Re: [RBW] Re: Question about women's riding clothes (not for me)

2010-01-04 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Sun, 2010-01-03 at 19:26 -0800, beth h wrote:
 Title Nine has some very nice stuff, but is generally a massive bummer
 if you're a woman of size. And according to their sizing charts, I
 apparently qualify as a woman of size.

Then they must cater primarily to stick insects.  You are many things,
but a woman of size ain't one of them, imho.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Question about women's riding clothes (not for me)

2010-01-04 Thread Seth Vidal
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 7:54 AM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:
 On Sun, 2010-01-03 at 19:26 -0800, beth h wrote:
 Title Nine has some very nice stuff, but is generally a massive bummer
 if you're a woman of size. And according to their sizing charts, I
 apparently qualify as a woman of size.

 Then they must cater primarily to stick insects.  You are many things,
 but a woman of size ain't one of them, imho.


They cater to my girlfriend, apparently. She's 5'8 135lbs-ish.

I wouldn't consider her a stick insect of any kind.

-sv

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[RBW] Re: Question about women's riding clothes (not for me)

2010-01-04 Thread Lisa -S.H.


Steve Palincsar wrote:
 On Sun, 2010-01-03 at 19:26 -0800, beth h wrote:
   
 Title Nine has some very nice stuff, but is generally a massive bummer
 if you're a woman of size. And according to their sizing charts, I
 apparently qualify as a woman of size.
 

 Then they must cater primarily to stick insects.  You are many things,
 but a woman of size ain't one of them, imho.

This is a common problem.  People who look at me would mostly think I'm 
a normal sized woman, I'm not 'big' by anyone's standard, and I'm 5'5.  
But when buying cycling or athletic clothes I usually have to get XL for 
the bottoms (and L for most tops).  Imagine, I actually have hips ...and 
a butt!   LOL!   They come in handy for working one's way through a crowd.
Lynne- I don't look ethereal enough for the Title Nine catalog either.
And I'd probably wouldn't be fashionably 'tweedy/rumply' enough for any 
Riv catalog.   ;)
Lisa

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RE: [RBW] Re: Question about women's riding clothes (not for me)

2010-01-04 Thread Larry Powers

This is not just a problem for women.  I am 6'1 and am just over 200lbs.  
There are a couple of clothing lines whose 2xl is not large enough for me.  Who 
are they kidding.

 

I haven't been following this thread so this may have been brought up already 
but my wife has had good luck with Terry for  clothes.  She can either wear 
their XL or their 1X and they tend to have a reasonable selection in their plus 
sized line.   

Larry Powers 
 
Get a bicycle.  You will not regret it if you live. - Mark Twain



 
 Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 09:46:58 -0500
 From: harmo...@fairpoint.net
 To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
 Subject: [RBW] Re: Question about women's riding clothes (not for me)
 
 
 
 Steve Palincsar wrote:
  On Sun, 2010-01-03 at 19:26 -0800, beth h wrote:
  
  Title Nine has some very nice stuff, but is generally a massive bummer
  if you're a woman of size. And according to their sizing charts, I
  apparently qualify as a woman of size.
  
 
  Then they must cater primarily to stick insects. You are many things,
  but a woman of size ain't one of them, imho.
 
 This is a common problem. People who look at me would mostly think I'm 
 a normal sized woman, I'm not 'big' by anyone's standard, and I'm 5'5. 
 But when buying cycling or athletic clothes I usually have to get XL for 
 the bottoms (and L for most tops). Imagine, I actually have hips ...and 
 a butt! LOL! They come in handy for working one's way through a crowd.
 Lynne- I don't look ethereal enough for the Title Nine catalog either.
 And I'd probably wouldn't be fashionably 'tweedy/rumply' enough for any 
 Riv catalog. ;)
 Lisa
 
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[RBW] Re: Question about women's riding clothes (not for me)

