Re: [RBW] Re: New 2019 frame geometry charts up on RBW's website

[Garth]

On Tuesday, November 19, 2019 at 6:25:00 PM UTC-5, Keith Weaver wrote:
> I'm confused by the geometry table. I can't find PBH on the table, and 
> standover height is blank for the Atlantis and several others. Rivendell 
> bases frame size on PBH, why isn't it listed on this table, or am I missing 
> something ?

The size chart is there, where it's been. On the geo page, the live links of 
the new and old charts are in BLUE :


Sizing and Geometry Charts - November 2019

Our newly update 2019 PBH (Pubic Bone Height) sizing chart. For older models, 
including MUSA Atlantis' and Homers, please reference the 2017 sizing table 
here.

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Re: [RBW] Re: New 2019 frame geometry charts up on RBW's website

[Bill Lindsay]

Keith

No, you aren't missing anything.  Rivendell clearly just hasn't updated it 
yet on the website.  The old one is still up:  sizing chart 
.
  
They just haven't put up a new one yet.  If you dug the 50 and you felt you 
could stand over the 50 then definitely get a 50.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Tuesday, November 19, 2019 at 4:22:36 PM UTC-8, Keith Weaver wrote:
>
> I'm right between 78 and 79. If I bought a new Riv, it would probably be 
> an Atlantis. I test rode a 50 cm this summer, it felt great. They said 
> they'd actually recommend a 47, for standover clearance, but the 50 felt 
> comfortable for me.
>
> If anyone has an Atlantis frame in one of those sizes, or a corresponding 
> earlier version, I could be tempted...
>
> But, I am still confused why I can't find PBH on that table. I have to be 
> missing something, right?
>
> On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 4:07 PM Bill Lindsay  > wrote:
>
>> Keith
>>
>> What's your PBH and which bike are you interested in?  I'll recommend a 
>> size for you :)
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 19, 2019 at 3:25:00 PM UTC-8, Keith Weaver wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm confused by the geometry table. I can't find PBH on the table, and 
>>> standover height is blank for the Atlantis and several others. Rivendell 
>>> bases frame size on PBH, why isn't it listed on this table, or am I missing 
>>> something crucial?
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 12:00 PM Jason Fuller  wrote:
>>>
 I understand Grant's apprehension with posting geometry since Rivs fit 
 a bit differently than most bikes so the numbers can be misleading - but 
 reach and stack, along with standover, are key elements to determining 
 fit, 
 and I'm a firm believer in a proper fit being the most important element 
 of 
 getting a bike.  The other numbers... they could be at a "for reference 
 only, look at your own risk" status to me 

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Re: [RBW] Re: New 2019 frame geometry charts up on RBW's website

[Keith Weaver]

I'm right between 78 and 79. If I bought a new Riv, it would probably be an
Atlantis. I test rode a 50 cm this summer, it felt great. They said they'd
actually recommend a 47, for standover clearance, but the 50 felt
comfortable for me.

If anyone has an Atlantis frame in one of those sizes, or a corresponding
earlier version, I could be tempted...

But, I am still confused why I can't find PBH on that table. I have to be
missing something, right?

On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 4:07 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> Keith
>
> What's your PBH and which bike are you interested in?  I'll recommend a
> size for you :)
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Tuesday, November 19, 2019 at 3:25:00 PM UTC-8, Keith Weaver wrote:
>>
>> I'm confused by the geometry table. I can't find PBH on the table, and
>> standover height is blank for the Atlantis and several others. Rivendell
>> bases frame size on PBH, why isn't it listed on this table, or am I missing
>> something crucial?
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 12:00 PM Jason Fuller  wrote:
>>
>>> I understand Grant's apprehension with posting geometry since Rivs fit a
>>> bit differently than most bikes so the numbers can be misleading - but
>>> reach and stack, along with standover, are key elements to determining fit,
>>> and I'm a firm believer in a proper fit being the most important element of
>>> getting a bike.  The other numbers... they could be at a "for reference
>>> only, look at your own risk" status to me
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: New 2019 frame geometry charts up on RBW's website

[Bill Lindsay]

Keith

What's your PBH and which bike are you interested in?  I'll recommend a 
size for you :)

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Tuesday, November 19, 2019 at 3:25:00 PM UTC-8, Keith Weaver wrote:
>
> I'm confused by the geometry table. I can't find PBH on the table, and 
> standover height is blank for the Atlantis and several others. Rivendell 
> bases frame size on PBH, why isn't it listed on this table, or am I missing 
> something crucial?
>
> On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 12:00 PM Jason Fuller  > wrote:
>
>> I understand Grant's apprehension with posting geometry since Rivs fit a 
>> bit differently than most bikes so the numbers can be misleading - but 
>> reach and stack, along with standover, are key elements to determining fit, 
>> and I'm a firm believer in a proper fit being the most important element of 
>> getting a bike.  The other numbers... they could be at a "for reference 
>> only, look at your own risk" status to me 
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: New 2019 frame geometry charts up on RBW's website

[Keith Weaver]

I'm confused by the geometry table. I can't find PBH on the table, and
standover height is blank for the Atlantis and several others. Rivendell
bases frame size on PBH, why isn't it listed on this table, or am I missing
something crucial?

