Re: [RBW] Re: Off topic alert!! Feedback request.

2015-07-01 Thread Justin August
Stretch in pants/shorts cannot be overstated as an enjoyable part to my cycling 
experience. Sometimes I think the reason why folks go baggy is they want the 
lack of restriction, which stretch gives you without adding bulk.  


-J, Oakland

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Re: [RBW] Re: Off topic alert!! Feedback request.

2015-07-01 Thread Patrick Moore
Thanks, all. So: durability -- no fraying or holes; stretch -- comfort
without bagginess; and quick to dry.

I won't add comfort, because my baggy cutoffs are comfortable enough that I
don't think about comfort when riding, and again, this up to 30 miles. (I
have 3 pr of woolen bike shorts in the hypothetical case of longer rides.)

Nor will I add looks since my old cutoff Gaps and so forth look good.

Hell, even durability: I've got a pair of Gaps that I wore for 10 years as
long pants and that are in year 2 as shorts.

Color would be a plus, since the khaki does get dirty easily.

I will keep an eye out for these, for a sale. As it is, for $75 I can buy 5
pr of GW khakis and pay $10/pair to have them shortened.

It would be nice to have a pair of trim shorts that fit well on a bike --
most bike shorts (non-stretchy) that I've worn are too low in waist and too
tight in crotch -- Patagonia one, for example, MUSA (old style) for another.

Frankly, I'm tempted to buy some simply because they look better with
jerseys -- more like traditional bike shorts -- than my khakis.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Off topic alert!! Feedback request.

2015-07-01 Thread Daniel D.
My favorite things about GOOD cycling specific shorts/pants.  Crotch 
doesn't easily snag the nose of my saddle.  Less luck of the draw that 
there's a stitch/seam/etc that will cause discomfort after a few miles. 
 Lastly, deeper pockets.

On Tuesday, June 30, 2015 at 5:22:45 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:

 Curious: although I love my cycling-specific jerseys, socks, shoes, 
 shades, and caps, I find cutoff khakis -- loose cut, high waist -- more 
 comfortable for rides up to 30 miles (at least) than any cycling specific 
 but not lycra short I've tried, and that includes the older MUSA one. Worn 
 over loose, low crotch, high rise waist boxers, of course. 

 What makes these things better for cycling?


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Re: [RBW] Re: Off topic alert!! Feedback request.

2015-07-01 Thread tarik saleh
 Patrick Moore bertin...@gmail.com wrote:

What makes these things better for cycling?



I like them as they look like shorts, not riding gear, they look neat
enough to wear at work. I usually wear them on the way to and from work and
at work and on shorter rides on the weekend and riding around town, etc
They are cut so they are comfy on the bike and the stretch seems to work.
They are quick dry over normal cotton. They last much much much bettter
than any cotton canvas shorts I wear. I like carhart shorts, patagonia
stand up shorts, but they fray at the hem and pockets and seat while
riding. The mountain Khaki shorts are better wearing, but still fall apart
after a couple summers. The durable cotton SWRV shorts look new still after
a pretty solid year of riding, including lots of thorny off road rides. I
have an old version of SWRV cotton shorts that I bought in 2011 and are
very faded but seem to hold up much better than any of the
carhart/patagonia/mountainkhaki options.

So compared to cutoff khakis they look nicer, wear better and may or may
not be more comfortable on the bike, probably dry quicker.   They cost a
bunch more, but I have piles of shredded carharts and mountain khakis that
I bought on sale or at deep discout on STP that have not held up at all.

Later

Tarik




On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 6:21 PM, Patrick Moore bertin...@gmail.com wrote:

 Curious: although I love my cycling-specific jerseys, socks, shoes,
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 comfortable for rides up to 30 miles (at least) than any cycling specific
 but not lycra short I've tried, and that includes the older MUSA one. Worn
 over loose, low crotch, high rise waist boxers, of course.

 What makes these things better for cycling?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Off topic alert!! Feedback request.

2015-06-30 Thread Justin August
As much as I want to love SWRVE, my experience has been horrible in regard 
to sizing. I like a slim fit but the waists were all over the place and the 
material would stretch 1-3 upon 1 wear. I'll pass and keep on with the 
GIRO New Road shorts that I recently got.

