Re: [RBW] Re: Paul home polish

[George Schick]

To the question about clear coating a product after polishing:  after 
working it over with Simichrome polish as Laing says you can clear coat it 
with a couple of applications of Protectaclear using a foam "brush."  
Eventually this will wear off, too, and you will need to remove any 
residual coating with Xylene before re-polishing and re-coating.  I have a 
brass bell on one of my bikes that gets this treatment every so often and 
it holds up pretty well.

Oh, and I fully agree with Laing about the patina, beausage, and rusted.


On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 7:21:03 AM UTC-6 lconley wrote:

> You cannot paint polished parts and have the paint stick well - polishing 
> makes the surface too smooth for the paint to grip.
>
> In my mind. if you want silver, especially polished silver, any type of 
> coating beyond waxing defeats the whole purpose of polishing. Cleaning 
> polished parts is easy.
>
> Note that Velocity will polish rims before anodizing for an extra cost for 
> a very impressive colored finish.
>
> To me, patina is just another word for lazy and not maintained. Beausage 
> is another word for abused. Rusted is not "original". With a few 
> exceptions, nobody sells new rusted bikes.
>
> Laing
>
> On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 7:17:33 PM UTC-5 eliot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Can you get the finished product clear coated to help with longevity?
>>
>> How does Paul treat their factory polished version ?
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 1:03 PM lconley  wrote:
>>
>>> You are assuming that all anodized parts are available without 
>>> anodizing, which it not true for all parts. 
>>>
>>> Note that most colored anodizing is temporary also, the anodizing fades 
>>> over time. Easy and cheap to restore polished parts, anodized parts - not 
>>> so much.
>>>
>>> Black parts show wear and scratches much more than silver.
>>>
>>> Even the best silver/clear anodizing wears off. I have a well used 50 
>>> year old Campagnolo triple crank that has lost its anodizing in many 
>>> locations, I am sure glad that it isn't black, it would look awful.
>>>
>>> I would not consider polished aluminum parts high maintenance, many go 
>>> for years before needing a quick rub with Simichrome and then they are like 
>>> new.
>>>
>>> You want a high maintenance finish - I have a set of brass Honjo fenders 
>>> for you. One end of the fender tarnishes as you are polishing the other end.
>>>
>>> Laing
>>>
>>> On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 1:43:14 PM UTC-5 Philip Williamson wrote:
>>>

 I’m with Garth - if you’ve got anodized parts you’d like to make 
 silver… arrange a trade!

 Philip
  
 On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 7:29:05 AM UTC-8 Garth wrote:

> While I don't have any Paul brakes, over Life I've had plenty of 
> aluminum parts that were of a natural, untreated finish. You can polish 
> them all you like, but it doesn't last every long until they require more 
> polishing. The polishing is an attempt to seal the exterior, to create a 
> "buffer" from the elements, so to speak. It's high maintenance for sure 
> as 
> it's only temporary.  The durable hard anodizing manufacturers use is a 
> chemical process and as long they're not exposed to excessive corrosive 
> elements the finish remains indefinitely. Once that finish is removed, 
> there's no going back, they are back to their natural untreated state. A 
> sure way to tell the finish of any aluminum part is to rub it with a 
> clean 
> rag or even your hands as it will leave that telltale gray residue. 
>
> As far as I'm concerned if a part is finished black, or anodized a 
> dull silver, I leave it alone, or don't buy it in the first place if I 
> can't live it as purchased. There can be a few exceptions, notably if 
> it's 
> something tiny. Surely though, I see black and silver parts as 
> complimentary rather than conflicting. 
> On Saturday, January 21, 2023 at 6:41:43 PM UTC-5 brendonoid wrote:
>
>>
>> *"The other set of cantis are on a new build I just finished."*
>>
>> Whoa, hold up! What a teaser, I can't wait.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Paul home polish

[lconley]

You cannot paint polished parts and have the paint stick well - polishing 
makes the surface too smooth for the paint to grip.

