[RBW] Re: New purple custom mixte - not mine but nice Minnesota Viking purple

[Ryan Fleming]

OK...I'm convinced! Looks like my mixte will probably have the long 
stays...I'm assuming it will...but it's going to be a new experience and 
probably a very pleasant one!
On Wednesday, November 9, 2016 at 11:09:11 AM UTC-6, Bob K. wrote:
>
> I've said it on this list before, but let me reiterate. I am a proud Sam 
> owner. I love it. It's so smooth and comfortable and surprisingly nimble 
> given it's relatively stout nature. It's versatility and 
> jack-of-all-trades-ness has it firmly entrenched as one of the most Riv-ish 
> Rivs, in my opinion. It's a wonderful bike.
>
> Meandering to the point: the only bike that I've ever ridden that knocked 
> my Sam off its pedestal was a Cheviot with its lonng stays. It's hard 
> to explain, and perhaps folks use this descriptor too often, but it almost 
> felt like the Cheviot screamed, "Come on! Go faster!" I found myself in the 
> middle of the road making graceful, unnecessarily swooping turns, laughing 
> and pedaling ever-harder. As bill said, it felt like my first bike. A month 
> or so later, a Cheviot in my size popped on on CL in Boston and I almost 
> had my buddy scoop it up for me, which would've in turn forced me to sell 
> my beloved Sam. It was that fun to ride.
>
> In other words, Eric, you should ride one! It might not turn out to be 
> your style, but it'd be a great experience regardless!
>
> Bob K. in Baltimore
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[RBW] Re: New purple custom mixte - not mine but nice Minnesota Viking purple

[Bob K.]

I've said it on this list before, but let me reiterate. I am a proud Sam 
owner. I love it. It's so smooth and comfortable and surprisingly nimble 
given it's relatively stout nature. It's versatility and 
jack-of-all-trades-ness has it firmly entrenched as one of the most Riv-ish 
Rivs, in my opinion. It's a wonderful bike.

Meandering to the point: the only bike that I've ever ridden that knocked 
my Sam off its pedestal was a Cheviot with its lonng stays. It's hard 
to explain, and perhaps folks use this descriptor too often, but it almost 
felt like the Cheviot screamed, "Come on! Go faster!" I found myself in the 
middle of the road making graceful, unnecessarily swooping turns, laughing 
and pedaling ever-harder. As bill said, it felt like my first bike. A month 
or so later, a Cheviot in my size popped on on CL in Boston and I almost 
had my buddy scoop it up for me, which would've in turn forced me to sell 
my beloved Sam. It was that fun to ride.

In other words, Eric, you should ride one! It might not turn out to be your 
style, but it'd be a great experience regardless!

Bob K. in Baltimore

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[RBW] Re: New purple custom mixte - not mine but nice Minnesota Viking purple

[Garth]

  
Tough to criticize the long stays Eric unless you've ridden such a 
bike.  As for the "look" of it, I can tell you how much time I spend just 
"looking" at my bike as an object, maybe put it up on the wall next to a 
flower vase, maybe hung on the wall with my trophy fish and bear  . 
hmmm  that'd be zero minutes !  Ahahaahahahahahaha !  

   Bike design is so often copy-cat , then you think a bike is "supposed" 
to look that way, when it's not that way at all. Or "this look" means "it 
rides this certain way". Blah blah blah, meaningless !  Popularity and 
consensus means nothing to me, I would have liked a very long stay bike 
back around 2000 actually. Not every bike of mine, but one bike. It's like 
that with clothes too. I don't give a hoot what anyone thinks of the 
clothes I wear, because I actually WEAR them and don't adore them as 
"trophies of hipness" !  I wear them because I want to feel as if I wasn't 
wearing anything, meaning I don't notice them. All those tight arsed design 
trends that are supposed to look "hip" feel like wearing straight jackets 
for your legs.  "Hip" if anything is just being yourself , duh ! 

   So same with bike, I want a bike that rides like I'm not even 
"efforting" at all, the bike just kinda goes away and you're just being.  
How that "looks" is not it's purpose, how it rides, is . 

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[RBW] Re: New purple custom mixte - not mine but nice Minnesota Viking purple

[Eric]

Bill, firstly I saw your mention about Jitensha Studio on the IBob list. 
Totally spot on! I've visited numerous times over the past 15 years...and 
it's never been open!

But also, my mention about the stays & general beach cruiser design is not 
meant to conflate the "unracer" and the "
stern bike-face" people.

Instead I think such builds such as this:

http://cdn3.volusion.com/ctxtv.wmppt/v/vspfiles/photos/staff3-2.jpg?1474043677

...including the long stays and naming of bikes such as "Mike Jones III 
Jr." or whatever is that the brand is moving away from bikes that I fell in 
love with.

