Re: [RBW] Re: Ordered a Hunq today....

2012-05-10 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
Obviously, sizing varies from brand to brand, and frame size makes much 
less difference with threadless steerers (if the steerer is left long 
enough). So it's not out of line that a 6-footer could optimally ride a 
56cm non-Riv.

Anyway: Back in 2005 when I rode and was comfy on a 58 Atlantis (I'm 5'8 
with an 85ish pbh), my bike shop coworker, who was very experienced (unlike 
me at the time) and known as a fitting guru, expressed SHOCK that a short 
guy like me would ride a 58 (which is huge in race bike circles). I figured 
there was some brand-to-brand size discrepancy, so I took a $4000 57cm 
Lemonde something off the rack, and rode it for 10 minutes on my break. It 
actually felt pretty great with no adjusting from stock stem length or 
height and with a normal amount of seatpost showing. But my expert coworker 
suggested I try a 52 Trek Madone, which he said was more my size. Me riding 
that bike was high comedy and it was obvious that some pretty severe 
changes would be required if I was to have any hope of riding such a 
small-framed bike comfortably. I've thumbed my nose at conventional sizing 
recommendations ever since. Now I mostly ride two 56 cm Surly models, a 58 
cm Curt Goodrich, and a one-size-fits-most Brompton. If I bought another 
Atlantis, Roadeo, AHH, Rambouillet or other traditional Riv, I'd probably 
be able to work with anything between 55 and 59 cm. I just set up a 54 cm 
San Marcos, and that feels pretty good, too.

On Wednesday, May 9, 2012 11:39:00 AM UTC-5, Allan in Portland wrote:



 On Tuesday, May 8, 2012 11:15:59 PM UTC-7, Statrixbob wrote:

 And the only bike I regret buying was fat-tubed, but too small road bike 
 about 25+ years ago. I was riding a too big Schwinn road bike  and got 
 talked into buying a new bike that was the right size. I wish I'd kept 
 the Schwinn...with any luck it's still on the road. As 


 At the risk of taking this off-topic, I find it incredibly hard not to 
 comment when someone is beaming over their new bike that is 2 to 4 _inches_ 
 too small. Just yesterday my neighbor, that had been talking about getting 
 a new Kona all winter long pulled up on what looked to be 56 Honky Tonk. 
 He is about 6', maybe even 6'1. WTH? He's got 2 or 3 inches on me, and I'm 
 riding a 59.

 Believe me, I'll never be a downer over anyone's new bike, but aye, they 
 sure make it hard don't they.

 -Allan



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Re: [RBW] Re: Ordered a Hunq today....

2012-05-10 Thread EricP
Agree with you on that, Jim.  My new SimpleOne is a 60cm, and fits me 
fine.  Although in a perfect world, I'd probably be on a 62, or even 64 at 
6' and 89is pbh.  But here's where it gets strange, both my Surly bikes are 
58 cm and also fit fine.  And both have less seat post showing than the 
SO!  Go figure.  But a larger bike is so much nicer to ride.  Years ago 
(before I started going to Hiawatha) was talked into getting a 56cm Trek 
1200 at a shop.  Now, it was a nice bike, but never could get the thing to 
fit.  Except with a stem extender and bars hiked way up.  Ended up selling 
it to a friend.  
 
Then again, my 56cm Sam Hillborne fits well.  But that was the first run.  
I'd order a 60cm now to get the same fit.
 
Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN
 
 

On Thursday, May 10, 2012 1:40:38 AM UTC-5, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
wrote:

 Obviously, sizing varies from brand to brand, and frame size makes much 
 less difference with threadless steerers (if the steerer is left long 
 enough). So it's not out of line that a 6-footer could optimally ride a 
 56cm non-Riv.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Ordered a Hunq today....

2012-05-09 Thread Robert F. Harrison
Hahaha is right.

I swear I was okay till I rode the Hunq. Sure it's lovely, but I can resist
all sorts of lovely things. I was even okay after riding the Sam. Don't get
me wrong, the Sam is a great bike. I'd love to own one. I just didn't want
to pay for one.