In my mind. if you want silver, especially polished silver, any type of 
coating beyond waxing defeats the whole purpose of polishing. Cleaning 
polished parts is easy.

Note that Velocity will polish rims before anodizing for an extra cost for 
a very impressive colored finish.

To me, patina is just another word for lazy and not maintained. Beausage is 
another word for abused. Rusted is not "original". With a few exceptions, 
nobody sells new rusted bikes.

Laing

On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 7:17:33 PM UTC-5 eliot...@gmail.com wrote:

> Can you get the finished product clear coated to help with longevity?
>
> How does Paul treat their factory polished version ?
>
> On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 1:03 PM lconley  wrote:
>
>> You are assuming that all anodized parts are available without anodizing, 
>> which it not true for all parts. 
>>
>> Note that most colored anodizing is temporary also, the anodizing fades 
>> over time. Easy and cheap to restore polished parts, anodized parts - not 
>> so much.
>>
>> Black parts show wear and scratches much more than silver.
>>
>> Even the best silver/clear anodizing wears off. I have a well used 50 
>> year old Campagnolo triple crank that has lost its anodizing in many 
>> locations, I am sure glad that it isn't black, it would look awful.
>>
>> I would not consider polished aluminum parts high maintenance, many go 
>> for years before needing a quick rub with Simichrome and then they are like 
>> new.
>>
>> You want a high maintenance finish - I have a set of brass Honjo fenders 
>> for you. One end of the fender tarnishes as you are polishing the other end.
>>
>> Laing
>>
>> On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 1:43:14 PM UTC-5 Philip Williamson wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I’m with Garth - if you’ve got anodized parts you’d like to make silver… 
>>> arrange a trade!
>>>
>>> Philip
>>>  
>>> On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 7:29:05 AM UTC-8 Garth wrote:
>>>
 While I don't have any Paul brakes, over Life I've had plenty of 
 aluminum parts that were of a natural, untreated finish. You can polish 
 them all you like, but it doesn't last every long until they require more 
 polishing. The polishing is an attempt to seal the exterior, to create a 
 "buffer" from the elements, so to speak. It's high maintenance for sure as 
 it's only temporary.  The durable hard anodizing manufacturers use is a 
 chemical process and as long they're not exposed to excessive corrosive 
 elements the finish remains indefinitely. Once that finish is removed, 
 there's no going back, they are back to their natural untreated state. A 
 sure way to tell the finish of any aluminum part is to rub it with a clean 
 rag or even your hands as it will leave that telltale gray residue. 

 As far as I'm concerned if a part is finished black, or anodized a dull 
 silver, I leave it alone, or don't buy it in the first place if I can't 
 live it as purchased. There can be a few exceptions, notably if it's 
 something tiny. Surely though, I see black and silver parts as 
 complimentary rather than conflicting. 
 On Saturday, January 21, 2023 at 6:41:43 PM UTC-5 brendonoid wrote:

>
> *"The other set of cantis are on a new build I just finished."*
>
> Whoa, hold up! What a teaser, I can't wait.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Paul home polish

[Eric Marth]

Keith: They're not as good as the ones polished at Paul. Mine are good 
enough for me. Not sure why there's a slightly uneven surface (kinda 
pitted!) on the black ones. 

Brendon: Got the video roughed in today, it's about 75% done. 

Tom: See my link above to the previous thread on de-anodizing. 

Laing makes a good point, sometimes stuff isn't available in the finish you 
want. 

Also, Laing: The beauty of the brass is the deep patina! 

I already had the Paul brakes, purchased used. I was interested to learn a 
new process rather than purchase more parts. I much prefer the finish of a 
component that's gone from polished to dull rather than the dull/clear 
anodizing from Paul. And black parts aren't for me, though I picked some up 
years ago before my tastes and opinions had developed. For me it's not 
about having and maintaining a perfect finish. 