-J

On Tuesday, June 30, 2015 at 3:37:12 PM UTC-7, tarik...@gmail.com wrote:

 Whoops, 

 I could have helped out on this, the cigarette shorts are comically skinny 
 fit if you ask me, they are much narrower in the waist than the same size 
 in the Durable Cotton Regular fit shorts, and are super tight on the legs 
 if you have remotely muscley cyclist thighs.   They are made for skinny 
 folks, no question.  I think people that really like them are very slim and 
 wear them kind of like the missing link between shorts and lycra. 

 I love the durable cotton regular fit shorts. I have 4 pairs now, the 2 
 pair I got last year show virtually no sign of wear with pretty extensive 
 use. They are relatively quick dry and very comfortable on long rides. They 
 are slim profile but not skinny fit, which work great for me, I have 
 reasonably large quads and they fit fine. The fabrick is pretty stretchy so 
 it gives you some nice movement on the bike without having to be baggy. 

 The only caveat is their regular production shorts are NOT made in the USA 
 anymore, they could not scale production up and keep it in LA said they.  
 They make their black label stuff in LA still I think, but most of the 
 stuff under $100 is made in china I believe.  Lots of their limited edition 
 black label stuff sits between the cigarette fit and the regular fit 
 though. So be careful. I have had extremely mixed luck on black label 
 shorts with virtually no useful fit guidance from the Swrve website.  

 Good luck, 

 Tarik



  









 On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 12:47 PM, Hugh Smitham hughs...@gmail.com 
 javascript: wrote:

 yup that's me trendy ;-/

 so far okay but i think they're made for the malnourished. 

 Tail Winds,

 ~Hugh

 “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep 
 moving.” ― Albert Einstein

 http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/



 On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 10:45 AM, Mike Schiller mikey...@rocketmail.com 
 javascript: wrote:

 oh... all you hipsters and your cigarette pantshow trendy!  

 BW...I have some Marmot shorts in a similar fabric... don't seem to 
 absorb moisture much but I don't ride  in them.   

 ~mike
 Carlsbad Ca.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Off topic alert!! Feedback request.

2015-06-30 Thread Patrick Moore
Curious: although I love my cycling-specific jerseys, socks, shoes, shades,
and caps, I find cutoff khakis -- loose cut, high waist -- more comfortable
for rides up to 30 miles (at least) than any cycling specific but not lycra
short I've tried, and that includes the older MUSA one. Worn over loose,
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Re: [RBW] Re: Off topic alert!! Feedback request.

2015-06-30 Thread Hugh Smitham
Tarik,

Thanks for the feedback.

~Hugh
On Jun 30, 2015 3:37 PM, tarik saleh tariksa...@gmail.com wrote:

 Whoops,

 I could have helped out on this, the cigarette shorts are comically skinny
 fit if you ask me, they are much narrower in the waist than the same size
 in the Durable Cotton Regular fit shorts, and are super tight on the legs
 if you have remotely muscley cyclist thighs.   They are made for skinny
 folks, no question.  I think people that really like them are very slim and
 wear them kind of like the missing link between shorts and lycra.

 I love the durable cotton regular fit shorts. I have 4 pairs now, the 2
 pair I got last year show virtually no sign of wear with pretty extensive
 use. They are relatively quick dry and very comfortable on long rides. They
 are slim profile but not skinny fit, which work great for me, I have
 reasonably large quads and they fit fine. The fabrick is pretty stretchy so
 it gives you some nice movement on the bike without having to be baggy.

 The only caveat is their regular production shorts are NOT made in the USA
 anymore, they could not scale production up and keep it in LA said they.
 They make their black label stuff in LA still I think, but most of the
 stuff under $100 is made in china I believe.  Lots of their limited edition
 black label stuff sits between the cigarette fit and the regular fit
 though. So be careful. I have had extremely mixed luck on black label
 shorts with virtually no useful fit guidance from the Swrve website.

 Good luck,

 Tarik













 On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 12:47 PM, Hugh Smitham hughsmit...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 yup that's me trendy ;-/

 so far okay but i think they're made for the malnourished.

 Tail Winds,

 ~Hugh

 “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
 moving.” ― Albert Einstein

 http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/



 On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 10:45 AM, Mike Schiller 
 mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote:

 oh... all you hipsters and your cigarette pantshow trendy!