And yes, I'm one of those folks who forget about the expense in a few (not
one or two, but not dozens either) of paychecks. That's why when Vince said
I could put money down on the frame and pay the rest when it came in I
declined and got the whole thing over with. By July it'll be like getting a
free bike after an expensive vacation.

And the only bike I regret buying was fat-tubed, but too small road bike
about 25+ years ago. I was riding a too big Schwinn road bike  and got
talked into buying a new bike that was the right size. I wish I'd kept
the Schwinn...with any luck it's still on the road. As for it's too big
size - probably smaller than my Quickbeam. My regrets are mostly in
hindsight though, the bike was okay - sold it to a friend a couple of years
later and it did, in fact, fit him better.

Aloha!


On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 9:32 PM, Allan in Portland allan_f...@aracnet.comwrote:

 Hahaha. Congratulations Bob!

 For everyone else, I'm laughing because one of the topics on the ride back
 from points hinter, was that Bob was going to stop at Riv to look at a new
 Hunq, but *hopefully* not buy one because, hey, obviously one needs a new
 hole in their wallet like new hole in their head. Well, we all had the good
 manners not to voice it, but at the same time we all knew he was going home
 with one, because when the strongest protestation you can muster is
 hopefully, umm, yeah. Good luck with that.

 If it helps, I've NEVER heard someone make the old saw about the two best
 days of owning a bike are the day you buy it and the day you sell it. To
 the contrary, most  (not all, but most) folks forget about the expense
 within a paycheck or two. As my brother is wont to say, women's made for
 lovin', money's made for spendin'.

 Best wishes for you and your new Hunq,
 -Allan


 On Tuesday, May 8, 2012 5:27:14 PM UTC-7, Statrixbob wrote:

 I just happened to be in Walnut Creek today and...

 Okay, I actually had planned my vacation this year to include San
 Francisco and Walnut Creek. I arrived yesterday after spending the last 12
 days or so biking the Oregon coast and spending time with family in
 Portland. I'd added a leg to SF when I discovered it wasn't very expensive
 to add the leg to my ticket and I got a great deal at The Mosser in SF that
 made an extra 5 days possible. Admittedly it's a tiny little room, but
 holds me and my bike so there you go.

 Today I took the BART out to Walnut Creek thinking that Grant would be
 off on his book tour but he was in town, actually doing some other
 publicity stuff. I got to meet him in person, get a copy of his book, and
 then worked with Vince on a little something else.

 I had my PBH remeasured and sure enough, I'm still mostly leg, at least
 95.5 (and I'd thought I was 94).

 I test rode the 64 Sam and the 62 Hunq.

 Both were fantastic. The Hunq was just slightly more fantastic for me. I
 stress the for me bit because it could easily be the other way around for
 someone else. I just like really fat tires and riding on the Big Apples
 they had attached showed me just how comfortable that bike can be.

 I went with the stock build kit for a couple of reasons. First it's good
 stuff and does save me a bit on the build. In a perfect world I might have
 toyed with a few things but that would have added unnecessarily to the
 cost. In the future I'll upgrade when things wear out.

 The only thing that concerns me is the Alba bars. They were really nice
 on the test Hunq I rode, though I'm a moustache guy. I'm thinking that I
 may swap the Albas on the Hunq with the M-bars on my QB. I use the QB
 around town for the most part. That'll be like getting two new bikes. :-)

 After spending all that money I spent the afternoon on the trails leading
 up to Mount Diablo. I didn't go up because it was hot and late in the day,
 I hadn't eaten much today, and I only had one bottle of water. That and I
 didn't want to climb 2,000 feet after all the climbing in Oregon. It was
 still a lovely day for a ride and next time I'm in the Bay Area I know
 exactly how to get there. :-)

 All in all it was great to meet Grant, Vince is a great guy, the Hunq is
 a super bike, and I'm still a bike short, I only have 'n' bikes.

