[RBW] Re: Quickbeam over Mt Tam

[Bob Ehrenbeck]

Great stuff; sounds like a perfect day! I was in Marin this past June 
(although in a car and on foot, not on a bike) at several of the locations 
you mentioned, and your descriptive writing (not to mention your photos) 
brought back some good memories. Thanks for posting.

Bob E

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[RBW] Re: Quickbeam over Mt Tam

[Ash [who works to bike]]

Thank you Christian.  Much appreciate it!

Can't wait to try it!

On Sunday, 3 September 2017 21:42:03 UTC-7, christian poppell wrote:
>
> Hi Ash,
>
> Here's a link to the the rough route in two parts. Its split because Ride 
> With GPS wouldn't let me connect the route through Muir Beach:
>
> https://ridewithgps.com/trips/17423638   Part 1
> https://ridewithgps.com/trips/17423687   Part 2
>
> Christian
> Berkeley,CA
>
>
> On Friday, September 1, 2017 at 3:18:51 PM UTC-7, Ash [who works to bike] 
> wrote:
>>
>> Brompton?!!   Take some pictures.   I mean ask someone to take pictures 
>> of you riding a Brompton :)  I always chuckle when I see someone on a 
>> Brompton because it reminds of circus!
>>
>> Hey Christian, is there any easy way for you too share the route you 
>> rode?  Thanks..
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Quickbeam over Mt Tam

[Ash [who works to bike]]

This picture made my day!   I love Bromptons. Their design is so 
innovative.  Their bag mounting system (and the bags that go with it) is 
one of the coolest things I've seen in bikes.  I also bought a Brompton (3 
times) just for how neat that system is.

A coworker in my previous job had a Brompton.  He is 6'7".   Picture him on 
a Brompton :)



On Saturday, 2 September 2017 17:59:50 UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Patrick, here's my new Brompton (I sold the electric one) with a Brompton 
> C Bag. It's huge, and they make huger ones. 
>
> Hey Ash, it's a circus bike at Tilden Park! 
>
> On Saturday, September 2, 2017 at 5:53:32 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote: 
> > John: You breathe new, and doubtless still forlorn hope in my despairing 
> quest to make my Dahon Hon Solo a load carrier. 
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> > Would you mind posting a photo of your Bompton with touring bags? I'd 
> like to see what sort of system you use. 
> > 
> > 
> > Thanks. 
> > 
> > 
> > Patrick Moore, who has 2 other load carrying bikes, in ABQ, NM 
> > 
> > 
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> > On Sat, Sep 2, 2017 at 9:33 AM, Surlyprof  wrote: 
> > 
> > 
> > [Snippo ...] 
> > John  
> > Whose Brompton with touring bag has made commuting on public transport 
> and grocery shopping so much nicer. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Quickbeam over Mt Tam

[Marc Nolte]

I've got a Dahon MuXL.  More cushy on Big Apples than my Wilbury on GB Hetres. 
Steering feels twitchy for the first 100-200m then my muscle-memory adapts. 

Just a wee bit slower than the Wilbury on my standard 15km commute. 

Lack of hand positions is my only gripe. I run wrapped albatross on my Riv, so 
I have 3.6 distinct hand holds. Dahon, basically 1. 

Love the Nexus-8 on the MuXL too. 

Feel envy every time a Brompton rider does the rear-wheel tuck 'n park trick. 

Still lust after a Moulton SST. 

Marc in Calgary
( Where an exceptional summer has seen the most miles by bike yet. )

> On Sep 2, 2017, at 10:31 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
> 
> Thanks. Oh well; if I could find a Brompton that could give me an 
> almost-road-bike riding position (as the HS does with 2" bar extender and 
> original Moustache bar), and let me set it up as a fixed gear, I'd think of 
> buying one. I don't want a bike whose principal benefit is folding small, 
> while its riding qualities are distant from those of full sized bikes.
> 
> The HS is not bad at all; "boat to truck" doesn't do it justice. I want a 
> folder that I can ride 20 miles in a normal position without pain.
> 
>> On Sat, Sep 2, 2017 at 8:23 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>> 
>> Yep. To do Brompton stuff you kinda need a Brompton. Your bike is a renamed 
>> Boardwalk, which is really more of a 'ride from the boat to the truck' 
>> design. Here's another shot that shows better how the bag fits on the bike.
>> 
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[RBW] Re: Quickbeam over Mt Tam

[christian poppell]

Hi Ash,

Here's a link to the the rough route in two parts. Its split because Ride 
With GPS wouldn't let me connect the route through Muir Beach:

https://ridewithgps.com/trips/17423638   Part 1
https://ridewithgps.com/trips/17423687   Part 2

Christian
Berkeley,CA


On Friday, September 1, 2017 at 3:18:51 PM UTC-7, Ash [who works to bike] 
wrote:
>
> Brompton?!!   Take some pictures.   I mean ask someone to take pictures of 
> you riding a Brompton :)  I always chuckle when I see someone on a Brompton 
> because it reminds of circus!
>
> Hey Christian, is there any easy way for you too share the route you rode? 
>  Thanks..
>

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Re: Dahon versus Brompton ([RBW] Re: Quickbeam over Mt Tam)

[Benz, Sunnyvale, CA]

I've never ridden the Hon Solo, but I've ridden a few other Dahons, so the 
assumption is that the Hon Solo doesn't ride that differently than the 
other Dahons, which is to say it rides and handles fine. I also did not 
notice any obvious quality issues during my test rides and inspection. The 
Dahons fold awkwardly, and that was the reason why I chose to buy a 
Brompton instead.

I commuted on my Brompton M3L for the last 9 years. In my experience, 
the twitchiness of the Brompton is probably due to its low trail design. 
And it was probably designed this way because it is intended to carry a 
front load. As such, I don't understand why Brompton dealers send out test 
rides without loading up the front first. Finally, I don't believe the ride 
of the Brompton has anything to do with its small wheels; Moultons ride on 
small wheels and no one really faults their ride characteristics.



