[RBW] Re: On Loss and Love

2013-07-30 Thread Leslie
The day I saw that about Seth, I was in the middle of planning/packing for 
vacation, camping at the beach; it was an extremely busy couple of days, 
trying to get caught up ahead at work so I wouldn't be too far behind 
once I got back, locating the last bits of stowed gear, 
inspecting/replacing things as needed; and then I was gone for the first 
week.  I did get a pic or two snapped and posted on Facebook while I was 
gone, but was only trying to skim the digests in my email via phone, but 
ended up being sporadic/haphazard.   As soon as we got back, I turned 
around and took my son down for college orientation, and was gone a few 
more days. A sister-in-law from out-of-town has been in visiting, so I've 
spent several days at the inlaws', and am just now trying to settle back 
down.  

Just before we left, Steve emailed me, from MSL;  he'd talked to Seth a few 
times, having heard that I'd struck up an e-friendship w/ Seth.  I sat down 
and stopped packing for a moment, and wrote out a reply to Steve, which was 
weirdly cathartic.  It was kind of a summary/narrative of Seth being one of 
the folks who I first chatted w/ here, since he was familiar w/ this area, 
from where he was in college nearby.   That led to advice, ideas, 
discussions, photos, etc. etc. (Just as one example, I drooled over his 
bike shed he'd built). It was just a, an acknowledgement of one bicyclist 
to another on the loss of another.   I hit send, went to bed, then the next 
morning was gone out of my normal routine for a couple of weeks, so, it's 
been, surreal, like normality was on pause.


Thing is, everyone else seemed to have already expressed the same thoughts 
and emotions that I had/have.  It didn't seem that there was anything else 
to say here.   But Liesl, reading what you just wrote, having just gotten 
back into normal, that just hit home.   


I feel guilty.   I love my bikes, but I feel guilty that I'm not a 
commuter.   I feel guilty that I don't brave traffic, am gun-shy about 
it.  I used to ride anywhere, but anymore, stick to greenbelts and trails 
and lesser-used routes.There are several cyclists that ride along our 
neighborhood's feeder road;  I always am glad to see them out, hang back 
giving them room, then pass once I can be safe about it.   My wife gripes 
and complains whenever she gets caught behind them, though;  it angers me 
when she starts with her they should be off the road onto the sidewalk so 
they won't get hit! spewing.   I try to not fight, but when I try to 
insist that bikes have as much right to be there as a car, she's one who 
disagrees...  and I have to bite my tongue.   I feel guilty that I can't 
get her to see that.  That's been ongoing for years now, but then, this 
happened with Seth.   And it hit home;  it was no longer just a cyclist in 
some distant town, but, was someone I knew, had chatted with, 
appreciated...  The wife didn't pull the I told you so, but you could 
feel it simmering and I felt even more guilty, that I haven't gotten 
through yet.

As we passed through the Triad on I-40, I wanted to detour off through 
Durham. Would have been awkward, a family enroute to camping on the beach, 
pulling up to Eunice and Seth's place; but it would have been 
unannounced/unexpected, the timing wasn't right, and the wife would have 
been miffed, the kids confused... it just didn't happen, but, I wanted to 
'make an appearance'.   I feel guilty I didn't at least try.


I'm not sure what else to say.  I'm not quite sure of my point.   I just 
want to give each of y'all a hug, and try to go ride w/ ya, even if we're 
riding in different states

Hang in there, everyone


-L




On Monday, July 29, 2013 4:42:43 PM UTC-4, Liesl wrote:

 I am terribly past due, but I still need to write this.  Several weeks 
 ago, Erin came into the living room and asked me some mundane question.  I 
 didn’t respond; when she looked at me, she saw tears streaming down my face 
 as I stared at my laptop.  With urgency and tenderness, she asked what 
 was wrong.  Crying quietly, I stammered out as best as I could, “It’s ... 
 one of my Riv Pals…he died.”  I couldn’t get out much more in the moment 
 about Seth, but I read all of the posts.  Others have been eloquent, and 
 I will simply offer my heart and deep sympathy to Seth’s family and friends 
 on or off this list.  

