Re: [RBW] Re: Pass and Stow recommendation

[James Copp]

Hey Clark,
Did you my reply I'm a separate thread?

James

On Wed, Apr 21, 2021 at 5:59 PM Clark Fitzgerald 
wrote:

> I have the 3 rail, and it's wonderful. The platform is a bit longer in
> front than the 5 rail. I found it works well for strapping a backpack.
>
> I'd be willing to sell mine, as I'm not using it much. It has a Schmidt
> Edelux II internally wired. Make me an offer. You can see it in this
> thread:
> https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/F2Xb1h39K4w/m/UfsHj7XBAgAJ
>
> Best,
> Clark
>
> On Monday, April 19, 2021 at 5:39:31 PM UTC-7 Friend wrote:
>
>> I am feeling ready to spend on a nice front rack for my Appaloosa.  I was
>> going to get the Pass and Stow and and am wondering if anyone has
>> experience with either the 3 rail or the 5 rail option.  I was leaning
>> towards the 5 rail option because it would better support a basket.  I'm
>> wondering if anyone found unexpected tradeoffs when they bought one or the
>> other and just trying to get some peace of mind before spending $280
>
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[RBW] Re: Pass and Stow recommendation

[Clark Fitzgerald]

I have the 3 rail, and it's wonderful. The platform is a bit longer in 
front than the 5 rail. I found it works well for strapping a backpack.

I'd be willing to sell mine, as I'm not using it much. It has a Schmidt 
Edelux II internally wired. Make me an offer. You can see it in this 
thread: 
https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/F2Xb1h39K4w/m/UfsHj7XBAgAJ

Best,
Clark

On Monday, April 19, 2021 at 5:39:31 PM UTC-7 Friend wrote:

> I am feeling ready to spend on a nice front rack for my Appaloosa.  I was 
> going to get the Pass and Stow and and am wondering if anyone has 
> experience with either the 3 rail or the 5 rail option.  I was leaning 
> towards the 5 rail option because it would better support a basket.  I'm 
> wondering if anyone found unexpected tradeoffs when they bought one or the 
> other and just trying to get some peace of mind before spending $280

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[RBW] Re: Pass and Stow recommendation

[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

Points made regarding bar placement vs. load location probably explains why 
I found no discernable handling difference with 25-30lb passenger in a stem 
mounted mini child seat (regardless whether with ChocoMoose, Jones loop, or 
BullMoose) but definitely felt the handling difference even with a 
moderately loaded Surly front rack on my Mega 65cm Clem and the original 
Bosco set-up.  I haven't actually had a front load on my Clem since trading 
away the Surly Rack but had been rethinking things again after recent use 
with a Wald large 139 basket on another bike (where I mix and matched Wald 
hardware from their giant delivery basket since I was able to find a 
mounting set complete with adjustable legs and the desired bar brackets.)

Anyway, I guess my point is that although my current set-up works fine, if 
not a bit wobbly because of the long drop from bar to basket and my mods to 
make it all work, I've been thinking how the Pass and Stow would likely be 
more rigid and also eliminate the need for bar bracket's altogether (which 
would play nice with some of my bar swapping tendencies that have begun to 
resurface after a couple years of practicing contentment.

This thread prompted me to quickly check the Pass sight for more 
accurate #'s and at $170 extra for my desired add ons ($140 for 3rail deck 
and $30 for the sidepull yoke) I'm clearly in 'why not just get a 
separate/second/dedicated rack?' territory if needing more than one front 
racked bike.  Guess my thinking is more in line that a one rack investment 
that could easily be adapted to go from one bike to another might be worth 
it if it eliminates the rest of the front racks and baskets I've been 
previously messing around with.

Best,
Brian Cole
Lawrenceville NJ

On Tuesday, April 20, 2021 at 4:11:20 PM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote:

> A good point was made about far-back bars and front loads - this has a 
> huge impact in my experience; the further your hands are from the load, the 
> worse it feels basically.  The 5-rail is great for bigger loads or a Wald 
> 139 basket (the bigger size), I'd go 3 rail for a 137 basket.  
>
>   

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[RBW] Re: Pass and Stow recommendation

[Jason Fuller]

A good point was made about far-back bars and front loads - this has a huge 
impact in my experience; the further your hands are from the load, the 
worse it feels basically.  The 5-rail is great for bigger loads or a Wald 
139 basket (the bigger size), I'd go 3 rail for a 137 basket.  

  

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[RBW] Re: Pass and Stow recommendation

[Bob Cook]

I add my vote of confidence for the 5-rail Pass and Stow. I had mine for 
several years on a Pugsley, carrying my winter commuting and shopping loads 
in a Porcelain Rocket x Monkey Wrench Cycles bag. The dynamo wiring 
accommodation is outstanding. Though useful, I found the setup on the 
Pugsley a bit cumbersome for anything but transport hauling.

I recently moved the rack to an Albatross'd 1993 Trek 950. Quite *unlike* 
on the Pugsley, the Trek handles beautifully with the rack. Unloaded or 
minimally loaded, I can ride no-handed as if the rack weren't there. A 
heavy grocery load slows the steering down considerably, but not 
unpleasantly.

I should add that, when I decided to move the rack from the Pugs to the 
Trek, Matt didn't have sets of spare legs listed on the Pass and Stow 
website. I e-mailed to inquire about purchasing the correct legs, and he 
got right back to me. I had the set of legs a couple weeks later. He also 
included a complete set of fresh hardware. Installation was a breeze.

If I had not sold my AHH several years ago to fund a custom, I think I 
would have a silver 5-rail rack on it now.

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On Monday, April 19, 2021 at 6:39:31 PM UTC-6 Friend wrote:

> I am feeling ready to spend on a nice front rack for my Appaloosa.  I was 
> going to get the Pass and Stow and and am wondering if anyone has 
> experience with either the 3 rail or the 5 rail option.  I was leaning 
> towards the 5 rail option because it would better support a basket.  I'm 
> wondering if anyone found unexpected tradeoffs when they bought one or the 
> other and just trying to get some peace of mind before spending $280

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[RBW] Re: Pass and Stow recommendation

[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

Why not both?  Easy to ask when discussing someone else's funds and I 
realize that... but I've long considered a Pass & Stow myself and seems 
he's now offering several add-ons and (depending on stock/lead times, of 
course) it looks like you could purchase, say, a 5 rail and add a 3 rail 
top.

I was most recently thinking of getting one mostly for my Clem but adding a 
side-pull and center pull yoke and say you could add a 3 rail deck only, 
though this tacks on another $100+ just for the deck, but I love the 
modular aspect that could serve different uses across a couple bikes as 
needed.

I still need to do some saving but planning for potential one rack to do it 
all investment.

Brian Cole
Lawrenceville NJ

On Monday, April 19, 2021 at 8:39:31 PM UTC-4 Friend wrote:

> I am feeling ready to spend on a nice front rack for my Appaloosa.  I was 
> going to get the Pass and Stow and and am wondering if anyone has 
> experience with either the 3 rail or the 5 rail option.  I was leaning 
> towards the 5 rail option because it would better support a basket.  I'm 
> wondering if anyone found unexpected tradeoffs when they bought one or the 
> other and just trying to get some peace of mind before spending $280

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