On Saturday, September 2, 2017 at 8:30:19 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> The opinions are consistent. I've not ridden a Brompton; have you ridden a 
> Hon Solo?
>
> I was pleasantly surprised when I first rode the Hon Solo: after reading 
> about folders, I feared twitchiness. But the HS rode very much like a road 
> bike; not like a Rivendell, but certainly not twitchey.
>
> I repeat: I've read a dozen and half reviews, and the consensus is that 
> Bromptons and fold small but ride worse than others that don't fold as 
> small ride better.
>
> From Google's first few results:
>
>
> https://www.bikefolded.com/dahon-vs-brompton-best-folding-bike-manufacturer/
>
> https://www.bikefolded.com/brompton-vs-dahon-folding-bike-new-comparison/
>
>
> http://www.bikeforums.net/folding-bikes/778947-perennial-question-brompton-vs-dahon-tern.html
>
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 2, 2017 at 9:08 PM, Joseph Bernard  > wrote:
>
>> I'll let others chime in (although they may consider this thread hijacked 
>> enough already), but as far as I'm concerned those reviews are bollocks. 
>> All small-wheelers handle quick, but that can be mitigated on a Brompton 
>> with a couple pounds over the front wheel. Yesterday I rode my Clem L, 
>> today I rode the Brompton; they both go straight and turn like bicycles, 
>> with one being more stable and one feeling like a sports car. I like both. 
>>
>> On Sep 2, 2017 8:01 PM, "Patrick Moore"  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Question: I've read many comparative reviews of folders, and in many of 
>>> them I've read that 20" Dahons ride more like "real bikes" than 16" wheel 
>>> Bromptons; that Bromptons are the #1 choice if you want quick and easy 
>>> folding, but if you want a ride that is closer to that of a full sized 
>>> bike, choose something else/
>>>
>>> This is repeated again and again. Bromptons fold very nicely, but that 
>>> is their sole competitive advantage. Other folders ride better. Generally, 
>>> the reviews say that the easier and smaller the folding, the less the ride 
>>> quality, and e converso.
>>>
>>> Also, straight bars are an immediate disbarment.
>>>
>>> Me, I want a bike that folds enough to fit into a grocery trolley, but 
>>> that, otherwise, rides like a full sized bike. 
>>>
>>> Will others chime in?
>>>
>>> On Sat, Sep 2, 2017 at 8:36 PM, Joseph Bernard >> > wrote:
>>>
 I see your point about the bars, but I've ridden a lot of Dahons and 
 the Brommie rides at least as well as they do. I just finished a 10 mile 
 ride on mine and would easily triple it without a thought. They make a 
 singlespeed that could be converted to fixie. 

 On Sep 2, 2017 7:31 PM, "Patrick Moore"  wrote:

> Thanks. Oh well; if I could find a Brompton that could give me an 
> almost-road-bike riding position (as the HS does with 2" bar extender and 
> original Moustache bar), and let me set it up as a fixed gear, I'd think 
> of 
> buying one. I don't want a bike whose principal benefit is folding small, 
> while its riding qualities are distant from those of full sized bikes.
>
> The HS is not bad at all; "boat to truck" doesn't do it justice. I 
> want a folder that I can ride 20 miles in a normal position without pain.
>
> On Sat, Sep 2, 2017 at 8:23 PM, Joe Bernard  > wrote:
>
>>
>> Yep. To do Brompton stuff you kinda need a Brompton. Your bike is a 
>> renamed Boardwalk, which is really more of a 'ride from the boat to the 
>> truck' design. Here's another shot that shows better how the bag fits on 
>> the bike.
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Re: Dahon versus Brompton ([RBW] Re: Quickbeam over Mt Tam)

[Patrick Moore]

IIRC, the price of the Hon Solo was $900. I got mine, practically unridden,
for a lot less than that! (And thanks again to the seller.)

On Sun, Sep 3, 2017 at 1:52 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:

> Old search results show 500. There was some talk of another year run, but
> I don't think it happened. I know these things are *really* hard to find
> now.
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Re: Dahon versus Brompton ([RBW] Re: Quickbeam over Mt Tam)

[Joe Bernard]

Old search results show 500. There was some talk of another year run, but I 
don't think it happened. I know these things are *really* hard to find now. 

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Re: Dahon versus Brompton ([RBW] Re: Quickbeam over Mt Tam)

[Christopher Murray]

If I remember correctly the Hon Solo was a tribute to Grant and Rivendell. That 
makes it a great addition to your garage and relevant to this forum. I forget 
how many were made, 900? 

When I had mine I got more compliments than any other bike.

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Re: Dahon versus Brompton ([RBW] Re: Quickbeam over Mt Tam)

[Joe Bernard]

The standard "fat tire" for Brompton is the Schwalbe Marathon 1.35. You might 
be able to go a little bigger without fenders, but I'm not sure a fatter 16” 
tire actually exists.

Yes, drops or M Bars can be made to fit with Brompton, you just won't be able 
to fold the mast down into its click-in cradle. Lots of folks have done it, you 
can sacrifice some compactness with this bike and still have a remarkably small 
fold compared to other folders. 

As for the "in another class" comment, the Brompton - which is bar-and-gears 
variations on the same model - must be compared to your specific Dahon. There's 
a countless number of Dahon models, including a ton of Chinese low-spec bikes 
built for overseas markets we would scoff at here. Your Hon Solo is a 4130 
cromoly frame fitted with some very nice, very specific parts for that limited 
run, and should be the only Dahon we're discussing for this topic. I'd love to 
have both: I'm crazy about my 6-speed Brommie, and a fixie Hon Solo would be a 
sweet compliment to 'er. 

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Re: Dahon versus Brompton ([RBW] Re: Quickbeam over Mt Tam)

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks all, especially Joe for the useful information; and John, thanks for
the photos -- nice little panniers!