  

 Here is what I want to say, though, to all of us here–lurkers and posters 
 alike:  My tears let me know that, dang it all, I have come to love our 
 curious little Riv family.  How the heck does that happen with a silly 
 old listserv?  

  

 So thanks for being a part of my life, each and every one of you.  Dang it.

  

 With great affection,

 Riv Chica Warrior


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[RBW] Re: On Loss and Love

2013-07-30 Thread Joe Bernard
Thank you for your thoughts, Liesl. I haven't said anything up to now 
because - to my recollection - I never spoke to Seth, so didn't feel I had 
anything to offer about his passing, but I very much agree with you about 
the affection we feel towards the folks we've come to know through our 
shared interest in Riv things. I know everyone here was thrilled for you 
when you won the raffle, as if it had happened to a good friend (it did). 
We will all miss Seth very much. 
 
Joe Bernard
Vallejo, CA.

On Monday, July 29, 2013 1:42:43 PM UTC-7, Liesl wrote:

 I am terribly past due, but I still need to write this.  Several weeks 
 ago, Erin came into the living room and asked me some mundane question.  I 
 didn’t respond; when she looked at me, she saw tears streaming down my face 
 as I stared at my laptop.  With urgency and tenderness, she asked what 
 was wrong.  Crying quietly, I stammered out as best as I could, “It’s ... 
 one of my Riv Pals…he died.”  I couldn’t get out much more in the moment 
 about Seth, but I read all of the posts.  Others have been eloquent, and 
 I will simply offer my heart and deep sympathy to Seth’s family and friends 
 on or off this list.  

  

 Here is what I want to say, though, to all of us here–lurkers and posters 
 alike:  My tears let me know that, dang it all, I have come to love our 
 curious little Riv family.  How the heck does that happen with a silly 
 old listserv?  

  

 So thanks for being a part of my life, each and every one of you.  Dang it.

  

 With great affection,

 Riv Chica Warrior


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[RBW] Re: On Loss and Love

2013-07-29 Thread Deacon Patrick
Sometimes right relationship just sneaks up on us despite our best 
intentions. Grin. Ride with abandon!

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, July 29, 2013 2:42:43 PM UTC-6, Liesl wrote:

 I am terribly past due, but I still need to write this.  Several weeks 
 ago, Erin came into the living room and asked me some mundane question.  I 
 didn’t respond; when she looked at me, she saw tears streaming down my face 
 as I stared at my laptop.  With urgency and tenderness, she asked what 
 was wrong.  Crying quietly, I stammered out as best as I could, “It’s ... 
 one of my Riv Pals…he died.”  I couldn’t get out much more in the moment 
 about Seth, but I read all of the posts.  Others have been eloquent, and 
 I will simply offer my heart and deep sympathy to Seth’s family and friends 
 on or off this list.  

  

 Here is what I want to say, though, to all of us here–lurkers and posters 
 alike:  My tears let me know that, dang it all, I have come to love our 
 curious little Riv family.  How the heck does that happen with a silly 
 old listserv?  

  

 So thanks for being a part of my life, each and every one of you.  Dang it.

  

 With great affection,

 Riv Chica Warrior


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[RBW] Re: On Loss and Love

2013-07-29 Thread hsmitham
Liesl,

How does that happen? Just dropped back into my world after spending three 
days in Riv Universe. Driving home with one of my Riv Brother's we both 
agreed that everyone on this list are awesome human beings. Seth is one of 
our fallen Brother's and your Heart and feelings cloak us all with solace. 
Glad to have a Riv Chica Warrior Sister.