On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 12:00 PM Jason Fuller  wrote:

> I understand Grant's apprehension with posting geometry since Rivs fit a
> bit differently than most bikes so the numbers can be misleading - but
> reach and stack, along with standover, are key elements to determining fit,
> and I'm a firm believer in a proper fit being the most important element of
> getting a bike.  The other numbers... they could be at a "for reference
> only, look at your own risk" status to me
>
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[RBW] Re: New 2019 frame geometry charts up on RBW's website

[Jason Fuller]

I understand Grant's apprehension with posting geometry since Rivs fit a 
bit differently than most bikes so the numbers can be misleading - but 
reach and stack, along with standover, are key elements to determining fit, 
and I'm a firm believer in a proper fit being the most important element of 
getting a bike.  The other numbers... they could be at a "for reference 
only, look at your own risk" status to me 

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[RBW] Re: New 2019 frame geometry charts up on RBW's website

[tc]

Good eye.  Unfortunately the current Atlantis page itself still has a snip 
of the old geometry, which does not match the new numbers on the updated 
general geometries page.

Tom

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[RBW] Re: New 2019 frame geometry charts up on RBW's website

[Chris L]

I look forward to seeing your new Atlantis!

 



On Tuesday, November 19, 2019 at 9:53:36 AM UTC-6, Steve Cole wrote:
>
> Chris,
>
> I too was interested in the new MIT Atlantis, especially the 55 cm.  While 
> I originally thought the 59 cm would be the appropriate size (I love my 59 
> cm AHH), the change in geometry for the MIT Atlantis has led me to conclude 
> that the 55 cm is the better fit.  In addition, I am more interested in a 
> 700c than the 650b.  That said, I inquired about the geometry of the 55 cm 
> MIT Atlantis with Riv and got this information in response:
>
> top tube slope: 6 degrees
>
> rear spacing; 135mm
>
> seat tube angle: 72 degrees
>
> head tube angle: 70 degree
>
> effective top tube: 61cm
>
> chainstay; 53.5cm
>
> max tire: 2.25"
>
> single top tube
>
>
> After looking at these specs, they seemed a little inconsistent with the 
> other, original MIT Atlantis specs and asked about this.  Grant wrote me to 
> say: "We change, refine, improve as we go. I don't like to show 
> geometries...for this reason. :)".
>
>
> I have a 55 cm on order that will be built up soon after it arrives.  I'll 
> post about it when I get it.
>
>
> Steve Cole
>
> Arlington, VA
>
> On Tuesday, November 19, 2019 at 8:53:11 AM UTC-5, Chris L wrote:
>>
>> I was just looking at the Gus geometry charts and noticed all of the 
>> bikes are updated with 2019 charts.  The biggest changes I noticed were in 
>> the bikes I might be interested in purchasing, the Atlantis and the 
>> Appaloosa, and the sizes have changed on both.  I would have ridden a 56 
>> Atlantis and a 55 Appaloosa and now I'm guessing I would ride a 55 Atlantis 
>> and a 54 Appaloosa, although no S.O. heights are listed on those two.  
>>
>> The 55cm Atlantis is now a 700c bike with a much longer top-tube and 
>> slacker head angle/longer rake.  Sounds interesting and I can't wait to see 
>> one.
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: New 2019 frame geometry charts up on RBW's website

[Bob Lovejoy]

And the potential future Appaloosa sizing would seem to be pretty different 
than the previous version, at least at first glance, most especially with 
relative top tube length.  I understand "just ride" but it seems harder to 
me than it should to keep up with the changes, especially over the years. 
 Studying the correct charts and making calls to Rivendell both seem well 
advised.  

Bob Lovejoy
Cedar Rapids, IA 

On Tuesday, November 19, 2019 at 9:39:26 AM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Atlantis preorder is available also. Maybe there will be another run of 
> Appaloosa coming. 
>
> Bill Lindsay 
> El Cerrito Ca
>

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[RBW] Re: New 2019 frame geometry charts up on RBW's website

[Steve Cole]

Chris,

I too was interested in the new MIT Atlantis, especially the 55 cm.  While 
I originally thought the 59 cm would be the appropriate size (I love my 59 
cm AHH), the change in geometry for the MIT Atlantis has led me to conclude 
that the 55 cm is the better fit.  In addition, I am more interested in a 
700c than the 650b.  That said, I inquired about the geometry of the 55 cm 
MIT Atlantis with Riv and got this information in response:

top tube slope: 6 degrees

rear spacing; 135mm

seat tube angle: 72 degrees

head tube angle: 70 degree

effective top tube: 61cm

chainstay; 53.5cm

max tire: 2.25"

single top tube


After looking at these specs, they seemed a little inconsistent with the 
other, original MIT Atlantis specs and asked about this.  Grant wrote me to 
say: "We change, refine, improve as we go. I don't like to show 
geometries...for this reason. :)".


I have a 55 cm on order that will be built up soon after it arrives.  I'll 
post about it when I get it.


Steve Cole

Arlington, VA

On Tuesday, November 19, 2019 at 8:53:11 AM UTC-5, Chris L wrote:
>
> I was just looking at the Gus geometry charts and noticed all of the bikes 
> are updated with 2019 charts.  The biggest changes I noticed were in the 
> bikes I might be interested in purchasing, the Atlantis and the Appaloosa, 
> and the sizes have changed on both.  I would have ridden a 56 Atlantis and 
> a 55 Appaloosa and now I'm guessing I would ride a 55 Atlantis and a 54 
> Appaloosa, although no S.O. heights are listed on those two.  
>
> The 55cm Atlantis is now a 700c bike with a much longer top-tube and 
> slacker head angle/longer rake.  Sounds interesting and I can't wait to see 
> one.
>

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