Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: NOS 56 Rambouillett on KC Craigslist

[Hugh Smitham]

That's exactly how'd I'd build one up. Nicely done.



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On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 10:17 AM, 'pb' via RBW Owners Bunch <
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> On Sunday, March 6, 2016 at 8:45:12 PM UTC-8, dougP wrote:
>>
>> Likely I'm the only lister with only one Rivendell and an orange Ram
>> would be such a neat sporty bike.
>>
>
>
> I'm down to only one Riv:
>
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/pbridge1300/16126988157/in/album-72157646685720044/
>
> Gotta have one orange bike.
>
> ~pb
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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: NOS 56 Rambouillett on KC Craigslist

['pb' via RBW Owners Bunch]

On Sunday, March 6, 2016 at 8:45:12 PM UTC-8, dougP wrote:
>
> Likely I'm the only lister with only one Rivendell and an orange Ram would 
> be such a neat sporty bike.  
>


I'm down to only one Riv:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/pbridge1300/16126988157/in/album-72157646685720044/

Gotta have one orange bike.

~pb

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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: NOS 56 Rambouillett on KC Craigslist

[dougP]

If the seller gets his price, he will be (roughly) getting back his 
purchasing power on his investment.  I doubt anyone buys a frame, then 
stores it for a long time, with the intent to sell in the future.  However, 
if that is the case, he's only breaking even on this one.  

As always, the market will find the "right" price.  

dougP

On Monday, March 7, 2016 at 8:37:02 AM UTC-8, George Schick wrote:
>
> This thread prompted me to search through my files to see what I paid for 
> my orange Ram back in early '05.  It was $1,300 for the frame (and 
> presumably with the headset since there is no separate cost broken out for 
> it).  Not sure how that relates to today's dollars.  OTOH, I'm also not 
> sure how it relates to the frame itself, either.  Do they depreciate or 
> appreciate in value over time?  Seems like it's kind of up to the 
> individual.
>
> I have a neighbor who owns an early 60's Triumph TR4.  Those were not 
> really well made top-of-the-line sports cars in their day.  They weren't 
> intended to be.  Yet, he's kept it in pristine condition and he tells me 
> that he could easily get in the mid-$20K range for it.  I looked the year 
> and model up on the Web and he's pretty much correct.  It's a collector's 
> item.  A vintage car. Maybe even a cult following.  And so it probably is 
> with these frames.  Not sure I'd be willing to go to $1,800 for one, 
> though, NIB or not.
>
> On Monday, March 7, 2016 at 10:09:43 AM UTC-6, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>>
>> There's an ad in the new BQ for the *L'Avecaise To Go*, $1700.  Not sure 
>> what the "to go" model is, perhaps stock sizes.
>>
>> On 03/07/2016 10:47 AM, Brian Campbell wrote:
>>
>> Jeff Lyon told me that his website prices were out of date and that he 
>> did not own his website and subsequently, was unable to change them. I got 
>> a quote and for a frame/fork 1 color PC and brazed on centerpulls and it 
>> was $2,300. FYI.
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: NOS 56 Rambouillett on KC Craigslist

[Brian Campbell]

You are correct. I pulled the e-mail just to double check myself and I had 
added in lots of "extras". Sorry for the incorrect info. BTW, I would have 
put the order in when I spoke with him but I just didn't have the extra 
cabbage. Beautiful frames and super nice guy to boot.

On Monday, March 7, 2016 at 11:09:43 AM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> There's an ad in the new BQ for the *L'Avecaise To Go*, $1700.  Not sure 
> what the "to go" model is, perhaps stock sizes.
>
> On 03/07/2016 10:47 AM, Brian Campbell wrote:
>
> Jeff Lyon told me that his website prices were out of date and that he did 
> not own his website and subsequently, was unable to change them. I got a 
> quote and for a frame/fork 1 color PC and brazed on centerpulls and it was 
> $2,300. FYI.
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: NOS 56 Rambouillett on KC Craigslist

[George Schick]

This thread prompted me to search through my files to see what I paid for 
my orange Ram back in early '05.  It was $1,300 for the frame (and 
presumably with the headset since there is no separate cost broken out for 
it).  Not sure how that relates to today's dollars.  OTOH, I'm also not 
sure how it relates to the frame itself, either.  Do they depreciate or 
appreciate in value over time?  Seems like it's kind of up to the 
individual.

I have a neighbor who owns an early 60's Triumph TR4.  Those were not 
really well made top-of-the-line sports cars in their day.  They weren't 
intended to be.  Yet, he's kept it in pristine condition and he tells me 
that he could easily get in the mid-$20K range for it.  I looked the year 
and model up on the Web and he's pretty much correct.  It's a collector's 
item.  A vintage car. Maybe even a cult following.  And so it probably is 
with these frames.  Not sure I'd be willing to go to $1,800 for one, 
though, NIB or not.

