Re: [RBW] Re: Prayers for all effected by violence

[Jim Bronson]

Maybe everyone should ride bikes.  They'd probably be a lot happier.

On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 8:57 AM, Eddie Flayer  wrote:
> more than 75% of the voting population is in favor of stricter laws. we must
> have a truly representative democracy.
>
> On Thursday, December 3, 2015 at 6:54:00 AM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> I often pray the rosary as I ride, and especially now for all effected by
>> violence. Paris, Colorado Springs, Redlands/San Bernardino. May all hearts
>> turn to peace beyond all understanding.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
>> www.OurHolyConception.org
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[RBW] Re: Prayers for all effected by violence

[Ron Mc]

our founding fathers designed our republic so that population centers would 
not be able to dictate to the agrarian expanse, though their design 
continues to be chipped away 

nor that questionably accurate polls could create legislation (polls are 
simply representations and inherently skewed by the people who answer them) 

really a shame this thread has gone this way

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Re: [RBW] Re: Prayers for all effected by violence

[Ron Mc]

I don't think any one perp has ever ridden a bike to and from an act of 
violence

On Friday, December 4, 2015 at 9:00:13 AM UTC-6, Jim Bronson wrote:
>
> Maybe everyone should ride bikes.  They'd probably be a lot happier. 
>
>
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RE: [RBW] Re: Prayers for all effected by violence

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

"The list isn't super welcoming with different opinions"?

Not my experience.  Even on OT topics.

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Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Prayers for all effected by violence

I hate to offer a counterpoint as I am well aware that the list isn't super 
welcoming with differing opinions.

California has some of the toughest gun control laws in the nation, what change 
did you want?
I would much rather request my legislator abolish "gun-free zones" so
that I am legally allowed to protect myself and my family.And by
expansion, other peoples families as well.


On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 8:24 AM, tdusky <tdu...@comcast.net> wrote:
> All the prayers can't pass gun control laws. Call or write your 
> legislator and demand change.
>
> On Thursday, December 3, 2015 at 9:54:00 AM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> I often pray the rosary as I ride, and especially now for all 
>> effected by violence. Paris, Colorado Springs, Redlands/San 
>> Bernardino. May all hearts turn to peace beyond all understanding.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
>> www.OurHolyConception.org
>>
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[RBW] Re: Prayers for all effected by violence

[Eddie Flayer]

more than 75% of the voting population is in favor of stricter laws. we 
must have a truly representative democracy.

On Thursday, December 3, 2015 at 6:54:00 AM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> I often pray the rosary as I ride, and especially now for all effected by 
> violence. Paris, Colorado Springs, Redlands/San Bernardino. May all hearts 
> turn to peace beyond all understanding. 
>
> With abandon, 
> Patrick 
>
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org 
> www.OurHolyConception.org 
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Prayers for all effected by violence

[Jeff Lesperance]

On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 10:30 AM, Scott Henry  wrote:

> Really, try the mentioned helmet topics.   Which I cant stand wearing
> by the way.
> Or the merits of any bike with carbon?
>
> Other than the CR, this list is the most singularly minded.
>

Right, my mistake, I should have referenced other things we can certainly
all agree on, e.g. politics, abortion, etc... surely all of us on this list
who are here to talk about Riv bikes and bike lifestyle came here to agree
with each other on these other highly-related topics.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Prayers for all effected by violence

[Jeff Lesperance]

Can't we return to civil discourse over something we can all agree on, like
proper helmet usage and requirements?

On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 10:16 AM, Allingham II, Thomas J <
thomas.alling...@skadden.com> wrote:

> "The list isn't super welcoming with different opinions"?
>
> Not my experience.  Even on OT topics.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:
> rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Henry
> Sent: Friday, December 04, 2015 9:16 AM
> To: Riv List
> Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Prayers for all effected by violence
>
> I hate to offer a counterpoint as I am well aware that the list isn't
> super welcoming with differing opinions.
>
> California has some of the toughest gun control laws in the nation, what
> change did you want?
> I would much rather request my legislator abolish "gun-free zones" so
> that I am legally allowed to protect myself and my family.And by
> expansion, other peoples families as well.
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 8:24 AM, tdusky <tdu...@comcast.net> wrote:
> > All the prayers can't pass gun control laws. Call or write your
> > legislator and demand change.
> >
> > On Thursday, December 3, 2015 at 9:54:00 AM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
> >>
> >> I often pray the rosary as I ride, and especially now for all
> >> effected by violence. Paris, Colorado Springs, Redlands/San
> >> Bernardino. May all hearts turn to peace beyond all understanding.
> >>
> >> With abandon,
> >> Patrick
> >>
> >> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
> >> www.OurHolyConception.org
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[RBW] Re: Prayers for all effected by violence

[Eddie Flayer]

status quo is good since it constantly feeds the 24 hour news cycle until 
you want to puke.