 I may one day be interested in a folder that folds smaller than my Hon
Solo, one that I can put into a bag the size of a medium suitcase and carry
with me onto a bus or into a store or office; the HS folds down small
enough for my needs so far, but it is definitely too big to carry onto a
bus and awkard to carry into a store.

But the reports of the ride compared to 20" wheeled models, and also that I
see them only with close up, straight bars, makes me reluctant; I really
dislike straight bars -- they hurt my hands; and I my arms/hands/shoulders
get too much pressure with bar too close to saddle -- that additional 2"
extender for the M bar really makes my position more comfortable. I see
that you can put a drop bar or M bar on a Brompton, and I suppose you can
get extenders ...?

Also, what about tire width? I know B doesn't make a 20" model; can you put
fatter tires on it?  I can and sometimes do ride my HS with 32 mm Kojaks on
firm dirt and gravel, and in fact I'm thinking of buying 1.75s (~44 mm) for
it (it will fit these) for it ( so it will be a fixed gear, small wheel
mountain bike!). How fat a tire can the B take?

Jay: you say: "Compared to the Dahon, the Brompton is in another class." In
what way, exactly? I know it folds smaller, and it may be of better quality
(though the Hon Solo is decent: all chromo, with decent if not stellar
parts, some of which I've upgraded); but as to the handling quality and the
riding position?

I'm not trying to defend Dahon, which really would be better for me if it
could fold smaller; but for me, handling and riding position and fatter
tires are more important at this point; more so even than the capacity to
take some sort of large bag.

At any rate, after all this discussion, I now intend to forget about a rack
or bag for the HS, and simply use a courier bag.But I did fashion a neat
little bracket attaching to the seatstay braze-ons to hold a rear Topline
tail light just below the seatpost and just high enough to peek out over
the rear tire -- whoops, if I install 44s, I'll have to make a slightly
higher one; darn.


On Sun, Sep 3, 2017 at 10:01 AM, Jay in Tel Aviv  wrote:

>  I had a Dahon MuP8. I rode it across Holland and from NH to the Maine
> coast and many commuting as a backup and multimodal bike.
> The ride? It's nickname around my house was Tinkertoy. I think the long
> stem just made it feel ingerently unstable.
> I picked up a Brompton a few years ago, mostly for the fold. I really like
> the ride. I find I ride a little bit slower on it than my Sam. Something
> about the position I guess. It's definitely a different feel vs the Sam. I
> like it.
> Sorry not to be more precise. Compared to the Sam, it's different but no
> better or worse depending on my mood. Compared to the Dahon, the Brompton
> is in another class.
>
> Jay
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Re: Dahon versus Brompton ([RBW] Re: Quickbeam over Mt Tam)

[Jay in Tel Aviv]

 I had a Dahon MuP8. I rode it across Holland and from NH to the Maine 
coast and many commuting as a backup and multimodal bike.
The ride? It's nickname around my house was Tinkertoy. I think the long 
stem just made it feel ingerently unstable.
I picked up a Brompton a few years ago, mostly for the fold. I really like 
the ride. I find I ride a little bit slower on it than my Sam. Something 
about the position I guess. It's definitely a different feel vs the Sam. I 
like it. 
Sorry not to be more precise. Compared to the Sam, it's different but no 
better or worse depending on my mood. Compared to the Dahon, the Brompton 
is in another class.

Jay

On Sunday, September 3, 2017 at 6:30:19 AM UTC+3, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> The opinions are consistent. I've not ridden a Brompton; have you ridden a 
> Hon Solo?
>
> I was pleasantly surprised when I first rode the Hon Solo: after reading 
> about folders, I feared twitchiness. But the HS rode very much like a road 
> bike; not like a Rivendell, but certainly not twitchey.
>
> I repeat: I've read a dozen and half reviews, and the consensus is that 
> Bromptons and fold small but ride worse than others that don't fold as 
> small ride better.
>
> From Google's first few results:
>
>
> https://www.bikefolded.com/dahon-vs-brompton-best-folding-bike-manufacturer/
>
> https://www.bikefolded.com/brompton-vs-dahon-folding-bike-new-comparison/
>
>
> http://www.bikeforums.net/folding-bikes/778947-perennial-question-brompton-vs-dahon-tern.html
>
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 2, 2017 at 9:08 PM, Joseph Bernard  > wrote:
>
>> I'll let others chime in (although they may consider this thread hijacked 
>> enough already), but as far as I'm concerned those reviews are bollocks. 
>> All small-wheelers handle quick, but that can be mitigated on a Brompton 
>> with a couple pounds over the front wheel. Yesterday I rode my Clem L, 
>> today I rode the Brompton; they both go straight and turn like bicycles, 
>> with one being more stable and one feeling like a sports car. I like both. 
>>
>> On Sep 2, 2017 8:01 PM, "Patrick Moore"  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Question: I've read many comparative reviews of folders, and in many of 
>>> them I've read that 20" Dahons ride more like "real bikes" than 16" wheel 
>>> Bromptons; that Bromptons are the #1 choice if you want quick and easy 
>>> folding, but if you want a ride that is closer to that of a full sized 
>>> bike, choose something else/
>>>
>>> This is repeated again and again. Bromptons fold very nicely, but that 
>>> is their sole competitive advantage. Other folders ride better. Generally, 
>>> the reviews say that the easier and smaller the folding, the less the ride 
>>> quality, and e converso.
>>>
>>> Also, straight bars are an immediate disbarment.
>>>
>>> Me, I want a bike that folds enough to fit into a grocery trolley, but 
>>> that, otherwise, rides like a full sized bike. 
>>>
>>> Will others chime in?
>>>
>>> On Sat, Sep 2, 2017 at 8:36 PM, Joseph Bernard >> > wrote:
>>>
 I see your point about the bars, but I've ridden a lot of Dahons and 
 the Brommie rides at least as well as they do. I just finished a 10 mile 
 ride on mine and would easily triple it without a thought. They make a 
 singlespeed that could be converted to fixie. 

