Re: [RBW] Re: Old RBW road bike like the Rambouillet?

[John Dewey]

On Fri, Mar 24, 2023 at 8:28 AM Mike Godwin  wrote:

> What crankset is on the Saluki? looks like a TA, the one with 3 bcd
> drillings:  110/74/54.
>
> Mike SLO CA
>
> On Friday, March 24, 2023 at 8:23:49 AM UTC-7 John Dewey wrote:
>
>> RamBOBs,
>>
>> I think all of these are quite accurate recollections. Our little family
>> peloton (admittedly, a kind of 'embarrassment of riches') includes a RAM
>> acquired in '04, a SAM circa '11, and most recently an NOS 650b DOG
>> (Saluki) that chased us down and just wouldn't let us get away. Each what
>> might be called 'classic' road bike. No stretched out chainstays or swoopy
>> tubes, just delightful, well-mannered, well-proportioned, comfortable,
>> artful road machines.
>>
>> The most recent addition—Saluki—to these old eyes, cannot be
>> distinguished from any of the finest bespoke art bikes we all spend
>> hours admiring on our computers. Every detail is refined and well thought
>> out. Quite amazing. We just replaced old no-named rubber with 38mm Pari
>> Motos and must admit that the 650b fairy dust seems real even if it makes
>> no mechanical sense. Whatever—it feels fast and comfortable and is truly a
>> handsome creature.
>>
>> I guess you could call GP and have him build one for you, but we most
>> definitely pine for the days we could just wander into our favorite
>> bike shop, grab one of these triangles off a hook and take it home. Instant
>> gratification baby!
>>
>> Jock Dewey
>>
>> [image: Saluki.jpg]
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 24, 2023 at 7:25 AM iamkeith  wrote:
>>
>>> I'm pretty sure the Rambouillet evolved from the LongLow.  How that
>>> differed from the Road, I can't recall, but someone will.  The Ram was an
>>> attempt to make a more affordable road bike, by virtue of having it be a
>>> standard, off the shelf model.  The Romulous (and Redwood) were later
>>> introduced as a way to offer a less expensive version of the Ram, by
>>> simplifying some details and using less complicated paint.  There's a
>>> thread from not too long ago where it was postulated and well-argued that
>>> the Roadeo is really just a close linear descendent of the Ram.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, March 24, 2023 at 7:37:55 AM UTC-6 Doug Van Cleve wrote:
>>>
 Howdy folks.

 Wasn't there an RBW road frame BITD that was basically a more basic
 Rambouillet?  I think they were blue, and I don't remember if they were
 offered concurrently or after.  I think there was also a tall version
 called the Redwood...

 Thanks, Doug

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Re: [RBW] Re: Old RBW road bike like the Rambouillet?

[ascpgh]

The murky brake situation mixed with varying rear clearance within the 
Rambouillet year models too. I don't recall if there had been 
miscommunication with Toyo or some purposeful intent. A dropout spec change 
could have given or taken a millimeter or two but bridge spec probably was 
the cause.

My 2002 Ram had its rear dropouts replaced and I never measured to see if 
those or a new, different set of brake pads had eased the reach that 
previously required the pads to be set at the utter bottom of the slots. 
The dropouts used were a preference of the builder doing the warranty 
repair after the drive side one broke.

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh
On Friday, March 24, 2023 at 4:36:27 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> The brake situation is a little murkier than that. Ram/Rom used mid-reach 
> which GP was able to find from Shimano, it didn't have a model name just 
> Shimano. Then he got Tektro to do a long-reach caliper for Saluki, Hilsen 
> and Bleriot. That brake spread to other models and eventually Tektro did a 
> mid-reacher, too. 
>
> In current parlance the Roadeo still uses mid-reach (if you can get one 
> ordered and built), as did the first gen Roadini. The latest Roadini 
> switched to long-reach. 
>
> Simple! 
>
> On Friday, March 24, 2023 at 12:29:56 PM UTC-7 Doug Van Cleve wrote:
>
>> Thanks folks, it was bugging me that I couldn't remember.
>>
>> I forgot that it was a complete bike vs. frameset like the Ram.  
>> Something easy to forget today is that non-short reach brakes were not 
>> really available new in the mid to late '90s, that's why the LongLow used 
>> cantis.  Tektro bringing out the mid-reach dual pivots is what triggered 
>> the Ram/Rom/Bleriot etc...
>>
>> Doug
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 24, 2023 at 11:25 AM Eric Marth  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Doug — The Romulus was offered as a complete bike and "budget" 
>>> version of the Rambouillet. 
>>>
>>> Full brochure here: 
>>> http://notfine.com/rivendell/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Romulus.pdf 
>>>
>>> [image: Screenshot 2023-03-24 at 2.24.19 PM.png]
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Old RBW road bike like the Rambouillet?