2010-01-04 Thread kps
+1 from me, too, on Ibex.  i wear a few of the Ibex wool tops (the
shak hoody, the wool long-sleeved t), and i find Ibex
to wear better than Smartwool (i have one of their zip wool sweaters,
and while it's nice, the wool isn't as soft and it pills up).
i gave my father the upper/lower Ibex woolies for Christmas (he's
always worn patagonia capilene when outside in the cold), and i'm
hoping he'll like the Ibex as much as I do.

i've found, as an additional layer, the patagonia down 'sweater' vest
(800 instead of 650, but very light in weight and not bulky) to be
nice.  i have lived in mine since getting it this holiday season.

though they're not quite a 4-season piece, i LOVE the Gamut capri from
Arcteryx.  i stumbled across them when Backcountry.com was having a
sale.
they run small (i'm normally a 6, i bought 8s), but they're made of
canvas and they're supremely comfortable.  i liked them so much i
bought FOUR pair.  i don't think they
were made specifically for biking, but they're super.  they have a
gussetted crotch and a soft lining at the waist.  they don't bind as
you rid.

i paid list for one and got all the others for under $30 a pair.
maybe i'm the only woman who loves them. G  i tried buying the Gamut
pant, too.  too
big in the leg, and i didn't like the Gamut shorts either (too wide in
the leg--almost like a skort, and too short for my taste in shorts),
but the capri
was spot on for me.  nice Riv'ish colors, too (slate blue and dark
green).  highly recommend them.

i've been thinking i might try the new Outlier women's daily riding
pant, but it might be tricky figuring out the sizing on that pant.
whatever i order will probably be
too small.  ;)  www.outlier.cc

thanks to beth for the link to swrve, and anne for the wool knicker
link at team estrogen.  oh, and i have often thought of trying
something at SWOBO, but haven't yet.  maybe soon.

Kip--here's to your wife finding just the right attire.
-kim


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[RBW] Re: Question about women's riding clothes (not for me)

2010-01-04 Thread kps

one more piece i forgot to mention, and it's not specific to women.
i highly recommend the new merino wool Buff.  i have one and i gave
one to my friend
who spends hours walking her golden retriver, and she loves it too.
gave one to my boyfriend
and he loves it too.  it's longer than the regular buff, and it's
roomier, too.  perfect for
pulling up over your mouth/nose while riding.  i wear one all the
time.  it drapes nicely when
used as a neck gaiter.

washes well, doesn't shrink, doesn't stink, etc.

i think Rivendell should carry the wool Buffs.  ;-)
-k

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[RBW] Re: Question about women's riding clothes (not for me)

2010-01-04 Thread beth h
Yeah, well, I used to think so, too, until I started looking at the
sizing charts for womens-specific bike clothing.
When the largest chest size offered is a 40 and the largest hip size
offered is a 32 (and they call THAT XL, btw!), it's downright silly.

I recently had to order team kit from a large bikewear maker and their
sizing turns out to be all over the map. AND they got it wrong for
about half the team. They got MY jersey right, but only because I
ordered -- sit down -- the Womens' 3X.
I honestly don't see how clothing manufacturers hope to get more women
onto bikes if they don't/won't make clothing to fit more of them.

I mean, seriously -- how much DO I have to suck my cheeks in?

..::shrugs::..

Beth

On Jan 4, 4:54 am, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:
 On Sun, 2010-01-03 at 19:26 -0800, beth h wrote:
  Title Nine... [snip] ...according to their sizing charts, I
  apparently qualify as a woman of size.

 Then they must cater primarily to stick insects.  You are many things,
 but a woman of size ain't one of them, imho.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Question about women's riding clothes (not for me)

2010-01-04 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Mon, 2010-01-04 at 11:45 -0800, beth h wrote:
 Yeah, well, I used to think so, too, until I started looking at the
 sizing charts for womens-specific bike clothing.
 When the largest chest size offered is a 40 and the largest hip size
 offered is a 32 (and they call THAT XL, btw!), it's downright silly.
 