 On Sep 2, 2017 7:31 PM, "Patrick Moore"  wrote:

> Thanks. Oh well; if I could find a Brompton that could give me an 
> almost-road-bike riding position (as the HS does with 2" bar extender and 
> original Moustache bar), and let me set it up as a fixed gear, I'd think 
> of 
> buying one. I don't want a bike whose principal benefit is folding small, 
> while its riding qualities are distant from those of full sized bikes.
>
> The HS is not bad at all; "boat to truck" doesn't do it justice. I 
> want a folder that I can ride 20 miles in a normal position without pain.
>
> On Sat, Sep 2, 2017 at 8:23 PM, Joe Bernard  > wrote:
>
>>
>> Yep. To do Brompton stuff you kinda need a Brompton. Your bike is a 
>> renamed Boardwalk, which is really more of a 'ride from the boat to the 
>> truck' design. Here's another shot that shows better how the bag fits on 
>> the bike.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Quickbeam over Mt Tam

[Surlyprof]

Patrick,

I got the Brompton because I started teaching a course that ended when my 
last train was leaving the station.  I wasn't comfortable putting my 
Hillborne on the front rack of the bus so I got the Brompton.  It folds 
down small enough that I can carry it onto the bus without a second glance. 
 The ride was secondary but carrying capacity was crucial.  I carry a very 
large (16.5"x11") tablet computer and accessories (portable office), books 
and lunch when I commute.  The Brompton T-Bag (touring bag) carries it all 
smoothly but, as you pointed out, it uses their block carrying system.  I 
did add a Sackville Multisack on one side for ulock and the lunch.  Rides 
well with occassional heel strike.  The more I rode the Brompton and got 
used to it, the more I started using it for grocery shopping and hardware 
store runs.

As the others mentioned, the Brompton takes some getting used to.  I was 
able to get it very close to the riding position of my Hillborne.  The "H" 
model would have gotten me fully there.  That said, it does NOT ride like a 
Hillborne (few bikes do IMHO).  It is a little twitchy at first but you 
learn that turning is in the lean more than the handlebars.  You really do 
become one with the bike as you glide through turns.  I almost didn't get 
it because I didn't get to that sensation during a test ride.  I was 
turning the handlebars too much.  I would guess that's why Brompton started 
allowing people to try demos for extended periods of time.  I've heard from 
friends that Bike Fridays felt closest to road bike feel.  Bigger tires, 
good geometries smooth steel frames.  My problem with them is that they 
didn't fold down small enough.  The Helix (https://www.helix.ca/) looked 
promising but the geometry is tight unfolded.  They also launched their 
Kickstarter in 2015 and still haven't sent out a bike to their customers! 
 Here's a couple of photos of my Brompton.  They do make a larger capacity 
trunk bag for the rack but I liked having some Riv-content with the 
Multisack/Brompton Mini-pannier:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/129545862@N03/33063449290/in/album-72157676942696083/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/129545862@N03/32573299260/in/album-72157676942696083/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/129545862@N03/32913479866/in/album-72157676942696083/

Now, to not fully hijack the thread, I'd like to say to Christian, great 
shots and fantastic write up!  You really captured the feel of Tam. 
 Everyone in the bay area should ride it.  I was a little intimidated until 
I did that ride with Philip and Evan last year.  We rode up the trails to 
the West Point Inn for their pancakes and then back down the road.  Not 
only was it beautiful, it was all sorts of riding in one ride.  Clear as a 
bell going up the trail; great views from the West Point Inn; and then a 
cold, foggy road descent.  Crazy how the climate changes from one side of a 
mountain to the other around here.  Potentially terrifying riding down a 
mountain in that kind of fog but the cars were timid so I don't remember 
too many trying to pass us on our way down (until we got below the fog). 
 Really fun ride.  If anyone wants to try it, the bay area riv riders are 
planning another pancake ride next weekend. 
 https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/bay-area-rivendell-riders/ex_XPflpAYk 
 

See you all there?!

John






On Saturday, September 2, 2017 at 8:10:01 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> I know you've made your bike the grocery trolley. Is there a reason that 
> doesn't work? Would doing so tick all the boxes?
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Saturday, September 2, 2017 at 9:01:14 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>
>> Me, I want a bike that folds enough to fit into a grocery trolley, but 
>> that, otherwise, rides like a full sized bike. 
>>
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Re: Dahon versus Brompton ([RBW] Re: Quickbeam over Mt Tam)

[Chris Birkenmaier]

I have two Bromotons. They fold down to almost nothing. I prefer to not 
call,them twitchy but responsive and zippy. Fun bike to ride. I can take it 
with me in the trunk when I travel and pull it out for a ride if the 
opportunity arises. I like that!

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Re: Dahon versus Brompton ([RBW] Re: Quickbeam over Mt Tam)

[Deacon Patrick]

