[RBW] Re: Question about wide tire fit on 700c rims

2019-10-29 Thread The Snag
This group is the best, pulled my tire back out and had it mounted back up 
in a minute using these tips. As everyone said, having the bead in the 
channel seems to be the most important thing. The other tip I found really 
useful from the video was placing the rim on the ground and squeezing the 
bead in from the top to the bottom, my tire/rim combo is extra tight so I 
still had to use a tire lever but it got the job done. 

Glad to hear this is a common thing and not just me being a kookmisery 
loves company! 

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[RBW] Re: Question about wide tire fit on 700c rims

2019-10-29 Thread tuolumne bikes
Also, since the valve stem takes up the channel, start removal and end 
installation at the stem, so the bead can be in the channel.

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[RBW] Re: Question about wide tire fit on 700c rims

2019-10-29 Thread tuolumne bikes
I went through this with the first tire changes on the Cliffhangers. The bead 
really really really has to be in the center channel. I cut some 1/4 inch nylon 
tubing into 1 1/2 inch lengths and put them in the bag with the spare tube. 
Stick them between the bead and the rim at various spots around the rim to 
force the bead into the channel. I don't use them anymore--I gotten the hang of 
it, but they're still in the tool bag for some frozen frustrating morning.They 
don't weigh much.

The foolproof way to stop fighting with the tire going back onto the shelf 
(tight part of rim) is to get the air out and lay the wheel flat, push the tire 
down around the full cicumference and let gravity keep it in the channel while 
you work with the tire irons.

Carl

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[RBW] Re: Question about wide tire fit on 700c rims

2019-10-29 Thread John Phillips
And I run my Cliffhangers rims with tubes.

John

On Tuesday, October 29, 2019 at 6:04:59 AM UTC-7, John Phillips wrote:
>
> When mounting tires on my Cliffhanger rims, I found using 
> Crankbrothers Speedier Tire levers made the job much easier. Each Speedier 
> lever has an end for removing and an end for mounting a tire. The mounting 
> end stays clipped to the rim and allows you to check that the bead is still 
> centered or rest while the bead you are mounting stretches a bit. 
>
> On my Atlas rims, I use Pedro's levers.
>
> John
>

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[RBW] Re: Question about wide tire fit on 700c rims

2019-10-29 Thread John Phillips
When mounting tires on my Cliffhanger rims, I found using Crankbrothers 
Speedier Tire levers made the job much easier. Each Speedier lever has an 
end for removing and an end for mounting a tire. The mounting end stays 
clipped to the rim and allows you to check that the bead is still centered 
or rest while the bead you are mounting stretches a bit. 

On my Atlas rims, I use Pedro's levers.

John

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[RBW] Re: Question about wide tire fit on 700c rims

2019-10-29 Thread PaulS
I don’t break the other side of the bead. Just the one side. 
When at home, I have a bottle of soapy water I spray on the rim to help it seat 
easier. If out on the road, I’d squirt some water in there. 

Also, tubeless tape is almost mandatory. Just get a roll of 3M 8898 from 
various sources. 

https://www.truckerco.com/product-page/tubeless-rim-tape-19mm-x-50m-roll-1

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[RBW] Re: Question about wide tire fit on 700c rims

2019-10-29 Thread Garth

The vid . such is the goo-gle non-edit non-feature here. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvvXrlAUUfU

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[RBW] Re: Question about wide tire fit on 700c rims

2019-10-29 Thread Garth


Apparently it's in the design of some tubeless rims. This is what the 
possibly new rim mentioned by GP is about, working with the mfr. on a rim 
that is still tubeless but not a pita to install/remove tires.  

Watch this vid, there are some useful tips here, namely the part about 
making sure to place the first bead into the center channel where the 
diameter is smallest. Also, rim tape thickness. I now use basic 3/4 " 3M 
strapping tape, it's the thinnest material you're going to find and it's 
very very strong.One single layer. It must be *strapping tape*, the kind 
with nylon cords in it. 






On Monday, October 28, 2019 at 9:27:06 PM UTC-4, The Snag wrote:
>
> So I picked up one of Will's huge Rosco mixtes from the list and hooked it 
> up with some Velocity Cliffhanger rims, that bike screams for some big 
> rubber so I went with the WTB trail boss 29x2.4 because I was looking for 
> something with a lot of traction, but the things were a major PITA to get 
> on the rims. They've been fine, but yesterday I pedaled through some stuff 
> that I shouldn't have and got a flat. I had all the things to patch the 
> tube so, with some effort, I got the tire off the rim and fixed it but, 
> despite trying to the point of breaking a plastic tire lever, couldn't 
> manage to get the tire back on. 
>
> My question is: how do I know if a 29" tire will comfortably fit a 700c 
> rim? The MTB companies market 29" tires but I know people run them on 700c 
> cliffhangers, does it have to do with tubeless compatibility? Does that 
> make them tighter? I'm so confused. 
>
> I've never had this much trouble with a tire before. Anyone else struggled 
> with the same thing, or have some knowledge on the subject, or know a good, 
> wide tire with mud traction that will for sure work??
>

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[RBW] Re: Question about wide tire fit on 700c rims

2019-10-28 Thread The Snag
Yeah dunno, tire levers from Kool Stop I think, made by Dremefa in Holland, 
never been an issue before. 

When I patched the tire I didn't break the bead around the other half of 
the rim, because I'm stubborn I guess. Centering the bead was probably the 
only reason I got it on in the first place, but then the only way I could 
set the bead and get rid of the tire wobble was to pump them thangs up to 
80psi till they went "ping!" 

I've been trying to avoid going tubeless mainly because I didn't feel like 
learning about it, but if all tires nowadays are this much of a struggle 
then that might have to be the route I go. I've never been bummed about 
patching a tire before, but this time I had to do some walking and it was a 
lame end to a ride...
Thanks doodz.

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