 My arsenal now includes (as of July)

 62 Hunq
 66 Quickbeam
 ?? RB-1 (in Hilo)
 Bike Friday New World Tourist
 Fujiyama (a house brand for McCully Bicycle back in the day) single speed
 beater (freshly powder coated and shod with Big Apples)


 That'll do it for a while.


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[RBW] Re: Ordered a Hunq today....

2012-05-09 Thread Mike
Brian, definitely looking forward to pictures of your build. It looks
like it's gonna be a winner.

--mike

On May 8, 11:18 pm, Brian Hanson stone...@gmail.com wrote:
 Rob - great story, and I can relate!  I received my 54cm Hunqapillar
 today.  It's gorgeous!  The packing job was impeccable, and I got some
 doodle art on the box, as well.

 I am in between sizes, so I originally rode a 54 and 58 while visiting Riv
 HQ last summer.  Since I will be primarily using this for camping/off-road
 as a foil for my AHH, I decided on the smaller frame size.  I really liked
 the 54 with a moustache setup, so when I heard they were nearly out of the
 original color, I had to pick one up.  Brian Tester helped out (he has a
 54cm Hunq too).  I started the build today, but am waiting on a few parts.
 Here's the pics so far:

 http://flic.kr/s/aHsjzeCUFj

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Re: [RBW] Re: Ordered a Hunq today....

2012-05-09 Thread Allan in Portland


On Tuesday, May 8, 2012 11:15:59 PM UTC-7, Statrixbob wrote:

 And the only bike I regret buying was fat-tubed, but too small road bike 
 about 25+ years ago. I was riding a too big Schwinn road bike  and got 
 talked into buying a new bike that was the right size. I wish I'd kept 
 the Schwinn...with any luck it's still on the road. As 


At the risk of taking this off-topic, I find it incredibly hard not to 
comment when someone is beaming over their new bike that is 2 to 4 _inches_ 
too small. Just yesterday my neighbor, that had been talking about getting 
a new Kona all winter long pulled up on what looked to be 56 Honky Tonk. 
He is about 6', maybe even 6'1. WTH? He's got 2 or 3 inches on me, and I'm 
riding a 59.

Believe me, I'll never be a downer over anyone's new bike, but aye, they 
sure make it hard don't they.

-Allan

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Re: [RBW] Re: Ordered a Hunq today....

2012-05-09 Thread PATRICK MOORE
I earned the ire and exasperation of a shop employee when said
employee was trying to persuade a young man at least 6'4 tall that he
needed a -- wait for it! -- 56 cm. I snorted and growled and
spluttered and finally broke out in tones of dismay and disgust that,
hell, even I at at short-legg'd 5'10 had a very comfortable 60 cm
bike. I think the customer walked.

(Psst! Don't tell anyone, but my first custom Riv Road was a 54 c-c! I
told Grant I wanted to try to get it on the Riv gallery and he said,
Don't you dare!)

Patrick comfortable on 60s as long as the tts are short Moore, who
loves his Fargo because it has a road-bike-like 57 cm effective tt.

On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 10:39 AM, Allan in Portland
allan_f...@aracnet.com wrote:


 On Tuesday, May 8, 2012 11:15:59 PM UTC-7, Statrixbob wrote:

 And the only bike I regret buying was fat-tubed, but too small road bike
 about 25+ years ago. I was riding a too big Schwinn road bike  and got
 talked into buying a new bike that was the right size. I wish I'd kept the
 Schwinn...with any luck it's still on the road. As


 At the risk of taking this off-topic, I find it incredibly hard not to
 comment when someone is beaming over their new bike that is 2 to 4 _inches_
 too small. Just yesterday my neighbor, that had been talking about getting a
 new Kona all winter long pulled up on what looked to be 56 Honky Tonk. He
 is about 6', maybe even 6'1. WTH? He's got 2 or 3 inches on me, and I'm
 riding a 59.

