadini is
>> not double butted, so would be heavier and not as lively? That's just my
>> opinion.
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, April 9, 2017 at 8:07:25 AM UTC-4, Austin B wrote:
>>>
>>> N=3 bikes and I'd need to do some negotiating to have my marriage
>>> sustain a 4th.
>>>
>>> *2016 Sam Hillborne *(big blue 62cm with 2TT) - set up with Compass Bon
>>> Jon Pass for mostly road and occasional off-road day touring. Currently
>>> running Noodles but seriously giving thought to converting to an Albastache
>>> setup. And I'm looking for a decent, cheap rack to hold my panniers. This
>>> bike will be left to one of my two kids in my will (I'm in my 40's and
>>> don't expect this to happen for several decades BTW)
>>> *1989 Bridgestone RB-1 -* my speedy retro go-fast "modernized" with bar
>>> end shifters. This bike is fun and nimble. Will be left to my other kid who
>>> doesn't get the Hillborne in my will.
>>> *Soma Smoothie ES -* modern STI drivetrain road setup with wider tires
>>> than the RB-1 as my lightweight comfort road bike. This bike hasn't seen
>>> the road in 2017. I'd transfer the ES components in a second to a 63cm
>>> Roadeo (or maybe the coming Roadini).
>>>
>>> Bob K--I live in Carroll County. Where around Baltimore do you take your
>>> HIllborne for forest roads & single track?
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[Lee Legrand]

I am not reprimanding you but that is how you came off in your reply.

On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 9:53 AM, Belopsky  wrote:

> Austin,
>
> I am not sure why you would want to get a Roadini (just because it's a
> Riv?) - the tubing is going to be worse (at least on paper.) The Roadini is
> not double butted, so would be heavier and not as lively? That's just my
> opinion.
>
>
> On Sunday, April 9, 2017 at 8:07:25 AM UTC-4, Austin B wrote:
>>
>> N=3 bikes and I'd need to do some negotiating to have my marriage sustain
>> a 4th.
>>
>> *2016 Sam Hillborne *(big blue 62cm with 2TT) - set up with Compass Bon
>> Jon Pass for mostly road and occasional off-road day touring. Currently
>> running Noodles but seriously giving thought to converting to an Albastache
>> setup. And I'm looking for a decent, cheap rack to hold my panniers. This
>> bike will be left to one of my two kids in my will (I'm in my 40's and
>> don't expect this to happen for several decades BTW)
>> *1989 Bridgestone RB-1 -* my speedy retro go-fast "modernized" with bar
>> end shifters. This bike is fun and nimble. Will be left to my other kid who
>> doesn't get the Hillborne in my will.
>> *Soma Smoothie ES -* modern STI drivetrain road setup with wider tires
>> than the RB-1 as my lightweight comfort road bike. This bike hasn't seen
>> the road in 2017. I'd transfer the ES components in a second to a 63cm
>> Roadeo (or maybe the coming Roadini).
>>
>> Bob K--I live in Carroll County. Where around Baltimore do you take your
>> HIllborne for forest roads & single track?
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[Belopsky]

Austin,

I am not sure why you would want to get a Roadini (just because it's a 
Riv?) - the tubing is going to be worse (at least on paper.) The Roadini is 
not double butted, so would be heavier and not as lively? That's just my 
opinion.

On Sunday, April 9, 2017 at 8:07:25 AM UTC-4, Austin B wrote:
>
> N=3 bikes and I'd need to do some negotiating to have my marriage sustain 
> a 4th.
>
> *2016 Sam Hillborne *(big blue 62cm with 2TT) - set up with Compass Bon 
> Jon Pass for mostly road and occasional off-road day touring. Currently 
> running Noodles but seriously giving thought to converting to an Albastache 
> setup. And I'm looking for a decent, cheap rack to hold my panniers. This 
> bike will be left to one of my two kids in my will (I'm in my 40's and 
> don't expect this to happen for several decades BTW)
> *1989 Bridgestone RB-1 -* my speedy retro go-fast "modernized" with bar 
> end shifters. This bike is fun and nimble. Will be left to my other kid who 
> doesn't get the Hillborne in my will.
> *Soma Smoothie ES -* modern STI drivetrain road setup with wider tires 
> than the RB-1 as my lightweight comfort road bike. This bike hasn't seen 
> the road in 2017. I'd transfer the ES components in a second to a 63cm 
> Roadeo (or maybe the coming Roadini).
>
> Bob K--I live in Carroll County. Where around Baltimore do you take your 
> HIllborne for forest roads & single track?
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Gee, and I thought I was not being defensive, but simply attempting to 
clarify what I said in my earlier post, since I felt *you* missed the 
point. You know, a pleasant, give and take, adult conversation. Thanks for 
setting me straight, dad! (Normally I would reply to something like this 
privately, but sheesh, give me a break. Do you really think this type of 
public reprimand was called for?)

On Sunday, April 9, 2017 at 7:51:16 AM UTC-4, Lee Legrand wrote:
>
> You missed the point and no need to begin response with a defensive 
> posture.  I am not your father or any authority figure wagging his finger 
> at you.  The point to my comment is that you can never find contentment on 
> external factors and bicycle should mostly based on need and no so much 
> collection.  Having less is not a sign of contentment nor is having many.
>
> On Sat, Apr 8, 2017 at 8:13 PM, 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
>> I never said someone with  x bicycles is more or less content than 
>> someone with x-y bicycles. I really doubt those of us who have more than, 
>> say, 2 or 3 bicycles actually *need* all of them. I do think that at 
>> some point, rather than bringing pleasure or contentment, a big bicycle 
>> collection can become a burden--whether financially, physically, or 
>> spiritually. What that number is for any particular person, I would not 
>> pretend to have any idea.
>>
>> On Saturday, April 8, 2017 at 8:35:38 AM UTC-4, Lee Legrand wrote:
>>>
>>> When contentment is derived from having things or having less things, 
>>> then contentment is always regulated on external things being set. Which is 
>>> always have within it, discontentment since nothing external is set but 
>>> comes and goes.  It is not so much as having bicycle N+1 bicycle but I 
>>> think it is more of need and opportunity.  If people bought bicycles based 
>>> on what they  used them for, instead of being fixated on fads and new gear, 
>>> it is not that they will have greater contentment but it bicycles are used 
>>> as needs as part of their life.  If a person can do whatever they needed on 
>>> one bicycles vs someone needing 3 bicycles to do what they need for their 
>>> life, why is the person with 3 less content than the one who has one? They 
>>> are using the bicycle out of necessity.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Apr 8, 2017 at 8:13 AM, 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
 I think this is somewhat more intricate, with many subtle human 
 motivations lying between need and greed. Certainly few Americans live 
 anything close to strictly on need, and of those that do, many are not 
 doing so voluntarily. Our economy and our culture is just not set up that 
 way. When does want or appreciation or desire cross the line into greed? 
 Is 
 being a hoarder greedy, or is some other driver at work? Staving off 
 thoughts of mortality, perhaps? What about collectors, or connoisseurs? 

 I suspect many of the n + 1s here are a slightly different breed than 
 any of these categories. We've become infatuated with the bicycle as one 
 of 
 the more amazing, and more accessible, machines ever created, and enjoy 
 exploring it in its many permutations and variations. We are very lucky in 
 that respect, as the bicycle has only been in existence for the tiniest 
 sliver of human history. And the ability of the average citizen to buy, 
 store, and feed way more bicycles than he or she needs, and endlessly 
 discuss said bicycles on the internets, is due mainly to the high per 
 capita use of energy that we have been enjoying for the last century or 
 so. 
 But, as all things do eventually, that high energy consumption, and the 
 many benefits that come with it, is winding down. That said, I think you 
 are right that too much of anything, including bicycles, can ultimately 
 impair contentment and gratitude, and I am doing my best to release some 
 of 
 my bicycle fixation --and some of my bicycles. I just have one or two more 
 projects to go here...

 On Friday, April 7, 2017 at 7:26:01 PM UTC-4, LeahFoy wrote:
>
> ...In my 30s I have decided greed is a very unattractive quality that 
> I saw in myself. I figured greed was something worth guarding my heart 
> against, and I decided the antidote is contentment + gratitude.  ...
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Re: [RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

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Austin: I've read good reviews of the Smoothie, particularly for its supple
tubing. How would you compare it in agility, "speed", and comfort to the
RB-1, which is another sort-of classic I've kept my eyes on?

On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 6:07 AM, Austin B  wrote:

> N=3 bikes and I'd need to do some negotiating to have my marriage sustain
> a 4th.
>
> *2016 Sam Hillborne *(big blue 62cm with 2TT) - set up with Compass Bon
> Jon Pass for mostly road and occasional off-road day touring. Currently
> running Noodles but seriously giving thought to converting to an Albastache
> setup. And I'm looking for a decent, cheap rack to hold my panniers. This
> bike will be left to one of my two kids in my will (I'm in my 40's and
> don't expect this to happen for several decades BTW)
> *1989 Bridgestone RB-1 -* my speedy retro go-fast "modernized" with bar
> end shifters. This bike is fun and nimble. Will be left to my other kid who
> doesn't get the Hillborne in my will.
> *Soma Smoothie ES -* modern STI drivetrain road setup with wider tires
> than the RB-1 as my lightweight comfort road bike. This bike hasn't seen
> the road in 2017. I'd transfer the ES components in a second to a 63cm
> Roadeo (or maybe the coming Roadini).
>
> Bob K--I live in Carroll County. Where around Baltimore do you take your
> HIllborne for forest roads & single track?
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[RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[Austin B]

N=3 bikes and I'd need to do some negotiating to have my marriage sustain a 
4th.

*2016 Sam Hillborne *(big blue 62cm with 2TT) - set up with Compass Bon Jon 
Pass for mostly road and occasional off-road day touring. Currently running 
Noodles but seriously giving thought to converting to an Albastache setup. 
And I'm looking for a decent, cheap rack to hold my panniers. This bike 
will be left to one of my two kids in my will (I'm in my 40's and don't 
expect this to happen for several decades BTW)
*1989 Bridgestone RB-1 -* my speedy retro go-fast "modernized" with bar end 
shifters. This bike is fun and nimble. Will be left to my other kid who 
doesn't get the Hillborne in my will.
*Soma Smoothie ES -* modern STI drivetrain road setup with wider tires than 
the RB-1 as my lightweight comfort road bike. This bike hasn't seen the 
road in 2017. I'd transfer the ES components in a second to a 63cm Roadeo 
(or maybe the coming Roadini).

Bob K--I live in Carroll County. Where around Baltimore do you take your 
HIllborne for forest roads & single track?


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Re: [RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[Lee Legrand]

You missed the point and no need to begin response with a defensive
posture.  I am not your father or any authority figure wagging his finger
at you.  The point to my comment is that you can never find contentment on
external factors and bicycle should mostly based on need and no so much
collection.  Having less is not a sign of contentment nor is having many.

On Sat, Apr 8, 2017 at 8:13 PM, 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> I never said someone with  x bicycles is more or less content than someone
> with x-y bicycles. I really doubt those of us who have more than, say, 2 or
> 3 bicycles actually *need* all of them. I do think that at some point,
> rather than bringing pleasure or contentment, a big bicycle collection can
> become a burden--whether financially, physically, or spiritually. What that
> number is for any particular person, I would not pretend to have any idea.
>
> On Saturday, April 8, 2017 at 8:35:38 AM UTC-4, Lee Legrand wrote:
>>
>> When contentment is derived from having things or having less things,
>> then contentment is always regulated on external things being set. Which is
>> always have within it, discontentment since nothing external is set but
>> comes and goes.  It is not so much as having bicycle N+1 bicycle but I
>> think it is more of need and opportunity.  If people bought bicycles based
>> on what they  used them for, instead of being fixated on fads and new gear,
>> it is not that they will have greater contentment but it bicycles are used
>> as needs as part of their life.  If a person can do whatever they needed on
>> one bicycles vs someone needing 3 bicycles to do what they need for their
>> life, why is the person with 3 less content than the one who has one? They
>> are using the bicycle out of necessity.
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 8, 2017 at 8:13 AM, 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I think this is somewhat more intricate, with many subtle human
>>> motivations lying between need and greed. Certainly few Americans live
>>> anything close to strictly on need, and of those that do, many are not
>>> doing so voluntarily. Our economy and our culture is just not set up that
>>> way. When does want or appreciation or desire cross the line into greed? Is
>>> being a hoarder greedy, or is some other driver at work? Staving off
>>> thoughts of mortality, perhaps? What about collectors, or connoisseurs?
>>>
>>> I suspect many of the n + 1s here are a slightly different breed than
>>> any of these categories. We've become infatuated with the bicycle as one of
>>> the more amazing, and more accessible, machines ever created, and enjoy
>>> exploring it in its many permutations and variations. We are very lucky in
>>> that respect, as the bicycle has only been in existence for the tiniest
>>> sliver of human history. And the ability of the average citizen to buy,
>>> store, and feed way more bicycles than he or she needs, and endlessly
>>> discuss said bicycles on the internets, is due mainly to the high per
>>> capita use of energy that we have been enjoying for the last century or so.
>>> But, as all things do eventually, that high energy consumption, and the
>>> many benefits that come with it, is winding down. That said, I think you
>>> are right that too much of anything, including bicycles, can ultimately
>>> impair contentment and gratitude, and I am doing my best to release some of
>>> my bicycle fixation --and some of my bicycles. I just have one or two more
>>> projects to go here...
>>>
>>> On Friday, April 7, 2017 at 7:26:01 PM UTC-4, LeahFoy wrote:

 ...In my 30s I have decided greed is a very unattractive quality that I
 saw in myself. I figured greed was something worth guarding my heart
 against, and I decided the antidote is contentment + gratitude.  ...

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Re: [RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I never said someone with  x bicycles is more or less content than someone 
with x-y bicycles. I really doubt those of us who have more than, say, 2 or 
3 bicycles actually *need* all of them. I do think that at some point, 
rather than bringing pleasure or contentment, a big bicycle collection can 
become a burden--whether financially, physically, or spiritually. What that 
number is for any particular person, I would not pretend to have any idea.

On Saturday, April 8, 2017 at 8:35:38 AM UTC-4, Lee Legrand wrote:
>
> When contentment is derived from having things or having less things, then 
> contentment is always regulated on external things being set. Which is 
> always have within it, discontentment since nothing external is set but 
> comes and goes.  It is not so much as having bicycle N+1 bicycle but I 
> think it is more of need and opportunity.  If people bought bicycles based 
> on what they  used them for, instead of being fixated on fads and new gear, 
> it is not that they will have greater contentment but it bicycles are used 
> as needs as part of their life.  If a person can do whatever they needed on 
> one bicycles vs someone needing 3 bicycles to do what they need for their 
> life, why is the person with 3 less content than the one who has one? They 
> are using the bicycle out of necessity.
>
> On Sat, Apr 8, 2017 at 8:13 AM, 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
>> I think this is somewhat more intricate, with many subtle human 
>> motivations lying between need and greed. Certainly few Americans live 
>> anything close to strictly on need, and of those that do, many are not 
>> doing so voluntarily. Our economy and our culture is just not set up that 
>> way. When does want or appreciation or desire cross the line into greed? Is 
>> being a hoarder greedy, or is some other driver at work? Staving off 
>> thoughts of mortality, perhaps? What about collectors, or connoisseurs? 
>>
>> I suspect many of the n + 1s here are a slightly different breed than any 
>> of these categories. We've become infatuated with the bicycle as one of the 
>> more amazing, and more accessible, machines ever created, and enjoy 
>> exploring it in its many permutations and variations. We are very lucky in 
>> that respect, as the bicycle has only been in existence for the tiniest 
>> sliver of human history. And the ability of the average citizen to buy, 
>> store, and feed way more bicycles than he or she needs, and endlessly 
>> discuss said bicycles on the internets, is due mainly to the high per 
>> capita use of energy that we have been enjoying for the last century or so. 
>> But, as all things do eventually, that high energy consumption, and the 
>> many benefits that come with it, is winding down. That said, I think you 
>> are right that too much of anything, including bicycles, can ultimately 
>> impair contentment and gratitude, and I am doing my best to release some of 
>> my bicycle fixation --and some of my bicycles. I just have one or two more 
>> projects to go here...
>>
>> On Friday, April 7, 2017 at 7:26:01 PM UTC-4, LeahFoy wrote:
>>>
>>> ...In my 30s I have decided greed is a very unattractive quality that I 
>>> saw in myself. I figured greed was something worth guarding my heart 
>>> against, and I decided the antidote is contentment + gratitude.  ...
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[Lee Legrand]

When contentment is derived from having things or having less things, then
contentment is always regulated on external things being set. Which is
always have within it, discontentment since nothing external is set but
comes and goes.  It is not so much as having bicycle N+1 bicycle but I
think it is more of need and opportunity.  If people bought bicycles based
on what they  used them for, instead of being fixated on fads and new gear,
it is not that they will have greater contentment but it bicycles are used
as needs as part of their life.  If a person can do whatever they needed on
one bicycles vs someone needing 3 bicycles to do what they need for their
life, why is the person with 3 less content than the one who has one? They
are using the bicycle out of necessity.

On Sat, Apr 8, 2017 at 8:13 AM, 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> I think this is somewhat more intricate, with many subtle human
> motivations lying between need and greed. Certainly few Americans live
> anything close to strictly on need, and of those that do, many are not
> doing so voluntarily. Our economy and our culture is just not set up that
> way. When does want or appreciation or desire cross the line into greed? Is
> being a hoarder greedy, or is some other driver at work? Staving off
> thoughts of mortality, perhaps? What about collectors, or connoisseurs?
>
> I suspect many of the n + 1s here are a slightly different breed than any
> of these categories. We've become infatuated with the bicycle as one of the
> more amazing, and more accessible, machines ever created, and enjoy
> exploring it in its many permutations and variations. We are very lucky in
> that respect, as the bicycle has only been in existence for the tiniest
> sliver of human history. And the ability of the average citizen to buy,
> store, and feed way more bicycles than he or she needs, and endlessly
> discuss said bicycles on the internets, is due mainly to the high per
> capita use of energy that we have been enjoying for the last century or so.
> But, as all things do eventually, that high energy consumption, and the
> many benefits that come with it, is winding down. That said, I think you
> are right that too much of anything, including bicycles, can ultimately
> impair contentment and gratitude, and I am doing my best to release some of
> my bicycle fixation --and some of my bicycles. I just have one or two more
> projects to go here...
>
> On Friday, April 7, 2017 at 7:26:01 PM UTC-4, LeahFoy wrote:
>>
>> ...In my 30s I have decided greed is a very unattractive quality that I
>> saw in myself. I figured greed was something worth guarding my heart
>> against, and I decided the antidote is contentment + gratitude.  ...
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[Captain Conway Bennett]

Adam Leibow wins for my favorite stable.  

I would love a lighthouse sequoia, Ramanceur, Hunqapillar and I also recommend 
the BMC to the budget conscious.  If I ever needed to liquidate I'd replace 
everything with that monster cross.  It's a killer bike for the price but you 
sort of need to be in the know for it to be on your radar so it's got a little 
bit of a paradox going on.