 I recently had to order team kit from a large bikewear maker and their
 sizing turns out to be all over the map. AND they got it wrong for
 about half the team. They got MY jersey right, but only because I
 ordered -- sit down -- the Womens' 3X.
 I honestly don't see how clothing manufacturers hope to get more women
 onto bikes if they don't/won't make clothing to fit more of them.
 
 I mean, seriously -- how much DO I have to suck my cheeks in?

As I said, they appear to be catering to stick insects.  



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Re: [RBW] Re: Question about women's riding clothes (not for me)

2010-01-04 Thread Seth Vidal
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 4:08 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:
 On Mon, 2010-01-04 at 11:45 -0800, beth h wrote:
 Yeah, well, I used to think so, too, until I started looking at the
 sizing charts for womens-specific bike clothing.
 When the largest chest size offered is a 40 and the largest hip size
 offered is a 32 (and they call THAT XL, btw!), it's downright silly.

 I recently had to order team kit from a large bikewear maker and their
 sizing turns out to be all over the map. AND they got it wrong for
 about half the team. They got MY jersey right, but only because I
 ordered -- sit down -- the Womens' 3X.
 I honestly don't see how clothing manufacturers hope to get more women
 onto bikes if they don't/won't make clothing to fit more of them.

 I mean, seriously -- how much DO I have to suck my cheeks in?

 As I said, they appear to be catering to stick insects.



Steve,
 A suggestion: If a company if not targetting a set of people with a
certain body attribute I don't think it is necessary to insult the
group of folks who do like and buy their products.

Thanks,
-sv

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Re: [RBW] Re: Question about women's riding clothes (not for me)

2010-01-04 Thread Anne Paulson
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 1:08 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:
 
 As I said, they appear to be catering to stick insects.

I buy a lot of clothes at Title 9. I like their styles, I wish they
would sell clothes for bigger women, because I'm at the upper end of
their size range, but there is no way anyone would possibly call me a
stick insect.

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[RBW] Re: Question about women's riding clothes (not for me)

2010-01-03 Thread MichaelH
My wife would second Anne's recommendation of Ibex products.  She
likes their shorts, arm  leg warmers for rides of more than an hour.
Michael

On Jan 2, 11:02 pm, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 3:36 PM, Kip Otteson kip.otte...@gmail.com wrote:

  

  Anyway, it seems like all the Riv gear is oriented towards men.
  Anybody know of Musa type stuff that is made for women?  I'll get her
  going on some wool tops from Riv, but the bottoms are not as
  flattering.  Anyone's wives or girlfriends have any recommendations?

 I don't have a wife or a girlfriend but I do have some recommendations.

 Lately I've been loving Ibex woolie tops for riding and just wearing
 around.  They're better looking and also more comfortable than the Riv
 stuff. My favorite style is the zip T-neck.
 On cold days (for here-- I live in the San Francisco Bay Area) I layer
 an Ibex zipfront Shak over the 
 woolie.http://www.ibexwear.com/shop/product/1355/8742/womens-woolies-zip-t-n...http://www.ibexwear.com/shop/product/1367/8447/womens-shak-full-zip

 And for touring, I bring along this cozy wool jacket. The hood fits
 closely, so I can put my helmet over 
 it.http://www.ibexwear.com/shop/product/1394/7440/womens-carrie-fz-hoody

 Ibex also sells wool shorts, but I still remember the wool cycling
 shorts of yore, so I haven't tried the Ibex ones. I might relent and
 try these knickers, though. They look 
 great.http://www.ibexwear.com/shop/product/1482/8990/womens-el-fito-three-q...