~Hugh

On Monday, July 29, 2013 1:42:43 PM UTC-7, Liesl wrote:

 I am terribly past due, but I still need to write this.  Several weeks 
 ago, Erin came into the living room and asked me some mundane question.  I 
 didn’t respond; when she looked at me, she saw tears streaming down my face 
 as I stared at my laptop.  With urgency and tenderness, she asked what 
 was wrong.  Crying quietly, I stammered out as best as I could, “It’s ... 
 one of my Riv Pals…he died.”  I couldn’t get out much more in the moment 
 about Seth, but I read all of the posts.  Others have been eloquent, and 
 I will simply offer my heart and deep sympathy to Seth’s family and friends 
 on or off this list.  

  

 Here is what I want to say, though, to all of us here–lurkers and posters 
 alike:  My tears let me know that, dang it all, I have come to love our 
 curious little Riv family.  How the heck does that happen with a silly 
 old listserv?  

  

 So thanks for being a part of my life, each and every one of you.  Dang it.

  

 With great affection,

 Riv Chica Warrior


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[RBW] Re: On Loss and Love

2013-07-29 Thread William
Liesl put a bead in my hand, after explaining the emotional energy she had 
put into choosing them and carrying them to California for the specific 
purpose of distributing them to us.  I promised to use it as a zipper pull 
for my Saddlesack.  I'm proud I have it every time look at it.  


On Monday, July 29, 2013 1:42:43 PM UTC-7, Liesl wrote:

 I am terribly past due, but I still need to write this.  Several weeks 
 ago, Erin came into the living room and asked me some mundane question.  I 
 didn’t respond; when she looked at me, she saw tears streaming down my face 
 as I stared at my laptop.  With urgency and tenderness, she asked what 
 was wrong.  Crying quietly, I stammered out as best as I could, “It’s ... 
 one of my Riv Pals…he died.”  I couldn’t get out much more in the moment 
 about Seth, but I read all of the posts.  Others have been eloquent, and 
 I will simply offer my heart and deep sympathy to Seth’s family and friends 
 on or off this list.  

  

 Here is what I want to say, though, to all of us here–lurkers and posters 
 alike:  My tears let me know that, dang it all, I have come to love our 
 curious little Riv family.  How the heck does that happen with a silly 
 old listserv?  

  

 So thanks for being a part of my life, each and every one of you.  Dang it.

  

 With great affection,

 Riv Chica Warrior


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[RBW] Re: On Loss and Love

2013-07-29 Thread Shoji Takahashi
Thanks, Liesl. I echo your thoughts and feelings. Great group of people... 
thx to all.



On Monday, July 29, 2013 6:24:59 PM UTC-4, William wrote:

 Liesl put a bead in my hand, after explaining the emotional energy she had 
 put into choosing them and carrying them to California for the specific 
 purpose of distributing them to us.  I promised to use it as a zipper pull 
 for my Saddlesack.  I'm proud I have it every time look at it.  


 On Monday, July 29, 2013 1:42:43 PM UTC-7, Liesl wrote:

 I am terribly past due, but I still need to write this.  Several weeks 
 ago, Erin came into the living room and asked me some mundane question.  I 
 didn’t respond; when she looked at me, she saw tears streaming down my face 
 as I stared at my laptop.  With urgency and tenderness, she asked what 
 was wrong.  Crying quietly, I stammered out as best as I could, “It’s 
 ... one of my Riv Pals…he died.”  I couldn’t get out much more in the 
 moment about Seth, but I read all of the posts.  Others have been 
 eloquent, and I will simply offer my heart and deep sympathy to Seth’s 
 family and friends on or off this list.  

  

 Here is what I want to say, though, to all of us here–lurkers and posters 
 alike:  My tears let me know that, dang it all, I have come to love our 
 curious little Riv family.  How the heck does that happen with a silly 
 old listserv?  

  

 So thanks for being a part of my life, each and every one of you.  Dang 
 it.

  

 With great affection,

 Riv Chica Warrior



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