 BW...I have some Marmot shorts in a similar fabric... don't seem to
 absorb moisture much but I don't ride  in them.

 ~mike
 Carlsbad Ca.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Off topic alert!! Feedback request.

2015-06-30 Thread Hugh Smitham
On Jun 30, 2015 5:22 PM, Patrick Moore bertin...@gmail.com wrote:

 Curious: although I love my cycling-specific jerseys, socks, shoes,
shades, and caps, I find cutoff khakis -- loose cut, high waist -- more
comfortable for rides up to 30 miles (at least) than any cycling specific
but not lycra short I've tried, and that includes the older MUSA one. Worn
over loose, low crotch, high rise waist boxers, of course.

 What makes these things better for cycling?

Starting to think nothing.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Off topic alert!! Feedback request.

2015-06-30 Thread tarik saleh
Whoops,

I could have helped out on this, the cigarette shorts are comically skinny
fit if you ask me, they are much narrower in the waist than the same size
in the Durable Cotton Regular fit shorts, and are super tight on the legs
if you have remotely muscley cyclist thighs.   They are made for skinny
folks, no question.  I think people that really like them are very slim and
wear them kind of like the missing link between shorts and lycra.

I love the durable cotton regular fit shorts. I have 4 pairs now, the 2
pair I got last year show virtually no sign of wear with pretty extensive
use. They are relatively quick dry and very comfortable on long rides. They
are slim profile but not skinny fit, which work great for me, I have
reasonably large quads and they fit fine. The fabrick is pretty stretchy so
it gives you some nice movement on the bike without having to be baggy.

The only caveat is their regular production shorts are NOT made in the USA
anymore, they could not scale production up and keep it in LA said they.
They make their black label stuff in LA still I think, but most of the
stuff under $100 is made in china I believe.  Lots of their limited edition
black label stuff sits between the cigarette fit and the regular fit
though. So be careful. I have had extremely mixed luck on black label
shorts with virtually no useful fit guidance from the Swrve website.

Good luck,

Tarik













On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 12:47 PM, Hugh Smitham hughsmit...@gmail.com
wrote:

 yup that's me trendy ;-/

 so far okay but i think they're made for the malnourished.

 Tail Winds,

 ~Hugh

 “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
 moving.” ― Albert Einstein

 http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/



 On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 10:45 AM, Mike Schiller mikeybi...@rocketmail.com
  wrote:

 oh... all you hipsters and your cigarette pantshow trendy!

 BW...I have some Marmot shorts in a similar fabric... don't seem to
 absorb moisture much but I don't ride  in them.

 ~mike
 Carlsbad Ca.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Off topic alert!! Feedback request.

2015-06-29 Thread Hugh Smitham
yup that's me trendy ;-/

so far okay but i think they're made for the malnourished.

Tail Winds,

~Hugh

“Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
moving.” ― Albert Einstein

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 oh... all you hipsters and your cigarette pantshow trendy!

 BW...I have some Marmot shorts in a similar fabric... don't seem to absorb
 moisture much but I don't ride  in them.

 ~mike
 Carlsbad Ca.


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[RBW] Re: Off topic alert!! Feedback request.

2015-06-27 Thread Mike Schiller
oh... all you hipsters and your cigarette pantshow trendy!  

BW...I have some Marmot shorts in a similar fabric... don't seem to absorb 
moisture much but I don't ride  in them.   

~mike
Carlsbad Ca.


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[RBW] RE: Off topic alert!! Feedback request.

2015-06-26 Thread hsmitham
Well it's been a while in a world with *insta*gram and it seems no one out 
there has any experience with these shorts. So as is often the case I'll 
pony up and try em out.

I purchased the cigarette shorts in dark grey in the old cotton stretch 
fabric. Gonna take em on tour and see how they perform.

Tail Winds,

~Hugh

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Re: [RBW] Re: Off topic alert!! Feedback request.

2015-06-26 Thread Hugh Smitham
So between the two of us we'll have some data to share.



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On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 4:21 AM, Johnny Alien johnnyal...@verizon.net
wrote:

 I sucked it up an bought a pair in the durable cotton.  I wanted the
 lighter pair but they had none available on the site in my size and in
 gray. I had to get the durable pair instead.