On Thursday, December 3, 2015 at 6:54:00 AM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> I often pray the rosary as I ride, and especially now for all effected by 
> violence. Paris, Colorado Springs, Redlands/San Bernardino. May all hearts 
> turn to peace beyond all understanding. 
>
> With abandon, 
> Patrick 
>
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org 
> www.OurHolyConception.org 
>
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[RBW] Re: Prayers for all effected by violence

[Deacon Patrick]

Och! Kids, kids, kids, kids, kids.

1. Prayer in no way excludes action. Quite the opposite. It inherently 
leads to better action.
2. This is not the place to discuss what that action should be. Please 
don't.

Feel free to put this thread out of our misery if it needs it, Jim.

With abandon,
Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Re: Prayers for all effected by violence

[Scott Henry]

Really, try the mentioned helmet topics.   Which I cant stand wearing
by the way.
Or the merits of any bike with carbon?

Other than the CR, this list is the most singularly minded.

Love the bikes, ride the bikes.   Though I must be different most most
other cyclists in just about every single one of my beliefs.

On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 10:16 AM, Allingham II, Thomas J
<thomas.alling...@skadden.com> wrote:
> "The list isn't super welcoming with different opinions"?
>
> Not my experience.  Even on OT topics.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Henry
> Sent: Friday, December 04, 2015 9:16 AM
> To: Riv List
> Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Prayers for all effected by violence
>
> I hate to offer a counterpoint as I am well aware that the list isn't super 
> welcoming with differing opinions.
>
> California has some of the toughest gun control laws in the nation, what 
> change did you want?
> I would much rather request my legislator abolish "gun-free zones" so
> that I am legally allowed to protect myself and my family.And by
> expansion, other peoples families as well.
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 8:24 AM, tdusky <tdu...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> All the prayers can't pass gun control laws. Call or write your
>> legislator and demand change.
>>
>> On Thursday, December 3, 2015 at 9:54:00 AM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>>
>>> I often pray the rosary as I ride, and especially now for all
>>> effected by violence. Paris, Colorado Springs, Redlands/San
>>> Bernardino. May all hearts turn to peace beyond all understanding.
>>>
>>> With abandon,
>>> Patrick
>>>
>>> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
>>> www.OurHolyConception.org
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Prayers for all effected by violence

[Hugh Smitham]

Nothing wrong with the topic. Just be the respectfully folks that we all
are. Above all think before you post and be respectful & tolerant.

Tail Winds,

~Hugh
On Dec 4, 2015 7:49 AM, "stevef"  wrote:

> "If?"  This thread should've never been started.
>
> On Friday, December 4, 2015 at 10:10:47 AM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> Och! Kids, kids, kids, kids, kids.
>>
>> 1. Prayer in no way excludes action. Quite the opposite. It inherently
>> leads to better action.
>> 2. This is not the place to discuss what that action should be. Please
>> don't.
>>
>> Feel free to put this thread out of our misery if it needs it, Jim.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
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Re: [RBW] Re: Prayers for all effected by violence

[Steve Palincsar]

I think it's time for the list owner to end this.

On 12/04/2015 09:16 AM, Scott Henry wrote:

I hate to offer a counterpoint as I am well aware that the list isn't
super welcoming with differing opinions.

California has some of the toughest gun control laws in the nation,
what change did you want?
I would much rather request my legislator abolish "gun-free zones" so
that I am legally allowed to protect myself and my family.And by
expansion, other peoples families as well.


On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 8:24 AM, tdusky  wrote:

All the prayers can't pass gun control laws. Call or write your legislator
and demand change.

On Thursday, December 3, 2015 at 9:54:00 AM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:

I often pray the rosary as I ride, and especially now for all effected by
violence. Paris, Colorado Springs, Redlands/San Bernardino. May all hearts
turn to peace beyond all understanding.

With abandon,
Patrick

www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
www.OurHolyConception.org


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[RBW] Re: Prayers for all effected by violence

[tdusky]

All the prayers can't pass gun control laws. Call or write your 
legislator and demand change.