On Monday, March 7, 2016 at 10:09:43 AM UTC-6, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> There's an ad in the new BQ for the *L'Avecaise To Go*, $1700.  Not sure 
> what the "to go" model is, perhaps stock sizes.
>
> On 03/07/2016 10:47 AM, Brian Campbell wrote:
>
> Jeff Lyon told me that his website prices were out of date and that he did 
> not own his website and subsequently, was unable to change them. I got a 
> quote and for a frame/fork 1 color PC and brazed on centerpulls and it was 
> $2,300. FYI.
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: NOS 56 Rambouillett on KC Craigslist

[Steve Palincsar]

There's an ad in the new BQ for the *L'Avecaise To Go*, $1700.  Not sure 
what the "to go" model is, perhaps stock sizes.


On 03/07/2016 10:47 AM, Brian Campbell wrote:
Jeff Lyon told me that his website prices were out of date and that he 
did not own his website and subsequently, was unable to change them. I 
got a quote and for a frame/fork 1 color PC and brazed on centerpulls 
and it was $2,300. FYI.


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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: NOS 56 Rambouillett on KC Craigslist

[Brian Campbell]

Jeff Lyon told me that his website prices were out of date and that he did 
not own his website and subsequently, was unable to change them. I got a 
quote and for a frame/fork 1 color PC and brazed on centerpulls and it was 
$2,300. FYI.

On Monday, March 7, 2016 at 10:18:57 AM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> I don't own a Jeff Lyon, but a friend in the local bike club had one, 
> and I've seen it up close and have ridden it a short distance. It's 
> lovely, every bit as nice as my MAP.  But, as you note, it's not a 
> Rivendell -- it's not even very much like a Rivendell, being in the 
> small diameter tubing, front loading low trail camp. 
>
> On 03/07/2016 10:11 AM, islaysteve wrote: 
> > Steve, I did look briefly at the Lyons website and I agree that they 
> look very nice for the price.  Since you own one, I'll take your word as to 
> quality, etc.  so I stand corrected on that point.  What I found even more 
> intriguing was the fact that a full Lyon custom is $1000 less than a Riv 
> custom.  Not that Riv is the standard for a custom frame.  But if you love 
> Rivendell, then I guess a Riv custom probably is the ultimate (and you pay 
> their price.). 
> > Cheers, Steve (who is going to enjoy riding his non-custom Bleriot in 
> the nice weather today) 
> > 
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: NOS 56 Rambouillett on KC Craigslist

[Steve Palincsar]

I don't own a Jeff Lyon, but a friend in the local bike club had one, 
and I've seen it up close and have ridden it a short distance. It's 
lovely, every bit as nice as my MAP.  But, as you note, it's not a 
Rivendell -- it's not even very much like a Rivendell, being in the 
small diameter tubing, front loading low trail camp.


On 03/07/2016 10:11 AM, islaysteve wrote:

Steve, I did look briefly at the Lyons website and I agree that they look very 
nice for the price.  Since you own one, I'll take your word as to quality, etc. 
 so I stand corrected on that point.  What I found even more intriguing was the 
fact that a full Lyon custom is $1000 less than a Riv custom.  Not that Riv is 
the standard for a custom frame.  But if you love Rivendell, then I guess a Riv 
custom probably is the ultimate (and you pay their price.).
Cheers, Steve (who is going to enjoy riding his non-custom Bleriot in the nice 
weather today)



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[RBW] Re: PSA: NOS 56 Rambouillett on KC Craigslist

[islaysteve]

Steve, I did look briefly at the Lyons website and I agree that they look very 
nice for the price.  Since you own one, I'll take your word as to quality, etc. 
 so I stand corrected on that point.  What I found even more intriguing was the 
fact that a full Lyon custom is $1000 less than a Riv custom.  Not that Riv is 
the standard for a custom frame.  But if you love Rivendell, then I guess a Riv 
custom probably is the ultimate (and you pay their price.).  
Cheers, Steve (who is going to enjoy riding his non-custom Bleriot in the nice 
weather today)

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[RBW] Re: PSA: NOS 56 Rambouillett on KC Craigslist

[Kieran J]

The Ram has enough shortcomings that, unless it is exactly what you want, 
the price is quite high compared to options available. I like mine but I 
would never consider paying $1800 for the frameset - even if it was NIB.