 Believe me, I'll never be a downer over anyone's new bike, but aye, they
 sure make it hard don't they.

 -Allan

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Re: [RBW] Re: Ordered a Hunq today....

2012-05-09 Thread Brian Hanson
I ride a 59 AHH and am about 5'11.  I've had a number of close bike-crazy
friends who think I'm nuts and on a frame that is too big.  Everyone has an
opinion.  I find it comfy, and would guess that I could easily go with a
61cm on a relatively flat top tube bike.  Getting the handlebars high
without having to use a really long stem height is more important to me
that worrying about how close the top tube is to my junk.  I'm of the
opinion that wanting to keep a low top tube is something the industry
legals did to minimize the new biker injury claims rather than educating
folks on how to ride a properly sized bike without hurting yourself.  The
problem is that your injury on a too small bike just takes longer to
manifest, but will definitely happen, whereas a bump on the junk only takes
one time to get folks in the mindset on how to avoid it in the future.

Brian
Seattle, WA

On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 9:39 AM, Allan in Portland allan_f...@aracnet.comwrote:



 On Tuesday, May 8, 2012 11:15:59 PM UTC-7, Statrixbob wrote:

 And the only bike I regret buying was fat-tubed, but too small road bike
 about 25+ years ago. I was riding a too big Schwinn road bike  and got
 talked into buying a new bike that was the right size. I wish I'd kept
 the Schwinn...with any luck it's still on the road. As


 At the risk of taking this off-topic, I find it incredibly hard not to
 comment when someone is beaming over their new bike that is 2 to 4 _inches_
 too small. Just yesterday my neighbor, that had been talking about getting
 a new Kona all winter long pulled up on what looked to be 56 Honky Tonk.
 He is about 6', maybe even 6'1. WTH? He's got 2 or 3 inches on me, and I'm
 riding a 59.

 Believe me, I'll never be a downer over anyone's new bike, but aye, they
 sure make it hard don't they.

 -Allan

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[RBW] Re: Ordered a Hunq today....

2012-05-09 Thread Zack
Riding a frame that fits (and figuring out what that actually means) is a 
total revelation.

I am 6'3 with a 94 PBH.  When I first got into riding, it was on a 56cm 
Trek 520 that someone gave me. Needless to say, my 64cm Sam is much easier 
on my neck, back, shoulders, and even my legs/knees.  

Congrats on the Hunq.  

I rode both the 62 Hunq and the 64 Sam myself, and loved both.  I went with 
the Sam as I figured I would mostly be riding around town and haven't done 
much off-road exploring on the bike in VT.  Both felt better than any bike 
I had ever ridden.


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[RBW] Re: Ordered a Hunq today....

2012-05-09 Thread Scot Brooks
With the racing and want-to-look-racy world of bike fitment, it seems like they 
had a weird line of thinking that went a little like this: better get the stem 
way down, that's racy. Bike doesn't fit now that the stem is like that? Better 
get a smaller frame to bring the bars closer, don't even think about raising 
that stem, mister. Sort of a cart following the horse moment. Really weird. 

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[RBW] Re: Ordered a Hunq today....

2012-05-09 Thread Jim
When I started looking for a new bicycle last year (for the first time in a 
lonnng time), I got put on some spectacularly small frames (i'm 6-8), 
including a Specialized Crosstrail, and some Giant bike that was around 
60cm.  And they would have happily sold me those bikes.  I think it was the 
third LBS i entered where someone finally told me dude, we got nothing, 
you need a custom.  Fortunately I found Riv and the AHH.

Jim in Boulder

On Tuesday, May 8, 2012 6:27:14 PM UTC-6, Statrixbob wrote:

 I just happened to be in Walnut Creek today and...

 Okay, I actually had planned my vacation this year to include San 
 Francisco and Walnut Creek. I arrived yesterday after spending the last 12 
 days or so biking the Oregon coast and spending time with family in 
 Portland. I'd added a leg to SF when I discovered it wasn't very expensive 
 to add the leg to my ticket and I got a great deal at The Mosser in SF that 
 made an extra 5 days possible. Admittedly it's a tiny little room, but 
 holds me and my bike so there you go.