 Searching around, I found these good-looking wool riding 
 knickers:http://www.teamestrogen.com/prodSM_7572.html
 That's a Team Estrogen page. Team Estrogen has an enormous inventory
 of women's cycling clothes of all kinds.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Question about women's riding clothes (not for me)

2010-01-03 Thread cyclotourist
FWIW, My wife likes their uppers, but now their lowers.

On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 5:01 AM, MichaelH mhech...@gmail.com wrote:

 My wife would second Anne's recommendation of Ibex products.  She
 likes their shorts, arm  leg warmers for rides of more than an hour.
 Michael

 On Jan 2, 11:02 pm, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.com wrote:
  On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 3:36 PM, Kip Otteson kip.otte...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
   
 
   Anyway, it seems like all the Riv gear is oriented towards men.
   Anybody know of Musa type stuff that is made for women?  I'll get her
   going on some wool tops from Riv, but the bottoms are not as
   flattering.  Anyone's wives or girlfriends have any recommendations?
 
  I don't have a wife or a girlfriend but I do have some recommendations.
 
  Lately I've been loving Ibex woolie tops for riding and just wearing
  around.  They're better looking and also more comfortable than the Riv
  stuff. My favorite style is the zip T-neck.
  On cold days (for here-- I live in the San Francisco Bay Area) I layer
  an Ibex zipfront Shak over the woolie.
 http://www.ibexwear.com/shop/product/1355/8742/womens-woolies-zip-t-n...http://www.ibexwear.com/shop/product/1367/8447/womens-shak-full-zip
 
  And for touring, I bring along this cozy wool jacket. The hood fits
  closely, so I can put my helmet over it.
 http://www.ibexwear.com/shop/product/1394/7440/womens-carrie-fz-hoody
 
  Ibex also sells wool shorts, but I still remember the wool cycling
  shorts of yore, so I haven't tried the Ibex ones. I might relent and
  try these knickers, though. They look great.
 http://www.ibexwear.com/shop/product/1482/8990/womens-el-fito-three-q...
 
  Searching around, I found these good-looking wool riding knickers:
 http://www.teamestrogen.com/prodSM_7572.html
  That's a Team Estrogen page. Team Estrogen has an enormous inventory
  of women's cycling clothes of all kinds.
 
  --
  -- Anne Paulson
 
  He who wills the ends wills the means

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Re: [RBW] Re: Question about women's riding clothes (not for me)

2010-01-03 Thread Seth Vidal
On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 10:49 AM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:
 FWIW, My wife likes their uppers, but now their lowers.



My significant other wears A LOT of clothing from the Title-9 catalogue.

Title-9 is one of the catalogues that makes me a bit envious.

http://www.titlenine.com/

Excellent clothing - looks good w/o looking sport-specific.

-sv

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[RBW] Re: Question about women's riding clothes (not for me)

2010-01-03 Thread Saturday Mark
Check out Sheila Moons stuff. She does a bit of this and that with
regard to lycra or wool, but in any case Sheila is a great person and
cycling supporter!

sheilamoon.com

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Re: [RBW] Re: Question about women's riding clothes (not for me)

2010-01-03 Thread David Hallerman
+1 from my wife, too...likes and loves Ibex upperwear, for cycling and 
the rest of life, but has had problems with their shorts.

Their smallest size women's shorts were too big on her, and she has 
strong cyclist butt and thighs (not skinny there). So if the smallest 
size was too big, that implies major mis-sizing.

Earth Wind and Rider has made her fave (her word, she's standing right 
behind me) wool jerseys, but right now not too many women's sized wool 
from them. The owner of the company, Bill, told me that more women's 
wool jerseys to come later this month.

Dave, who spent some good time at a post-Boxing Day party talking wool 
with some women cyclists who love the stuff

==

cyclotourist wrote:
 FWIW, My wife likes their uppers, but now their lowers.