KJ


On Sunday, March 6, 2016 at 12:19:22 AM UTC-5, Chad wrote:
>
> https://kansascity.craigslist.org/bik/5459510887.html
>
> Not mine, but wow gorgeous frame!
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: NOS 56 Rambouillett on KC Craigslist

[Steve Palincsar]

You need to take a look at Jeff Lyon's frames.  The L'Avecaise is 
definitely "NAHBS quality" and equally definitely nicer than a 
Rambouillet -- not to mention the fact that it's custom fitted, not a 
stock frame sized in 2 cm increments.


On 03/07/2016 08:30 AM, islaysteve wrote:
I guess you can get some customs for less than $2000, but I doubt you 
could get an NAHBS-quality lugged frame for less. 


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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: NOS 56 Rambouillett on KC Craigslist

[islaysteve]

Well now that the issue of price has been raised, I will say that the 
asking price struck me as high.  However, consider that this is a NIB 
Rivendell that is no longer made, a bike that is highly desireable 
(apparently) in what is arguably the most desirable color.  It's less than 
a new Rodeo or AHH, even if we consider that a buyer may or may not want 
one of those models more.  I guess you can get some customs for less than 
$2000, but I doubt you could get an NAHBS-quality lugged frame for less. 
 And finally, many Riv owners/buyers wouldn't consider anything else.  So 
it is, for some, indeed the Grail.  I'm not defending the price, just 
expressing some thoughts.  Someone will pay what they will pay, obviously. 
Steve

On Monday, March 7, 2016 at 7:12:05 AM UTC-5, Chris wrote:
>
> Wow, that is an insane price for a Ram frameset in my opinion... I'm all 
> for a Riv and I would LOVE an orange Ram, but $1800 can get you so much 
> more... Heck, you can get Black Mountain Cycles road frame that rides as 
> nice as any bike I've had (and there have been many to include Rivs) for 
> less than half that... 
>
> I say get it if that's the Grail you've been looking for, but just know 
> there are other options out there... I wonder how many NAHBS framesets you 
> could get for $2k? 
>
> Chris
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: NOS 56 Rambouillett on KC Craigslist

[Steve Palincsar]

On 03/07/2016 07:12 AM, Chris wrote:

Wow, that is an insane price for a Ram frameset in my opinion... I'm all for a 
Riv and I would LOVE an orange Ram, but $1800 can get you so much more... Heck, 
you can get Black Mountain Cycles road frame that rides as nice as any bike 
I've had (and there have been many to include Rivs) for less than half that...


You could get a new Jeff Lyon L'Avecaise for that kind of money.




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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: NOS 56 Rambouillett on KC Craigslist

[Chris]

Wow, that is an insane price for a Ram frameset in my opinion... I'm all for a 
Riv and I would LOVE an orange Ram, but $1800 can get you so much more... Heck, 
you can get Black Mountain Cycles road frame that rides as nice as any bike 
I've had (and there have been many to include Rivs) for less than half that... 

I say get it if that's the Grail you've been looking for, but just know there 
are other options out there... I wonder how many NAHBS framesets you could get 
for $2k? 

Chris

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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: NOS 56 Rambouillett on KC Craigslist

[cyclotourist]

Make it happen!

On Sun, Mar 6, 2016 at 8:45 PM, dougP  wrote:

> I found myself comparing the geo to my 58 cm Atlantis.  Likely I'm the
> only lister with only one Rivendell and an orange Ram would be such a neat
> sporty bike.
>
> dougp
>
> On Sunday, March 6, 2016 at 6:29:01 PM UTC-8, Hugh Smitham wrote:
>>
>> I completely relate.
>> On Mar 6, 2016 5:58 PM, "Pondero"  wrote:
>>
>>> I really must stop reading this thread.  It seems to be planting
>>> thoughts in my brain that are better left un-thought.
>>>
>>> Chris Johnson
>>> Sanger, Texas
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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: NOS 56 Rambouillett on KC Craigslist

[dougP]

I found myself comparing the geo to my 58 cm Atlantis.  Likely I'm the only 
lister with only one Rivendell and an orange Ram would be such a neat 
sporty bike.  

dougp

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>
> I completely relate.
> On Mar 6, 2016 5:58 PM, "Pondero"  
> wrote:
>
>> I really must stop reading this thread.  It seems to be planting thoughts 
>> in my brain that are better left un-thought.
>>
>> Chris Johnson
>> Sanger, Texas
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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: NOS 56 Rambouillett on KC Craigslist

[Hugh Smitham]

I completely relate.
On Mar 6, 2016 5:58 PM, "Pondero"  wrote:

> I really must stop reading this thread.  It seems to be planting thoughts
> in my brain that are better left un-thought.
>
> Chris Johnson
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[RBW] Re: PSA: NOS 56 Rambouillett on KC Craigslist

[Pondero]

I really must stop reading this thread.  It seems to be planting thoughts 
in my brain that are better left un-thought.