I have no calibration to offer you other than I can't ride my wife's Bike 
Friday Haul-a-day ten feet without needing three days to recover, but she 
loves it. That twitchy quickness of small wheeled bicycles wrecks havoc 
with vertigo. Sardonic grin. One way to find out, and that's to try a test 
ride, aye? Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Saturday, September 2, 2017 at 9:30:19 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> The opinions are consistent. I've not ridden a Brompton; have you ridden a 
> Hon Solo?
>
> I was pleasantly surprised when I first rode the Hon Solo: after reading 
> about folders, I feared twitchiness. But the HS rode very much like a road 
> bike; not like a Rivendell, but certainly not twitchey.
>
> I repeat: I've read a dozen and half reviews, and the consensus is that 
> Bromptons and fold small but ride worse than others that don't fold as 
> small ride better.
>
> From Google's first few results:
>
>
> https://www.bikefolded.com/dahon-vs-brompton-best-folding-bike-manufacturer/
>
> https://www.bikefolded.com/brompton-vs-dahon-folding-bike-new-comparison/
>
>
> http://www.bikeforums.net/folding-bikes/778947-perennial-question-brompton-vs-dahon-tern.html
>
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 2, 2017 at 9:08 PM, Joseph Bernard  > wrote:
>
>> I'll let others chime in (although they may consider this thread hijacked 
>> enough already), but as far as I'm concerned those reviews are bollocks. 
>> All small-wheelers handle quick, but that can be mitigated on a Brompton 
>> with a couple pounds over the front wheel. Yesterday I rode my Clem L, 
>> today I rode the Brompton; they both go straight and turn like bicycles, 
>> with one being more stable and one feeling like a sports car. I like both. 
>>
>> On Sep 2, 2017 8:01 PM, "Patrick Moore"  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Question: I've read many comparative reviews of folders, and in many of 
>>> them I've read that 20" Dahons ride more like "real bikes" than 16" wheel 
>>> Bromptons; that Bromptons are the #1 choice if you want quick and easy 
>>> folding, but if you want a ride that is closer to that of a full sized 
>>> bike, choose something else/
>>>
>>> This is repeated again and again. Bromptons fold very nicely, but that 
>>> is their sole competitive advantage. Other folders ride better. Generally, 
>>> the reviews say that the easier and smaller the folding, the less the ride 
>>> quality, and e converso.
>>>
>>> Also, straight bars are an immediate disbarment.
>>>
>>> Me, I want a bike that folds enough to fit into a grocery trolley, but 
>>> that, otherwise, rides like a full sized bike. 
>>>
>>> Will others chime in?
>>>
>>> On Sat, Sep 2, 2017 at 8:36 PM, Joseph Bernard >> > wrote:
>>>
 I see your point about the bars, but I've ridden a lot of Dahons and 
 the Brommie rides at least as well as they do. I just finished a 10 mile 
 ride on mine and would easily triple it without a thought. They make a 
 singlespeed that could be converted to fixie. 

 On Sep 2, 2017 7:31 PM, "Patrick Moore"  wrote:

> Thanks. Oh well; if I could find a Brompton that could give me an 
> almost-road-bike riding position (as the HS does with 2" bar extender and 
> original Moustache bar), and let me set it up as a fixed gear, I'd think 
> of 
> buying one. I don't want a bike whose principal benefit is folding small, 
> while its riding qualities are distant from those of full sized bikes.
>
> The HS is not bad at all; "boat to truck" doesn't do it justice. I 
> want a folder that I can ride 20 miles in a normal position without pain.
>
> On Sat, Sep 2, 2017 at 8:23 PM, Joe Bernard  > wrote:
>
>>
>> Yep. To do Brompton stuff you kinda need a Brompton. Your bike is a 
>> renamed Boardwalk, which is really more of a 'ride from the boat to the 
>> truck' design. Here's another shot that shows better how the bag fits on 
>> the bike.
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Dahon versus Brompton ([RBW] Re: Quickbeam over Mt Tam)

[Joe Bernard]

I should be more specific, I forgot that the current Boardwalk S1 is hiten 
steel. The Hon Solo was based on the 4130 model which came in various speeds 
and guises..I don't think any of those are available in the US anymore. 

The HS was a very cool limited edition that paid more than a little homage to 
Riv with the Moustache Bars and Brooks saddle. I'd love to find one with all 
the original bits on it. 

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Dahon versus Brompton ([RBW] Re: Quickbeam over Mt Tam)

[Joe Bernard]

"Semi-magical" nails it. My first Brompton came used with an e-assist system 
which I eventually decided detracted too much from the purpose of the bike. I 
sold it, but I continued to be mesmerized by the little pieces of British iron, 
so I recently bought a new Stardust Black M6L (no motor). I love it! There's 
something irresistible about the ability to flip the rear wheel under as a 
kickstand, then collapse the whole thing into a little square and toss it in 
the trunk. Of course that wouldn't matter if it was a lame ride, but I really 
get a kick out of the way it goes and turns. Even the weird narrow bars and 
topmount shifters (2016; the '17s have wider bars, underbar shifters) fit me 
great. The thing just works for me, so I'm probably not a very objective 
reviewer at this point. 

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Dahon versus Brompton ([RBW] Re: Quickbeam over Mt Tam)

[Christopher Murray]

One last comment: having owned both a Dahon Hon Solo and Boardwalk, I do not 
think they are the same frame or fork. The HS seemed/ looked/ was much higher 
in quality. 

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Dahon versus Brompton ([RBW] Re: Quickbeam over Mt Tam)

[Christopher Murray]

I've ridden and owned both a Dahon Hon Solo and a Brompton. The wheels are 
larger on the HS and that gave it a bit of a smoother, more normal-feeling 
ride. That's not to say the Brompton doesn't ride as well just that it has its 
own feel and characteristics. I actually find the Brompton more fun to ride 
after getting used to it. It has a certain zippiness that is hard to explain. 
The Brompton also seems much higher quality than the HS. While some of the 
components and frame construction methods seem antiquated, they look/feel/ seem 
like they are done to a higher standard. The Brompton is also much beefier than 
the HS- the frame tubes are much, much thicker and the extended steering column 
has little to no flex. The HS frame feels solid but I always found a fair 
amount of flex in the steering column. And the Brompton folds much, much 
smaller. Overall, I liked the HS but ended up riding it very little, "borrowed" 
a few parts off it over the years, and eventually sold it to a list member ;)

Conclusion: I don't know if there is anything you can do on a Brompton that you 
can't do on the HS. And I'm not sure the quality difference is meaningful in 
any way (unless the flex bothers you) BUT the Brompton just has something 
semi-magical about it-- something intangible that makes me not just like it or 
tolerate it but LOVE it. I've owned quite a few small wheeled bikes and liked 
none of them as much as the Brompton. It is a silly, ridiculous looking 
contraption but one that I find hard not to love.