Eliot: You could likely clear coat or wax your parts to add a little 
resistance to the finish. If you call Paul and ask how they seal their 
polished parts I'm sure they'll tell you. With enough use and exposure all 
polished stuff dulls over time, hence this group and the iBOBs' interest in 
Simichrome and other metal polishes for older bicycle parts. 



On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 7:17:33 PM UTC-5 eliot...@gmail.com wrote:

> Can you get the finished product clear coated to help with longevity?
>
> How does Paul treat their factory polished version ?
>
> On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 1:03 PM lconley  wrote:
>
>> You are assuming that all anodized parts are available without anodizing, 
>> which it not true for all parts. 
>>
>> Note that most colored anodizing is temporary also, the anodizing fades 
>> over time. Easy and cheap to restore polished parts, anodized parts - not 
>> so much.
>>
>> Black parts show wear and scratches much more than silver.
>>
>> Even the best silver/clear anodizing wears off. I have a well used 50 
>> year old Campagnolo triple crank that has lost its anodizing in many 
>> locations, I am sure glad that it isn't black, it would look awful.
>>
>> I would not consider polished aluminum parts high maintenance, many go 
>> for years before needing a quick rub with Simichrome and then they are like 
>> new.
>>
>> You want a high maintenance finish - I have a set of brass Honjo fenders 
>> for you. One end of the fender tarnishes as you are polishing the other end.
>>
>> Laing
>>
>> On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 1:43:14 PM UTC-5 Philip Williamson wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I’m with Garth - if you’ve got anodized parts you’d like to make silver… 
>>> arrange a trade!
>>>
>>> Philip
>>>  
>>> On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 7:29:05 AM UTC-8 Garth wrote:
>>>
 While I don't have any Paul brakes, over Life I've had plenty of 
 aluminum parts that were of a natural, untreated finish. You can polish 
 them all you like, but it doesn't last every long until they require more 
 polishing. The polishing is an attempt to seal the exterior, to create a 
 "buffer" from the elements, so to speak. It's high maintenance for sure as 
 it's only temporary.  The durable hard anodizing manufacturers use is a 
 chemical process and as long they're not exposed to excessive corrosive 
 elements the finish remains indefinitely. Once that finish is removed, 
 there's no going back, they are back to their natural untreated state. A 
 sure way to tell the finish of any aluminum part is to rub it with a clean 
 rag or even your hands as it will leave that telltale gray residue. 

 As far as I'm concerned if a part is finished black, or anodized a dull 
 silver, I leave it alone, or don't buy it in the first place if I can't 
 live it as purchased. There can be a few exceptions, notably if it's 
 something tiny. Surely though, I see black and silver parts as 
 complimentary rather than conflicting. 
 On Saturday, January 21, 2023 at 6:41:43 PM UTC-5 brendonoid wrote:

>
> *"The other set of cantis are on a new build I just finished."*
>
> Whoa, hold up! What a teaser, I can't wait.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Paul home polish

[Eliot Balogh]

Can you get the finished product clear coated to help with longevity?

How does Paul treat their factory polished version ?

On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 1:03 PM lconley  wrote:

> You are assuming that all anodized parts are available without anodizing,
> which it not true for all parts.
>
> Note that most colored anodizing is temporary also, the anodizing fades
> over time. Easy and cheap to restore polished parts, anodized parts - not
> so much.
>
> Black parts show wear and scratches much more than silver.
>
> Even the best silver/clear anodizing wears off. I have a well used 50 year
> old Campagnolo triple crank that has lost its anodizing in many locations,
> I am sure glad that it isn't black, it would look awful.
>
> I would not consider polished aluminum parts high maintenance, many go for
> years before needing a quick rub with Simichrome and then they are like new.
>
> You want a high maintenance finish - I have a set of brass Honjo fenders
> for you. One end of the fender tarnishes as you are polishing the other end.
>
> Laing
>
> On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 1:43:14 PM UTC-5 Philip Williamson wrote:
>
>>
>> I’m with Garth - if you’ve got anodized parts you’d like to make silver…
>> arrange a trade!
>>
>> Philip
>>
>> On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 7:29:05 AM UTC-8 Garth wrote:
>>
>>> While I don't have any Paul brakes, over Life I've had plenty of
>>> aluminum parts that were of a natural, untreated finish. You can polish
>>> them all you like, but it doesn't last every long until they require more
>>> polishing. The polishing is an attempt to seal the exterior, to create a
>>> "buffer" from the elements, so to speak. It's high maintenance for sure as
>>> it's only temporary.  The durable hard anodizing manufacturers use is a
>>> chemical process and as long they're not exposed to excessive corrosive
>>> elements the finish remains indefinitely. Once that finish is removed,
>>> there's no going back, they are back to their natural untreated state. A
>>> sure way to tell the finish of any aluminum part is to rub it with a clean
>>> rag or even your hands as it will leave that telltale gray residue.
>>>
>>> As far as I'm concerned if a part is finished black, or anodized a dull
>>> silver, I leave it alone, or don't buy it in the first place if I can't
>>> live it as purchased. There can be a few exceptions, notably if it's
>>> something tiny. Surely though, I see black and silver parts as
>>> complimentary rather than conflicting.
>>> On Saturday, January 21, 2023 at 6:41:43 PM UTC-5 brendonoid wrote:
>>>

 *"The other set of cantis are on a new build I just finished."*

 Whoa, hold up! What a teaser, I can't wait.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Paul home polish

[lconley]

You are assuming that all anodized parts are available without anodizing, 
which it not true for all parts. 

Note that most colored anodizing is temporary also, the anodizing fades 
over time. Easy and cheap to restore polished parts, anodized parts - not 
so much.

Black parts show wear and scratches much more than silver.

Even the best silver/clear anodizing wears off. I have a well used 50 year 
old Campagnolo triple crank that has lost its anodizing in many locations, 
I am sure glad that it isn't black, it would look awful.

I would not consider polished aluminum parts high maintenance, many go for 
years before needing a quick rub with Simichrome and then they are like new.

You want a high maintenance finish - I have a set of brass Honjo fenders 
for you. One end of the fender tarnishes as you are polishing the other end.

Laing

On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 1:43:14 PM UTC-5 Philip Williamson wrote:

>
> I’m with Garth - if you’ve got anodized parts you’d like to make silver… 
> arrange a trade!
>
> Philip
>  
> On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 7:29:05 AM UTC-8 Garth wrote:
>
>> While I don't have any Paul brakes, over Life I've had plenty of aluminum 
>> parts that were of a natural, untreated finish. You can polish them all you 
>> like, but it doesn't last every long until they require more polishing. The 
>> polishing is an attempt to seal the exterior, to create a "buffer" from the 
>> elements, so to speak. It's high maintenance for sure as it's only 
>> temporary.  The durable hard anodizing manufacturers use is a chemical 
>> process and as long they're not exposed to excessive corrosive elements the 
>> finish remains indefinitely. Once that finish is removed, there's no going 
>> back, they are back to their natural untreated state. A sure way to tell 
>> the finish of any aluminum part is to rub it with a clean rag or even your 
>> hands as it will leave that telltale gray residue. 
>>
>> As far as I'm concerned if a part is finished black, or anodized a dull 
>> silver, I leave it alone, or don't buy it in the first place if I can't 
>> live it as purchased. There can be a few exceptions, notably if it's 
>> something tiny. Surely though, I see black and silver parts as 
>> complimentary rather than conflicting. 
>> On Saturday, January 21, 2023 at 6:41:43 PM UTC-5 brendonoid wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> *"The other set of cantis are on a new build I just finished."*
>>>
>>> Whoa, hold up! What a teaser, I can't wait.
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Paul home polish

[Philip Williamson]

I’m with Garth - if you’ve got anodized parts you’d like to make silver… 
arrange a trade!