 Today I took the BART out to Walnut Creek thinking that Grant would be off 
 on his book tour but he was in town, actually doing some other publicity 
 stuff. I got to meet him in person, get a copy of his book, and then worked 
 with Vince on a little something else.

 I had my PBH remeasured and sure enough, I'm still mostly leg, at least 
 95.5 (and I'd thought I was 94). 

 I test rode the 64 Sam and the 62 Hunq.

 Both were fantastic. The Hunq was just slightly more fantastic for me. I 
 stress the for me bit because it could easily be the other way around for 
 someone else. I just like really fat tires and riding on the Big Apples 
 they had attached showed me just how comfortable that bike can be.

 I went with the stock build kit for a couple of reasons. First it's good 
 stuff and does save me a bit on the build. In a perfect world I might have 
 toyed with a few things but that would have added unnecessarily to the 
 cost. In the future I'll upgrade when things wear out.

 The only thing that concerns me is the Alba bars. They were really nice on 
 the test Hunq I rode, though I'm a moustache guy. I'm thinking that I may 
 swap the Albas on the Hunq with the M-bars on my QB. I use the QB around 
 town for the most part. That'll be like getting two new bikes. :-)

 After spending all that money I spent the afternoon on the trails leading 
 up to Mount Diablo. I didn't go up because it was hot and late in the day, 
 I hadn't eaten much today, and I only had one bottle of water. That and I 
 didn't want to climb 2,000 feet after all the climbing in Oregon. It was 
 still a lovely day for a ride and next time I'm in the Bay Area I know 
 exactly how to get there. :-)

 All in all it was great to meet Grant, Vince is a great guy, the Hunq is a 
 super bike, and I'm still a bike short, I only have 'n' bikes.

 My arsenal now includes (as of July)

 62 Hunq 
 66 Quickbeam
 ?? RB-1 (in Hilo)
 Bike Friday New World Tourist
 Fujiyama (a house brand for McCully Bicycle back in the day) single speed 
 beater (freshly powder coated and shod with Big Apples)


 That'll do it for a while.

 -- 
 Robert Harrison
 rfharri...@gmail.com
 statrix.com

  
On Tuesday, May 8, 2012 6:27:14 PM UTC-6, Statrixbob wrote:

 I just happened to be in Walnut Creek today and...

 Okay, I actually had planned my vacation this year to include San 
 Francisco and Walnut Creek. I arrived yesterday after spending the last 12 
 days or so biking the Oregon coast and spending time with family in 
 Portland. I'd added a leg to SF when I discovered it wasn't very expensive 
 to add the leg to my ticket and I got a great deal at The Mosser in SF that 
 made an extra 5 days possible. Admittedly it's a tiny little room, but 
 holds me and my bike so there you go.

 Today I took the BART out to Walnut Creek thinking that Grant would be off 
 on his book tour but he was in town, actually doing some other publicity 
 stuff. I got to meet him in person, get a copy of his book, and then worked 
 with Vince on a little something else.

 I had my PBH remeasured and sure enough, I'm still mostly leg, at least 
 95.5 (and I'd thought I was 94). 

 I test rode the 64 Sam and the 62 Hunq.

 Both were fantastic. The Hunq was just slightly more fantastic for me. I 
 stress the for me bit because it could easily be the other way around for 
 someone else. I just like really fat tires and riding on the Big Apples 
 they had attached showed me just how comfortable that bike can be.

 I went with the stock build kit for a couple of reasons. First it's good 
 stuff and does save me a bit on the build. In a perfect world I might have 
 toyed with a few things but that would have added unnecessarily to the 
 cost. In the future I'll upgrade when things wear out.

 The only thing that concerns me is the Alba bars. They were really nice on 
 the test Hunq I rode, though I'm a moustache guy. I'm thinking that I may 
 swap the Albas on the 

[RBW] Re: Ordered a Hunq today....