Fair winds,

Captain Conway Bennett

> On Apr 8, 2017, at 7:13 AM, 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>  wrote:
> 
> I think this is somewhat more intricate, with many subtle human motivations 
> lying between need and greed. Certainly few Americans live anything close to 
> strictly on need, and of those that do, many are not doing so voluntarily. 
> Our economy and our culture is just not set up that way. When does want or 
> appreciation or desire cross the line into greed? Is being a hoarder greedy, 
> or is some other driver at work? Staving off thoughts of mortality, perhaps? 
> What about collectors, or connoisseurs? 
> 
> I suspect many of the n + 1s here are a slightly different breed than any of 
> these categories. We've become infatuated with the bicycle as one of the more 
> amazing, and more accessible, machines ever created, and enjoy exploring it 
> in its many permutations and variations. We are very lucky in that respect, 
> as the bicycle has only been in existence for the tiniest sliver of human 
> history. And the ability of the average citizen to buy, store, and feed way 
> more bicycles than he or she needs, and endlessly discuss said bicycles on 
> the internets, is due mainly to the high per capita use of energy that we 
> have been enjoying for the last century or so. But, as all things do 
> eventually, that high energy consumption, and the many benefits that come 
> with it, is winding down. That said, I think you are right that too much of 
> anything, including bicycles, can ultimately impair contentment and 
> gratitude, and I am doing my best to release some of my bicycle fixation 
> --and some of my bicycles. I just have one or two more projects to go here...
> 
>> On Friday, April 7, 2017 at 7:26:01 PM UTC-4, LeahFoy wrote:
>> ...In my 30s I have decided greed is a very unattractive quality that I saw 
>> in myself. I figured greed was something worth guarding my heart against, 
>> and I decided the antidote is contentment + gratitude.  ...
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Re: [RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I think this is somewhat more intricate, with many subtle human motivations 
lying between need and greed. Certainly few Americans live anything close 
to strictly on need, and of those that do, many are not doing so 
voluntarily. Our economy and our culture is just not set up that way. When 
does want or appreciation or desire cross the line into greed? Is being a 
hoarder greedy, or is some other driver at work? Staving off thoughts of 
mortality, perhaps? What about collectors, or connoisseurs? 

I suspect many of the n + 1s here are a slightly different breed than any 
of these categories. We've become infatuated with the bicycle as one of the 
more amazing, and more accessible, machines ever created, and enjoy 
exploring it in its many permutations and variations. We are very lucky in 
that respect, as the bicycle has only been in existence for the tiniest 
sliver of human history. And the ability of the average citizen to buy, 
store, and feed way more bicycles than he or she needs, and endlessly 
discuss said bicycles on the internets, is due mainly to the high per 
capita use of energy that we have been enjoying for the last century or so. 
But, as all things do eventually, that high energy consumption, and the 
many benefits that come with it, is winding down. That said, I think you 
are right that too much of anything, including bicycles, can ultimately 
impair contentment and gratitude, and I am doing my best to release some of 
my bicycle fixation --and some of my bicycles. I just have one or two more 
projects to go here...

On Friday, April 7, 2017 at 7:26:01 PM UTC-4, LeahFoy wrote:
>
> ...In my 30s I have decided greed is a very unattractive quality that I 
> saw in myself. I figured greed was something worth guarding my heart 
> against, and I decided the antidote is contentment + gratitude.  ...
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[Orc]

Sometimes bicycles just accumulate without any rhyme or reason.

In my case, I started with TBBITW (my Trek 1000), which served me well for 
about two decades by itself, but then was extended into an xtracycle and 
made even better.  ~15,000 miles of long distance riding later I started 
doing organized randonneuring and started to find places where it wasn't 
TBBITW (it didn't climb very enthusiastically, which is a big problem in 
PNW randonneuring) so I bought a second machine for randonneuring and took 
it's place.   #2 started as a 650b machine, but the selection of 650b tires 
at the time sucked and I converted it to 700c.  About this time the bike 
nerds I knew started getting the fat tire disease and I discovered TBTITW 
(the best tires in the world, aka the 700x28c Resist Nomad), so I spent a 
couple hundred dollars on a used frame + components + Nomad 45s to build 
#3; a 700c fat-for-me bike (#3 didn't last very long;  I used it with tires 
of various sizes for a while, but it always felt like climbing up into the 
cab of a truck to ride it)   

Around this same time, I built bicycles for my sweetie (Murray Baja; it's 
amazing how much nicer a gaspipe frame rides when you strip all the extra 
heavy components off and make it into a 650b machine.  She spent $5 for it, 
and I put maybe $350 -- the SON28 was most of this -- into making it 
better) and children (Kogswell P/R for the eldest, and a tiny Shiromoto tri 
frame for the youngest) and poking around at these two 650b machines 
rekindled my itch for 650b, so when I had a chance to get a free GT Talera 
frame I used it and ended up with a 650b disc Sweet Fixie(tm) as my #4.

I passed a free pile on the way home from the store one afternoon and 
picked up #5 -- a SE draft gaspipe frame -- which got a pair of practice 
wheels stuffed under it to make a 3-speed project bike.

A third-hand Ahearne frame passed through my hands around then, and #3 was 
scrapped to provide parts to test it out (pretty frame, planed like it was 
going out of style, but slow and too tall for me) before I flipped the 
frame to someone in Alaska.

Sometime between the Sweet Fixie(tm) and the the Ahearne's transit of my 
clutter  I'd pulled the Trek 1000 frame out of my xtracycle when the DS 
chainstay had started to debond because of the lever action of countless 
heavily loaded trips back home from shopping, but one day (after I'd built 
a set of disc-specific wheels for the GT) I looked at the Trek 1000 frame, 
the old 650b rims from the GT's original wheelset, and decided that instead 
of these pieces lying around separately they'd do well together (and the 
lack of leverage + chain would keep the DS chainstay from further 
debonding) and with a pair of T2BTITW (the second best tires in the world; 
the 650x32b Hutchinson Confrerie des 650) it would give me a nice 
randonneuring bike again.

And then I found a wrecked (t-boned by a truck and with the rear triangle 
bent all to pieces) Trek 820 frame in size tiny that I grabbed for brazing 
practice and, after impulsively building it up with spare parts and riding 
it on a 200k loop realized that all of my previous bicycles suffered from 
being too tall and short for me.  I improved it by throwing away the 
threaded fork, then cutting off the rear triangle and brazing on a new one, 
then rode it almost exclusively for a year until I was right hooked 
(killing the fork, bending but not breaking the rear triangle, and breaking 
my left shoulder) and had to sideline it for the handmade from that I'd 
made as a copy of it but without mountain HT/ST geometry or super-heavy 
tubing.

So 6 machines (the handmade frame had the ST fail at the BB and I'm 
building a replacement frame while I can still get True Temper tubing), all 
part of an interative process to work out the most comfortable fit, and all 
(except the xtracycle) basically the same sort of machine give or take 6-8 
gears or a coaster hub.

   #1 Trek 1000, xtracycled
   #2 Soma Speedster, 650b->700c
   #3 Schwinn Crisscross, then Ahearne, then SE draft
   #4 GT Talera, 650b disc sweet fixie
   #5 Trek 1000, dextracycled & 650b
   #6 Mountainhack (Trek 820+Orc) 650b

So many things needed to come together to get from #1 to #6 that I don't 
know what I could have done to streamline the process.   And it's not as if 
1-5 are horrible machine, but they basically have no resale value for 
anything other than parts, and those parts are easier to find when they're 
attached to a functional bicycle.

-david parsons

On Friday, April 7, 2017 at 4:26:01 PM UTC-7, LeahFoy wrote:
>
> I'm in the minority here in that I'm a bike minimalist. I've got TBBITW 
> (The Best Bike in the World), a 2012 55cm Betty Foy. My husband has a 52 
> Clem H, in case I need a back-up bike. I've admired the other mixtes 
> Rivendell has to offer - oh, how I love them! - but  I don't NEED them. I 
> use my bike to get around the neighborhood and haul the boys' things to 
> school, the park, etc. 

[RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[adam leibow]

Have as many as u want - I have 5 but I'm about to get another rivendell 
(cheviot). 

1. Custom fillet brazed Lighthouse (Tim Neenan) Road - Shimano Ultegra 
6800, thomson/thomson, H plus son wheels
2. Surly Krampus - Full chris King sour apple (headset, BB, hubs), velocity 
duallys, hunter smooth move hi rise bars, moots seatpost, mix of XT & SLX
3. Rivendell Hunqapillar - standard riv build 
4. Black Mountain Cycles Monster Cross - SRAM CX1, paul stem, A23/ultegra 
wheels, etc. 
5. Crust Romanceur - built up like a rivendell: Honjo fenders, 1x10 
(11-42rear 38t front), Riv silver DT shifter, tallux+noodles

of course there is some overlap but variety is the spice of life or 
whatever. pics on my instagram: www.instagram.com/adom_L

On Monday, April 3, 2017 at 8:24:18 AM UTC-7, Bob K. wrote:
>
> Hey Folks:
>
> I know threads somewhat similar to this pop up every now and again, but 
> Ryan's question to Eric in the Rivendell Road SOLD thread made me wonder 
> how folks settle on their stable size. I fall squarely in the minimalist 
> camp, but I'm guessing others here probably don't. So:
>
> 1. How do you settle on what N equals for you? (N+1, I know, I know...)
> 2. What bikes do you currently own/have in regular rotation and why do you 
> own them? 
>
> My stable is currently at one because of a recent sale, but it will (soon) 
> bump back up to two. I settled on two as the acceptable number of bikes for 
> a number of reasons, but mostly because I can't imagine riding enough to 
> justify having any more of them. We also don't have the space for me to 
> store any additional bikes aside from in a somewhat humid basement, and 
> neither my wife nor myself would appreciate more bikes in the corner of the 
> living room as we're not big fans of clutter, especially clutter that 
> doesn't get used very often.
>
> Current Stable:
>
> 1. 2009 Sam Hillborne (canti): Used mostly for road riding and touring and 
> some occasional single track and forest roads if the ride allows/inspires 
> it.
>
> 2. 2017 Surly Troll: I settled on the new Troll after a lengthy flirtation 
> with the idea of buying a Crust Evasion and other bikes as well. I decided 
> the Troll is better for my needs for a number of reasons: the geometry 
> readily accepts a Jones H-Bar, 2x is easy vs. not doable at all with the 
> Evasion, and my desired 26x3.0 setup doesn't require the need for expensive 
> cranksets. It's also $300 cheaper and I like the maroon better than the 
> also admittedly pretty Evasion color. It will take the place of my 
> erstwhile Krampus as my mountain bike, off-road tourer, long distance 
> tourer (if/when I get to do that!), kid trailer, and stuff hauler. 
>
> How about you?
>
> Bob K. in Baltimore
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[Patrick Moore]

Patrick Moore, who has actually been thinking very recently about gratitude
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Patrick Moore, who is 2 X 30 and then some, and quite free to violate the
> anti-Silly act of 1908, in ABQ, NM.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[Patrick Moore]

Leah, greed don't enter in. Federal statute require a *minimum* of 3
bicycles, and defines these as road, errand, and dirt. Moreover, the
President (Trump!) will give you a gold star if you also own a British
Racing Tricycle.

Patrick Moore, who is 2 X 30 and then some, and quite free to violate the
anti-Silly act of 1908, in ABQ, NM.

On Fri, Apr 7, 2017 at 5:26 PM, LeahFoy  wrote:

> I'm in the minority here in that I'm a bike minimalist. I've got TBBITW
> (The Best Bike in the World), a 2012 55cm Betty Foy. My husband has a 52
> Clem H, in case I need a back-up bike. I've admired the other mixtes
> Rivendell has to offer - oh, how I love them! - but  I don't NEED them. I
> use my bike to get around the neighborhood and haul the boys' things to
> school, the park, etc. and this bike just works. In my 30s I have decided
> greed is a very unattractive quality that I saw in myself. I figured greed
> was something worth guarding my heart against, and I decided the antidote
> is contentment + gratitude.  So, I'm savoring my rides on my pretty blue
> bike with the red lug hearts, though I reserve the right to change it up
> every now and again with a new bag. I think it's a pretty good compromise!
>
> I almost didn't write this because I worried some of the N+1 crowd may
> take offense (please don't! I'm talking only about me, not you!) but then I
> saw The Wheelhouse posted something excellent on their new blog and I
> thought it captured my sentiments pretty well. And pictured is a Rivendell
> Sam Hillborne - swoon!
>
> So, if anyone is on the fence wondering if they need another, here's proof
> you can be happy as a gopher in new dirt with just one bike. Grin.
>
> https://www.thewheelhouse.bike/blogs/the-wheelhouse-blog
>
> Leah, who means well and hopes you will see it that way too, Las Vegas, NV
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[LeahFoy]

I'm in the minority here in that I'm a bike minimalist. I've got TBBITW (The 
Best Bike in the World), a 2012 55cm Betty Foy. My husband has a 52 Clem H, in 
case I need a back-up bike. I've admired the other mixtes Rivendell has to 
offer - oh, how I love them! - but  I don't NEED them. I use my bike to get 
around the neighborhood and haul the boys' things to school, the park, etc. and 
this bike just works. In my 30s I have decided greed is a very unattractive 
quality that I saw in myself. I figured greed was something worth guarding my 
heart against, and I decided the antidote is contentment + gratitude.  So, I'm 
savoring my rides on my pretty blue bike with the red lug hearts, though I 
reserve the right to change it up every now and again with a new bag. I think 
it's a pretty good compromise! 

I almost didn't write this because I worried some of the N+1 crowd may take 
offense (please don't! I'm talking only about me, not you!) but then I saw The 
Wheelhouse posted something excellent on their new blog and I thought it 
captured my sentiments pretty well. And pictured is a Rivendell Sam Hillborne - 
swoon! 

So, if anyone is on the fence wondering if they need another, here's proof you 
can be happy as a gopher in new dirt with just one bike. Grin.

https://www.thewheelhouse.bike/blogs/the-wheelhouse-blog

Leah, who means well and hopes you will see it that way too, Las Vegas, NV

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Re: [RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[Ryan Fleming]

In theory, in an ideal , Platonic world  Patrick ,  I  agree that if  most 
of your riding is commuting, ride the best.  And if I had perfect security, 
 AKA  bike inside at work with me I'd totally ride my Rivendells to work 

On Friday, April 7, 2017 at 4:36:12 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> I commuted on beaters for years; some of them were quite nice riding if 
> not nice looking, or expensive; *item, *the 1966 or so Bottechia World 
> Champion that I fixified; the early model, sports tourer Raleigh Technium, 
> also fixified -- heavy and flexy, but man, Cadillac!; but then I considered 
> by 2003 Riv custom hanging on the wall gathering dust, and had a local 
> builder install long horizontals for a fixed drivetrain. I commuted 30+ 
> miles rt for a number of years, threw it on bus bike racks; the Joe Bell 
> paint held up well. I figured, if 80% of your riding is commuting, why not 
> commute on the best? I have had no regrets, and the '03 has undergone a 
> second alteration for dyno wire guides and custom racks. I just rode it 
> 'cross town, 26 miles rt including 3 miles of dirt, and it is *almost* as 
> fun to ride as the almost-identical (but no fenders, lights, racks, bags, 
> what have you) '99 custom.
>
> On Fri, Apr 7, 2017 at 10:34 AM, Belopsky  > wrote:
>
>> For me, a commuter is a cheap bike I do not worry about locking up. Crime 
>> is low here, that is not the issue, but I feel bad beating up nice 
>> frames..but paint is paint and can always be repainted later? My things do 
>> not stay pretty long, I've been out on my BJ Audax End End just a few times 
>> (~50 some miles outdoors - a lot more on the trainer this winter..) and you 
>> would be surprised at the amount of road rash - the stove baked enamel is 
>> pretty, but not durable :)
>>
>> My current commuter is a cheapo frame so I do not feel bad at all. It 
>> would be nice if the commuter could also be a cruiser, but unfortunately 
>> this bike is a commuter/grocery getter (pending some sort of a rack setup, 
>> probably a Wald basket eh?)
>>
>> -- 
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[Patrick Moore]

I commuted on beaters for years; some of them were quite nice riding if not
nice looking, or expensive; *item, *the 1966 or so Bottechia World Champion
that I fixified; the early model, sports tourer Raleigh Technium, also
fixified -- heavy and flexy, but man, Cadillac!; but then I considered by
2003 Riv custom hanging on the wall gathering dust, and had a local builder
install long horizontals for a fixed drivetrain. I commuted 30+ miles rt
for a number of years, threw it on bus bike racks; the Joe Bell paint held
up well. I figured, if 80% of your riding is commuting, why not commute on
the best? I have had no regrets, and the '03 has undergone a second
alteration for dyno wire guides and custom racks. I just rode it 'cross
town, 26 miles rt including 3 miles of dirt, and it is *almost* as fun to
ride as the almost-identical (but no fenders, lights, racks, bags, what
have you) '99 custom.

On Fri, Apr 7, 2017 at 10:34 AM, Belopsky  wrote:

> For me, a commuter is a cheap bike I do not worry about locking up. Crime
> is low here, that is not the issue, but I feel bad beating up nice
> frames..but paint is paint and can always be repainted later? My things do
> not stay pretty long, I've been out on my BJ Audax End End just a few times
> (~50 some miles outdoors - a lot more on the trainer this winter..) and you
> would be surprised at the amount of road rash - the stove baked enamel is
> pretty, but not durable :)
>
> My current commuter is a cheapo frame so I do not feel bad at all. It
> would be nice if the commuter could also be a cruiser, but unfortunately
> this bike is a commuter/grocery getter (pending some sort of a rack setup,
> probably a Wald basket eh?)
>
> --
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[Ryan Fleming]

Rob that is a nice Peugeot. I didn't ride mine for years mainly because the 
headset threads were munged ...long story...but my partner and I found a 
Japanese fork - tange and  he cobbled together a headset out of various 
Tange headsets we had.  Basically my PX-10 has Nitto stem and moustache 
bars , a Shimano XTR crank  using a VO threadless bottom bracket , some 
nice 36 spoke wheels on old Campy record hubs and fat Pasela tires and it's 
a single speed. You live in Seattle , so I expect 1 gear may be somewhat 
limiting. 

My partner did an awesome of converting this bike and now I'm glad I didn't 
sell it. Still a really nice ride. I haven't ever seen a PX-10 with plain 
lugs BTW but I do remember reading that not all of them had  the filigreed 
Nervex lugs. I guess though that if you're not using it , probably time to 
get rid of it.