To put it another way, these bikes are not my "rod", baby!

*"When Grant Petersen was 19, he ordered a custom bamboo fly rod made by 
Doug Merrick of the Winston Rod Company . “I 
wanted red winding on the guides — ‘Like a Leonard 
 rod,’ I said — and a cork grip shaped like a 
Payne  rod. They were two other fancy 
rods,” explains Peterson. Merrick refused. “I won’t do it,” he told 
Petersen. “It wouldn’t be my rod, then.” *

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[RBW] Re: New purple custom mixte - not mine but nice Minnesota Viking purple

[Joe Bernard]

I love the long stays on my Appaloosa. I couldn't tell ya how they affect the 
ride - it rides great, like every Riv I've owned - but the stretched look gives 
it a chopper vibe for me. I'd love to put a rod-operated "suicide shifter" 
front detailer on it ;-)

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[RBW] Re: New purple custom mixte - not mine but nice Minnesota Viking purple

[Ryan Fleming]

That's a nice way to put it...now that you put it that way, Bill...whatever 
I get I'm sure I'll love it. I imagine those stays will make the ride 
luxurious.

On Monday, November 7, 2016 at 12:56:04 PM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Eric summarized:  "The long stays scream "beach cruiser" to me. "
>
> I agree!  That bike looks like it should be ridden joyfully by somebody 
> who wants to smile.  Somebody who wants to feel the way they felt on their 
> very first bike.  That's a joyful looking bike.  
>
> It neither surprises nor bothers me that people who want to have more of a 
> stern bike-face, and want to eke out 'measurable benefits' from their 
> cycling experience, might have issues understanding an expensive bike that 
> looks like a beach cruiser.  
>
> Either way, I hope everyone gets what they are after out of their bicycles
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Monday, November 7, 2016 at 10:34:46 AM UTC-8, Eric wrote:
>>
>> For me, aesthetically the long chainstays don't work. If there's no 
>> measurable benefit them then I don't get it.
>>
>> My former Atlantis looked right. My girl's Betty Foy looks spot on.
>>
>> The long stays scream "beach cruiser" to me. 
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: New purple custom mixte - not mine but nice Minnesota Viking purple

[Ryan Fleming]

I'm kinda hoping mine aren't excessively long...like I get that the mixte 
will ride differently but...we'll see what we get

On Monday, November 7, 2016 at 12:34:46 PM UTC-6, Eric wrote:
>
> For me, aesthetically the long chainstays don't work. If there's no 
> measurable benefit them then I don't get it.
>
> My former Atlantis looked right. My girl's Betty Foy looks spot on.
>
> The long stays scream "beach cruiser" to me. 
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: New purple custom mixte - not mine but nice Minnesota Viking purple

[Bill Lindsay]

Eric summarized:  "The long stays scream "beach cruiser" to me. "

I agree!  That bike looks like it should be ridden joyfully by somebody who 
wants to smile.  Somebody who wants to feel the way they felt on their very 
first bike.  That's a joyful looking bike.  

It neither surprises nor bothers me that people who want to have more of a 
stern bike-face, and want to eke out 'measurable benefits' from their 
cycling experience, might have issues understanding an expensive bike that 
looks like a beach cruiser.  

Either way, I hope everyone gets what they are after out of their bicycles

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Monday, November 7, 2016 at 10:34:46 AM UTC-8, Eric wrote:
>
> For me, aesthetically the long chainstays don't work. If there's no 
> measurable benefit them then I don't get it.
>
> My former Atlantis looked right. My girl's Betty Foy looks spot on.
>
> The long stays scream "beach cruiser" to me. 
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: New purple custom mixte - not mine but nice Minnesota Viking purple

[Eric]

For me, aesthetically the long chainstays don't work. If there's no 
measurable benefit them then I don't get it.

My former Atlantis looked right. My girl's Betty Foy looks spot on.

The long stays scream "beach cruiser" to me. 


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[RBW] Re: New purple custom mixte - not mine but nice Minnesota Viking purple

[Bill Lindsay]

One more thing you can't do as easily on a long chainstay bike:  pop 
wheelies.  Those of you who want a mixte cruiser bike for frequent popping 
wheelies should buy one with short chainstays.   