 On Friday, June 26, 2015 at 4:37:34 AM UTC-4, hsmitham wrote:

 Well it's been a while in a world with *insta*gram and it seems no one
 out there has any experience with these shorts. So as is often the case
 I'll pony up and try em out.

 I purchased the cigarette shorts in dark grey in the old cotton stretch
 fabric. Gonna take em on tour and see how they perform.

 Tail Winds,

 ~Hugh

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[RBW] Re: Off topic alert!! Feedback request.

2015-06-26 Thread Johnny Alien
I sucked it up an bought a pair in the durable cotton.  I wanted the 
lighter pair but they had none available on the site in my size and in 
gray. I had to get the durable pair instead. 

On Friday, June 26, 2015 at 4:37:34 AM UTC-4, hsmitham wrote:

 Well it's been a while in a world with *insta*gram and it seems no one 
 out there has any experience with these shorts. So as is often the case 
 I'll pony up and try em out.

 I purchased the cigarette shorts in dark grey in the old cotton stretch 
 fabric. Gonna take em on tour and see how they perform.

 Tail Winds,

 ~Hugh


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Re: [RBW] Re: Off topic alert!! Feedback request.

2015-06-24 Thread Hugh Smitham
I hope someone out there can chime in...I was at their global center today.
Had they had the durable cotton shorts in  dark grey with a 33 waist I'd
have bought them. Apparently,  dark grey is super popular and 33 waist a
common size.

Even though I was there I didn't get a confident feeling the originals
would dry quickly dispite the lackluster assurance from the lovely young
lady helping me.

Word is they won't have the dark grey durable in for a long time.

Incidentally, there was a beautiful grey cat with yellow eyes lurking
around, but he was kinda agitated! Maybe it's a grey thing :-/

Tail Winds,

~Hugh
On Jun 24, 2015 7:13 PM, Johnny Alien johnnyal...@verizon.net wrote:

 I was looking at these same shorts and had the exact same questions.

 On Wednesday, June 24, 2015 at 9:23:56 PM UTC-4, hsmitham wrote:

 Thought I'd ask the group...Anyone have experience with these Swrve
 shorts?


 http://swrve.myshopify.com/products/mens-cigarette-shorts?variant=126704252

 These are their cigarette shorts so their tight fitting, not lycra tight
 but still snug. They have two types in this model the cotton twill fabric
 with a small amount of lycra for stretch and their new fabric called
 durable cotton which has cotton, nylon (durable) and some lycra for stretch
 and I think a coating for wind and water resistance.

 What I'd really like to know is whether the first fabric model (which is
 incidentally the older model) after a long day in the saddle will dry out?
 Usually after a long day I'll change into some knickers around camp to give
 the shorts time to air out and dry.

 Do they soften up after washing and are they too heavy for hot Summer
 rides...their Web site states they're for Spring  Summer? But they seem
 very thick especially as opposed to their other specific lightweight
 shorts.

 Your feedback is appreciated.

 Tail Winds,

 ~Hugh

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[RBW] Re: Off topic alert!! Feedback request.

2015-06-24 Thread Johnny Alien
I was looking at these same shorts and had the exact same questions.

On Wednesday, June 24, 2015 at 9:23:56 PM UTC-4, hsmitham wrote:

 Thought I'd ask the group...Anyone have experience with these Swrve 
 shorts? 

 http://swrve.myshopify.com/products/mens-cigarette-shorts?variant=126704252 

 These are their cigarette shorts so their tight fitting, not lycra tight 
 but still snug. They have two types in this model the cotton twill fabric 
 with a small amount of lycra for stretch and their new fabric called 
 durable cotton which has cotton, nylon (durable) and some lycra for stretch 
 and I think a coating for wind and water resistance. 

 What I'd really like to know is whether the first fabric model (which is 
 incidentally the older model) after a long day in the saddle will dry out? 
 Usually after a long day I'll change into some knickers around camp to give 
 the shorts time to air out and dry. 

 Do they soften up after washing and are they too heavy for hot Summer 
 rides...their Web site states they're for Spring  Summer? But they seem 
 very thick especially as opposed to their other specific lightweight 
 shorts. 

 Your feedback is appreciated. 

 Tail Winds, 

 ~Hugh

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