Sometimes many bikes does mean too many choices though

The rest of your stable is very nice as others have noted too. Love the 
colours on that Riv; the silver and orange is really striking

On Friday, April 7, 2017 at 1:27:24 PM UTC-5, rob markwardt wrote:
>
> Thanks.  I like the Bleriot because it does everything, it's fendered, and 
> it's the one bike that I always try to keep in ready-to-go at all times 
> mode.  I ride it around the city, on trails, and my favorite is to take out 
> on the many gravel trails East of Seattle heading into the mountains.  It's 
> not really light but it is comfortable and reliable and can haul quite a 
> bit on back.  The Hetchins is kind of the opposite being fairly 
> lightweight, nimble, and fast (relative).  The Trek is kind of in 
> between...perfect for long days on the road.  I kind of go in streaks on 
> what I ride mainly based on the weather.  Late October to March are pretty 
> gloomy so the Bleriot is on regular duty.   In the summer I rotate through 
> my fenderless bikes.  If they don't get used after a couple years they 
> go bye=bye (anybody need a PX-10?).
>
> On Friday, April 7, 2017 at 7:29:19 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> Wonderful collection! What makes you choose the Bleriot, Trek, and 
>> Hetchins as your principal rides? Do you cycle (!) through your preferences?
>>
>> I share many of your prejudices, though not all -- I like disc brakes -- 
>> and I like what I see in the photos. All properly set up with drop bar a 
>> wee bit below saddle, and with ends of hooks parallel to terra firma. Check.
>>
>> Me, if I had more money and less sense, I'd add a classic road racing 
>> bike from the '70s to my own collection, though I'd build it up with that 
>> much talked about but never used AM. May still do that. One reason I've not 
>> accumulated more road bikes -- say, derailleur analogues of my 2 fixed Riv 
>> Roads, is that I've been spoiled by the ride and feel of the Rivs and fear 
>> that no others will live up to the standard; and I can't afford more Riv 
>> customs. But if I could, I'd have Riv build me 700C analogues of my '99 
>> gofast, one stripped for the AM hub, one for derailleur gearing and fenders 
>> and racks and lighting. (*And* I'd buy a BR Trike with a Trykit 2 wd 
>> derailleur system; or perhaps a differential fixed drive -- 67". Wonder if 
>> Grant would make me one. Just kidding, Grant!)
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 6, 2017 at 5:20 PM, rob markwardt  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I haven't purchased a bike in a couple years now but for me its always 
>>> been about how the bike looks.  If it doesn't meet my narrow definition of 
>>> cool then no matter how awesome the bike I'm not interested.  For me this 
>>> means steel, classic road bike geometry, old school components, and 
>>> graphics/colors/names that mesh with my brain.  Vintage 60s/70's road 
>>> bikes?...YES!  Classic Riv roads/Rambo/Bleriot/Saluki/Legolas...YES!  I 
>>> kind of dig the H.Homers and the Roadeos, etc. but I just can't get past 
>>> the names so they aren't in my garage.  I also can't get past disc brakes, 
>>> brifters, upright bars, and funky designs...I kind of like looking at them 
>>> but I just don't want them.  I went bonkers for about ten years but I'm 
>>> pretty happy now.  Here's what I have in order from what gets the most 
>>> mileage.
>>>
>>> 1. Bleriot - awesome. I ride this bike all the time and if forced to 
>>> pick one this is it.
>>> 2. 77 Trek - Many miles the past couple years
>>> 3. 74 Hetchins - sunny day road bike.  A visual of what I like?...this 
>>> is it.
>>> 4. Rock Combo - my mountain\snow\deluge bike
>>> 5. 01 Riv custom - sunny day, long distance rider (haven't ridden this 
>>> in months!)
>>> 6. 71 Paramount - I love this bike but haven't ridden it for awhile.
>>> 7. 79 Austro Daimler - recently converted to 650b...should be moving up 
>>> the list soon.
>>> 8. 72 PX-10  - Hibernating in the crawl space. 
>>>
>>> A few pics here
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, April 3, 2017 at 8:24:18 AM UTC-7, Bob K. wrote:
>>>
 Hey Folks:

 I know threads somewhat 

[RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[Ian A]

Nice one Mark!

On Thursday, April 6, 2017 at 10:35:23 PM UTC-6, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>
> Tasty bikes. Too bad about the low bb on the Combo.
>
> On Thursday, April 6, 2017 at 7:22:31 PM UTC-4, rob markwardt wrote:
>>
>> the forgotten link
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/77502424@N00/albums/72157606340462594
>>
>> On Thursday, April 6, 2017 at 4:20:30 PM UTC-7, rob markwardt wrote:
>>
>>> I haven't purchased a bike in a couple years now but for me its always 
>>> been about how the bike looks.  If it doesn't meet my narrow definition of 
>>> cool then no matter how awesome the bike I'm not interested.  For me this 
>>> means steel, classic road bike geometry, old school components, and 
>>> graphics/colors/names that mesh with my brain.  Vintage 60s/70's road 
>>> bikes?...YES!  Classic Riv roads/Rambo/Bleriot/Saluki/Legolas...YES!  I 
>>> kind of dig the H.Homers and the Roadeos, etc. but I just can't get past 
>>> the names so they aren't in my garage.  I also can't get past disc brakes, 
>>> brifters, upright bars, and funky designs...I kind of like looking at them 
>>> but I just don't want them.  I went bonkers for about ten years but I'm 
>>> pretty happy now.  Here's what I have in order from what gets the most 
>>> mileage.
>>>
>>> 1. Bleriot - awesome. I ride this bike all the time and if forced to 
>>> pick one this is it.
>>> 2. 77 Trek - Many miles the past couple years
>>> 3. 74 Hetchins - sunny day road bike.  A visual of what I like?...this 
>>> is it.
>>> 4. Rock Combo - my mountain\snow\deluge bike
>>> 5. 01 Riv custom - sunny day, long distance rider (haven't ridden this 
>>> in months!)
>>> 6. 71 Paramount - I love this bike but haven't ridden it for awhile.
>>> 7. 79 Austro Daimler - recently converted to 650b...should be moving up 
>>> the list soon.
>>> 8. 72 PX-10  - Hibernating in the crawl space. 
>>>
>>> A few pics here
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, April 3, 2017 at 8:24:18 AM UTC-7, Bob K. wrote:
>>>
 Hey Folks:

 I know threads somewhat similar to this pop up every now and again, but 
 Ryan's question to Eric in the Rivendell Road SOLD thread made me wonder 
 how folks settle on their stable size. I fall squarely in the minimalist 
 camp, but I'm guessing others here probably don't. So:

 1. How do you settle on what N equals for you? (N+1, I know, I know...)
 2. What bikes do you currently own/have in regular rotation and why do 
 you own them? 

 My stable is currently at one because of a recent sale, but it will 
 (soon) bump back up to two. I settled on two as the acceptable number of 
 bikes for a number of reasons, but mostly because I can't imagine riding 
 enough to justify having any more of them. We also don't have the space 
 for 
 me to store any additional bikes aside from in a somewhat humid basement, 
 and neither my wife nor myself would appreciate more bikes in the corner 
 of 
 the living room as we're not big fans of clutter, especially clutter that 
 doesn't get used very often.

 Current Stable:

 1. 2009 Sam Hillborne (canti): Used mostly for road riding and touring 
 and some occasional single track and forest roads if the ride 
 allows/inspires it.

 2. 2017 Surly Troll: I settled on the new Troll after a lengthy 
 flirtation with the idea of buying a Crust Evasion and other bikes as 
 well. 
 I decided the Troll is better for my needs for a number of reasons: the 
 geometry readily accepts a Jones H-Bar, 2x is easy vs. not doable at all 
 with the Evasion, and my desired 26x3.0 setup doesn't require the need for 
 expensive cranksets. It's also $300 cheaper and I like the maroon better 
 than the also admittedly pretty Evasion color. It will take the place of 
 my 
 erstwhile Krampus as my mountain bike, off-road tourer, long distance 
 tourer (if/when I get to do that!), kid trailer, and stuff hauler. 

 How about you?

 Bob K. in Baltimore



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[RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[rob markwardt]

thank you. 

On Friday, April 7, 2017 at 7:30:43 AM UTC-7, stoker wrote:
>
> Rob - that's a lovely collection of bicycles.

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Re: [RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[rob markwardt]

Thanks.  I like the Bleriot because it does everything, it's fendered, and 
it's the one bike that I always try to keep in ready-to-go at all times 
mode.  I ride it around the city, on trails, and my favorite is to take out 
on the many gravel trails East of Seattle heading into the mountains.  It's 
not really light but it is comfortable and reliable and can haul quite a 
bit on back.  The Hetchins is kind of the opposite being fairly 
lightweight, nimble, and fast (relative).  The Trek is kind of in 
between...perfect for long days on the road.  I kind of go in streaks on 
what I ride mainly based on the weather.  Late October to March are pretty 
gloomy so the Bleriot is on regular duty.   In the summer I rotate through 
my fenderless bikes.  If they don't get used after a couple years they 
go bye=bye (anybody need a PX-10?).

On Friday, April 7, 2017 at 7:29:19 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Wonderful collection! What makes you choose the Bleriot, Trek, and 
> Hetchins as your principal rides? Do you cycle (!) through your preferences?
>
> I share many of your prejudices, though not all -- I like disc brakes -- 
> and I like what I see in the photos. All properly set up with drop bar a 
> wee bit below saddle, and with ends of hooks parallel to terra firma. Check.
>
> Me, if I had more money and less sense, I'd add a classic road racing bike 
> from the '70s to my own collection, though I'd build it up with that much 
> talked about but never used AM. May still do that. One reason I've not 
> accumulated more road bikes -- say, derailleur analogues of my 2 fixed Riv 
> Roads, is that I've been spoiled by the ride and feel of the Rivs and fear 
> that no others will live up to the standard; and I can't afford more Riv 
> customs. But if I could, I'd have Riv build me 700C analogues of my '99 
> gofast, one stripped for the AM hub, one for derailleur gearing and fenders 
> and racks and lighting. (*And* I'd buy a BR Trike with a Trykit 2 wd 
> derailleur system; or perhaps a differential fixed drive -- 67". Wonder if 
> Grant would make me one. Just kidding, Grant!)
>
> On Thu, Apr 6, 2017 at 5:20 PM, rob markwardt  > wrote:
>
>> I haven't purchased a bike in a couple years now but for me its always 
>> been about how the bike looks.  If it doesn't meet my narrow definition of 
>> cool then no matter how awesome the bike I'm not interested.  For me this 
>> means steel, classic road bike geometry, old school components, and 
>> graphics/colors/names that mesh with my brain.  Vintage 60s/70's road 
>> bikes?...YES!  Classic Riv roads/Rambo/Bleriot/Saluki/Legolas...YES!  I 
>> kind of dig the H.Homers and the Roadeos, etc. but I just can't get past 
>> the names so they aren't in my garage.  I also can't get past disc brakes, 
>> brifters, upright bars, and funky designs...I kind of like looking at them 
>> but I just don't want them.  I went bonkers for about ten years but I'm 
>> pretty happy now.  Here's what I have in order from what gets the most 
>> mileage.
>>
>> 1. Bleriot - awesome. I ride this bike all the time and if forced to pick 
>> one this is it.
>> 2. 77 Trek - Many miles the past couple years
>> 3. 74 Hetchins - sunny day road bike.  A visual of what I like?...this is 
>> it.
>> 4. Rock Combo - my mountain\snow\deluge bike
>> 5. 01 Riv custom - sunny day, long distance rider (haven't ridden this in 
>> months!)
>> 6. 71 Paramount - I love this bike but haven't ridden it for awhile.
>> 7. 79 Austro Daimler - recently converted to 650b...should be moving up 
>> the list soon.
>> 8. 72 PX-10  - Hibernating in the crawl space. 
>>
>> A few pics here
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, April 3, 2017 at 8:24:18 AM UTC-7, Bob K. wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Folks:
>>>
>>> I know threads somewhat similar to this pop up every now and again, but 
>>> Ryan's question to Eric in the Rivendell Road SOLD thread made me wonder 
>>> how folks settle on their stable size. I fall squarely in the minimalist 
>>> camp, but I'm guessing others here probably don't. So:
>>>
>>> 1. How do you settle on what N equals for you? (N+1, I know, I know...)
>>> 2. What bikes do you currently own/have in regular rotation and why do 
>>> you own them? 
>>>
>>> My stable is currently at one because of a recent sale, but it will 
>>> (soon) bump back up to two. I settled on two as the acceptable number of 
>>> bikes for a number of reasons, but mostly because I can't imagine riding 
>>> enough to justify having any more of them. We also don't have the space for 
>>> me to store any additional bikes aside from in a somewhat humid basement, 
>>> and neither my wife nor myself would appreciate more bikes in the corner of 
>>> the living room as we're not big fans of clutter, especially clutter that 
>>> doesn't get used very often.
>>>
>>> Current Stable:
>>>
>>> 1. 2009 Sam Hillborne (canti): Used mostly for road riding and touring 
>>> and some occasional single track and forest roads if the ride 
>>> 

[RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[Belopsky]

For me, a commuter is a cheap bike I do not worry about locking up. Crime 
is low here, that is not the issue, but I feel bad beating up nice 
frames..but paint is paint and can always be repainted later? My things do 
not stay pretty long, I've been out on my BJ Audax End End just a few times 
(~50 some miles outdoors - a lot more on the trainer this winter..) and you 
would be surprised at the amount of road rash - the stove baked enamel is 
pretty, but not durable :)

My current commuter is a cheapo frame so I do not feel bad at all. It would 
be nice if the commuter could also be a cruiser, but unfortunately this 
bike is a commuter/grocery getter (pending some sort of a rack setup, 
probably a Wald basket eh?)

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[RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[Jeremy Till]

I told the wife about this thread and she laughed, since this has been a 
constant theme throughout our relationship.  I've owned as many as 5 or 6 
bikes at once but because of various constraints I think my ideal is 
somewhat less than that.  Up until recently the constraints were mainly 
space and financial, being in my twenties and constantly switching 
work/living situations, and generally living in small apartments in urban 
areas.  We bought a house with a garage (specifically for bikes) a couple 
of years ago, so now the constraints are mainly financial and the mental 
energy/time to build/optimize/maintain a number of bikes.  Right now I'm at 
3.5, with a good variety of tire size/fit/capability; they are:

1. 2013 64cm Surly Long Haul Trucker, my main commuter and general purpose 
ride.  My first "serious" bike was a 700c touring bike and even though I 
end up touring only once every 4 years or so, I think that I'll probably 
always end up owning one. They just seem to fit my needs for a bike: 
durable and reliable, good for long rides but comfortable enough to ride in 
street clothes, fatter tires and fenders, able to carry loads.  
2. ~1982 62cm Medici Pro Strada, originally bought specifically for Eroica 
CA but have kept it as my main road bike.  Don't think i need more than 2x5 
or 6 friction-shifted gears on a road bike.  Still sees gravel to keep my 
skills sharp for Eroica.  
3. 2014 59cm Rivendell Clem Smith Jr.  I'm 100% on board with the upright 
bars and long chainstays direction Rivendell has been going the past few 
years, even since riding the original "Proto-Appalloosa/Mystery Bike" that 
Riv did back in 2011-2012, and this bike is the embodiment of that. 
 Originally bought as a rough stuff/mtb, but the bike racks on the train 
that I commute on won't fit 2"+ tires without scratching the rims, and it's 
really a shame not to be able to commute on a bike like this.  So a couple 
of weeks ago I bought some 700x40 WTB Nanos for it and now it's my 
secondary commuter/town/everything bike, with the most off road capability 
of any of my bikes.

I actually ended up commuting on all three of these bikes at least once 
this week and really enjoyed the contrasts.  I've wondered if I could be 
one bike guy but I think I enjoy those contrasts too much.  

The .5 is an Xtracycle Edgerunner cargo bike with NuVinci CVT hub, my wife 
lets me count this as .5 because she can ride it too.  Great for big 
shopping runs and other load-hauling needs.  

On Monday, April 3, 2017 at 8:24:18 AM UTC-7, Bob K. wrote:
>
> Hey Folks:
>
> I know threads somewhat similar to this pop up every now and again, but 
> Ryan's question to Eric in the Rivendell Road SOLD thread made me wonder 
> how folks settle on their stable size. I fall squarely in the minimalist 
> camp, but I'm guessing others here probably don't. So:
>
> 1. How do you settle on what N equals for you? (N+1, I know, I know...)
> 2. What bikes do you currently own/have in regular rotation and why do you 
> own them? 
>
> My stable is currently at one because of a recent sale, but it will (soon) 
> bump back up to two. I settled on two as the acceptable number of bikes for 
> a number of reasons, but mostly because I can't imagine riding enough to 
> justify having any more of them. We also don't have the space for me to 
> store any additional bikes aside from in a somewhat humid basement, and 
> neither my wife nor myself would appreciate more bikes in the corner of the 
> living room as we're not big fans of clutter, especially clutter that 
> doesn't get used very often.
>
> Current Stable:
>
> 1. 2009 Sam Hillborne (canti): Used mostly for road riding and touring and 
> some occasional single track and forest roads if the ride allows/inspires 
> it.
>
> 2. 2017 Surly Troll: I settled on the new Troll after a lengthy flirtation 
> with the idea of buying a Crust Evasion and other bikes as well. I decided 
> the Troll is better for my needs for a number of reasons: the geometry 
> readily accepts a Jones H-Bar, 2x is easy vs. not doable at all with the 
> Evasion, and my desired 26x3.0 setup doesn't require the need for expensive 
> cranksets. It's also $300 cheaper and I like the maroon better than the 
> also admittedly pretty Evasion color. It will take the place of my 
> erstwhile Krampus as my mountain bike, off-road tourer, long distance 
> tourer (if/when I get to do that!), kid trailer, and stuff hauler. 
>
> How about you?
>
> Bob K. in Baltimore
>
>

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[RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[stoker]

Rob - that's a lovely collection of bicycles.

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Re: [RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[Patrick Moore]

Wonderful collection! What makes you choose the Bleriot, Trek, and Hetchins
as your principal rides? Do you cycle (!) through your preferences?

I share many of your prejudices, though not all -- I like disc brakes --
and I like what I see in the photos. All properly set up with drop bar a
wee bit below saddle, and with ends of hooks parallel to terra firma. Check.

Me, if I had more money and less sense, I'd add a classic road racing bike
from the '70s to my own collection, though I'd build it up with that much
talked about but never used AM. May still do that. One reason I've not
accumulated more road bikes -- say, derailleur analogues of my 2 fixed Riv
Roads, is that I've been spoiled by the ride and feel of the Rivs and fear
that no others will live up to the standard; and I can't afford more Riv
customs. But if I could, I'd have Riv build me 700C analogues of my '99
gofast, one stripped for the AM hub, one for derailleur gearing and fenders
and racks and lighting. (*And* I'd buy a BR Trike with a Trykit 2 wd
derailleur system; or perhaps a differential fixed drive -- 67". Wonder if
Grant would make me one. Just kidding, Grant!)

On Thu, Apr 6, 2017 at 5:20 PM, rob markwardt  wrote:

> I haven't purchased a bike in a couple years now but for me its always
> been about how the bike looks.  If it doesn't meet my narrow definition of
> cool then no matter how awesome the bike I'm not interested.  For me this
> means steel, classic road bike geometry, old school components, and
> graphics/colors/names that mesh with my brain.  Vintage 60s/70's road
> bikes?...YES!  Classic Riv roads/Rambo/Bleriot/Saluki/Legolas...YES!  I
> kind of dig the H.Homers and the Roadeos, etc. but I just can't get past
> the names so they aren't in my garage.  I also can't get past disc brakes,
> brifters, upright bars, and funky designs...I kind of like looking at them
> but I just don't want them.  I went bonkers for about ten years but I'm
> pretty happy now.  Here's what I have in order from what gets the most
> mileage.
>
> 1. Bleriot - awesome. I ride this bike all the time and if forced to pick
> one this is it.
> 2. 77 Trek - Many miles the past couple years
> 3. 74 Hetchins - sunny day road bike.  A visual of what I like?...this is
> it.
> 4. Rock Combo - my mountain\snow\deluge bike
> 5. 01 Riv custom - sunny day, long distance rider (haven't ridden this in
> months!)
> 6. 71 Paramount - I love this bike but haven't ridden it for awhile.
> 7. 79 Austro Daimler - recently converted to 650b...should be moving up
> the list soon.
> 8. 72 PX-10  - Hibernating in the crawl space.
>
> A few pics here
>
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, April 3, 2017 at 8:24:18 AM UTC-7, Bob K. wrote:
>
>> Hey Folks:
>>
>> I know threads somewhat similar to this pop up every now and again, but
>> Ryan's question to Eric in the Rivendell Road SOLD thread made me wonder
>> how folks settle on their stable size. I fall squarely in the minimalist
>> camp, but I'm guessing others here probably don't. So:
>>
>> 1. How do you settle on what N equals for you? (N+1, I know, I know...)
>> 2. What bikes do you currently own/have in regular rotation and why do
>> you own them?
>>
>> My stable is currently at one because of a recent sale, but it will
>> (soon) bump back up to two. I settled on two as the acceptable number of
>> bikes for a number of reasons, but mostly because I can't imagine riding
>> enough to justify having any more of them. We also don't have the space for
>> me to store any additional bikes aside from in a somewhat humid basement,
>> and neither my wife nor myself would appreciate more bikes in the corner of
>> the living room as we're not big fans of clutter, especially clutter that
>> doesn't get used very often.
>>
>> Current Stable:
>>
>> 1. 2009 Sam Hillborne (canti): Used mostly for road riding and touring
>> and some occasional single track and forest roads if the ride
>> allows/inspires it.
>>
>> 2. 2017 Surly Troll: I settled on the new Troll after a lengthy
>> flirtation with the idea of buying a Crust Evasion and other bikes as well.
>> I decided the Troll is better for my needs for a number of reasons: the
>> geometry readily accepts a Jones H-Bar, 2x is easy vs. not doable at all
>> with the Evasion, and my desired 26x3.0 setup doesn't require the need for
>> expensive cranksets. It's also $300 cheaper and I like the maroon better
>> than the also admittedly pretty Evasion color. It will take the place of my
>> erstwhile Krampus as my mountain bike, off-road tourer, long distance
>> tourer (if/when I get to do that!), kid trailer, and stuff hauler.
>>
>> How about you?
>>
>> Bob K. in Baltimore
>>
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[RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Tasty bikes. Too bad about the low bb on the Combo.