Apologies for any typos as I typed this quickly on my phone. 

Cheers!
Chris 

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Re: Dahon versus Brompton ([RBW] Re: Quickbeam over Mt Tam)

[Joseph Bernard]

I've ridden a bunch of 20-inch-wheel Dahons and they ride fine, as does the
16-inch-wheel Dahon and two Bromptons I've owned. Your height/weight can
make a difference on these contraptions so I'm not going to keep arguing
this topic and boring the hell out of everybody. You should ride a Brompton
and see what you think.

On Sep 2, 2017 8:30 PM, "Patrick Moore"  wrote:

> The opinions are consistent. I've not ridden a Brompton; have you ridden a
> Hon Solo?
>
> I was pleasantly surprised when I first rode the Hon Solo: after reading
> about folders, I feared twitchiness. But the HS rode very much like a road
> bike; not like a Rivendell, but certainly not twitchey.
>
> I repeat: I've read a dozen and half reviews, and the consensus is that
> Bromptons and fold small but ride worse than others that don't fold as
> small ride better.
>
> From Google's first few results:
>
> https://www.bikefolded.com/dahon-vs-brompton-best-
> folding-bike-manufacturer/
>
> https://www.bikefolded.com/brompton-vs-dahon-folding-bike-new-comparison/
>
> http://www.bikeforums.net/folding-bikes/778947-
> perennial-question-brompton-vs-dahon-tern.html
>
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 2, 2017 at 9:08 PM, Joseph Bernard 
> wrote:
>
>> I'll let others chime in (although they may consider this thread hijacked
>> enough already), but as far as I'm concerned those reviews are bollocks.
>> All small-wheelers handle quick, but that can be mitigated on a Brompton
>> with a couple pounds over the front wheel. Yesterday I rode my Clem L,
>> today I rode the Brompton; they both go straight and turn like bicycles,
>> with one being more stable and one feeling like a sports car. I like both.
>>
>> On Sep 2, 2017 8:01 PM, "Patrick Moore"  wrote:
>>
>>> Question: I've read many comparative reviews of folders, and in many of
>>> them I've read that 20" Dahons ride more like "real bikes" than 16" wheel
>>> Bromptons; that Bromptons are the #1 choice if you want quick and easy
>>> folding, but if you want a ride that is closer to that of a full sized
>>> bike, choose something else/
>>>
>>> This is repeated again and again. Bromptons fold very nicely, but that
>>> is their sole competitive advantage. Other folders ride better. Generally,
>>> the reviews say that the easier and smaller the folding, the less the ride
>>> quality, and e converso.
>>>
>>> Also, straight bars are an immediate disbarment.
>>>
>>> Me, I want a bike that folds enough to fit into a grocery trolley, but
>>> that, otherwise, rides like a full sized bike.
>>>
>>> Will others chime in?
>>>
>>> On Sat, Sep 2, 2017 at 8:36 PM, Joseph Bernard 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I see your point about the bars, but I've ridden a lot of Dahons and
 the Brommie rides at least as well as they do. I just finished a 10 mile
 ride on mine and would easily triple it without a thought. They make a
 singlespeed that could be converted to fixie.

 On Sep 2, 2017 7:31 PM, "Patrick Moore"  wrote:

> Thanks. Oh well; if I could find a Brompton that could give me an
> almost-road-bike riding position (as the HS does with 2" bar extender and
> original Moustache bar), and let me set it up as a fixed gear, I'd think 
> of
> buying one. I don't want a bike whose principal benefit is folding small,
> while its riding qualities are distant from those of full sized bikes.
>
> The HS is not bad at all; "boat to truck" doesn't do it justice. I
> want a folder that I can ride 20 miles in a normal position without pain.
>
> On Sat, Sep 2, 2017 at 8:23 PM, Joe Bernard 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Yep. To do Brompton stuff you kinda need a Brompton. Your bike is a
>> renamed Boardwalk, which is really more of a 'ride from the boat to the
>> truck' design. Here's another shot that shows better how the bag fits on
>> the bike.
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Dahon versus Brompton ([RBW] Re: Quickbeam over Mt Tam)

[Patrick Moore]

The opinions are consistent. I've not ridden a Brompton; have you ridden a
Hon Solo?

I was pleasantly surprised when I first rode the Hon Solo: after reading
about folders, I feared twitchiness. But the HS rode very much like a road
bike; not like a Rivendell, but certainly not twitchey.

I repeat: I've read a dozen and half reviews, and the consensus is that
Bromptons and fold small but ride worse than others that don't fold as
small ride better.

>From Google's first few results:

https://www.bikefolded.com/dahon-vs-brompton-best-folding-bike-manufacturer/

https://www.bikefolded.com/brompton-vs-dahon-folding-bike-new-comparison/

http://www.bikeforums.net/folding-bikes/778947-perennial-question-brompton-vs-dahon-tern.html



On Sat, Sep 2, 2017 at 9:08 PM, Joseph Bernard  wrote:

> I'll let others chime in (although they may consider this thread hijacked
> enough already), but as far as I'm concerned those reviews are bollocks.
> All small-wheelers handle quick, but that can be mitigated on a Brompton
> with a couple pounds over the front wheel. Yesterday I rode my Clem L,
> today I rode the Brompton; they both go straight and turn like bicycles,
> with one being more stable and one feeling like a sports car. I like both.
>
> On Sep 2, 2017 8:01 PM, "Patrick Moore"  wrote:
>
>> Question: I've read many comparative reviews of folders, and in many of
>> them I've read that 20" Dahons ride more like "real bikes" than 16" wheel
>> Bromptons; that Bromptons are the #1 choice if you want quick and easy
>> folding, but if you want a ride that is closer to that of a full sized
>> bike, choose something else/
>>
>> This is repeated again and again. Bromptons fold very nicely, but that is
>> their sole competitive advantage. Other folders ride better. Generally, the
>> reviews say that the easier and smaller the folding, the less the ride
>> quality, and e converso.
>>
>> Also, straight bars are an immediate disbarment.
>>
>> Me, I want a bike that folds enough to fit into a grocery trolley, but
>> that, otherwise, rides like a full sized bike.
>>
>> Will others chime in?
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 2, 2017 at 8:36 PM, Joseph Bernard 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I see your point about the bars, but I've ridden a lot of Dahons and the
>>> Brommie rides at least as well as they do. I just finished a 10 mile ride
>>> on mine and would easily triple it without a thought. They make a
>>> singlespeed that could be converted to fixie.
>>>
>>> On Sep 2, 2017 7:31 PM, "Patrick Moore"  wrote:
>>>
 Thanks. Oh well; if I could find a Brompton that could give me an
 almost-road-bike riding position (as the HS does with 2" bar extender and
 original Moustache bar), and let me set it up as a fixed gear, I'd think of
 buying one. I don't want a bike whose principal benefit is folding small,
 while its riding qualities are distant from those of full sized bikes.

 The HS is not bad at all; "boat to truck" doesn't do it justice. I want
 a folder that I can ride 20 miles in a normal position without pain.

 On Sat, Sep 2, 2017 at 8:23 PM, Joe Bernard 
 wrote:

>
> Yep. To do Brompton stuff you kinda need a Brompton. Your bike is a
> renamed Boardwalk, which is really more of a 'ride from the boat to the
> truck' design. Here's another shot that shows better how the bag fits on
> the bike.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Quickbeam over Mt Tam

[Deacon Patrick]

I know you've made your bike the grocery trolley. Is there a reason that 
doesn't work? Would doing so tick all the boxes?

With abandon,
Patrick

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>
> Me, I want a bike that folds enough to fit into a grocery trolley, but 
> that, otherwise, rides like a full sized bike. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Quickbeam over Mt Tam

[Joseph Bernard]

I'll let others chime in (although they may consider this thread hijacked
enough already), but as far as I'm concerned those reviews are bollocks.
All small-wheelers handle quick, but that can be mitigated on a Brompton
with a couple pounds over the front wheel. Yesterday I rode my Clem L,
today I rode the Brompton; they both go straight and turn like bicycles,
with one being more stable and one feeling like a sports car. I like both.

On Sep 2, 2017 8:01 PM, "Patrick Moore"  wrote:

> Question: I've read many comparative reviews of folders, and in many of
> them I've read that 20" Dahons ride more like "real bikes" than 16" wheel
> Bromptons; that Bromptons are the #1 choice if you want quick and easy
> folding, but if you want a ride that is closer to that of a full sized
> bike, choose something else/
>
> This is repeated again and again. Bromptons fold very nicely, but that is
> their sole competitive advantage. Other folders ride better. Generally, the
> reviews say that the easier and smaller the folding, the less the ride
> quality, and e converso.
>
> Also, straight bars are an immediate disbarment.
>
> Me, I want a bike that folds enough to fit into a grocery trolley, but
> that, otherwise, rides like a full sized bike.
>
> Will others chime in?
>
> On Sat, Sep 2, 2017 at 8:36 PM, Joseph Bernard 
> wrote:
>
>> I see your point about the bars, but I've ridden a lot of Dahons and the
>> Brommie rides at least as well as they do. I just finished a 10 mile ride
>> on mine and would easily triple it without a thought. They make a
>> singlespeed that could be converted to fixie.
>>
>> On Sep 2, 2017 7:31 PM, "Patrick Moore"  wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks. Oh well; if I could find a Brompton that could give me an
>>> almost-road-bike riding position (as the HS does with 2" bar extender and
>>> original Moustache bar), and let me set it up as a fixed gear, I'd think of
>>> buying one. I don't want a bike whose principal benefit is folding small,
>>> while its riding qualities are distant from those of full sized bikes.
>>>
>>> The HS is not bad at all; "boat to truck" doesn't do it justice. I want
>>> a folder that I can ride 20 miles in a normal position without pain.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Sep 2, 2017 at 8:23 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>

 Yep. To do Brompton stuff you kinda need a Brompton. Your bike is a
 renamed Boardwalk, which is really more of a 'ride from the boat to the
 truck' design. Here's another shot that shows better how the bag fits on
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Re: [RBW] Re: Quickbeam over Mt Tam

[Patrick Moore]

Question: I've read many comparative reviews of folders, and in many of
them I've read that 20" Dahons ride more like "real bikes" than 16" wheel
Bromptons; that Bromptons are the #1 choice if you want quick and easy
folding, but if you want a ride that is closer to that of a full sized
bike, choose something else/

This is repeated again and again. Bromptons fold very nicely, but that is
their sole competitive advantage. Other folders ride better. Generally, the
reviews say that the easier and smaller the folding, the less the ride
quality, and e converso.

Also, straight bars are an immediate disbarment.

Me, I want a bike that folds enough to fit into a grocery trolley, but
that, otherwise, rides like a full sized bike.

Will others chime in?

On Sat, Sep 2, 2017 at 8:36 PM, Joseph Bernard  wrote:

> I see your point about the bars, but I've ridden a lot of Dahons and the
> Brommie rides at least as well as they do. I just finished a 10 mile ride
> on mine and would easily triple it without a thought. They make a
> singlespeed that could be converted to fixie.
>
> On Sep 2, 2017 7:31 PM, "Patrick Moore"  wrote:
>
>> Thanks. Oh well; if I could find a Brompton that could give me an
>> almost-road-bike riding position (as the HS does with 2" bar extender and
>> original Moustache bar), and let me set it up as a fixed gear, I'd think of
>> buying one. I don't want a bike whose principal benefit is folding small,
>> while its riding qualities are distant from those of full sized bikes.
>>
>> The HS is not bad at all; "boat to truck" doesn't do it justice. I want a
>> folder that I can ride 20 miles in a normal position without pain.
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 2, 2017 at 8:23 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Yep. To do Brompton stuff you kinda need a Brompton. Your bike is a
>>> renamed Boardwalk, which is really more of a 'ride from the boat to the
>>> truck' design. Here's another shot that shows better how the bag fits on
>>> the bike.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Quickbeam over Mt Tam

[Joseph Bernard]

I see your point about the bars, but I've ridden a lot of Dahons and the
Brommie rides at least as well as they do. I just finished a 10 mile ride
on mine and would easily triple it without a thought. They make a
singlespeed that could be converted to fixie.

