Re: [RBW] Re: Perennial "Can you still get a Legolas?" question

2017-07-15 Thread Leslie 
Ok, so, awhile back, I was seriously considering getting a Legolas, was 
talking to Mark about it, it was right when they decided to have Nobilette 
build them and the price jumped, so I hesitated, then came across a 
canti-Romulus, picked it up instead.Now, I'm not saying that a 
canti-Rom is the same thing as a Legolas, but, it was awfully close, and 
met my needs at the time.   Very similar tubing I think, both have 
canti-brakes...  the geometry has some differences (for my size on a 59 the 
canti-Rom has a 72-deg-seat-tube-angle, a 73-deg-head-tube-angle, and a 
77mm BB drop; the Legolas has a 73-deg-ST and a 72.5-deg-HT, and a 70-drop; 
the rear on the Rom is 132.5-wide, the Leg is 130; the chainstay was the 
same at 44, the top-tube was only 0.5cm longer on the Leg, the fork rake is 
4.25 on the canti-Rom and 4.5 on the Leg).Anyway, point being, they're 
not the same bike, but they're awfully similar.

I am running MSO's, they're a 40mm tire. I have no spare clearance.  If I 
overinflate, the rear tire will start to rub the braze-on on the underneath 
of the stay between the seatstays 
(https://www.flickr.com/photos/leslie_bright/16190324065/in/album-72157623199721925/).
 
  I have to ensure I don't have too much air in the rear tire to keep it 
from rubbing.I should probably downsize my tires, but I really like the 
MSO's, really don't want to switch, so, I've left it alone for now.   (For 
safety's sake, I wouldn't recommend it to anyone, would want to avoid such 
liability, etc YMMV)

 

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[RBW] Re: Perennial "Can you still get a Legolas?" question

2017-07-11 Thread RJM 
Interesting. I did not realize you could still get a Legolas. 

Man, I could totally see getting a Legolas for cyclocross racing if it has 
the right geometry for it, and it should since it is a cyclocross bike. 
Man, honestly, I would love a purple Legolas set up for racing...I would 
sell my Kona Jake the Snake for that. 

Hmmm, this has my wheels turning now. My wife isn't going to like this.



On Monday, June 26, 2017 at 1:18:59 PM UTC-5, John G. wrote:

> Last I heard, you could still get a Legolas, but at custom prices. I also 
> heard that the main difference between the Legolas and the Roadeo are in 
> the beefiness of the chainstays (and cantis vs calipers).
>
> Is this all still true?
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Re: [RBW] Re: Perennial "Can you still get a Legolas?" question

2017-07-07 Thread Joe Bunik 
My experience concurs with Jim's - we both have/had 1st-gen Legolai,
and BG RnR's just won't clear the (classic pinch point!) chainstays.

I'm currently running (RBW-sourced) Continental CrossRide 700x42's -
which are just at the limits but have served well on local fireroads
in both wet and dry conditions.

=- Joe Bunik
Walnut Creek, CA


On 7/7/17, Jim M.  wrote:
> BG Rock 'n Roads were a little wide for my Legolas, but I had various
> smooth and knobby 38s on it. Roadeo, I believe, maxes out at 35.
>
> jim m
>
> On Friday, July 7, 2017 at 1:29:58 PM UTC-7, Rod Holland wrote:
>>
>> Speaking of future considerations: does anyone feel confident they know
>> what the tire clearances are for each? With/without fenders? Reading the
>> material on-line has left me a little fuzzy about that...
>>
>> rod
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 27, 2017 at 3:36:34 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>> Thank you for this; I'll put it in the archives for future reference --
>>> for the probably very distant future when I might afford one of them.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 1:20 PM, Jim M.  wrote:
>>>
 On Monday, June 26, 2017 at 12:47:13 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Doesn't the Roadeo, at least in the non-huge sizes, use the same or
> similar 7-4-7 tubing? This came up recently ...
>
> The Legolas and Roadeo have the same tubing for top and seat tubes,
 fork blades and chain stays. The Legolas downtube is slightly heavier
 at .7/.5/.7 vs .65/.45/65 for the Roadeo.  I got this from Mark showing

 me the specs sent to the builder.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Perennial "Can you still get a Legolas?" question

2017-07-07 Thread Bill Lindsay 
When you order your Legolas you will spec your tire clearance within reason.  
If you need something so wide that it's no longer a Legolas at all, you will be 
ordering a full custom. I think multiple folks have bought a Legolas for 45's. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Perennial "Can you still get a Legolas?" question

2017-07-07 Thread Jim M. 
BG Rock 'n Roads were a little wide for my Legolas, but I had various 
smooth and knobby 38s on it. Roadeo, I believe, maxes out at 35.

jim m

On Friday, July 7, 2017 at 1:29:58 PM UTC-7, Rod Holland wrote:
>
> Speaking of future considerations: does anyone feel confident they know 
> what the tire clearances are for each? With/without fenders? Reading the 
> material on-line has left me a little fuzzy about that...
>
> rod
>
> On Tuesday, June 27, 2017 at 3:36:34 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> Thank you for this; I'll put it in the archives for future reference -- 
>> for the probably very distant future when I might afford one of them.
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 1:20 PM, Jim M.  wrote:
>>
>>> On Monday, June 26, 2017 at 12:47:13 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:

 Doesn't the Roadeo, at least in the non-huge sizes, use the same or 
 similar 7-4-7 tubing? This came up recently ...