On Thursday, April 6, 2017 at 7:22:31 PM UTC-4, rob markwardt wrote:
>
> the forgotten link
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/77502424@N00/albums/72157606340462594
>
> On Thursday, April 6, 2017 at 4:20:30 PM UTC-7, rob markwardt wrote:
>
>> I haven't purchased a bike in a couple years now but for me its always 
>> been about how the bike looks.  If it doesn't meet my narrow definition of 
>> cool then no matter how awesome the bike I'm not interested.  For me this 
>> means steel, classic road bike geometry, old school components, and 
>> graphics/colors/names that mesh with my brain.  Vintage 60s/70's road 
>> bikes?...YES!  Classic Riv roads/Rambo/Bleriot/Saluki/Legolas...YES!  I 
>> kind of dig the H.Homers and the Roadeos, etc. but I just can't get past 
>> the names so they aren't in my garage.  I also can't get past disc brakes, 
>> brifters, upright bars, and funky designs...I kind of like looking at them 
>> but I just don't want them.  I went bonkers for about ten years but I'm 
>> pretty happy now.  Here's what I have in order from what gets the most 
>> mileage.
>>
>> 1. Bleriot - awesome. I ride this bike all the time and if forced to pick 
>> one this is it.
>> 2. 77 Trek - Many miles the past couple years
>> 3. 74 Hetchins - sunny day road bike.  A visual of what I like?...this is 
>> it.
>> 4. Rock Combo - my mountain\snow\deluge bike
>> 5. 01 Riv custom - sunny day, long distance rider (haven't ridden this in 
>> months!)
>> 6. 71 Paramount - I love this bike but haven't ridden it for awhile.
>> 7. 79 Austro Daimler - recently converted to 650b...should be moving up 
>> the list soon.
>> 8. 72 PX-10  - Hibernating in the crawl space. 
>>
>> A few pics here
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, April 3, 2017 at 8:24:18 AM UTC-7, Bob K. wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Folks:
>>>
>>> I know threads somewhat similar to this pop up every now and again, but 
>>> Ryan's question to Eric in the Rivendell Road SOLD thread made me wonder 
>>> how folks settle on their stable size. I fall squarely in the minimalist 
>>> camp, but I'm guessing others here probably don't. So:
>>>
>>> 1. How do you settle on what N equals for you? (N+1, I know, I know...)
>>> 2. What bikes do you currently own/have in regular rotation and why do 
>>> you own them? 
>>>
>>> My stable is currently at one because of a recent sale, but it will 
>>> (soon) bump back up to two. I settled on two as the acceptable number of 
>>> bikes for a number of reasons, but mostly because I can't imagine riding 
>>> enough to justify having any more of them. We also don't have the space for 
>>> me to store any additional bikes aside from in a somewhat humid basement, 
>>> and neither my wife nor myself would appreciate more bikes in the corner of 
>>> the living room as we're not big fans of clutter, especially clutter that 
>>> doesn't get used very often.
>>>
>>> Current Stable:
>>>
>>> 1. 2009 Sam Hillborne (canti): Used mostly for road riding and touring 
>>> and some occasional single track and forest roads if the ride 
>>> allows/inspires it.
>>>
>>> 2. 2017 Surly Troll: I settled on the new Troll after a lengthy 
>>> flirtation with the idea of buying a Crust Evasion and other bikes as well. 
>>> I decided the Troll is better for my needs for a number of reasons: the 
>>> geometry readily accepts a Jones H-Bar, 2x is easy vs. not doable at all 
>>> with the Evasion, and my desired 26x3.0 setup doesn't require the need for 
>>> expensive cranksets. It's also $300 cheaper and I like the maroon better 
>>> than the also admittedly pretty Evasion color. It will take the place of my 
>>> erstwhile Krampus as my mountain bike, off-road tourer, long distance 
>>> tourer (if/when I get to do that!), kid trailer, and stuff hauler. 
>>>
>>> How about you?
>>>
>>> Bob K. in Baltimore
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[Bill M.]

Currently in the stable are three that get ridden regularly, two that don't:

Rawland Nordavinden - the current 'gosortafast' bike for weekend group 
rides, 2x10, 32 mm tires.  I have a custom frame on order that will replace 
this one, due this fall.  

Rawland rSogn - randoish build, front bag, 3x8 with a narrow range 
cassette, Hetres - I use this one for solo rides with minimal baggage.

Riv Clem - fat tires, rack, panniers - errand runner / grocery getter / 
occasional fire road cruiser.  

1984 Miyata 1000 - owned since new, will eventually wind up at the family 
homestead in Mendocino county to encourage me to get up there more often.
>
>
Burley Django recumbent - sitting in the shed unridden for several years 
now, I really should sell it.

Bill
Stockton, CA

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[RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[Will]

I walked out to the garage. Counted 8 bikes ready to ride: 2 trail bikes, 4 
mixtes, 1 sport touring road, 1 Atlantis. There are 4 more bikes, mostly 
disassembled. SO N = 12 for 4 of us. Of those 12, 4 are daily riders. All 
of the daily riders have Tubus racks and support Ortlieb bags. The other 
bikes are place holders. One of the place holders is dedicated to BOB 
trailer duty for example. 

I ride the Atlantis. I cannot find a reason to ride one of the others. So 
for me effectively... N = 1. If I had started with the Atlantis, I'd have a 
lot more room in the garage.   

On Wednesday, April 5, 2017 at 10:29:06 AM UTC-5, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>
> I have too many bicycles right now. But I do like picking something up 
> cheap and then amazing myself with how much money I can spend getting it to 
> run nicely. Conceptually, I would very much like to be a one bike guy, like 
> my great uncle Bernie, who delivered the mail for the Irish Post by bicycle 
> his whole life.
>
>
>
>
> But emotionally I just am not wired in such a fashion. As a general rule,  
> I gravitate toward bicycles with some beausage, though several recent 
> projects involve or will involve spray paint. My preferences were also 
> shaped in good measure by a Rivendell outlook, and many sport Riv parts and 
> accessories.
>
> My most important bikes are the ones I use when riding with my son. They 
> include:
>
> Rivendell Clementine , with 
> Burley Piccollo attached.
> Early 1990s Santana Vision , 26" 
> tandem
> Converted Trek 750 Multitrack , 
> with Rivendell fork
>
> Bikes I have a hard time justifying getting rid of because a., I could not 
> get much for them, and b. I like the ride.
>
> 1974? Le Tour mixte , baby blue 
> tubeset
> 1974 Ron Kitching , 531 with 
> first gen Dura Ace
> 1960s Louison Bobet , 531 with 
> Nervex lugset, set up as a fixed gear (though contemplating gears and 
> tubular tires for the summer)
> Early 80s Kuwahara , Ishiwata 022
>
> I have three projects I hope to finish in the next few month, then that's 
> it for me:
>
> 1970s Lambert , straight gauge 
> 1027 "aerospace" tubing. Converting this to 650b.
> 1970s Takara , all chrome 
> underneath, takes 700x42 tires.
> 1940s Bianchi 650b  city bike. 
> Need to replace some of the original parts, I am going to strip it down and 
> not be concerned with historical accuracy.
>
> I have several old school rigid mountain bikes 
>  laying around as well, plus a 
> Raleigh 
> Twenty folder and a couple of 
> steel road frames. 
>
> Oh, and I just picked up this "Tourist" Atala. Always wanted a bike with a 
> stick shift.
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[rob markwardt]

the forgotten link

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On Thursday, April 6, 2017 at 4:20:30 PM UTC-7, rob markwardt wrote:

> I haven't purchased a bike in a couple years now but for me its always 
> been about how the bike looks.  If it doesn't meet my narrow definition of 
> cool then no matter how awesome the bike I'm not interested.  For me this 
> means steel, classic road bike geometry, old school components, and 
> graphics/colors/names that mesh with my brain.  Vintage 60s/70's road 
> bikes?...YES!  Classic Riv roads/Rambo/Bleriot/Saluki/Legolas...YES!  I 
> kind of dig the H.Homers and the Roadeos, etc. but I just can't get past 
> the names so they aren't in my garage.  I also can't get past disc brakes, 
> brifters, upright bars, and funky designs...I kind of like looking at them 
> but I just don't want them.  I went bonkers for about ten years but I'm 
> pretty happy now.  Here's what I have in order from what gets the most 
> mileage.
>
> 1. Bleriot - awesome. I ride this bike all the time and if forced to pick 
> one this is it.
> 2. 77 Trek - Many miles the past couple years
> 3. 74 Hetchins - sunny day road bike.  A visual of what I like?...this is 
> it.
> 4. Rock Combo - my mountain\snow\deluge bike
> 5. 01 Riv custom - sunny day, long distance rider (haven't ridden this in 
> months!)
> 6. 71 Paramount - I love this bike but haven't ridden it for awhile.
> 7. 79 Austro Daimler - recently converted to 650b...should be moving up 
> the list soon.
> 8. 72 PX-10  - Hibernating in the crawl space. 
>
> A few pics here
>
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, April 3, 2017 at 8:24:18 AM UTC-7, Bob K. wrote:
>
>> Hey Folks:
>>
>> I know threads somewhat similar to this pop up every now and again, but 
>> Ryan's question to Eric in the Rivendell Road SOLD thread made me wonder 
>> how folks settle on their stable size. I fall squarely in the minimalist 
>> camp, but I'm guessing others here probably don't. So:
>>
>> 1. How do you settle on what N equals for you? (N+1, I know, I know...)
>> 2. What bikes do you currently own/have in regular rotation and why do 
>> you own them? 
>>
>> My stable is currently at one because of a recent sale, but it will 
>> (soon) bump back up to two. I settled on two as the acceptable number of 
>> bikes for a number of reasons, but mostly because I can't imagine riding 
>> enough to justify having any more of them. We also don't have the space for 
>> me to store any additional bikes aside from in a somewhat humid basement, 
>> and neither my wife nor myself would appreciate more bikes in the corner of 
>> the living room as we're not big fans of clutter, especially clutter that 
>> doesn't get used very often.
>>
>> Current Stable:
>>
>> 1. 2009 Sam Hillborne (canti): Used mostly for road riding and touring 
>> and some occasional single track and forest roads if the ride 
>> allows/inspires it.
>>
>> 2. 2017 Surly Troll: I settled on the new Troll after a lengthy 
>> flirtation with the idea of buying a Crust Evasion and other bikes as well. 
>> I decided the Troll is better for my needs for a number of reasons: the 
>> geometry readily accepts a Jones H-Bar, 2x is easy vs. not doable at all 
>> with the Evasion, and my desired 26x3.0 setup doesn't require the need for 
>> expensive cranksets. It's also $300 cheaper and I like the maroon better 
>> than the also admittedly pretty Evasion color. It will take the place of my 
>> erstwhile Krampus as my mountain bike, off-road tourer, long distance 
>> tourer (if/when I get to do that!), kid trailer, and stuff hauler. 
>>
>> How about you?
>>
>> Bob K. in Baltimore
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[rob markwardt]

I haven't purchased a bike in a couple years now but for me its always been 
about how the bike looks.  If it doesn't meet my narrow definition of cool 
then no matter how awesome the bike I'm not interested.  For me this means 
steel, classic road bike geometry, old school components, and 
graphics/colors/names that mesh with my brain.  Vintage 60s/70's road 
bikes?...YES!  Classic Riv roads/Rambo/Bleriot/Saluki/Legolas...YES!  I 
kind of dig the H.Homers and the Roadeos, etc. but I just can't get past 
the names so they aren't in my garage.  I also can't get past disc brakes, 
brifters, upright bars, and funky designs...I kind of like looking at them 
but I just don't want them.  I went bonkers for about ten years but I'm 
pretty happy now.  Here's what I have in order from what gets the most 
mileage.

1. Bleriot - awesome. I ride this bike all the time and if forced to pick 
one this is it.
2. 77 Trek - Many miles the past couple years
3. 74 Hetchins - sunny day road bike.  A visual of what I like?...this is 
it.
4. Rock Combo - my mountain\snow\deluge bike
5. 01 Riv custom - sunny day, long distance rider (haven't ridden this in 
months!)
6. 71 Paramount - I love this bike but haven't ridden it for awhile.
7. 79 Austro Daimler - recently converted to 650b...should be moving up the 
list soon.
8. 72 PX-10  - Hibernating in the crawl space. 

A few pics here





On Monday, April 3, 2017 at 8:24:18 AM UTC-7, Bob K. wrote:

> Hey Folks:
>
> I know threads somewhat similar to this pop up every now and again, but 
> Ryan's question to Eric in the Rivendell Road SOLD thread made me wonder 
> how folks settle on their stable size. I fall squarely in the minimalist 
> camp, but I'm guessing others here probably don't. So:
>
> 1. How do you settle on what N equals for you? (N+1, I know, I know...)
> 2. What bikes do you currently own/have in regular rotation and why do you 
> own them? 
>
> My stable is currently at one because of a recent sale, but it will (soon) 
> bump back up to two. I settled on two as the acceptable number of bikes for 
> a number of reasons, but mostly because I can't imagine riding enough to 
> justify having any more of them. We also don't have the space for me to 
> store any additional bikes aside from in a somewhat humid basement, and 
> neither my wife nor myself would appreciate more bikes in the corner of the 
> living room as we're not big fans of clutter, especially clutter that 
> doesn't get used very often.
>
> Current Stable:
>
> 1. 2009 Sam Hillborne (canti): Used mostly for road riding and touring and 
> some occasional single track and forest roads if the ride allows/inspires 
> it.
>
> 2. 2017 Surly Troll: I settled on the new Troll after a lengthy flirtation 
> with the idea of buying a Crust Evasion and other bikes as well. I decided 
> the Troll is better for my needs for a number of reasons: the geometry 
> readily accepts a Jones H-Bar, 2x is easy vs. not doable at all with the 
> Evasion, and my desired 26x3.0 setup doesn't require the need for expensive 
> cranksets. It's also $300 cheaper and I like the maroon better than the 
> also admittedly pretty Evasion color. It will take the place of my 
> erstwhile Krampus as my mountain bike, off-road tourer, long distance 
> tourer (if/when I get to do that!), kid trailer, and stuff hauler. 
>
> How about you?
>
> Bob K. in Baltimore
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[AJ]

It was; is, a difficult decision.  As others have noted, it may end up not 
being worth selling some of the collection.  The market may very well view 
the pieces at a lesser value than I.  -AJ

On Thursday, April 6, 2017 at 8:50:18 AM UTC-4,  Bronson wrote:
>
> Wow AJ, extremely impressive collection.  I'd be hard pressed to let 
> any of those go. 
>
> On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 5:54 PM, AJ  
> wrote: 
> > I'm preparing to move to another home, giving me the opportunity to pare 
> > down a few things.  This thread arrived at an interesting time.  Today I 
> sat 
> > down to try and figure out my N. Interesting exercise; looks like N=7. 
> > 
> > I will be parting with close 'friends'. 
> > 
> > Keeping 
> > Riv All Rounder - as name suggests 
> > Riv Bombadil - Touring 
> > Riv Rambouillet - Relaxed Road 
> > Surly Big Dummy - Grocery Getting 
> > Richard Sachs - Road 
> > 
> > Moots psychlo x - Cross 
> > La Suprema Custom - All Rounder 
> > 
> > Leaving the stable 
> > IF Touring - Touring 
> > Bike Friday Rocket - Travel 
> > Kirk Terraplane - Road 
> > Eddy Merckx Corsa - Road 
> > Rawlands Sogn - All Rounder, Mountain 
> > Lemond Poprad - Bum around 
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[RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[Wally Estrella]

> Quickbeam's the beer getter? :)
>
Actually, YES! I used it to ride into Portland to Allagash.   Those must be 
long gone by now ;)
 

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Re: [RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[Orc]

Basically all of mine are free/cheap (not counting the Rosco, which I'm 
/probably/ not going to butcher 'cuz it's a Riv frame.  It's being used as 
a jig for a Rosco rack right now, and if I never sell it will spend its 
days being a very nice jig for Rosco mixte & Appaloosa racks)   I tend to 
shove the expensive frames back out the door whenever I've got cash flow 
problems (which is basically always; rack+bag+framebuilding is not nearly 
the steady income stream that computer programming used to be) but who's 
going to buy a handmade 490x590 frame with a short HT?

-david "Well, I would, but it's more fun to build the frame than to buy it" 
parsons

On Thursday, April 6, 2017 at 6:07:04 AM UTC-7, Belopsky wrote:
>
> I have a hard time counting bikes that are "free" and "cheap" and yet I 
> have to count them and they take up room and I don't just want to toss them 
> but maybe I will donate...
> like this weird thing I built up earlier this week but since stole parts 
> off for my commuter
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/14767344@N07/33489398410/in/dateposted-public/
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[RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[Belopsky]

Quickbeam's the beer getter? :)

On Thursday, April 6, 2017 at 9:57:31 AM UTC-4, Wally Estrella wrote:
>
> I had an older (2005 or 6, I think) Karate Monkey as my "one bike to rule 
>>> them all".  It did many things well.  Others things OK.  A couple of things 
>>> not so well.  After a few years of that I felt a need to get bikes more 
>>> specific to certain tasks.  That started my N+1.  
>>
>> The current unstable stable includes: 
> 1986 Trek 500@road bike.
> Atlantis@all rounder.
> Quickbeam@main ride.
> Masi Soulville 3 speed@weather beater.
> Surly Wednesday@MTB, winter commuter.
> 1908 Iver Johnson Truss Flyer@tweed rider.
>
>
>
>
>
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[RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[Wally Estrella]

>
> I had an older (2005 or 6, I think) Karate Monkey as my "one bike to rule 
>> them all".  It did many things well.  Others things OK.  A couple of things 
>> not so well.  After a few years of that I felt a need to get bikes more 
>> specific to certain tasks.  That started my N+1.  
>
> The current unstable stable includes: 
1986 Trek 500@road bike.
Atlantis@all rounder.
Quickbeam@main ride.
Masi Soulville 3 speed@weather beater.
Surly Wednesday@MTB, winter commuter.
1908 Iver Johnson Truss Flyer@tweed rider.