Chris Johnson
Sanger, Texas

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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: NOS 56 Rambouillett on KC Craigslist

[iamkeith]

On Sunday, March 6, 2016 at 10:50:49 AM UTC-7, Hugh Smitham wrote:
>
> Does anyone have the Geo chart for the Ram? I went to the cyclofiend pages 
> and did a quick scan. Thanks,
>
>
> ~Hugh
>
 
It's in this chart:

cyclofiend.com/rbw/geometry.html 

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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: NOS 56 Rambouillett on KC Craigslist

[dougP]

Somewhere in the archives is an extensive thread entitled "Is the Ram the 
best Riv ever?" or something similar.  It was a few years ago and the 
general argument was that the Ram was the sweet spot for an all-rounder.  
Light enough to be sporting yet able to carry a light touring load.  IIRC 
owners were passionate about these bikes so that may be a reason why they 
so seldom change hands.  

dougP

On Sunday, March 6, 2016 at 10:17:48 AM UTC-8, Hugh Smitham wrote:
>
> Looks like the 56cm would fit me with a 80.8cm standover but a 58cm with a 
> 82.8cm would be even better. I don't think I see many 58cm pop up all that 
> often? 
>
>
>
> ~Hugh
>
> “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep 
> moving.” ― Albert Einstein
>
> http://velocipeedemusings.com/
>
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 6, 2016 at 9:50 AM, Hugh Smitham  > wrote:
>
>> Does anyone have the Geo chart for the Ram? I went to the cyclofiend 
>> pages and did a quick scan. Thanks,
>>
>>
>> ~Hugh
>>
>> “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep 
>> moving.” ― Albert Einstein
>>
>> http://velocipeedemusings.com/
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 6, 2016 at 9:46 AM, Hugh Smitham > > wrote:
>>
>>> I was just pondering that if ever a 56cm popped up I'd throw down for 
>>> one! Dang it timing is everything. It's a beaut though.
>>>
>>> ~Hugh
>>>   Los Angeles, CA
>>>
>>> On Saturday, March 5, 2016 at 9:19:22 PM UTC-8, Chad wrote:

 https://kansascity.craigslist.org/bik/5459510887.html

 Not mine, but wow gorgeous frame!

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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: NOS 56 Rambouillett on KC Craigslist

[Hugh Smitham]

Looks like the 56cm would fit me with a 80.8cm standover but a 58cm with a
82.8cm would be even better. I don't think I see many 58cm pop up all that
often?



~Hugh

“Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
moving.” ― Albert Einstein

http://velocipeedemusings.com/



On Sun, Mar 6, 2016 at 9:50 AM, Hugh Smitham  wrote:

> Does anyone have the Geo chart for the Ram? I went to the cyclofiend pages
> and did a quick scan. Thanks,
>
>
> ~Hugh
>
> “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
> moving.” ― Albert Einstein
>
> http://velocipeedemusings.com/
>
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 6, 2016 at 9:46 AM, Hugh Smitham 
> wrote:
>
>> I was just pondering that if ever a 56cm popped up I'd throw down for
>> one! Dang it timing is everything. It's a beaut though.
>>
>> ~Hugh
>>   Los Angeles, CA
>>
>> On Saturday, March 5, 2016 at 9:19:22 PM UTC-8, Chad wrote:
>>>
>>> https://kansascity.craigslist.org/bik/5459510887.html
>>>
>>> Not mine, but wow gorgeous frame!
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: NOS 56 Rambouillett on KC Craigslist

[Hugh Smitham]

Does anyone have the Geo chart for the Ram? I went to the cyclofiend pages
and did a quick scan. Thanks,


~Hugh

“Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
moving.” ― Albert Einstein

http://velocipeedemusings.com/



On Sun, Mar 6, 2016 at 9:46 AM, Hugh Smitham  wrote:

> I was just pondering that if ever a 56cm popped up I'd throw down for one!
> Dang it timing is everything. It's a beaut though.
>
> ~Hugh
>   Los Angeles, CA
>
> On Saturday, March 5, 2016 at 9:19:22 PM UTC-8, Chad wrote:
>>
>> https://kansascity.craigslist.org/bik/5459510887.html
>>
>> Not mine, but wow gorgeous frame!
>>
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[RBW] Re: PSA: NOS 56 Rambouillett on KC Craigslist

[Hugh Smitham]

I was just pondering that if ever a 56cm popped up I'd throw down for one! 
Dang it timing is everything. It's a beaut though.

~Hugh
  Los Angeles, CA

On Saturday, March 5, 2016 at 9:19:22 PM UTC-8, Chad wrote:
>
> https://kansascity.craigslist.org/bik/5459510887.html
>
> Not mine, but wow gorgeous frame!
>

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