 On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 5:01 AM, MichaelH mhech...@gmail.com 
 mailto:mhech...@gmail.com wrote:

 My wife would second Anne's recommendation of Ibex products.  She
 likes their shorts, arm  leg warmers for rides of more than an hour.
 Michael

 On Jan 2, 11:02 pm, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.com
 mailto:anne.paul...@gmail.com wrote:
  On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 3:36 PM, Kip Otteson
 kip.otte...@gmail.com mailto:kip.otte...@gmail.com wrote:
 
   
 
   Anyway, it seems like all the Riv gear is oriented towards men.
   Anybody know of Musa type stuff that is made for women?  I'll
 get her
   going on some wool tops from Riv, but the bottoms are not as
   flattering.  Anyone's wives or girlfriends have any
 recommendations?
 
  I don't have a wife or a girlfriend but I do have some
 recommendations.
 
  Lately I've been loving Ibex woolie tops for riding and just wearing
  around.  They're better looking and also more comfortable than
 the Riv
  stuff. My favorite style is the zip T-neck.
  On cold days (for here-- I live in the San Francisco Bay Area) I
 layer
  an Ibex zipfront Shak over the
 
 woolie.http://www.ibexwear.com/shop/product/1355/8742/womens-woolies-zip-t-n...http://www.ibexwear.com/shop/product/1367/8447/womens-shak-full-zip
 
  And for touring, I bring along this cozy wool jacket. The hood fits
  closely, so I can put my helmet over
 it.http://www.ibexwear.com/shop/product/1394/7440/womens-carrie-fz-hoody
 
  Ibex also sells wool shorts, but I still remember the wool cycling
  shorts of yore, so I haven't tried the Ibex ones. I might relent and
  try these knickers, though. They look
 
 great.http://www.ibexwear.com/shop/product/1482/8990/womens-el-fito-three-q...
 
  Searching around, I found these good-looking wool riding
 knickers:http://www.teamestrogen.com/prodSM_7572.html
  That's a Team Estrogen page. Team Estrogen has an enormous inventory
  of women's cycling clothes of all kinds.
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Question about women's riding clothes (not for me)

2010-01-03 Thread Anne Paulson
On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 1:02 PM, David Hallerman sunwarrio...@gmail.com wrote:
 +1 from my wife, too...likes and loves Ibex upperwear, for cycling and the
 rest of life, but has had problems with their shorts.

 Their smallest size women's shorts were too big on her, and she has strong
 cyclist butt and thighs (not skinny there). So if the smallest size was too
 big, that implies major mis-sizing.

For an opposite perspective, I find Ibex's Loose Tights (knit wool
pants), which I like a lot,  run a little small in sizing. But they
have an excellent return policy and helpful phone clerks.

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[RBW] Re: Question about women's riding clothes (not for me)

2010-01-03 Thread muckum
SheBeest makes some very nice designs for women riders.

On Jan 2, 3:36 pm, Kip Otteson kip.otte...@gmail.com wrote:
 My wife has a Heron I bought for her for a tour in Ireland about 12
 years ago.  She is just starting to get into the idea of touring as a
 family event.  The latest 2 day tour with a stay in a nice guesthouse
 sealed the deal.  I'm so excited she's finally getting with the
 program!  I buy her all of her cycling gear.  The last thing I bought
 her was a Terry cycling skort thing.  It works well and she likes it
 but I want to get something much less involved.  No built in liner,
 etc.  She also doesn't like lycra or how it looks.

 Anyway, it seems like all the Riv gear is oriented towards men.
 Anybody know of Musa type stuff that is made for women?  I'll get her
 going on some wool tops from Riv, but the bottoms are not as
 flattering.  Anyone's wives or girlfriends have any recommendations?
 She's not a fashion person at all, but the more I can get her stuff
 that works the more she'll ride.

 Thanks.