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Re: [RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[Belopsky]

I have a hard time counting bikes that are "free" and "cheap" and yet I 
have to count them and they take up room and I don't just want to toss them 
but maybe I will donate...
like this weird thing I built up earlier this week but since stole parts 
off for my commuter
https://www.flickr.com/photos/14767344@N07/33489398410/in/dateposted-public/

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Re: [RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[Jim Bronson]

Wow AJ, extremely impressive collection.  I'd be hard pressed to let
any of those go.

On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 5:54 PM, AJ  wrote:
> I'm preparing to move to another home, giving me the opportunity to pare
> down a few things.  This thread arrived at an interesting time.  Today I sat
> down to try and figure out my N. Interesting exercise; looks like N=7.
>
> I will be parting with close 'friends'.
>
> Keeping
> Riv All Rounder - as name suggests
> Riv Bombadil - Touring
> Riv Rambouillet - Relaxed Road
> Surly Big Dummy - Grocery Getting
> Richard Sachs - Road
>
> Moots psychlo x - Cross
> La Suprema Custom - All Rounder
>
> Leaving the stable
> IF Touring - Touring
> Bike Friday Rocket - Travel
> Kirk Terraplane - Road
> Eddy Merckx Corsa - Road
> Rawlands Sogn - All Rounder, Mountain
> Lemond Poprad - Bum around
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Re: [RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[John G.]

Like Jeff, I've done a decent amount of catch and release over the past few 
years. Just a few more tweaks and I should have my stable settled. For 
real. No, I'm serious!

Here's what it looks like now:
1. Everything Bike: 61 cm Atlantis: my most recent addition, and by far my 
favorite. If I'm riding alone, there's a really good chance that I'll take 
the Atlantis. I'm setting any records on it, but it's just a wonderful way 
to go out and enjoy an afternoon.
2. Feeling Zippy Bike: 63 cm Mercian Superlight: Before I purchased the 
Atlantis, this was my most used bike. This is the bike that convinced me 
that as a 6'1 guy, I should not be riding size 58 road bikes. It's a faster 
than the Atlantis, and super comfy--the headtube is like 10 feet tall.
3. Problem Child/Organ Donor Bike: Soma Smoothie 58cm: the speed is 
seductive, but it just doesn't fit and isn't good for much aside from 
keeping up with friends on rides. I have some nice parts on it, and would 
love to use them to build up a modern Zippy bike that actually fits.

Stuff that got cut:
1. Surly Cross Check: I actually regret selling this, but I almost made 
back my money on it. 
2. Surly Pacer: Hated this. Really uncomfortable.
3. Hunqapillar: Wonderful bike, but just doesn't suit my style of riding 
(90% pavement).
4. CAAD10: the first decent bike I ever bought. I really wish I had known 
about Rivendell at the time. Then again, I really didn't know what kind of 
a rider I was.


On Thursday, April 6, 2017 at 6:53:32 AM UTC-4, Jeff wrote:
>
> I've done a fair amount of catch and release over the past dozen years or 
> so (whereas 12+ years ago I was a one bike guy) and have been trying to get 
> the bike stable down to the fewest bikes possible while also being able to 
> satisfy all of my biking interests. I'm currently at:
>
> 1. Touring/Allroad/Weekender/Rando ride: Sam Hillborne, soon to be 
> replaced with an All City Space Horse Disc
> 2. Off-road Touring/Rough stuff: Surly Troll
> 3. Commuter: Breezer Belway (belt drive, IGH)
> 4. Cruiser: Rosco Bubbe v2
> 5. Family: Bike Friday Family Tandem
>
> I could do without the Rosco, that's just an indulgence. The commuter 
> isn't necessary but belt drive/IGH makes for a nice minimal maintenance 
> bike. I mostly use the Troll for reasonably worn or groomed trail riding, 
> where just about any other bike in the stable could work, but I like to be 
> able to veer off of the well traveled path on occasion. The family tandem 
> shouldn't count, that's straight family fun with my daughters. I guess I 
> could get down to 3 bikes, including the tandem. 
>
> My stable has been as many as 8 or 9 bikes and that just felt unwieldy - 
> at that many bikes there's too many bikes that just don't get attention 
> that someone else may give them. I'm not interested in museum pieces that 
> can only come out for a slow ride around the driveway on Sundays, so that 
> attitude informs my catch rate as well.
>
> -Jeff
> Silver Spring, MD
>
> On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 9:34 PM, Robert Keal  > wrote:
>
>> Awesome responses, folks!
>>
>> While I firmly believe that my n=2, if I were to add a bike, it would 
>> most definitely be a tandem. I planned to buy a 26" wheeled mtb Burly Rock 
>> and Roll off a friend who bought a HHH tandem, but in the end I couldn't 
>> justify it. Pretty bummed about that, but I'm sure another opportunity to 
>> own a tandem will present itself down the road. And when we move away from 
>> my school's campus and back to the city, a cargo bike will be extremely 
>> tempting...
>>
>> Bob K. in Baltimore
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Re: [RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[Jeff Lesperance]

I've done a fair amount of catch and release over the past dozen years or
so (whereas 12+ years ago I was a one bike guy) and have been trying to get
the bike stable down to the fewest bikes possible while also being able to
satisfy all of my biking interests. I'm currently at:

1. Touring/Allroad/Weekender/Rando ride: Sam Hillborne, soon to be replaced
with an All City Space Horse Disc
2. Off-road Touring/Rough stuff: Surly Troll
3. Commuter: Breezer Belway (belt drive, IGH)
4. Cruiser: Rosco Bubbe v2
5. Family: Bike Friday Family Tandem

I could do without the Rosco, that's just an indulgence. The commuter isn't
necessary but belt drive/IGH makes for a nice minimal maintenance bike. I
mostly use the Troll for reasonably worn or groomed trail riding, where
just about any other bike in the stable could work, but I like to be able
to veer off of the well traveled path on occasion. The family tandem
shouldn't count, that's straight family fun with my daughters. I guess I
could get down to 3 bikes, including the tandem.

My stable has been as many as 8 or 9 bikes and that just felt unwieldy - at
that many bikes there's too many bikes that just don't get attention that
someone else may give them. I'm not interested in museum pieces that can
only come out for a slow ride around the driveway on Sundays, so that
attitude informs my catch rate as well.

-Jeff
Silver Spring, MD

On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 9:34 PM, Robert Keal  wrote:

> Awesome responses, folks!
>
> While I firmly believe that my n=2, if I were to add a bike, it would most
> definitely be a tandem. I planned to buy a 26" wheeled mtb Burly Rock and
> Roll off a friend who bought a HHH tandem, but in the end I couldn't
> justify it. Pretty bummed about that, but I'm sure another opportunity to
> own a tandem will present itself down the road. And when we move away from
> my school's campus and back to the city, a cargo bike will be extremely
> tempting...
>
> Bob K. in Baltimore
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Re: [RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[Robert Keal]

Awesome responses, folks!

While I firmly believe that my n=2, if I were to add a bike, it would most
definitely be a tandem. I planned to buy a 26" wheeled mtb Burly Rock and
Roll off a friend who bought a HHH tandem, but in the end I couldn't
justify it. Pretty bummed about that, but I'm sure another opportunity to
own a tandem will present itself down the road. And when we move away from
my school's campus and back to the city, a cargo bike will be extremely
tempting...

Bob K. in Baltimore

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[RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[nathan]

I've enjoyed this thread too, and it's been a while since I cataloged the 
herd!

I'm down to only one Riv (though my partner has a Saluki and a Betty Foy):

- Yves Gomez - dark grey metallic fendered racked commuter, purchased from 
Dave at RBW a few years ago. It's a little small for me, so it doesn't get 
ridden much. I'll likely sell it soon.

Non-Rivs:

- Box Dog Bikes Pelican - daily rider / tourer / camper; fenders, porteur 
rack and bags
- Ebisu All Purpose - road-ish build
- Ebisu All Purpose - randonneur build (parked at the in-laws' for when I'm 
in town)

N+1 = Bikepacking rig. Crust Evasion/Scapegoat, Hunqapillar, Jones Plus, or 
Surly Troll / Karate Monkey 27.5+…? Anyone looking to sell something like 
this in the 58-60 (89 PBH) size?
N+2 = Cargo bike.
N+3 = Quickbeam or SimpleOne.

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[RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[Christopher Cote]

I love these threads. I specifically try not to keep count of my bikes. I 
think the ideal N would be 1, but like an ideal gas, or the infamous 
"frictionless plane" from physics class, the "ideal bike" that does it all 
doesn't exist (for me at least). I suppose I could get by with two, a road 
bike and a mountain bike.

Tallying up the collection:

1. Rivendell Rambouillet - Fastish road bike. I tried to sell this late 
last year, but couldn't bring myself to let it go. It's too beautiful, and 
too sentimental for the price it would fetch.
2. Heron Touring - I tried to cut this one loose as well, but it rides so 
nicely and is so practical. And again, it's not worth much on the open 
market, so I'm happy to keep it.
3. Ocean Air Rambler - A bit of an impulse purchase, and I wanted to try 
low trail and really fat road tires. I love the light, springy feel of the 
frame and the ride of the Compass 700x42 tires. Not sure about low trail, 
though.
4. Univega Viva Sport - Garage sale find, rebuilt with newer used parts. 
Super cheap, and as nice a ride as any of the above. This one is a keeper.
5. Surly Karate Monkey - Regular mountain bike. OK, but I don't love it. 
I'd like to replace this with something. Not sure what yet.
6. Surly Wednesday - Fat bike purchased for snow riding that I find myself 
riding all year.
7. Surly Ice Cream Truck - Even fatter bike than the Wednesday. This is a 
recent purchase. The 5" tires are so much better in soft snow. I may build 
a set of 29+ wheels for either this or the Wednesday and use that as a 
replacement for the Karate Monkey.
8. Trek 920 - My first mountain bike from 1996-ish. Post cool-Trek era. 
Probably going to let it go at a swap meet.
9. Bianchi Nyala - Winter beater that I bought last fall. I did not gel 
with this bike. I think I'm done with 26"  wheels and NORBA geometry. 
Probably going to part it out.

Chris


On Monday, April 3, 2017 at 11:24:18 AM UTC-4, Bob K. wrote:
>
> Hey Folks:
>
> I know threads somewhat similar to this pop up every now and again, but 
> Ryan's question to Eric in the Rivendell Road SOLD thread made me wonder 
> how folks settle on their stable size. I fall squarely in the minimalist 
> camp, but I'm guessing others here probably don't. So:
>
> 1. How do you settle on what N equals for you? (N+1, I know, I know...)
> 2. What bikes do you currently own/have in regular rotation and why do you 
> own them? 
>
> My stable is currently at one because of a recent sale, but it will (soon) 
> bump back up to two. I settled on two as the acceptable number of bikes for 
> a number of reasons, but mostly because I can't imagine riding enough to 
> justify having any more of them. We also don't have the space for me to 
> store any additional bikes aside from in a somewhat humid basement, and 
> neither my wife nor myself would appreciate more bikes in the corner of the 
> living room as we're not big fans of clutter, especially clutter that 
> doesn't get used very often.
>
> Current Stable:
>
> 1. 2009 Sam Hillborne (canti): Used mostly for road riding and touring and 
> some occasional single track and forest roads if the ride allows/inspires 
> it.
>
> 2. 2017 Surly Troll: I settled on the new Troll after a lengthy flirtation 
> with the idea of buying a Crust Evasion and other bikes as well. I decided 
> the Troll is better for my needs for a number of reasons: the geometry 
> readily accepts a Jones H-Bar, 2x is easy vs. not doable at all with the 
> Evasion, and my desired 26x3.0 setup doesn't require the need for expensive 
> cranksets. It's also $300 cheaper and I like the maroon better than the 
> also admittedly pretty Evasion color. It will take the place of my 
> erstwhile Krampus as my mountain bike, off-road tourer, long distance 
> tourer (if/when I get to do that!), kid trailer, and stuff hauler. 
>
> How about you?
>
> Bob K. in Baltimore
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[Belopsky]

if I had room and the funds I'd get a Big Dummy again OR (and I am much 
more tempted for this) a Cycle Trucks 
SUB http://www.cycletrucks.com/products.html


I also changed the tires on my mixte 
:) https://www.flickr.com/photos/14767344@N07/33050638523/in/dateposted-public/

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Re: [RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[Patrick Moore]

Nice collection! Care to share a photo and description of your Richard
Sachs? Custom built for you? Also the La Suprema.

I'd be tempted to keep the Merckx, too.

On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 4:54 PM, AJ  wrote:

> I'm preparing to move to another home, giving me the opportunity to pare
> down a few things.  This thread arrived at an interesting time.  Today I
> sat down to try and figure out my N. Interesting exercise; looks like N=7.
>
> I will be parting with close 'friends'.
>
> *Keeping*
> Riv All Rounder - as name suggests
> Riv Bombadil - Touring
> Riv Rambouillet - Relaxed Road
> Surly Big Dummy - Grocery Getting
> Richard Sachs - Road
>>
>> Moots psychlo x - Cross
> La Suprema Custom - All Rounder
>
> *Leaving the stable*
> IF Touring - Touring
> Bike Friday Rocket - Travel
> Kirk Terraplane - Road
> Eddy Merckx Corsa - Road
> Rawlands Sogn - All Rounder, Mountain
> Lemond Poprad - Bum around
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[RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[AJ]

I'm preparing to move to another home, giving me the opportunity to pare 
down a few things.  This thread arrived at an interesting time.  Today I 
sat down to try and figure out my N. Interesting exercise; looks like N=7.  

I will be parting with close 'friends'.

*Keeping*
Riv All Rounder - as name suggests
Riv Bombadil - Touring
Riv Rambouillet - Relaxed Road
Surly Big Dummy - Grocery Getting
Richard Sachs - Road 
>
> Moots psychlo x - Cross
La Suprema Custom - All Rounder

*Leaving the stable*
IF Touring - Touring
Bike Friday Rocket - Travel
Kirk Terraplane - Road
Eddy Merckx Corsa - Road
Rawlands Sogn - All Rounder, Mountain
Lemond Poprad - Bum around

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[RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[Eric Karnes]

Mark, that Trek 750 is a great bike. I've run across it a few times and have 
always admired your conversation. Such a great utilitarian look. Nice work!

Eric

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[RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[Belopsky]

Already updated yesterday's new bike..

https://www.flickr.com/photos/14767344@N07/33472809920/in/dateposted-public/

Suzue Classica / TB14 wheelset I had with 38mm Big Bens. I am amazed there 
is clearance for these WITH fenders. Without fenders I can fit some 50mm 
easily it seems. No reason to, but I can.

Rear is not shifting that well..I dont know why exactly..Sunrace shifter 
isnt the greatest, cable is new, housing is filed/cleaned up at the ends. 
Maybe it's the old derailleur, I may try my newer Altus and see if it's any 
better..

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Re: [RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[Patrick Moore]

Me too. Or, better: I too!

On Tue, Apr 4, 2017 at 11:36 AM, Philip Kim  wrote:

> ooh, i would love to see a picture of the curt goodrich custom!
>
>
> On Tuesday, April 4, 2017 at 1:31:31 PM UTC-4, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>>
>> Interesting thread!
>>
>> Bikes I think are elegant ,practical and I will ride and are special
>>
>> Nothing I have to go into debt for...if I want a bike I'll save for it
>> and buy  once other obligations are met. The expectation and parts picking
>> are all part of the fun
>>
>> I have sold bikes for a reasonable sum that another would ride (87
>> Rossin, 85 M500 Cannondale) that I  no longer needed or wanted
>>
>> My N bikes
>>
>> *Elegant mutts*
>> 1993 X0-1 fairly close to original spec. 24 years and still going strong.
>> When I had my bike accident where I ended up with the L1 crushed vertebrae,
>> bike was unscathed except for a scrape on the side of the saddle. ...in
>> fact I took my first ride on it since my accident last fall . Both bike and
>> rider are just fine, thank the fates
>>
>> 1974 PX-10 set up as an SS w moustache bars
>>
>> *The queens (not garage queens)*
>>
>> 1997 Riv allrounder
>>
>> 2001 Curt Goodrich built Riv custom road bike
>>
>> 2017 Mark Nobilette Custom
>>
>> At this point I don't have an N+ 1well maybe a ladies' Clem
>>
>> When I shuffle off this mortal coil , I'll want them out in the world
>> where they'll be ridden and loved.  I am not in the least bit  morbid or
>>  anything but they are a legacy that I have to consider. I wonder how you
>> guys feel about that. Purely a speculative question
>>
>> On Monday, April 3, 2017 at 10:24:18 AM UTC-5, Bob K. wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey Folks:
>>>
>>> I know threads somewhat similar to this pop up every now and again, but
>>> Ryan's question to Eric in the Rivendell Road SOLD thread made me wonder
>>> how folks settle on their stable size. I fall squarely in the minimalist
>>> camp, but I'm guessing others here probably don't. So:
>>>
>>> 1. How do you settle on what N equals for you? (N+1, I know, I know...)
>>> 2. What bikes do you currently own/have in regular rotation and why do
>>> you own them?
>>>
>>> My stable is currently at one because of a recent sale, but it will
>>> (soon) bump back up to two. I settled on two as the acceptable number of
>>> bikes for a number of reasons, but mostly because I can't imagine riding
>>> enough to justify having any more of them. We also don't have the space for
>>> me to store any additional bikes aside from in a somewhat humid basement,
>>> and neither my wife nor myself would appreciate more bikes in the corner of
>>> the living room as we're not big fans of clutter, especially clutter that
>>> doesn't get used very often.
>>>
>>> Current Stable:
>>>
>>> 1. 2009 Sam Hillborne (canti): Used mostly for road riding and touring
>>> and some occasional single track and forest roads if the ride
>>> allows/inspires it.
>>>
>>> 2. 2017 Surly Troll: I settled on the new Troll after a lengthy
>>> flirtation with the idea of buying a Crust Evasion and other bikes as well.
>>> I decided the Troll is better for my needs for a number of reasons: the
>>> geometry readily accepts a Jones H-Bar, 2x is easy vs. not doable at all
>>> with the Evasion, and my desired 26x3.0 setup doesn't require the need for
>>> expensive cranksets. It's also $300 cheaper and I like the maroon better
>>> than the also admittedly pretty Evasion color. It will take the place of my
>>> erstwhile Krampus as my mountain bike, off-road tourer, long distance
>>> tourer (if/when I get to do that!), kid trailer, and stuff hauler.
>>>
>>> How about you?
>>>
>>> Bob K. in Baltimore
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[Eric Floden]

"We are aiming for one hundred and still have so far to go"


On Apr 4, 2017 6:41 AM, "Jim S."  wrote:

This is an interesting question. I have a wife and 5 kids. In our garage
there are, I dunno, 20 bikes or so. The kids all have 2, and there are a
couple that are in-between kids. My wife and I each have 4, plus there's a
Brompton. Hell, I guess there must be more than 20.

With that said, I frequently get questions like this: (from crabby
mother-in-law and also visitors to our back yard who can see into the
garage) "How many bikes do you have?" with a tone suggesting that having a
garage full of bikes is somehow inappropriate for some reason.

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[RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[Justin, Oakland]

Currently I have 2.5 bikes. I would prefer 2. I don't log enough hours to 
justify more to me.
1) Saluki: Commuter, Road, Coffee, Fire trail, everything but the rocks, roots 
and downhills.
2) El Mariachi: Rocks, roots and downhills. 29er with front suspension.  In a 
world where I can sneakily do it I swap out this for a Jones. Or I try it with 
a rigid fork and 27.5+. That sounds juust right. 
.5) Specialized RockHopper that was going to be a camping bike but I'm going to 
be moving along soon. I'll take the MAP Bars and sell the rest. Anyone want a 
nicely kept small sized RockHopper?