[Fullylugged]

Romulus was the model that caught my eye and made me want to get a 
Rivendell.  It was never made in small sizes, so that didn't happen.  In 
2006, I ordered and got a Rambouillet 52 cm instead, which I still have. A 
little fanicer than Romulus but I hear they ride about the same.

On Friday, March 24, 2023 at 5:21:10 PM UTC-5 Matti wrote:

> Since we love to discuss the beauty of Rivendell frames... does anyone 
> else find the Romulus head tube badge design strangely crude, maybe even 
> intentionally humorous?  It seems such an odd contrast to the calligraphic 
> script of the down tube graphics.
> On Friday, March 24, 2023 at 11:24:57 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hi Doug — The Romulus was offered as a complete bike and "budget" version 
>> of the Rambouillet. 
>>
>> Full brochure here: 
>> http://notfine.com/rivendell/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Romulus.pdf 
>>
>> [image: Screenshot 2023-03-24 at 2.24.19 PM.png]
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, March 24, 2023 at 11:28:32 AM UTC-4 Mike Godwin wrote:
>>
>>> What crankset is on the Saluki? looks like a TA, the one with 3 bcd 
>>> drillings:  110/74/54.
>>>
>>> Mike SLO CA
>>>
>>> On Friday, March 24, 2023 at 8:23:49 AM UTC-7 John Dewey wrote:
>>>
 RamBOBs,

 I think all of these are quite accurate recollections. Our little 
 family peloton (admittedly, a kind of 'embarrassment of riches') includes 
 a 
 RAM acquired in '04, a SAM circa '11, and most recently an NOS 650b DOG 
 (Saluki) that chased us down and just wouldn't let us get away. Each what 
 might be called 'classic' road bike. No stretched out chainstays or swoopy 
 tubes, just delightful, well-mannered, well-proportioned, comfortable, 
 artful road machines.  

 The most recent addition—Saluki—to these old eyes, cannot be 
 distinguished from any of the finest bespoke art bikes we all spend 
 hours admiring on our computers. Every detail is refined and well thought 
 out. Quite amazing. We just replaced old no-named rubber with 38mm Pari 
 Motos and must admit that the 650b fairy dust seems real even if it makes 
 no mechanical sense. Whatever—it feels fast and comfortable and is truly a 
 handsome creature.

 I guess you could call GP and have him build one for you, but we most 
 definitely pine for the days we could just wander into our favorite 
 bike shop, grab one of these triangles off a hook and take it home. 
 Instant 
 gratification baby!

 Jock Dewey

 [image: Saluki.jpg]



 On Fri, Mar 24, 2023 at 7:25 AM iamkeith  wrote:

> I'm pretty sure the Rambouillet evolved from the LongLow.  How that 
> differed from the Road, I can't recall, but someone will.  The Ram was an 
> attempt to make a more affordable road bike, by virtue of having it be a 
> standard, off the shelf model.  The Romulous (and Redwood) were later 
> introduced as a way to offer a less expensive version of the Ram, by 
> simplifying some details and using less complicated paint.  There's a 
> thread from not too long ago where it was postulated and well-argued that 
> the Roadeo is really just a close linear descendent of the Ram.


>
> On Friday, March 24, 2023 at 7:37:55 AM UTC-6 Doug Van Cleve wrote:
>
>> Howdy folks.
>>
>> Wasn't there an RBW road frame BITD that was basically a more basic 
>> Rambouillet?  I think they were blue, and I don't remember if they were 
>> offered concurrently or after.  I think there was also a tall version 
>> called the Redwood...
>>
>> Thanks, Doug
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Old RBW road bike like the Rambouillet?

[Matti]