Philip
 
On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 7:29:05 AM UTC-8 Garth wrote:

> While I don't have any Paul brakes, over Life I've had plenty of aluminum 
> parts that were of a natural, untreated finish. You can polish them all you 
> like, but it doesn't last every long until they require more polishing. The 
> polishing is an attempt to seal the exterior, to create a "buffer" from the 
> elements, so to speak. It's high maintenance for sure as it's only 
> temporary.  The durable hard anodizing manufacturers use is a chemical 
> process and as long they're not exposed to excessive corrosive elements the 
> finish remains indefinitely. Once that finish is removed, there's no going 
> back, they are back to their natural untreated state. A sure way to tell 
> the finish of any aluminum part is to rub it with a clean rag or even your 
> hands as it will leave that telltale gray residue. 
>
> As far as I'm concerned if a part is finished black, or anodized a dull 
> silver, I leave it alone, or don't buy it in the first place if I can't 
> live it as purchased. There can be a few exceptions, notably if it's 
> something tiny. Surely though, I see black and silver parts as 
> complimentary rather than conflicting. 
> On Saturday, January 21, 2023 at 6:41:43 PM UTC-5 brendonoid wrote:
>
>>
>> *"The other set of cantis are on a new build I just finished."*
>>
>> Whoa, hold up! What a teaser, I can't wait.
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Paul home polish

[Garth]

While I don't have any Paul brakes, over Life I've had plenty of aluminum 
parts that were of a natural, untreated finish. You can polish them all you 
like, but it doesn't last every long until they require more polishing. The 
polishing is an attempt to seal the exterior, to create a "buffer" from the 
elements, so to speak. It's high maintenance for sure as it's only 
temporary.  The durable hard anodizing manufacturers use is a chemical 
process and as long they're not exposed to excessive corrosive elements the 
finish remains indefinitely. Once that finish is removed, there's no going 
back, they are back to their natural untreated state. A sure way to tell 
the finish of any aluminum part is to rub it with a clean rag or even your 
hands as it will leave that telltale gray residue. 

As far as I'm concerned if a part is finished black, or anodized a dull 
silver, I leave it alone, or don't buy it in the first place if I can't 
live it as purchased. There can be a few exceptions, notably if it's 
something tiny. Surely though, I see black and silver parts as 
complimentary rather than conflicting. 
On Saturday, January 21, 2023 at 6:41:43 PM UTC-5 brendonoid wrote:

>
> *"The other set of cantis are on a new build I just finished."*
>
> Whoa, hold up! What a teaser, I can't wait.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Paul home polish

[Tom Norton]

I have the Touring brakes that I would like to make shiney. How did you  
remove the  anodized?

Tom

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>
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>
> Whoa, hold up! What a teaser, I can't wait.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Paul home polish

[brendonoid]

*"The other set of cantis are on a new build I just finished."*

Whoa, hold up! What a teaser, I can't wait.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Paul home polish

[Keith Paugh]

I’ve been meaning to ask how you think they compare to the Paul’s Polished.

Yours seem to be slightly more matte than paul’s? (in a better way)

k.

> On Jan 21, 2023, at 2:50 PM, Eric Marth  wrote:
> 
> Hi Eliot — Maybe I'll get out the big camera and share some pics tomorrow. 
> Looking nice and smooth to my liking, if a bit dirty. Definitely still prefer 
> it over the original dull silver finish. 
> 
> If anyone's curious, we discussed stripping and de-anodizing in another 
> thread here: 
> https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/yiTONeLDy14/m/Som_xgu_AwAJ
> 
> And here's a picture of the parts after I de-anodized and polished. One set 
> of neo-retros, touring cantis and moon units were black. The other 
> neo-retros, touring cantis, levers and moon units were Paul "silver" or dull 
> anodized. 
> 
> Levers and one full set of brakes are on my Appaloosa. The other set of 
> cantis are on a new build I just finished. 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Saturday, January 21, 2023 at 4:39:59 PM UTC-5 eliot...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Eric, how are your home polished Paul’s holding up?
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