I had a dream of building up a stripped down roadie but I'll just get my 28 
hole wheelset laces up for the Saluki. I love the difference in doing MTB with 
front suspension and disc brakes. It's just different and fun. I think a Jones 
would give me that as well plus it would be more versatile. 

My wife has a Betty Foy and I use that to commute on sometimes. A Betty/Ives 
(fixed 650b) would be the only 3rd bike I'd be interested in. Maybe a Cheviot 
if kids come but we'll see on that. 

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[RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[Deacon Patrick]

See, honey? I'm a minimalist with just my two bikes. Grin.

To answer the question, I am usually happy with two bikes. The window when 
I'm not gets smaller every year as I do better riding the QB on longer 
rides in the spring when the roads are clear for miles and miles, but the 
trails are still snowed in (April into May). That's when I have to practice 
contentment against a country bike with gears (the QB is a single speed 
country bike).

So, to actually answer the rest of the question:

Hunqapillar: Everything. (Includes day rides, single track, bikepacking, 
grocery getter, country bike, all weathers, etc.)
Quickbeam: Day rides that are go fast and light. 

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, April 3, 2017 at 9:24:18 AM UTC-6, Bob K. wrote:
>
> Hey Folks:
>
> I know threads somewhat similar to this pop up every now and again, but 
> Ryan's question to Eric in the Rivendell Road SOLD thread made me wonder 
> how folks settle on their stable size. I fall squarely in the minimalist 
> camp, but I'm guessing others here probably don't. So:
>
> 1. How do you settle on what N equals for you? (N+1, I know, I know...)
> 2. What bikes do you currently own/have in regular rotation and why do you 
> own them? 
>
> My stable is currently at one because of a recent sale, but it will (soon) 
> bump back up to two. I settled on two as the acceptable number of bikes for 
> a number of reasons, but mostly because I can't imagine riding enough to 
> justify having any more of them. We also don't have the space for me to 
> store any additional bikes aside from in a somewhat humid basement, and 
> neither my wife nor myself would appreciate more bikes in the corner of the 
> living room as we're not big fans of clutter, especially clutter that 
> doesn't get used very often.
>
> Current Stable:
>
> 1. 2009 Sam Hillborne (canti): Used mostly for road riding and touring and 
> some occasional single track and forest roads if the ride allows/inspires 
> it.
>
> 2. 2017 Surly Troll: I settled on the new Troll after a lengthy flirtation 
> with the idea of buying a Crust Evasion and other bikes as well. I decided 
> the Troll is better for my needs for a number of reasons: the geometry 
> readily accepts a Jones H-Bar, 2x is easy vs. not doable at all with the 
> Evasion, and my desired 26x3.0 setup doesn't require the need for expensive 
> cranksets. It's also $300 cheaper and I like the maroon better than the 
> also admittedly pretty Evasion color. It will take the place of my 
> erstwhile Krampus as my mountain bike, off-road tourer, long distance 
> tourer (if/when I get to do that!), kid trailer, and stuff hauler. 
>
> How about you?
>
> Bob K. in Baltimore
>
>

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[RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[Scott McLain]

Wow, what a thread!

I feel much better about my own bike collection:
2006 LHT
2007 A Homer Hilsen
2014 Surly Pacer
Rockhopper 29er - For my kids to use
Stumpjumper 29er - For my use
Betty Foye - My wife's bike
1969 Scwhinn Twinn Tandem
1989 Marin Eldridge
A host of kids bikes
No Carbon bikes.


On Tuesday, April 4, 2017 at 12:21:16 PM UTC-6, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>
> Sorry Phillip ...the harvest gold and me on the left for a rather nice 
> 65km Charity ride for a home for patients with Alzheimer's ...it has one of 
> Riv's vegan bar tubes
>
> Mix of Nitto , a little campagnolo, old suntour, brrooks...this and that. 
> With Compass Stampede pass EL tires...best road tires I've ever ridden. 
> It's my go-fast bike   ...but the engine not so much. The 65km draws out 
> the fast ridersplenty pass me unless  they have flats :)
>
> On Tuesday, April 4, 2017 at 12:36:14 PM UTC-5, Philip Kim wrote:
>>
>> ooh, i would love to see a picture of the curt goodrich custom!
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 4, 2017 at 1:31:31 PM UTC-4, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>>>
>>> Interesting thread!
>>>
>>> Bikes I think are elegant ,practical and I will ride and are special
>>>
>>> Nothing I have to go into debt for...if I want a bike I'll save for it 
>>> and buy  once other obligations are met. The expectation and parts picking 
>>> are all part of the fun
>>>
>>> I have sold bikes for a reasonable sum that another would ride (87 
>>> Rossin, 85 M500 Cannondale) that I  no longer needed or wanted
>>>
>>> My N bikes
>>>
>>> *Elegant mutts*
>>> 1993 X0-1 fairly close to original spec. 24 years and still going 
>>> strong. When I had my bike accident where I ended up with the L1 crushed 
>>> vertebrae, bike was unscathed except for a scrape on the side of the 
>>> saddle. ...in fact I took my first ride on it since my accident last fall . 
>>> Both bike and rider are just fine, thank the fates
>>>
>>> 1974 PX-10 set up as an SS w moustache bars
>>>
>>> *The queens (not garage queens)*
>>>
>>> 1997 Riv allrounder
>>>
>>> 2001 Curt Goodrich built Riv custom road bike
>>>
>>> 2017 Mark Nobilette Custom
>>>
>>> At this point I don't have an N+ 1well maybe a ladies' Clem
>>>
>>> When I shuffle off this mortal coil , I'll want them out in the world 
>>> where they'll be ridden and loved.  I am not in the least bit  morbid or 
>>>  anything but they are a legacy that I have to consider. I wonder how you 
>>> guys feel about that. Purely a speculative question
>>>
>>> On Monday, April 3, 2017 at 10:24:18 AM UTC-5, Bob K. wrote:

 Hey Folks:

 I know threads somewhat similar to this pop up every now and again, but 
 Ryan's question to Eric in the Rivendell Road SOLD thread made me wonder 
 how folks settle on their stable size. I fall squarely in the minimalist 
 camp, but I'm guessing others here probably don't. So:

 1. How do you settle on what N equals for you? (N+1, I know, I know...)
 2. What bikes do you currently own/have in regular rotation and why do 
 you own them? 

 My stable is currently at one because of a recent sale, but it will 
 (soon) bump back up to two. I settled on two as the acceptable number of 
 bikes for a number of reasons, but mostly because I can't imagine riding 
 enough to justify having any more of them. We also don't have the space 
 for 
 me to store any additional bikes aside from in a somewhat humid basement, 
 and neither my wife nor myself would appreciate more bikes in the corner 
 of 
 the living room as we're not big fans of clutter, especially clutter that 
 doesn't get used very often.

 Current Stable:

 1. 2009 Sam Hillborne (canti): Used mostly for road riding and touring 
 and some occasional single track and forest roads if the ride 
 allows/inspires it.

 2. 2017 Surly Troll: I settled on the new Troll after a lengthy 
 flirtation with the idea of buying a Crust Evasion and other bikes as 
 well. 
 I decided the Troll is better for my needs for a number of reasons: the 
 geometry readily accepts a Jones H-Bar, 2x is easy vs. not doable at all 
 with the Evasion, and my desired 26x3.0 setup doesn't require the need for 
 expensive cranksets. It's also $300 cheaper and I like the maroon better 
 than the also admittedly pretty Evasion color. It will take the place of 
 my 
 erstwhile Krampus as my mountain bike, off-road tourer, long distance 
 tourer (if/when I get to do that!), kid trailer, and stuff hauler. 

 How about you?

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[RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[Ryan Fleming]

Indeed. I wonder if he's still actively building. 

It may be to some that Rivendell customs are extravagant. But they are 
 lovingly crafted. They're beautiful machines. Now, it seems like it would 
be hard to exceed the already high standards of the production models. But 
the customs do pull it off and it's not fluff. There's a lot of meticulous 
hand labour and skill going on there. Also, it's the best riding  road bike 
I've ever owned and I've had a few.

On Tuesday, April 4, 2017 at 12:55:05 PM UTC-5, Philip Kim wrote:
>
> awesome! I always admired his handywork
>
> On Tuesday, April 4, 2017 at 1:41:01 PM UTC-4, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 4, 2017 at 12:36:14 PM UTC-5, Philip Kim wrote:
>>>
>>> ooh, i would love to see a picture of the curt goodrich custom!
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 4, 2017 at 1:31:31 PM UTC-4, Ryan Fleming wrote:

 Interesting thread!

 Bikes I think are elegant ,practical and I will ride and are special

 Nothing I have to go into debt for...if I want a bike I'll save for it 
 and buy  once other obligations are met. The expectation and parts picking 
 are all part of the fun

 I have sold bikes for a reasonable sum that another would ride (87 
 Rossin, 85 M500 Cannondale) that I  no longer needed or wanted

 My N bikes

 *Elegant mutts*
 1993 X0-1 fairly close to original spec. 24 years and still going 
 strong. When I had my bike accident where I ended up with the L1 crushed 
 vertebrae, bike was unscathed except for a scrape on the side of the 
 saddle. ...in fact I took my first ride on it since my accident last fall 
 . 
 Both bike and rider are just fine, thank the fates

 1974 PX-10 set up as an SS w moustache bars

 *The queens (not garage queens)*

 1997 Riv allrounder

 2001 Curt Goodrich built Riv custom road bike

 2017 Mark Nobilette Custom

 At this point I don't have an N+ 1well maybe a ladies' Clem

 When I shuffle off this mortal coil , I'll want them out in the world 
 where they'll be ridden and loved.  I am not in the least bit  morbid or 
  anything but they are a legacy that I have to consider. I wonder how you 
 guys feel about that. Purely a speculative question

 On Monday, April 3, 2017 at 10:24:18 AM UTC-5, Bob K. wrote:
>
> Hey Folks:
>
> I know threads somewhat similar to this pop up every now and again, 
> but Ryan's question to Eric in the Rivendell Road SOLD thread made me 
> wonder how folks settle on their stable size. I fall squarely in the 
> minimalist camp, but I'm guessing others here probably don't. So:
>
> 1. How do you settle on what N equals for you? (N+1, I know, I know...)
> 2. What bikes do you currently own/have in regular rotation and why do 
> you own them? 
>
> My stable is currently at one because of a recent sale, but it will 
> (soon) bump back up to two. I settled on two as the acceptable number of 
> bikes for a number of reasons, but mostly because I can't imagine riding 
> enough to justify having any more of them. We also don't have the space 
> for 
> me to store any additional bikes aside from in a somewhat humid basement, 
> and neither my wife nor myself would appreciate more bikes in the corner 
> of 
> the living room as we're not big fans of clutter, especially clutter that 
> doesn't get used very often.
>
> Current Stable:
>
> 1. 2009 Sam Hillborne (canti): Used mostly for road riding and touring 
> and some occasional single track and forest roads if the ride 
> allows/inspires it.
>
> 2. 2017 Surly Troll: I settled on the new Troll after a lengthy 
> flirtation with the idea of buying a Crust Evasion and other bikes as 
> well. 
> I decided the Troll is better for my needs for a number of reasons: the 
> geometry readily accepts a Jones H-Bar, 2x is easy vs. not doable at all 
> with the Evasion, and my desired 26x3.0 setup doesn't require the need 
> for 
> expensive cranksets. It's also $300 cheaper and I like the maroon better 
> than the also admittedly pretty Evasion color. It will take the place of 
> my 
> erstwhile Krampus as my mountain bike, off-road tourer, long distance 
> tourer (if/when I get to do that!), kid trailer, and stuff hauler. 
>
> How about you?
>
> Bob K. in Baltimore
>
>

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[RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[Orc]

On Tuesday, April 4, 2017 at 10:31:31 AM UTC-7, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>
> When I shuffle off this mortal coil , I'll want them out in the world 
> where they'll be ridden and loved.  I am not in the least bit  morbid or 
>  anything but they are a legacy that I have to consider.
>

I fully expect that when I die most of my bicycles will end up being 
recycled.  My idea of a comfortable fit is fairly idiosyncratic, and I 
build my machines out of light enough tubing so that they'll be well along 
the fatigue curve by the time my warranty expires.

-david parsons

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[RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[Ryan Fleming]

Sorry Phillip ...the harvest gold and me on the left for a rather nice 65km 
Charity ride for a home for patients with Alzheimer's ...it has one of 
Riv's vegan bar tubes

Mix of Nitto , a little campagnolo, old suntour, brrooks...this and that. 
With Compass Stampede pass EL tires...best road tires I've ever ridden. 
It's my go-fast bike   ...but the engine not so much. The 65km draws out 
the fast ridersplenty pass me unless  they have flats :)

On Tuesday, April 4, 2017 at 12:36:14 PM UTC-5, Philip Kim wrote:
>
> ooh, i would love to see a picture of the curt goodrich custom!
>
> On Tuesday, April 4, 2017 at 1:31:31 PM UTC-4, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>>
>> Interesting thread!
>>
>> Bikes I think are elegant ,practical and I will ride and are special
>>
>> Nothing I have to go into debt for...if I want a bike I'll save for it 
>> and buy  once other obligations are met. The expectation and parts picking 
>> are all part of the fun
>>
>> I have sold bikes for a reasonable sum that another would ride (87 
>> Rossin, 85 M500 Cannondale) that I  no longer needed or wanted
>>
>> My N bikes
>>
>> *Elegant mutts*
>> 1993 X0-1 fairly close to original spec. 24 years and still going strong. 
>> When I had my bike accident where I ended up with the L1 crushed vertebrae, 
>> bike was unscathed except for a scrape on the side of the saddle. ...in 
>> fact I took my first ride on it since my accident last fall . Both bike and 
>> rider are just fine, thank the fates
>>
>> 1974 PX-10 set up as an SS w moustache bars
>>
>> *The queens (not garage queens)*
>>
>> 1997 Riv allrounder
>>
>> 2001 Curt Goodrich built Riv custom road bike
>>
>> 2017 Mark Nobilette Custom
>>
>> At this point I don't have an N+ 1well maybe a ladies' Clem
>>
>> When I shuffle off this mortal coil , I'll want them out in the world 
>> where they'll be ridden and loved.  I am not in the least bit  morbid or 
>>  anything but they are a legacy that I have to consider. I wonder how you 
>> guys feel about that. Purely a speculative question
>>
>> On Monday, April 3, 2017 at 10:24:18 AM UTC-5, Bob K. wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey Folks:
>>>
>>> I know threads somewhat similar to this pop up every now and again, but 
>>> Ryan's question to Eric in the Rivendell Road SOLD thread made me wonder 
>>> how folks settle on their stable size. I fall squarely in the minimalist 
>>> camp, but I'm guessing others here probably don't. So:
>>>
>>> 1. How do you settle on what N equals for you? (N+1, I know, I know...)
>>> 2. What bikes do you currently own/have in regular rotation and why do 
>>> you own them? 
>>>
>>> My stable is currently at one because of a recent sale, but it will 
>>> (soon) bump back up to two. I settled on two as the acceptable number of 
>>> bikes for a number of reasons, but mostly because I can't imagine riding 
>>> enough to justify having any more of them. We also don't have the space for 
>>> me to store any additional bikes aside from in a somewhat humid basement, 
>>> and neither my wife nor myself would appreciate more bikes in the corner of 
>>> the living room as we're not big fans of clutter, especially clutter that 
>>> doesn't get used very often.
>>>
>>> Current Stable:
>>>
>>> 1. 2009 Sam Hillborne (canti): Used mostly for road riding and touring 
>>> and some occasional single track and forest roads if the ride 
>>> allows/inspires it.
>>>
>>> 2. 2017 Surly Troll: I settled on the new Troll after a lengthy 
>>> flirtation with the idea of buying a Crust Evasion and other bikes as well. 
>>> I decided the Troll is better for my needs for a number of reasons: the 
>>> geometry readily accepts a Jones H-Bar, 2x is easy vs. not doable at all 
>>> with the Evasion, and my desired 26x3.0 setup doesn't require the need for 
>>> expensive cranksets. It's also $300 cheaper and I like the maroon better 
>>> than the also admittedly pretty Evasion color. It will take the place of my 
>>> erstwhile Krampus as my mountain bike, off-road tourer, long distance 
>>> tourer (if/when I get to do that!), kid trailer, and stuff hauler. 
>>>
>>> How about you?
>>>
>>> Bob K. in Baltimore
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

['Mojo' via RBW Owners Bunch]

 
>
> My N has been stable at 8 for awhile which is too many. Luckily for me D 
> is apparently greater than 8 but it is possible D = 9 so I am not pushing 
> it. I think that my preferred N should be closer to 4, but I seem to be 
> having a hard time downsizing. There is one main reason for this, I keep 
> changing. My changes:1) I just retired so there is no need for a commuter, 
> but I still run errands and shop on a bike so that type of bike is 
> "necessary."  2) After being a roadie for decades, I am becoming more of a 
> dirt rider. The auto driver hoards win, I don't want to go like 
> Mike Hall last week, so most of my rides for fun and fitness are now in the 
> dirt. 3) Finally after racing in the 1980s-1990s and holding on to that 
> type of riding (hammer, paceline, performance, light-weight bikes, hard 
> tires) into the oughts, I now am more interested in touring (like my 1970s 
> cycling origins). So my bikes in order of importance at this time:
>
 
1) Jones Plus 
 
 
it is the bike I would grab in case of a house fire.
2) Legolas 
 
because 
of its versatility as a go-fast, a randonneur, as a multi-surface or gravel 
bike. It currently has fenders, M12 rack with Acorn h'bar bag, Son dynamo 
with Edulux.  It also has a Tom Matchak 
 low-trail fork, seen here 

.
3) Surly LHT 
 
this was my commuter and is still my load carrier. Why do I love this low 
cost bike? Well it too has a Matchak low-trail fork, and SP & Luxos U 
lighting system, Tubus racks, Ritchey Logic crank, so it is not so 
inexpensive. It also is the only bike with (Mavic) friction downtube 
shifters that I still love. This bike can do so much and adventure is 
written all over it.
4) Rivendell Road Standard 
 
designed by Grant, built by Curt, painted by Joe this is a go-fast bike 
that isn't as versatile as the Legolas. But man it just fits beautifully 
and I still love it. It is the bike I chose for Ride the Rockies in 2014. 
It is my only bike with caliper brakes, lugged stem, a lovely TA crank, 
Noodle bars (like all my drop bar bikes), Campy brifters mated to 9 speed 
derailers and cassette. 
5) Surly Pugsley 
There
 
are better fat bikes now. But I have it heavily accessorized (Moonlander 
fork, Son-Edulux, BigO fenders 
) 
and I just love the way it rides. It is my backup dirt bike but doesn't 
perform near as well as the Jones in that role. And the Jones is nearly as 
versatile in snow with a 4 inch tire up front.
6) Quickbeam, 
 
1st generation, set up with 5 single speed gears (two chainrings, dingle, 
and a flip flop) and a fixed multi-gear rear wheel 
 
that hasn't been used for years. A SS is fun but also limiting (part of the 
fun!) and could go to someone else. But then I take it for a long ride and 
I just can't bring myself to sell. Maybe in a few ears. 
7) Rivendell AllRounder 1995 
, 
one owner, many adventures. But I bought it at my racing size of 58cm and I 
ride 60-62cm frames now, so its too small. It is my other load carrier with 
26 inch wheels. It has 753 tubing and chameleon (purple and green) paint 
with a top tube ding, 3 Nitto racks (front and rear large racks plus an M12 
that holds an Acorn bag), another Ritchey Logic triple crank, Tektro 720 
brakes. It is a versatile AllRounder with a long quill technomic stem, new 
VO fenders room for 2" tires under those fenders, and rides pretty well on 
the road with Kojak 1.5" slicks. Visiting friends can ride it road or dirt. 
Do I need both 26" and 700c touring bikes? No I do not.
8) Salsa Ala Carte, 26" inch mountain bike, with orange paint, a Pugsley 
100mm hub width fork with a 3" front tire. It should go too but it is quick 
and fast and is currently staying at my wee Mum's home not far from Patrick 
Moore for rides when I am there.