Since we love to discuss the beauty of Rivendell frames... does anyone else 
find the Romulus head tube badge design strangely crude, maybe even 
intentionally humorous?  It seems such an odd contrast to the calligraphic 
script of the down tube graphics.
On Friday, March 24, 2023 at 11:24:57 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi Doug — The Romulus was offered as a complete bike and "budget" version 
> of the Rambouillet. 
>
> Full brochure here: 
> http://notfine.com/rivendell/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Romulus.pdf 
>
> [image: Screenshot 2023-03-24 at 2.24.19 PM.png]
>
>
>
> On Friday, March 24, 2023 at 11:28:32 AM UTC-4 Mike Godwin wrote:
>
>> What crankset is on the Saluki? looks like a TA, the one with 3 bcd 
>> drillings:  110/74/54.
>>
>> Mike SLO CA
>>
>> On Friday, March 24, 2023 at 8:23:49 AM UTC-7 John Dewey wrote:
>>
>>> RamBOBs,
>>>
>>> I think all of these are quite accurate recollections. Our little family 
>>> peloton (admittedly, a kind of 'embarrassment of riches') includes a RAM 
>>> acquired in '04, a SAM circa '11, and most recently an NOS 650b DOG 
>>> (Saluki) that chased us down and just wouldn't let us get away. Each what 
>>> might be called 'classic' road bike. No stretched out chainstays or swoopy 
>>> tubes, just delightful, well-mannered, well-proportioned, comfortable, 
>>> artful road machines.  
>>>
>>> The most recent addition—Saluki—to these old eyes, cannot be 
>>> distinguished from any of the finest bespoke art bikes we all spend 
>>> hours admiring on our computers. Every detail is refined and well thought 
>>> out. Quite amazing. We just replaced old no-named rubber with 38mm Pari 
>>> Motos and must admit that the 650b fairy dust seems real even if it makes 
>>> no mechanical sense. Whatever—it feels fast and comfortable and is truly a 
>>> handsome creature.
>>>
>>> I guess you could call GP and have him build one for you, but we most 
>>> definitely pine for the days we could just wander into our favorite 
>>> bike shop, grab one of these triangles off a hook and take it home. Instant 
>>> gratification baby!
>>>
>>> Jock Dewey
>>>
>>> [image: Saluki.jpg]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 24, 2023 at 7:25 AM iamkeith  wrote:
>>>
 I'm pretty sure the Rambouillet evolved from the LongLow.  How that 
 differed from the Road, I can't recall, but someone will.  The Ram was an 
 attempt to make a more affordable road bike, by virtue of having it be a 
 standard, off the shelf model.  The Romulous (and Redwood) were later 
 introduced as a way to offer a less expensive version of the Ram, by 
 simplifying some details and using less complicated paint.  There's a 
 thread from not too long ago where it was postulated and well-argued that 
 the Roadeo is really just a close linear descendent of the Ram.
>>>
>>>

 On Friday, March 24, 2023 at 7:37:55 AM UTC-6 Doug Van Cleve wrote:

> Howdy folks.
>
> Wasn't there an RBW road frame BITD that was basically a more basic 
> Rambouillet?  I think they were blue, and I don't remember if they were 
> offered concurrently or after.  I think there was also a tall version 
> called the Redwood...
>
> Thanks, Doug
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Old RBW road bike like the Rambouillet?

[Joe Bernard]

The brake situation is a little murkier than that. Ram/Rom used mid-reach 
which GP was able to find from Shimano, it didn't have a model name just 
Shimano. Then he got Tektro to do a long-reach caliper for Saluki, Hilsen 
and Bleriot. That brake spread to other models and eventually Tektro did a 
mid-reacher, too. 

In current parlance the Roadeo still uses mid-reach (if you can get one 
ordered and built), as did the first gen Roadini. The latest Roadini 
switched to long-reach. 

Simple! 

On Friday, March 24, 2023 at 12:29:56 PM UTC-7 Doug Van Cleve wrote:

> Thanks folks, it was bugging me that I couldn't remember.
>
> I forgot that it was a complete bike vs. frameset like the Ram.  Something 
> easy to forget today is that non-short reach brakes were not really 
> available new in the mid to late '90s, that's why the LongLow used cantis.  
> Tektro bringing out the mid-reach dual pivots is what triggered the 
> Ram/Rom/Bleriot etc...
>
> Doug
>
> On Fri, Mar 24, 2023 at 11:25 AM Eric Marth  wrote:
>
>> Hi Doug — The Romulus was offered as a complete bike and "budget" version 
>> of the Rambouillet. 
>>
>> Full brochure here: 
>> http://notfine.com/rivendell/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Romulus.pdf 
>>
>> [image: Screenshot 2023-03-24 at 2.24.19 PM.png]
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Old RBW road bike like the Rambouillet?

[Mike Godwin]

Also, there was a mixup in frame requests, a batch of Romuluses (Romuli) 
arrived with canti posts.  Every so often you see one come up for sale.