 The Legolas and Roadeo have the same tubing for top and seat tubes, 
>>> fork blades and chain stays. The Legolas downtube is slightly heavier 
>>> at .7/.5/.7 vs .65/.45/65 for the Roadeo.  I got this from Mark showing 
>>> me the specs sent to the builder.
>>>
>>> jim m
>>> walnut creek, ca
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Re: [RBW] Re: Perennial "Can you still get a Legolas?" question

2017-07-07 Thread Rod Holland 
Speaking of future considerations: does anyone feel confident they know 
what the tire clearances are for each? With/without fenders? Reading the 
material on-line has left me a little fuzzy about that...

rod

On Tuesday, June 27, 2017 at 3:36:34 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Thank you for this; I'll put it in the archives for future reference -- 
> for the probably very distant future when I might afford one of them.
>
> On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 1:20 PM, Jim M.  
> wrote:
>
>> On Monday, June 26, 2017 at 12:47:13 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>> Doesn't the Roadeo, at least in the non-huge sizes, use the same or 
>>> similar 7-4-7 tubing? This came up recently ...
>>>
>>> The Legolas and Roadeo have the same tubing for top and seat tubes, 
>> fork blades and chain stays. The Legolas downtube is slightly heavier 
>> at .7/.5/.7 vs .65/.45/65 for the Roadeo.  I got this from Mark showing 
>> me the specs sent to the builder.
>>
>> jim m
>> walnut creek, ca
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Re: [RBW] Re: Perennial "Can you still get a Legolas?" question

2017-06-27 Thread Patrick Moore 
Thank you for this; I'll put it in the archives for future reference -- for
the probably very distant future when I might afford one of them.

On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 1:20 PM, Jim M.  wrote:

> On Monday, June 26, 2017 at 12:47:13 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> Doesn't the Roadeo, at least in the non-huge sizes, use the same or
>> similar 7-4-7 tubing? This came up recently ...
>>
>> The Legolas and Roadeo have the same tubing for top and seat tubes,
> fork blades and chain stays. The Legolas downtube is slightly heavier
> at .7/.5/.7 vs .65/.45/65 for the Roadeo.  I got this from Mark showing me
> the specs sent to the builder.
>
> jim m
> walnut creek, ca
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Re: [RBW] Re: Perennial "Can you still get a Legolas?" question

2017-06-27 Thread Jim M. 
On Monday, June 26, 2017 at 12:47:13 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Doesn't the Roadeo, at least in the non-huge sizes, use the same or 
> similar 7-4-7 tubing? This came up recently ...
>
> The Legolas and Roadeo have the same tubing for top and seat tubes, 
fork blades and chain stays. The Legolas downtube is slightly heavier 
at .7/.5/.7 vs .65/.45/65 for the Roadeo.  I got this from Mark showing me 
the specs sent to the builder.

jim m
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Re: [RBW] Re: Perennial "Can you still get a Legolas?" question

2017-06-26 Thread Patrick Moore 
Doesn't the Roadeo, at least in the non-huge sizes, use the same or similar
7-4-7 tubing? This came up recently ...

Can anyone comment on handling and tire-acceptance differences?

I'd like a Legolas just to have the nice name on the down tube! Much nicer
than Roadeo, tho' "Roadeo" wouldn't stop me from buying the bike it names.

On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 1:07 PM, Ryan Fleming 
wrote:

> I believe $3000that is without a Joe Bell paint job but built by Mark
> Nobilette. Similar situation for Glorius and probably Wilbury. But I can't
> offer any opinion about Roadeo vs Legolas tubing except that  riding them
> loaded is not recommended ; lighter tubing is used than on their other bikes
>
>
> On Monday, June 26, 2017 at 1:41:09 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> Yes you can still get a Legolas.  I conversed with Mark Abele about it
>> recently.  At that time, Mark indicated to me that it would be build by
>> Nobillette, but since the design is completely done, the price was hundreds
>> less than a custom.
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Monday, June 26, 2017 at 11:18:59 AM UTC-7, John G. wrote:
>>>
>>> Last I heard, you could still get a Legolas, but at custom prices. I
>>> also heard that the main difference between the Legolas and the Roadeo are
>>> in the beefiness of the chainstays (and cantis vs calipers).
>>>
>>> Is this all still true?
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Perennial "Can you still get a Legolas?" question

2017-06-26 Thread Ryan Fleming 
I believe $3000that is without a Joe Bell paint job but built by Mark 
Nobilette. Similar situation for Glorius and probably Wilbury. But I can't 
offer any opinion about Roadeo vs Legolas tubing except that  riding them 
loaded is not recommended ; lighter tubing is used than on their other bikes

On Monday, June 26, 2017 at 1:41:09 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Yes you can still get a Legolas.  I conversed with Mark Abele about it 
> recently.  At that time, Mark indicated to me that it would be build by 
> Nobillette, but since the design is completely done, the price was hundreds 
> less than a custom.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Monday, June 26, 2017 at 11:18:59 AM UTC-7, John G. wrote:
>>
>> Last I heard, you could still get a Legolas, but at custom prices. I also 
>> heard that the main difference between the Legolas and the Roadeo are in 
>> the beefiness of the chainstays (and cantis vs calipers).
>>
>> Is this all still true?
>>
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[RBW] Re: Perennial "Can you still get a Legolas?" question

2017-06-26 Thread Bill Lindsay 
Yes you can still get a Legolas.  I conversed with Mark Abele about it 
recently.  At that time, Mark indicated to me that it would be build by 
Nobillette, but since the design is completely done, the price was hundreds 
less than a custom.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Monday, June 26, 2017 at 11:18:59 AM UTC-7, John G. wrote:
>
> Last I heard, you could still get a Legolas, but at custom prices. I also 
> heard that the main difference between the Legolas and the Roadeo are in 
> the beefiness of the chainstays (and cantis vs calipers).
>
> Is this all still true?
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