2012-05-08 Thread Mike
Robert, congrats on the new bike. Looking forward to seeing it built
up. I'm curious, did you try the new Bosco Bar? I've really grown to
like the looks of the Albatross bar on the Hunqa. There's a little
Youtube clip of a 62 Hunqa with Albatross bars and the whole set-up
looks great and very capable for dirt road rambling.

--mike

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[RBW] Re: Ordered a Hunq today....

2012-05-08 Thread Allan in Portland
Hahaha. Congratulations Bob!

For everyone else, I'm laughing because one of the topics on the ride back 
from points hinter, was that Bob was going to stop at Riv to look at a new 
Hunq, but *hopefully* not buy one because, hey, obviously one needs a new 
hole in their wallet like new hole in their head. Well, we all had the good 
manners not to voice it, but at the same time we all knew he was going home 
with one, because when the strongest protestation you can muster is 
hopefully, umm, yeah. Good luck with that.

If it helps, I've NEVER heard someone make the old saw about the two best 
days of owning a bike are the day you buy it and the day you sell it. To 
the contrary, most  (not all, but most) folks forget about the expense 
within a paycheck or two. As my brother is wont to say, women's made for 
lovin', money's made for spendin'.

Best wishes for you and your new Hunq,
-Allan

On Tuesday, May 8, 2012 5:27:14 PM UTC-7, Statrixbob wrote:

 I just happened to be in Walnut Creek today and...

 Okay, I actually had planned my vacation this year to include San 
 Francisco and Walnut Creek. I arrived yesterday after spending the last 12 
 days or so biking the Oregon coast and spending time with family in 
 Portland. I'd added a leg to SF when I discovered it wasn't very expensive 
 to add the leg to my ticket and I got a great deal at The Mosser in SF that 
 made an extra 5 days possible. Admittedly it's a tiny little room, but 
 holds me and my bike so there you go.

 Today I took the BART out to Walnut Creek thinking that Grant would be off 
 on his book tour but he was in town, actually doing some other publicity 
 stuff. I got to meet him in person, get a copy of his book, and then worked 
 with Vince on a little something else.

 I had my PBH remeasured and sure enough, I'm still mostly leg, at least 
 95.5 (and I'd thought I was 94). 

 I test rode the 64 Sam and the 62 Hunq.

 Both were fantastic. The Hunq was just slightly more fantastic for me. I 
 stress the for me bit because it could easily be the other way around for 
 someone else. I just like really fat tires and riding on the Big Apples 
 they had attached showed me just how comfortable that bike can be.

 I went with the stock build kit for a couple of reasons. First it's good 
 stuff and does save me a bit on the build. In a perfect world I might have 
 toyed with a few things but that would have added unnecessarily to the 
 cost. In the future I'll upgrade when things wear out.

 The only thing that concerns me is the Alba bars. They were really nice on 
 the test Hunq I rode, though I'm a moustache guy. I'm thinking that I may 
 swap the Albas on the Hunq with the M-bars on my QB. I use the QB around 
 town for the most part. That'll be like getting two new bikes. :-)

 After spending all that money I spent the afternoon on the trails leading 
 up to Mount Diablo. I didn't go up because it was hot and late in the day, 
 I hadn't eaten much today, and I only had one bottle of water. That and I 
 didn't want to climb 2,000 feet after all the climbing in Oregon. It was 
 still a lovely day for a ride and next time I'm in the Bay Area I know 
 exactly how to get there. :-)

 All in all it was great to meet Grant, Vince is a great guy, the Hunq is a 
 super bike, and I'm still a bike short, I only have 'n' bikes.

 My arsenal now includes (as of July)

 62 Hunq 
 66 Quickbeam
 ?? RB-1 (in Hilo)
 Bike Friday New World Tourist
 Fujiyama (a house brand for McCully Bicycle back in the day) single speed 
 beater (freshly powder coated and shod with Big Apples)


 That'll do it for a while.


  

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