Mike SLO CA 
On Friday, March 24, 2023 at 12:29:56 PM UTC-7 Doug Van Cleve wrote:

> Thanks folks, it was bugging me that I couldn't remember.
>
> I forgot that it was a complete bike vs. frameset like the Ram.  Something 
> easy to forget today is that non-short reach brakes were not really 
> available new in the mid to late '90s, that's why the LongLow used cantis.  
> Tektro bringing out the mid-reach dual pivots is what triggered the 
> Ram/Rom/Bleriot etc...
>
> Doug
>
> On Fri, Mar 24, 2023 at 11:25 AM Eric Marth  wrote:
>
>> Hi Doug — The Romulus was offered as a complete bike and "budget" version 
>> of the Rambouillet. 
>>
>> Full brochure here: 
>> http://notfine.com/rivendell/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Romulus.pdf 
>>
>> [image: Screenshot 2023-03-24 at 2.24.19 PM.png]
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Old RBW road bike like the Rambouillet?

[Mike Godwin]

What crankset is on the Saluki? looks like a TA, the one with 3 bcd 
drillings:  110/74/54.

Mike SLO CA

On Friday, March 24, 2023 at 8:23:49 AM UTC-7 John Dewey wrote:

> RamBOBs,
>
> I think all of these are quite accurate recollections. Our little family 
> peloton (admittedly, a kind of 'embarrassment of riches') includes a RAM 
> acquired in '04, a SAM circa '11, and most recently an NOS 650b DOG 
> (Saluki) that chased us down and just wouldn't let us get away. Each what 
> might be called 'classic' road bike. No stretched out chainstays or swoopy 
> tubes, just delightful, well-mannered, well-proportioned, comfortable, 
> artful road machines.  
>
> The most recent addition—Saluki—to these old eyes, cannot be distinguished 
> from any of the finest bespoke art bikes we all spend hours admiring on our 
> computers. Every detail is refined and well thought out. Quite amazing. We 
> just replaced old no-named rubber with 38mm Pari Motos and must admit that 
> the 650b fairy dust seems real even if it makes no mechanical sense. 
> Whatever—it feels fast and comfortable and is truly a handsome creature.
>
> I guess you could call GP and have him build one for you, but we most 
> definitely pine for the days we could just wander into our favorite 
> bike shop, grab one of these triangles off a hook and take it home. Instant 
> gratification baby!
>
> Jock Dewey
>
> [image: Saluki.jpg]
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 24, 2023 at 7:25 AM iamkeith  wrote:
>
>> I'm pretty sure the Rambouillet evolved from the LongLow.  How that 
>> differed from the Road, I can't recall, but someone will.  The Ram was an 
>> attempt to make a more affordable road bike, by virtue of having it be a 
>> standard, off the shelf model.  The Romulous (and Redwood) were later 
>> introduced as a way to offer a less expensive version of the Ram, by 
>> simplifying some details and using less complicated paint.  There's a 
>> thread from not too long ago where it was postulated and well-argued that 
>> the Roadeo is really just a close linear descendent of the Ram.
>
>
>>
>> On Friday, March 24, 2023 at 7:37:55 AM UTC-6 Doug Van Cleve wrote:
>>
>>> Howdy folks.
>>>
>>> Wasn't there an RBW road frame BITD that was basically a more basic 
>>> Rambouillet?  I think they were blue, and I don't remember if they were 
>>> offered concurrently or after.  I think there was also a tall version 
>>> called the Redwood...
>>>
>>> Thanks, Doug
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Old RBW road bike like the Rambouillet?

[iamkeith]

I'm pretty sure the Rambouillet evolved from the LongLow.  How that 
differed from the Road, I can't recall, but someone will.  The Ram was an 
attempt to make a more affordable road bike, by virtue of having it be a 
standard, off the shelf model.  The Romulous (and Redwood) were later 
introduced as a way to offer a less expensive version of the Ram, by 
simplifying some details and using less complicated paint.  There's a 
thread from not too long ago where it was postulated and well-argued that 
the Roadeo is really just a close linear descendent of the Ram.


On Friday, March 24, 2023 at 7:37:55 AM UTC-6 Doug Van Cleve wrote:

> Howdy folks.
>
> Wasn't there an RBW road frame BITD that was basically a more basic 
> Rambouillet?  I think they were blue, and I don't remember if they were 
> offered concurrently or after.  I think there was also a tall version 
> called the Redwood...
>
> Thanks, Doug
>

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[RBW] Re: Old RBW road bike like the Rambouillet?

[George Rosselle]

I think it was the Romulus

On Friday, March 24, 2023 at 9:37:55 AM UTC-4 Doug Van Cleve wrote:

> Howdy folks.
>
> Wasn't there an RBW road frame BITD that was basically a more basic 
> Rambouillet?  I think they were blue, and I don't remember if they were 
> offered concurrently or after.  I think there was also a tall version 
> called the Redwood...
>
> Thanks, Doug
>

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