On Thursday, December 3, 2015 at 9:54:00 AM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> I often pray the rosary as I ride, and especially now for all effected by 
> violence. Paris, Colorado Springs, Redlands/San Bernardino. May all hearts 
> turn to peace beyond all understanding. 
>
> With abandon, 
> Patrick 
>
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org 
> www.OurHolyConception.org 
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Prayers for all effected by violence

[David Hallerman]

What change do we want?

Well, since guns cross borders easily within the United States, I want a 
combination of national-level gun registration (a "well-regulated" 
situation, just as the Constitution calls for) and national-level gun 
control, which would be a limit to how many guns any individual or 
household can have.


Will that solve everything?
Of course not.
Just increases the odds of fewer gun deaths.

Dave, who brings this back to cycling by saying similarly that helmets 
do not solve everything but just increase the odds of fewer accident deaths


On 12/4/15 9:16 AM, Scott Henry wrote:

I hate to offer a counterpoint as I am well aware that the list isn't
super welcoming with differing opinions.

California has some of the toughest gun control laws in the nation,
what change did you want?


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Re: [RBW] Re: Prayers for all effected by violence

[Scott Henry]

I hate to offer a counterpoint as I am well aware that the list isn't
super welcoming with differing opinions.

California has some of the toughest gun control laws in the nation,
what change did you want?
I would much rather request my legislator abolish "gun-free zones" so
that I am legally allowed to protect myself and my family.And by
expansion, other peoples families as well.


On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 8:24 AM, tdusky  wrote:
> All the prayers can't pass gun control laws. Call or write your legislator
> and demand change.
>
> On Thursday, December 3, 2015 at 9:54:00 AM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> I often pray the rosary as I ride, and especially now for all effected by
>> violence. Paris, Colorado Springs, Redlands/San Bernardino. May all hearts
>> turn to peace beyond all understanding.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
>> www.OurHolyConception.org
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[RBW] Re: Prayers for all effected by violence

[Garth]

 Peace needs and knows no petition .  Peace is not something to be 
gained or lost, brought out or covered up, created or destroyed, nor 
subject to any-thing or any-one. 

   
   Peace is native to OneSelf . .   .   .  and prayer is consciousness of 
no other and none else. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Prayers for all effected by violence

[Eric Norris]

Actually, the Deacon is “sardonic”:

"disdainfully or skeptically humorous :  derisively mocking” (from 
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sardonic 
 )

I’ll give Patrick the benefit of the doubt that he is not “derisively mocking” 
us … https://youtu.be/G2y8Sx4B2Sk  

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> On Dec 4, 2015, at 8:48 AM, Philip Kim  wrote:
> 
> For someone who usually posts with a joking/sarcastic *grin* in his posts, it 
> was nice for Deacon to show candor in empathy and concern for recent events 
> that have happened. The original post was fine, somehow, this tribute turned 
> into political debate.
> 
> On Friday, December 4, 2015 at 11:26:44 AM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote:
> sarcasm transliterates as "putrefying thought" - it's insulting to begin 
> with, but gets worse with time.  Anyone you care for, don't do it to them.  
> 
> The spirit of Deac's post was good.  The political issues behind the murders 
> don't need to be discussed here, but they certainly have nothing to do with 
> firearms legislation.  
> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Prayers for all effected by violence

[Philip Kim]

For someone who usually posts with a joking/sarcastic *grin* in his posts, 
it was nice for Deacon to show candor in empathy and concern for recent 
events that have happened. The original post was fine, somehow, this 
tribute turned into political debate.

On Friday, December 4, 2015 at 11:26:44 AM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> sarcasm transliterates as "putrefying thought" - it's insulting to begin 
> with, but gets worse with time.  Anyone you care for, don't do it to them.  
>
> The spirit of Deac's post was good.  The political issues behind the 
> murders don't need to be discussed here, but they certainly have nothing to 
> do with firearms legislation.  
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Prayers for all effected by violence

[Ron Mc]

sarcasm transliterates as "putrefying thought" - it's insulting to begin 
with, but gets worse with time.  Anyone you care for, don't do it to them.  

The spirit of Deac's post was good.  The political issues behind the 
murders don't need to be discussed here, but they certainly have nothing to 
do with firearms legislation.  
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Prayers for all effected by violence

[Patrick Moore]

If you pray while riding a Rivendell and in time to your cadence, I think
it is perfectly on topic.