On Wednesday, November 2, 2016 at 12:06:19 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Haha.  Maybe that's what he meant.  On a bosco bike like that, what would 
> shorter chainstays allow you to do that you can't do with long chainstays? 
>  Fitting it on a bus bike rack is the only thing I can think of.  Maybe if 
> you live in a 4th floor apartment and need to snake your bike up stairs.  
>
> On Wednesday, November 2, 2016 at 11:41:20 AM UTC-7, iamkeith wrote:
>>
>> I think Eric asked what's up, as in "why so damn long?"  
>
>

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[RBW] Re: New purple custom mixte - not mine but nice Minnesota Viking purple

[Bill Lindsay]

Haha.  Maybe that's what he meant.  On a bosco bike like that, what would 
shorter chainstays allow you to do that you can't do with long chainstays? 
 Fitting it on a bus bike rack is the only thing I can think of.  Maybe if 
you live in a 4th floor apartment and need to snake your bike up stairs.  

On Wednesday, November 2, 2016 at 11:41:20 AM UTC-7, iamkeith wrote:
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> I think Eric asked what's up, as in "why so damn long?"  

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[RBW] Re: New purple custom mixte - not mine but nice Minnesota Viking purple

[Ryan Fleming]

It is nice but I prefer my colour choice...maybe mine is on its way and 
maybe they'll post pictures and  maybe it's gonna have those lng 
chainstays

On Wednesday, November 2, 2016 at 12:58:24 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> The Vikings should not have switched to those matte-purple helmets. 
>  Glossy purple metallic is swank!
>
> On Wednesday, November 2, 2016 at 9:09:17 AM UTC-7, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>>
>> Had me going there for a bit; see latest BLUG entry
>>
>> Anyone on this list?
>>
>>  
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: New purple custom mixte - not mine but nice Minnesota Viking purple

[iamkeith]

Funny how your tastes and sensibilities evolve over time.  The long, purple 
stays now look more "right" to me than the traditional, short ones on the brown 
bike do.

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[RBW] Re: New purple custom mixte - not mine but nice Minnesota Viking purple

[iamkeith]

I think Eric asked what's up, as in "why so damn long?"  

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[RBW] Re: New purple custom mixte - not mine but nice Minnesota Viking purple

[Bill Lindsay]

Eric asked what the chainstay length was.  If you copy the side view image 
and put it in powerpoint, you can draw lines on the photo and let 
powerpoint tell you the length of those lines.  When I do that, I "measure" 
the chainstays as just a bit shorter than the rim diameter.  If the rim 
diameter is 584mm, the chainstays are ~540mm, by my reckoning.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Wednesday, November 2, 2016 at 11:22:26 AM UTC-7, Eric wrote:
>
> Great color!
>
> But what's up with the length of those chainstays?!
>
>>  
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: New purple custom mixte - not mine but nice Minnesota Viking purple

[Eric]

Great color!

But what's up with the length of those chainstays?!

>  
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[RBW] Re: New purple custom mixte - not mine but nice Minnesota Viking purple

[Garth]

  Hey Ryan, blug entries started 12-2010.  In the news archives for a july 
2010 date shows no mixte.

 Got a link instead of us chasing it ?   

>  
>

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[RBW] Re: New purple custom mixte - not mine but nice Minnesota Viking purple

[Garth]

 How great to see some purple bikes, a gold head tube and accents would 
also be way cool !  Purple and orange also go great together . 




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[RBW] Re: New purple custom mixte - not mine but nice Minnesota Viking purple

[Bill Lindsay]

The Vikings should not have switched to those matte-purple helmets.  Glossy 
purple metallic is swank!

On Wednesday, November 2, 2016 at 9:09:17 AM UTC-7, Ryan Fleming wrote:
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> Had me going there for a bit; see latest BLUG entry
>
> Anyone on this list?
>
>  
>

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[RBW] Re: New purple custom mixte - not mine but nice Minnesota Viking purple

[Ryan Fleming]

If you look in the Blug archives, there's a beautiful  custom mountain 
mixte with cantilever brakes (the nice Shimano CX-70 ones I think) in a 
coffee and cream colour and bullmoose bars with the cantis in the mounted 
in the normal seat stay position ; it was posted on July 2010 . I 
thought about cantis but I'm going with the Paul Mafac style centerpulls. 
It's a beauty !

On Wednesday, November 2, 2016 at 12:33:20 PM UTC-5, iamkeith wrote:
>
> Really, really nice!  Not mine, but here's a random question for mixte 
> owners, if i might hijack the thread a bit:  
>
> For a mixte like this or the cheviot, which have longer-than-normal 
> chainstay lengths, is there a reason it couldn't be be built to utilize 
> cantilever brakes (and thus, even fatter tires) at the same mid-stay 
> position as the calipers are located?  
>
> Would your heel hit the brakes despite the stretched length?  Is cable 
> routing too problematic?  (It would obviously require a brazed-on cable 
> stop.)  The Clem L uses canti/V brakes at the upper seat stay, but I've 
> never understood if that was because there are no intermediate stays, or 
> because that's the only way.
>
>

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