 Kip Otteson

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[RBW] Re: Question about women's riding clothes (not for me)

2010-01-03 Thread beth h
Title Nine has some very nice stuff, but is generally a massive bummer
if you're a woman of size. And according to their sizing charts, I
apparently qualify as a woman of size. Sorry, but I think womens'
sizing -- especially in sports-type apparel -- is sort of crazy.
That's why I generally stick with mens apparel for my bicycling needs
(including those Swrve knickers which I recommended earlier).
Beth

 Title-9 is one of the catalogues that makes me a bit envious.
 http://www.titlenine.com/
 Excellent clothing - looks good w/o looking sport-specific.

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[RBW] Re: Question about women's riding clothes (not for me)

2010-01-02 Thread Justin August
This would be a great question to ask Lesli Larson. She's a list
member and also runs http://archivalclothing.blogspot.com

On Jan 2, 6:36 pm, Kip Otteson kip.otte...@gmail.com wrote:
 My wife has a Heron I bought for her for a tour in Ireland about 12
 years ago.  She is just starting to get into the idea of touring as a
 family event.  The latest 2 day tour with a stay in a nice guesthouse
 sealed the deal.  I'm so excited she's finally getting with the
 program!  I buy her all of her cycling gear.  The last thing I bought
 her was a Terry cycling skort thing.  It works well and she likes it
 but I want to get something much less involved.  No built in liner,
 etc.  She also doesn't like lycra or how it looks.

 Anyway, it seems like all the Riv gear is oriented towards men.
 Anybody know of Musa type stuff that is made for women?  I'll get her
 going on some wool tops from Riv, but the bottoms are not as
 flattering.  Anyone's wives or girlfriends have any recommendations?
 She's not a fashion person at all, but the more I can get her stuff
 that works the more she'll ride.

 Thanks.

 Kip Otteson

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Re: [RBW] Re: Question about women's riding clothes (not for me)

2010-01-02 Thread cyclotourist
My wife and I have loved Swobo products for the past two decades.  Great
products.

Girlie stuff is here:  http://www.swobo.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=1044

They have removable liners for the pants/shorts, and the jerseys are just
marvelous...

On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 4:12 PM, Justin August justinaug...@gmail.comwrote:

 This would be a great question to ask Lesli Larson. She's a list
 member and also runs http://archivalclothing.blogspot.com

 On Jan 2, 6:36 pm, Kip Otteson kip.otte...@gmail.com wrote:
  My wife has a Heron I bought for her for a tour in Ireland about 12
  years ago.  She is just starting to get into the idea of touring as a
  family event.  The latest 2 day tour with a stay in a nice guesthouse
  sealed the deal.  I'm so excited she's finally getting with the
  program!  I buy her all of her cycling gear.  The last thing I bought
  her was a Terry cycling skort thing.  It works well and she likes it
  but I want to get something much less involved.  No built in liner,
  etc.  She also doesn't like lycra or how it looks.
 
  Anyway, it seems like all the Riv gear is oriented towards men.
  Anybody know of Musa type stuff that is made for women?  I'll get her
  going on some wool tops from Riv, but the bottoms are not as
  flattering.  Anyone's wives or girlfriends have any recommendations?
  She's not a fashion person at all, but the more I can get her stuff
  that works the more she'll ride.
 
  Thanks.
 
  Kip Otteson

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[RBW] Re: Question about women's riding clothes (not for me)

2010-01-02 Thread beth h
You're right. MUSA is made to fit a male body. The upside is that
Grant likes clothing that fits loose and comfortable, so MUSA stuff
tends to be designed on a full cut.

For things that are more female-form-fitting and even girly, I
really like SWRVE (http://www.swrvestore.com/). It's US-made apparel
and many of their styles are womens' specific without being lycra-
esque. I have a pair of their knickers that are stylish without being
super-clingy. And durable! I'm going into my third year with them as a
regular three-season garment, and they're good as new.

Suggestion: perhaps ask your wife to get more directly involved in
ordering her cycling clothing? Sometimes women are better at
describing their fit needs themselves than men are doing it for them.
Just a thought. Good luck --Beth

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