On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 11:53 AM, Kieran J  wrote:

> I move that we form a committee to hunt down and bring to justice those
> who attempt to discuss things other than which falls under the Riv lexicon!
>
> Penalties to infractors will include fraying their cable ends, poking
> pinholes in their merino knits, and [gasp] imposing sanctions on tires
> wider than 25mm (!)
>
> No exceptions!!
>
> You've been warned ... (sardonic grin for Deac)
>
> KJ
>
>
> On Friday, December 4, 2015 at 1:35:15 PM UTC-5, Glen wrote:
>>
>> Actually there is something wrong with the topic, as it states at the top
>> of this page "*RBW Owners Bunch - Dedicated to the discussion of
>> Rivendell Bicycles and products*"
>>
>> While some may say that Rivendell is a religion/cult, this is not the
>> place to discuss religion, politics or guns you can do that everywhere else
>> on the internet.
>>
>> On Friday, December 4, 2015 at 9:04:24 AM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
>>>
>>> Nothing wrong with the topic. Just be the respectfully folks that we all
>>> are. Above all think before you post and be respectful & tolerant.
>>>
>>> Tail Winds,
>>>
>>> ~Hugh
>>> On Dec 4, 2015 7:49 AM, "stevef"  wrote:
>>>
 "If?"  This thread should've never been started.

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[RBW] Re: Prayers for all effected by violence

[Eddie Flayer]

Grant should write a book: Pray, ride, eat bacon.

On Thursday, December 3, 2015 at 6:54:00 AM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> I often pray the rosary as I ride, and especially now for all effected by 
> violence. Paris, Colorado Springs, Redlands/San Bernardino. May all hearts 
> turn to peace beyond all understanding. 
>
> With abandon, 
> Patrick 
>
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org 
> www.OurHolyConception.org 
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Prayers for all effected by violence

[Kieran J]

I move that we form a committee to hunt down and bring to justice those who 
attempt to discuss things other than which falls under the Riv lexicon!

Penalties to infractors will include fraying their cable ends, poking 
pinholes in their merino knits, and [gasp] imposing sanctions on tires 
wider than 25mm (!)

No exceptions!! 

You've been warned ... (sardonic grin for Deac)

KJ


On Friday, December 4, 2015 at 1:35:15 PM UTC-5, Glen wrote:
>
> Actually there is something wrong with the topic, as it states at the top 
> of this page "*RBW Owners Bunch - Dedicated to the discussion of 
> Rivendell Bicycles and products*"
>
> While some may say that Rivendell is a religion/cult, this is not the 
> place to discuss religion, politics or guns you can do that everywhere else 
> on the internet.
>
> On Friday, December 4, 2015 at 9:04:24 AM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
>>
>> Nothing wrong with the topic. Just be the respectfully folks that we all 
>> are. Above all think before you post and be respectful & tolerant. 
>>
>> Tail Winds,
>>
>> ~Hugh
>> On Dec 4, 2015 7:49 AM, "stevef"  wrote:
>>
>>> "If?"  This thread should've never been started.
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Prayers for all effected by violence

[Kieran J]

Amen to that. 

If and when the manure really hits the ventilator in 'Merica, y'all are 
welcome up here in Canuck Nation. We do have some racism and backwards 
thinking, but thankfully no high-powered weaponry :-\

KJ


On Thursday, December 3, 2015 at 9:54:00 AM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> I often pray the rosary as I ride, and especially now for all effected by 
> violence. Paris, Colorado Springs, Redlands/San Bernardino. May all hearts 
> turn to peace beyond all understanding. 
>
> With abandon, 
> Patrick 
>
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org 
> www.OurHolyConception.org 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Prayers for all effected by violence

[Ron Mc]

Every time I see an adult on a bicycle, I no longer despair for the future 
of the human race.

H. G. Wells 

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[RBW] Re: Prayers for all effected by violence

[Justin August]

I appreciate the sentiment and let's make phone calls, write letters and tell 
the folks who can protect us with regulations and laws that we want them to 
protect us. If you want change then demand it. 

-J

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[RBW] Re: Prayers for all effected by violence

[hsmitham]

Yes, let's pray for all involved in these senseless horrors. 

Tail Winds,

~Hugh

On Thursday, December 3, 2015 at 6:54:00 AM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> I often pray the rosary as I ride, and especially now for all effected by 
> violence. Paris, Colorado Springs, Redlands/San Bernardino. May all hearts 
> turn to peace beyond all understanding. 
>
> With abandon, 
> Patrick 
>
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org 
> www.OurHolyConception.org 
>
>

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