Maybe my N is 8, at least for now. I did give away my loved 1966 Robin Hood 
3 speed and do not miss it, so maybe there is hope for me.

Joe in GJT

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[RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[Philip Kim]

awesome! I always admired his handywork

On Tuesday, April 4, 2017 at 1:41:01 PM UTC-4, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
> On Tuesday, April 4, 2017 at 12:36:14 PM UTC-5, Philip Kim wrote:
>>
>> ooh, i would love to see a picture of the curt goodrich custom!
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 4, 2017 at 1:31:31 PM UTC-4, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>>>
>>> Interesting thread!
>>>
>>> Bikes I think are elegant ,practical and I will ride and are special
>>>
>>> Nothing I have to go into debt for...if I want a bike I'll save for it 
>>> and buy  once other obligations are met. The expectation and parts picking 
>>> are all part of the fun
>>>
>>> I have sold bikes for a reasonable sum that another would ride (87 
>>> Rossin, 85 M500 Cannondale) that I  no longer needed or wanted
>>>
>>> My N bikes
>>>
>>> *Elegant mutts*
>>> 1993 X0-1 fairly close to original spec. 24 years and still going 
>>> strong. When I had my bike accident where I ended up with the L1 crushed 
>>> vertebrae, bike was unscathed except for a scrape on the side of the 
>>> saddle. ...in fact I took my first ride on it since my accident last fall . 
>>> Both bike and rider are just fine, thank the fates
>>>
>>> 1974 PX-10 set up as an SS w moustache bars
>>>
>>> *The queens (not garage queens)*
>>>
>>> 1997 Riv allrounder
>>>
>>> 2001 Curt Goodrich built Riv custom road bike
>>>
>>> 2017 Mark Nobilette Custom
>>>
>>> At this point I don't have an N+ 1well maybe a ladies' Clem
>>>
>>> When I shuffle off this mortal coil , I'll want them out in the world 
>>> where they'll be ridden and loved.  I am not in the least bit  morbid or 
>>>  anything but they are a legacy that I have to consider. I wonder how you 
>>> guys feel about that. Purely a speculative question
>>>
>>> On Monday, April 3, 2017 at 10:24:18 AM UTC-5, Bob K. wrote:

 Hey Folks:

 I know threads somewhat similar to this pop up every now and again, but 
 Ryan's question to Eric in the Rivendell Road SOLD thread made me wonder 
 how folks settle on their stable size. I fall squarely in the minimalist 
 camp, but I'm guessing others here probably don't. So:

 1. How do you settle on what N equals for you? (N+1, I know, I know...)
 2. What bikes do you currently own/have in regular rotation and why do 
 you own them? 

 My stable is currently at one because of a recent sale, but it will 
 (soon) bump back up to two. I settled on two as the acceptable number of 
 bikes for a number of reasons, but mostly because I can't imagine riding 
 enough to justify having any more of them. We also don't have the space 
 for 
 me to store any additional bikes aside from in a somewhat humid basement, 
 and neither my wife nor myself would appreciate more bikes in the corner 
 of 
 the living room as we're not big fans of clutter, especially clutter that 
 doesn't get used very often.

 Current Stable:

 1. 2009 Sam Hillborne (canti): Used mostly for road riding and touring 
 and some occasional single track and forest roads if the ride 
 allows/inspires it.

 2. 2017 Surly Troll: I settled on the new Troll after a lengthy 
 flirtation with the idea of buying a Crust Evasion and other bikes as 
 well. 
 I decided the Troll is better for my needs for a number of reasons: the 
 geometry readily accepts a Jones H-Bar, 2x is easy vs. not doable at all 
 with the Evasion, and my desired 26x3.0 setup doesn't require the need for 
 expensive cranksets. It's also $300 cheaper and I like the maroon better 
 than the also admittedly pretty Evasion color. It will take the place of 
 my 
 erstwhile Krampus as my mountain bike, off-road tourer, long distance 
 tourer (if/when I get to do that!), kid trailer, and stuff hauler. 

 How about you?

 Bob K. in Baltimore



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[RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[Ryan Fleming]

On Tuesday, April 4, 2017 at 12:36:14 PM UTC-5, Philip Kim wrote:
>
> ooh, i would love to see a picture of the curt goodrich custom!
>
> On Tuesday, April 4, 2017 at 1:31:31 PM UTC-4, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>>
>> Interesting thread!
>>
>> Bikes I think are elegant ,practical and I will ride and are special
>>
>> Nothing I have to go into debt for...if I want a bike I'll save for it 
>> and buy  once other obligations are met. The expectation and parts picking 
>> are all part of the fun
>>
>> I have sold bikes for a reasonable sum that another would ride (87 
>> Rossin, 85 M500 Cannondale) that I  no longer needed or wanted
>>
>> My N bikes
>>
>> *Elegant mutts*
>> 1993 X0-1 fairly close to original spec. 24 years and still going strong. 
>> When I had my bike accident where I ended up with the L1 crushed vertebrae, 
>> bike was unscathed except for a scrape on the side of the saddle. ...in 
>> fact I took my first ride on it since my accident last fall . Both bike and 
>> rider are just fine, thank the fates
>>
>> 1974 PX-10 set up as an SS w moustache bars
>>
>> *The queens (not garage queens)*
>>
>> 1997 Riv allrounder
>>
>> 2001 Curt Goodrich built Riv custom road bike
>>
>> 2017 Mark Nobilette Custom
>>
>> At this point I don't have an N+ 1well maybe a ladies' Clem
>>
>> When I shuffle off this mortal coil , I'll want them out in the world 
>> where they'll be ridden and loved.  I am not in the least bit  morbid or 
>>  anything but they are a legacy that I have to consider. I wonder how you 
>> guys feel about that. Purely a speculative question
>>
>> On Monday, April 3, 2017 at 10:24:18 AM UTC-5, Bob K. wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey Folks:
>>>
>>> I know threads somewhat similar to this pop up every now and again, but 
>>> Ryan's question to Eric in the Rivendell Road SOLD thread made me wonder 
>>> how folks settle on their stable size. I fall squarely in the minimalist 
>>> camp, but I'm guessing others here probably don't. So:
>>>
>>> 1. How do you settle on what N equals for you? (N+1, I know, I know...)
>>> 2. What bikes do you currently own/have in regular rotation and why do 
>>> you own them? 
>>>
>>> My stable is currently at one because of a recent sale, but it will 
>>> (soon) bump back up to two. I settled on two as the acceptable number of 
>>> bikes for a number of reasons, but mostly because I can't imagine riding 
>>> enough to justify having any more of them. We also don't have the space for 
>>> me to store any additional bikes aside from in a somewhat humid basement, 
>>> and neither my wife nor myself would appreciate more bikes in the corner of 
>>> the living room as we're not big fans of clutter, especially clutter that 
>>> doesn't get used very often.
>>>
>>> Current Stable:
>>>
>>> 1. 2009 Sam Hillborne (canti): Used mostly for road riding and touring 
>>> and some occasional single track and forest roads if the ride 
>>> allows/inspires it.
>>>
>>> 2. 2017 Surly Troll: I settled on the new Troll after a lengthy 
>>> flirtation with the idea of buying a Crust Evasion and other bikes as well. 
>>> I decided the Troll is better for my needs for a number of reasons: the 
>>> geometry readily accepts a Jones H-Bar, 2x is easy vs. not doable at all 
>>> with the Evasion, and my desired 26x3.0 setup doesn't require the need for 
>>> expensive cranksets. It's also $300 cheaper and I like the maroon better 
>>> than the also admittedly pretty Evasion color. It will take the place of my 
>>> erstwhile Krampus as my mountain bike, off-road tourer, long distance 
>>> tourer (if/when I get to do that!), kid trailer, and stuff hauler. 
>>>
>>> How about you?
>>>
>>> Bob K. in Baltimore
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[Jim Bronson]

Ron,

It looks like your return air (and air handler) are right by the front
door...?

That would be an odd setup.

Maybe that's just a bedroom door and not an outside door?

On Tue, Apr 4, 2017 at 10:59 AM, Ron Mc  wrote:

> Hi Eric,
> The Simplex chainguard is made for a piston FD.
> I figured out how to attach it to a Cyclone FD
> This was just a mock-up, BB not yet installed (waiting on a tap to chase
> the thread)
>
>
> 
>
> I used an precisely measured M-5 standoff in place of the FD band bolt and
> made a Z-bracket using the Simplex parts that lets me put it anywhere I
> need.
>
> The correct length standoff is what positions the FD parallogram in the
> chainguard hump
>
>
>
> 
>
> Still waiting on my custom hubs from Phil.
>
> Can't final position it until I have the drivetrain functioning.  With the
> FD at its outmost travel, cage has to contact inside of chainguard in order
> for the low-Q crankarms to clear the chainguard.
>
>
> 
>
> But I've mocked up everything to know it's going to work.
>
> I now have the BB and crank installed and need Phil to come through with
> my hubs.
>
> Already approved by Phil Engr and paid for.
>
> They're 115mm rear OLD for a 5-sp freewheel with Synergy OC rims to
> minimize wheel dish.
>
> Come on Michael at Phil...
>
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, April 4, 2017 at 10:29:37 AM UTC-5, Eric Norris wrote:
>>
>> Nice! The chainguard works with a derailleur?
>>
>> --Eric N
>> www.CampyOnly.com
>> CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com
>> Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy
>>
>> On Apr 4, 2017, at 7:13 AM, Ron Mc  wrote:
>>
>> I just build up old frames when it strikes my fancy.
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> my way
>>
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[RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[Philip Kim]

ooh, i would love to see a picture of the curt goodrich custom!

On Tuesday, April 4, 2017 at 1:31:31 PM UTC-4, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>
> Interesting thread!
>
> Bikes I think are elegant ,practical and I will ride and are special
>
> Nothing I have to go into debt for...if I want a bike I'll save for it and 
> buy  once other obligations are met. The expectation and parts picking are 
> all part of the fun
>
> I have sold bikes for a reasonable sum that another would ride (87 Rossin, 
> 85 M500 Cannondale) that I  no longer needed or wanted
>
> My N bikes
>
> *Elegant mutts*
> 1993 X0-1 fairly close to original spec. 24 years and still going strong. 
> When I had my bike accident where I ended up with the L1 crushed vertebrae, 
> bike was unscathed except for a scrape on the side of the saddle. ...in 
> fact I took my first ride on it since my accident last fall . Both bike and 
> rider are just fine, thank the fates
>
> 1974 PX-10 set up as an SS w moustache bars
>
> *The queens (not garage queens)*
>
> 1997 Riv allrounder
>
> 2001 Curt Goodrich built Riv custom road bike
>
> 2017 Mark Nobilette Custom
>
> At this point I don't have an N+ 1well maybe a ladies' Clem
>
> When I shuffle off this mortal coil , I'll want them out in the world 
> where they'll be ridden and loved.  I am not in the least bit  morbid or 
>  anything but they are a legacy that I have to consider. I wonder how you 
> guys feel about that. Purely a speculative question
>
> On Monday, April 3, 2017 at 10:24:18 AM UTC-5, Bob K. wrote:
>>
>> Hey Folks:
>>
>> I know threads somewhat similar to this pop up every now and again, but 
>> Ryan's question to Eric in the Rivendell Road SOLD thread made me wonder 
>> how folks settle on their stable size. I fall squarely in the minimalist 
>> camp, but I'm guessing others here probably don't. So:
>>
>> 1. How do you settle on what N equals for you? (N+1, I know, I know...)
>> 2. What bikes do you currently own/have in regular rotation and why do 
>> you own them? 
>>
>> My stable is currently at one because of a recent sale, but it will 
>> (soon) bump back up to two. I settled on two as the acceptable number of 
>> bikes for a number of reasons, but mostly because I can't imagine riding 
>> enough to justify having any more of them. We also don't have the space for 
>> me to store any additional bikes aside from in a somewhat humid basement, 
>> and neither my wife nor myself would appreciate more bikes in the corner of 
>> the living room as we're not big fans of clutter, especially clutter that 
>> doesn't get used very often.
>>
>> Current Stable:
>>
>> 1. 2009 Sam Hillborne (canti): Used mostly for road riding and touring 
>> and some occasional single track and forest roads if the ride 
>> allows/inspires it.
>>
>> 2. 2017 Surly Troll: I settled on the new Troll after a lengthy 
>> flirtation with the idea of buying a Crust Evasion and other bikes as well. 
>> I decided the Troll is better for my needs for a number of reasons: the 
>> geometry readily accepts a Jones H-Bar, 2x is easy vs. not doable at all 
>> with the Evasion, and my desired 26x3.0 setup doesn't require the need for 
>> expensive cranksets. It's also $300 cheaper and I like the maroon better 
>> than the also admittedly pretty Evasion color. It will take the place of my 
>> erstwhile Krampus as my mountain bike, off-road tourer, long distance 
>> tourer (if/when I get to do that!), kid trailer, and stuff hauler. 
>>
>> How about you?
>>
>> Bob K. in Baltimore
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[Ryan Fleming]

Interesting thread!

Bikes I think are elegant ,practical and I will ride and are special

Nothing I have to go into debt for...if I want a bike I'll save for it and 
buy  once other obligations are met. The expectation and parts picking are 
all part of the fun

I have sold bikes for a reasonable sum that another would ride (87 Rossin, 
85 M500 Cannondale) that I  no longer needed or wanted

My N bikes

*Elegant mutts*
1993 X0-1 fairly close to original spec. 24 years and still going strong. 
When I had my bike accident where I ended up with the L1 crushed vertebrae, 
bike was unscathed except for a scrape on the side of the saddle. ...in 
fact I took my first ride on it since my accident last fall . Both bike and 
rider are just fine, thank the fates

1974 PX-10 set up as an SS w moustache bars

*The queens (not garage queens)*

1997 Riv allrounder

2001 Curt Goodrich built Riv custom road bike

2017 Mark Nobilette Custom

At this point I don't have an N+ 1well maybe a ladies' Clem

When I shuffle off this mortal coil , I'll want them out in the world where 
they'll be ridden and loved.  I am not in the least bit  morbid or 
 anything but they are a legacy that I have to consider. I wonder how you 
guys feel about that. Purely a speculative question

On Monday, April 3, 2017 at 10:24:18 AM UTC-5, Bob K. wrote:
>
> Hey Folks:
>
> I know threads somewhat similar to this pop up every now and again, but 
> Ryan's question to Eric in the Rivendell Road SOLD thread made me wonder 
> how folks settle on their stable size. I fall squarely in the minimalist 
> camp, but I'm guessing others here probably don't. So:
>
> 1. How do you settle on what N equals for you? (N+1, I know, I know...)
> 2. What bikes do you currently own/have in regular rotation and why do you 
> own them? 
>
> My stable is currently at one because of a recent sale, but it will (soon) 
> bump back up to two. I settled on two as the acceptable number of bikes for 
> a number of reasons, but mostly because I can't imagine riding enough to 
> justify having any more of them. We also don't have the space for me to 
> store any additional bikes aside from in a somewhat humid basement, and 
> neither my wife nor myself would appreciate more bikes in the corner of the 
> living room as we're not big fans of clutter, especially clutter that 
> doesn't get used very often.
>
> Current Stable:
>
> 1. 2009 Sam Hillborne (canti): Used mostly for road riding and touring and 
> some occasional single track and forest roads if the ride allows/inspires 
> it.
>
> 2. 2017 Surly Troll: I settled on the new Troll after a lengthy flirtation 
> with the idea of buying a Crust Evasion and other bikes as well. I decided 
> the Troll is better for my needs for a number of reasons: the geometry 
> readily accepts a Jones H-Bar, 2x is easy vs. not doable at all with the 
> Evasion, and my desired 26x3.0 setup doesn't require the need for expensive 
> cranksets. It's also $300 cheaper and I like the maroon better than the 
> also admittedly pretty Evasion color. It will take the place of my 
> erstwhile Krampus as my mountain bike, off-road tourer, long distance 
> tourer (if/when I get to do that!), kid trailer, and stuff hauler. 
>
> How about you?
>
> Bob K. in Baltimore
>
>

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[RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[Ron Mc]

Hi Ian, thanks - GB Maes, the stem is a 70mm GB Hiduminium.  
I learned along the way, thinking the single braze on shifter boss would 
fit Huret or Simplex.  No go, it's English only, so I have a Cyclo Super on 
the braze on for rear, and a single band-clamp with Huret for the front.  



I bought this as a $100 bare frame and fork, and knew I could build a 
better bike for less than it would cost to buy back the original parts.  

I already had the Cyclone FD + Simplex chainguard sitting around - had been 
thinking about putting it on my old Raleigh, so I'm putting it on an older 
Raleigh.  


On Tuesday, April 4, 2017 at 11:20:47 AM UTC-5, Ian A wrote:
>
> Another masterpiece - what bars are those Ron? 
>
> IanA. 
>

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[RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[Ian A]

Another masterpiece - what bars are those Ron? 

IanA. 

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[RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[Jim S.]

Jim Bronson:

On the topic of producing too many humans, I justify it with the following 
parenting (not a word until the 1970s) ideology - I just don't think we 
need to take of our children all that well. That is, we need to provide a 
home that's not awful, i.e., a home that could qualify to adopt. But I'm 
firmly convinced that nature, not nurture, determines the outcome. 
Therefore, providing we don't abuse the child, people are what they are at 
the time of conception. If this is the case, then little I do as a parent 
changes the outcome. And if I'm not responsible for changing the outcome 
(once I've provided the DNA), then the hell with it, have as many as we 
can! The pressure for a good outcome is off. The die was cast on conception 
day. 

(As with the number of bikes in the stable, my mother-in-law has in fact 
complained about the number of children.) Would that in-laws could be as 
fungible as bicycles.


On Monday, April 3, 2017 at 10:24:18 AM UTC-5, Bob K. wrote:
>
> Hey Folks:
>
> I know threads somewhat similar to this pop up every now and again, but 
> Ryan's question to Eric in the Rivendell Road SOLD thread made me wonder 
> how folks settle on their stable size. I fall squarely in the minimalist 
> camp, but I'm guessing others here probably don't. So:
>
> 1. How do you settle on what N equals for you? (N+1, I know, I know...)
> 2. What bikes do you currently own/have in regular rotation and why do you 
> own them? 
>
> My stable is currently at one because of a recent sale, but it will (soon) 
> bump back up to two. I settled on two as the acceptable number of bikes for 
> a number of reasons, but mostly because I can't imagine riding enough to 
> justify having any more of them. We also don't have the space for me to 
> store any additional bikes aside from in a somewhat humid basement, and 
> neither my wife nor myself would appreciate more bikes in the corner of the 
> living room as we're not big fans of clutter, especially clutter that 
> doesn't get used very often.
>
> Current Stable:
>
> 1. 2009 Sam Hillborne (canti): Used mostly for road riding and touring and 
> some occasional single track and forest roads if the ride allows/inspires 
> it.
>
> 2. 2017 Surly Troll: I settled on the new Troll after a lengthy flirtation 
> with the idea of buying a Crust Evasion and other bikes as well. I decided 
> the Troll is better for my needs for a number of reasons: the geometry 
> readily accepts a Jones H-Bar, 2x is easy vs. not doable at all with the 
> Evasion, and my desired 26x3.0 setup doesn't require the need for expensive 
> cranksets. It's also $300 cheaper and I like the maroon better than the 
> also admittedly pretty Evasion color. It will take the place of my 
> erstwhile Krampus as my mountain bike, off-road tourer, long distance 
> tourer (if/when I get to do that!), kid trailer, and stuff hauler. 
>
> How about you?
>
> Bob K. in Baltimore
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[Ron Mc]

Hi Eric, 
The Simplex chainguard is made for a piston FD.  
I figured out how to attach it to a Cyclone FD
This was just a mock-up, BB not yet installed (waiting on a tap to chase 
the thread)



I used an precisely measured M-5 standoff in place of the FD band bolt and 
made a Z-bracket using the Simplex parts that lets me put it anywhere I 
need.  

The correct length standoff is what positions the FD parallogram in the 
chainguard hump




Still waiting on my custom hubs from Phil.  

Can't final position it until I have the drivetrain functioning.  With the 
FD at its outmost travel, cage has to contact inside of chainguard in order 
for the low-Q crankarms to clear the chainguard.  



But I've mocked up everything to know it's going to work.  

I now have the BB and crank installed and need Phil to come through with my 
hubs.  

Already approved by Phil Engr and paid for.  

They're 115mm rear OLD for a 5-sp freewheel with Synergy OC rims to 
minimize wheel dish.  

Come on Michael at Phil...




On Tuesday, April 4, 2017 at 10:29:37 AM UTC-5, Eric Norris wrote:
>
> Nice! The chainguard works with a derailleur?
>
> --Eric N
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>
> On Apr 4, 2017, at 7:13 AM, Ron Mc  
> wrote:
>
> I just build up old frames when it strikes my fancy.  
>
>
> 
>
> my way
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Re: [RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[Jim Bronson]

I suppose another person might also ask besides the $70K SUV, "Why so
many kids" but that's neither here nor there.

Mother in law probably never asks THAT question.  ;)

p.s.: I love kids and would like more, so don't take it as a personal
attack or anything, just saying, that some people might consider 5
excessive.  I don't.

On Tue, Apr 4, 2017 at 8:41 AM, Jim S.  wrote:
> This is an interesting question. I have a wife and 5 kids. In our garage
> there are, I dunno, 20 bikes or so. The kids all have 2, and there are a
> couple that are in-between kids. My wife and I each have 4, plus there's a
> Brompton. Hell, I guess there must be more than 20.
>
> With that said, I frequently get questions like this: (from crabby
> mother-in-law and also visitors to our back yard who can see into the
> garage) "How many bikes do you have?" with a tone suggesting that having a
> garage full of bikes is somehow inappropriate for some reason.
>
> In response, I feel a need to understate the number of our bikes.
>
> Upon reflection, I'm not sure why I feel this way. Maybe it's my own
> insecurity.
>
> But there are many other items one might own that no one would question -
> i.e., a $70,000 SUV for instance.
>
>
> On Monday, April 3, 2017 at 10:24:18 AM UTC-5, Bob K. wrote:
>>
>> Hey Folks:
>>
>> I know threads somewhat similar to this pop up every now and again, but
>> Ryan's question to Eric in the Rivendell Road SOLD thread made me wonder how
>> folks settle on their stable size. I fall squarely in the minimalist camp,
>> but I'm guessing others here probably don't. So:
>>
>> 1. How do you settle on what N equals for you? (N+1, I know, I know...)
>> 2. What bikes do you currently own/have in regular rotation and why do you
>> own them?
>>
>> My stable is currently at one because of a recent sale, but it will (soon)
>> bump back up to two. I settled on two as the acceptable number of bikes for
>> a number of reasons, but mostly because I can't imagine riding enough to
>> justify having any more of them. We also don't have the space for me to
>> store any additional bikes aside from in a somewhat humid basement, and
>> neither my wife nor myself would appreciate more bikes in the corner of the
>> living room as we're not big fans of clutter, especially clutter that
>> doesn't get used very often.
>>
>> Current Stable:
>>
>> 1. 2009 Sam Hillborne (canti): Used mostly for road riding and touring and
>> some occasional single track and forest roads if the ride allows/inspires
>> it.
>>
>> 2. 2017 Surly Troll: I settled on the new Troll after a lengthy flirtation
>> with the idea of buying a Crust Evasion and other bikes as well. I decided
>> the Troll is better for my needs for a number of reasons: the geometry
>> readily accepts a Jones H-Bar, 2x is easy vs. not doable at all with the
>> Evasion, and my desired 26x3.0 setup doesn't require the need for expensive
>> cranksets. It's also $300 cheaper and I like the maroon better than the also
>> admittedly pretty Evasion color. It will take the place of my erstwhile
>> Krampus as my mountain bike, off-road tourer, long distance tourer (if/when
>> I get to do that!), kid trailer, and stuff hauler.
>>
>> How about you?
>>
>> Bob K. in Baltimore
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Re: [RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[Eric Norris]

Nice! The chainguard works with a derailleur?

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> On Apr 4, 2017, at 7:13 AM, Ron Mc  wrote:
> 
> I just build up old frames when it strikes my fancy.  
> 
> 
> my way
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[RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

['Beaverton Bob' via RBW Owners Bunch]

A colleague of mine introduced me to the formula "d-1", d being the number 
of bikes that would lead to a divorce.  So, the right number of bikes is 
one less than would cause a divorce, but one more than you currently have. 
 Hopefully, a number between n+1 and d-1!

Ride Safely,
Bob from Beaverton

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[RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[franklyn]

Such an interesting exercise. For me, it's really a matter of convenient 
storage and mental space, and how my SO's tolerance has changed throughout 
the years.

When I first got into buying and tinkering with bikes, I owned a 
group-living home and there isn't that much bike storage for 6 people. So 
my wife and I had two bikes each--a nice bike and a workhorse since 
bicycles were our primary means of transportation. 

Even after we moved to our current property which has a whole garage for 
storing bike parts, tools, and bikes, we held that number at five combined 
for the two of us for several years, with I getting a third bike to ride 
around my office. I have gone through many bikes, though I always sold one 
before buying another. 

Then my wife got three more bikes (all vintage Treks) for herself (I 
obviously enabled) within a 12-month period to bring her personal total to 
3, which allows me to feel like I can follow suit. So now our total is 10. 

My wife's preference in riding and bikes seems to be pretty 
narrow--pavement-centric, steel, drop bar, vintage Treks. She has three 
go-fast road bikes: 1) 85' hot-pink Trek 770 
, 2) Ebisu 
Road , and 
a 3) 84' Trek 500 
. She also 
has a 4) 650b'ed 1982 Trek 720 
 touring 
bike for our overnight jaunts and camping trips. A 5) 89' Trek 850 
, also 
650b'ed, serves as her daily commute and errand bike nowadays. The touring 
bike and the commuter has dynamo light, fenders, and racks, the other three 
are bare-bone road bikes.

I horse-traded through many bikes, and through that process really have 
discovered my riding preference, and even though all my bikes are fairly 
versatile, they all share certain traits--steel, 650b wheels, low-trail 
front end, racks, fenders, dynamo lighting, relatively thin-tubes, fit at 
least 42mm tires. 

   1. I have a custom Ebisu All-Purpose 
    that I 
   got married on (we had a bike wedding) that still serves as my brevet bike. 
   2. The longest-serving member of the group is a 08' 2nd-gen Kogswell P/R 
    with a 
   porteur rack and bag; it's my workhorse and now has close to 13000 miles. 
   3. 7 years ago I 650b-converted a specialized Sequoia 
    from 
   83' or 84'. I later repainted it vintage pink and turned it into my touring 
   bike. Friend and fellow lister JimG made a custom rack for it. It also has 
   a Kogswell Konversion fork which makes it low-trail
   4. I bought a Rawland rSogn 
    from 
   Bill Lindsay 2-3 years back, and with tires like Switchback Hills and 
   Thunder Burts have really rediscovered the joy of dirt/gravel riding.
   5. This leads me to my newest, not-yet-here bike, which comes to me via 
   a friend. It's a Fitz custom 
    too big for him 
   that was built around the 48mm tire size with fenders. I can't wait to 
   build it up this Summer. 

I suppose I don't have a true mountain bike, though all of my bikes are 
capable of doing mixed-terrain with the rSogn and the Fitz having wider 
range of suitability. If I were to buy a mountain bike for more rocky/muddy 
stuff, it'd probably be a steel Jones. I have yet able to cross the mental 
line on: disc brakes, suspension, thru-axle, fat-bikes, carbon forks. A lot 
of these lines have to do with my unfamiliarity with repairing and 
maintaining these newer parts, parts interchangeability among all our bikes 
(which relates to bike parts inventory hording/optimization)

Franklyn

On Monday, April 3, 2017 at 8:24:18 AM UTC-7, Bob K. wrote:
>
> Hey Folks:
>
> I know threads somewhat similar to this pop up every now and again, but 
> Ryan's question to Eric in the Rivendell Road SOLD thread made me wonder 
> how folks settle on their stable size. I fall squarely in the minimalist 
> camp, but I'm guessing others here probably don't. So:
>
> 1. How do you settle on what N equals for you? (N+1, I know, I know...)
> 2. What bikes do you currently own/have in regular rotation and why do you 
> own them? 
>
> My stable is currently at one because of a recent sale, but it will (soon) 
> bump back up to two. I settled on two as the acceptable number of bikes for 
> a number of reasons, but mostly because I can't imagine riding enough to 
> justify having any more of them. We also don't have the space for me to 
> store any additional bikes aside from in a somewhat humid basement, and 
> neither my wife nor 

[RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[Ron Mc]

I just build up old frames when it strikes my fancy.  



my way

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[RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[Edwin W]

Jim,

That is just like my situation! Here in Nashville there are so many garages 
that eclipse my bike collection in value with just one car and nobody 
blinks an eye, but mothers/mothers in law types seem to be interested in 
how many bikes I have!
I have a bunch of kids bikes and a few in the shed which is not where I am 
living now and so never ride, like an old Schwinn tandem, a fix-ified 
Raleigh sprite, an old GT Avalanche MTB on loan to a friend, and in our 
basement but rarely used is a Dahon Boardwalk single speed guest bike. 
All I am really using right now is:

1. appaloosa - ride everywhere, do everything
2. Workcycles Fr8 - go anywhere around town with 1-3 kids.

But I fantasize about a "gofast"(er than the Appaloosa) like an old UJB 
with good clearance, or a fancier low trail randonneur bike. I almost never 
make it to single track biking, but I also fantasize about having a bike to 
do that with, nothing out of this world, but like a 1x10 650b bike with 3" 
tires.

After having so many kids bikes in 12", 16", 20", 24", 26" and 700 and 
trying them to make them either like my appaloosa or like the racy bikes 
they want, I have concluded that going forward the most practical thing for 
middle schoolers and up is a "monster cross" type cross bike that can take 
45mm tires and drop bars and go anywhere. But that might be another thread: 
"how to keep your kids to one bike per kid"!

Edwin

On Tuesday, April 4, 2017 at 8:41:20 AM UTC-5, Jim S. wrote:
>
> This is an interesting question. I have a wife and 5 kids. In our garage 
> there are, I dunno, 20 bikes or so. The kids all have 2, and there are a 
> couple that are in-between kids. My wife and I each have 4, plus there's a 
> Brompton. Hell, I guess there must be more than 20.
>
> With that said, I frequently get questions like this: (from crabby 
> mother-in-law and also visitors to our back yard who can see into the 
> garage) "How many bikes do you have?" with a tone suggesting that having a 
> garage full of bikes is somehow inappropriate for some reason. 
>
> In response, I feel a need to understate the number of our bikes. 
>
> Upon reflection, I'm not sure why I feel this way. Maybe it's my own 
> insecurity.
>
> But there are many other items one might own that no one would question - 
> i.e., a $70,000 SUV for instance. 
>
>
> On Monday, April 3, 2017 at 10:24:18 AM UTC-5, Bob K. wrote:
>>
>> Hey Folks:
>>
>> I know threads somewhat similar to this pop up every now and again, but 
>> Ryan's question to Eric in the Rivendell Road SOLD thread made me wonder 
>> how folks settle on their stable size. I fall squarely in the minimalist 
>> camp, but I'm guessing others here probably don't. So:
>>
>> 1. How do you settle on what N equals for you? (N+1, I know, I know...)
>> 2. What bikes do you currently own/have in regular rotation and why do 
>> you own them? 
>>
>> My stable is currently at one because of a recent sale, but it will 
>> (soon) bump back up to two. I settled on two as the acceptable number of 
>> bikes for a number of reasons, but mostly because I can't imagine riding 
>> enough to justify having any more of them. We also don't have the space for 
>> me to store any additional bikes aside from in a somewhat humid basement, 
>> and neither my wife nor myself would appreciate more bikes in the corner of 
>> the living room as we're not big fans of clutter, especially clutter that 
>> doesn't get used very often.
>>
>> Current Stable:
>>
>> 1. 2009 Sam Hillborne (canti): Used mostly for road riding and touring 
>> and some occasional single track and forest roads if the ride 
>> allows/inspires it.
>>
>> 2. 2017 Surly Troll: I settled on the new Troll after a lengthy 
>> flirtation with the idea of buying a Crust Evasion and other bikes as well. 
>> I decided the Troll is better for my needs for a number of reasons: the 
>> geometry readily accepts a Jones H-Bar, 2x is easy vs. not doable at all 
>> with the Evasion, and my desired 26x3.0 setup doesn't require the need for 
>> expensive cranksets. It's also $300 cheaper and I like the maroon better 
>> than the also admittedly pretty Evasion color. It will take the place of my 
>> erstwhile Krampus as my mountain bike, off-road tourer, long distance 
>> tourer (if/when I get to do that!), kid trailer, and stuff hauler. 
>>
>> How about you?
>>
>> Bob K. in Baltimore
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[Joe Gates]

>
> Right now for me N = 6.  With a garage and a full basement for storage, 
> there is room for more, but at the time i cannot think of what niche i need 
> to fill and feel i have an embarrassment of riches in the bikes i already 
> own.  I think the near future might see the number drop to 5.  


The current stable for me includes:
Lynskey R230 - my go fast bike.  Described by Lynskey as being good for all 
day riding it actually has some Rivish qualities with a sloping top tube to 
allow the handlebars to be up higher and a little more tire clearance than 
the Trek below.  
1981.5 Trek 759 - My first classic lugged made in the USA Trek.  I picked 
this up on eBay in 2011 because i have always had a thing for early Trek 
bikes (perhaps fueled by too much time spent on (www.vintage-treks.com). 
 Since this is classified as a racing frame it overlaps with the Lynskey 
and was not seeing much use.  When i finally discovered biking in the 
mountains i built this bike up with a compact crankset and use it for those 
hill climbing rides.
1985 Trek 620 - have always loved the Trek 720 and 620 so when this one 
popped up on eBay i grabbed it. Bonus that s previous owner had changed out 
most of the original components so i did not have to suffer the guilt of 
updating it to my own preferences.  This was to become my wide tire 
accepting, comfortable to ride, do everything bike until i acquired...
1996 Rivendell All Rounder - I had been searching for an Atlantis, but when 
i found this on Craigslist it appeared to be a better fit for my riding 
style.  I would probably not use the Atlantis to its full potential and 
what i really wanted was to have a roadish bike that accepted wider tires 
and racks for comfortable all day riding with the ability to go off road if 
the opportunity arose.  I had it repainted and retro fit with couplers to 
become my travel bike.  Since getting this built up, it is the bike i have 
ridden the most and probably the one i would keep if (heaven forbid) i 
could only have one.  
1995 GT Tequesta - I built this up as a poor man's Rivendell long before 
acquiring a Rivendell of my own.  I told myself i would get rid of this 
once i acquired the All Rounder, but i have not been able to bring myself 
to part with it.  It is too fun to ride (though it has not seen much use in 
the past year).  This is likely the one that will go first as my aim in 
filling out the stable has been to try to buy American made when possible 
which makes this the odd road bike out.  However, it might be repurposed as 
a mountain bike to replace the one Aluminum frame in the stable...
Old Supergo branded aluminum framed mountain bike - saw a lot of action in 
the 1990s, but i do not mountain bike much these days.  With young children 
i have a harder time loading the bike in the car to drive to the trails 
than simply taking another bike out and riding right from home.  Perhaps 
one day it will see more use again.  

Joe 

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[RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[Jim S.]

This is an interesting question. I have a wife and 5 kids. In our garage 
there are, I dunno, 20 bikes or so. The kids all have 2, and there are a 
couple that are in-between kids. My wife and I each have 4, plus there's a 
Brompton. Hell, I guess there must be more than 20.

With that said, I frequently get questions like this: (from crabby 
mother-in-law and also visitors to our back yard who can see into the 
garage) "How many bikes do you have?" with a tone suggesting that having a 
garage full of bikes is somehow inappropriate for some reason. 

In response, I feel a need to understate the number of our bikes. 

Upon reflection, I'm not sure why I feel this way. Maybe it's my own 
insecurity.

But there are many other items one might own that no one would question - 
i.e., a $70,000 SUV for instance. 


On Monday, April 3, 2017 at 10:24:18 AM UTC-5, Bob K. wrote:
>
> Hey Folks:
>
> I know threads somewhat similar to this pop up every now and again, but 
> Ryan's question to Eric in the Rivendell Road SOLD thread made me wonder 
> how folks settle on their stable size. I fall squarely in the minimalist 
> camp, but I'm guessing others here probably don't. So:
>
> 1. How do you settle on what N equals for you? (N+1, I know, I know...)
> 2. What bikes do you currently own/have in regular rotation and why do you 
> own them? 
>
> My stable is currently at one because of a recent sale, but it will (soon) 
> bump back up to two. I settled on two as the acceptable number of bikes for 
> a number of reasons, but mostly because I can't imagine riding enough to 
> justify having any more of them. We also don't have the space for me to 
> store any additional bikes aside from in a somewhat humid basement, and 
> neither my wife nor myself would appreciate more bikes in the corner of the 
> living room as we're not big fans of clutter, especially clutter that 
> doesn't get used very often.
>
> Current Stable:
>
> 1. 2009 Sam Hillborne (canti): Used mostly for road riding and touring and 
> some occasional single track and forest roads if the ride allows/inspires 
> it.
>
> 2. 2017 Surly Troll: I settled on the new Troll after a lengthy flirtation 
> with the idea of buying a Crust Evasion and other bikes as well. I decided 
> the Troll is better for my needs for a number of reasons: the geometry 
> readily accepts a Jones H-Bar, 2x is easy vs. not doable at all with the 
> Evasion, and my desired 26x3.0 setup doesn't require the need for expensive 
> cranksets. It's also $300 cheaper and I like the maroon better than the 
> also admittedly pretty Evasion color. It will take the place of my 
> erstwhile Krampus as my mountain bike, off-road tourer, long distance 
> tourer (if/when I get to do that!), kid trailer, and stuff hauler. 
>
> How about you?
>
> Bob K. in Baltimore
>
>

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