On Sep 2, 2017 7:31 PM, "Patrick Moore"  wrote:

> Thanks. Oh well; if I could find a Brompton that could give me an
> almost-road-bike riding position (as the HS does with 2" bar extender and
> original Moustache bar), and let me set it up as a fixed gear, I'd think of
> buying one. I don't want a bike whose principal benefit is folding small,
> while its riding qualities are distant from those of full sized bikes.
>
> The HS is not bad at all; "boat to truck" doesn't do it justice. I want a
> folder that I can ride 20 miles in a normal position without pain.
>
> On Sat, Sep 2, 2017 at 8:23 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
>>
>> Yep. To do Brompton stuff you kinda need a Brompton. Your bike is a
>> renamed Boardwalk, which is really more of a 'ride from the boat to the
>> truck' design. Here's another shot that shows better how the bag fits on
>> the bike.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Quickbeam over Mt Tam

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks. Oh well; if I could find a Brompton that could give me an
almost-road-bike riding position (as the HS does with 2" bar extender and
original Moustache bar), and let me set it up as a fixed gear, I'd think of
buying one. I don't want a bike whose principal benefit is folding small,
while its riding qualities are distant from those of full sized bikes.

The HS is not bad at all; "boat to truck" doesn't do it justice. I want a
folder that I can ride 20 miles in a normal position without pain.

On Sat, Sep 2, 2017 at 8:23 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:

>
> Yep. To do Brompton stuff you kinda need a Brompton. Your bike is a
> renamed Boardwalk, which is really more of a 'ride from the boat to the
> truck' design. Here's another shot that shows better how the bag fits on
> the bike.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Quickbeam over Mt Tam

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks. Now that would do the trick! But I guess that it works only with a
proprietary Brompton mounting system?



On Sat, Sep 2, 2017 at 6:59 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:

> Patrick, here's my new Brompton (I sold the electric one) with a Brompton
> C Bag. It's huge, and they make huger ones.
>
> Hey Ash, it's a circus bike at Tilden Park!
>
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> quest to make my Dahon Hon Solo a load carrier.
> >
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> > Would you mind posting a photo of your Bompton with touring bags? I'd
> like to see what sort of system you use.
> >
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
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> >
> >
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Re: [RBW] Re: Quickbeam over Mt Tam

[Patrick Moore]

John: You breathe new, and doubtless still forlorn hope in my despairing
quest to make my Dahon Hon Solo a load carrier.

Would you mind posting a photo of your Bompton with touring bags? I'd like
to see what sort of system you use.

Thanks.

Patrick Moore, who has 2 other load carrying bikes, in ABQ, NM

On Sat, Sep 2, 2017 at 9:33 AM, Surlyprof  wrote:

> [Snippo ...]
> John
> Whose Brompton with touring bag has made commuting on public transport and
> grocery shopping so much nicer.
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[RBW] Re: Quickbeam over Mt Tam

[Surlyprof]

Not true, Joe.  My students were amazed when I showed up to class on my 
bright lime green Brompton (with unfortunately chosen lime green helmet). 
 Most had never seen one.  I told them that my wife bought it for me when I 
graduated from clown college.  They never know when I'm being sarcastic so 
I think there are now rumors going around campus that I spend my summers 
touring with the circus!

John 
Whose Brompton with touring bag has made commuting on public transport and 
grocery shopping so much nicer.

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>
> I assure you, you are the first person to ever call a folder a circus bike 
> ;-)

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[RBW] Re: Quickbeam over Mt Tam

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I assure you, you are the first person to ever call a folder a circus bike ;-)

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[RBW] Re: Quickbeam over Mt Tam

[Ash [who works to bike]]

Brompton?!!   Take some pictures.   I mean ask someone to take pictures of 
you riding a Brompton :)  I always chuckle when I see someone on a Brompton 
because it reminds of circus!

Hey Christian, is there any easy way for you too share the route you rode? 
 Thanks..

 

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> I need to do it, too, Ash. It's kinda ridiculous that I live here and 
> haven't ridden most of that route. I need to toss the Brompton in the car 
> and get out there. 

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[RBW] Re: Quickbeam over Mt Tam

[Ryan Fleming]

Quite the adventure and I'm glad someone found your keys ! great pictures 
and write-up

On Wednesday, August 30, 2017 at 8:41:58 PM UTC-5, christian poppell wrote:
>
> Originally titled this as "Adventures in Single Speeding" but I'm not 
> really sure if single speed counts as I have at least three speeds. They're 
> just not super accessible while underway. Until I think of another term 
> I'll call it single speeding. Also, the account is very San Francisco 
> specific but I've tried to describe it the best that I could. 
>
> I was off the bike for about a week while visiting family in Florida. I 
> did get in a short ride that amounted to 8 miles and about 100' elevation 
> crossing two bridges. When I got back to California I decided to ride the 
> Quickbeam to the top of Mt Tam via railroad grade, then take Coast View 
> down to Muir Beach for a late lunch. From there I could take the headlands 
> dirt or the paved road depending on how I was feeling.
>
> I got a late start Saturday morning. Ate a bigish breakfast and wrote a 
> few post cards. Swung through the post office on my way to bart and got 
> stamps to mail my cards. The BART ride was uneventful and I arrived at 
> Embarcadero station relatively quickly. I took my normal route through the 
> city along Embarcadero, branching off at North Point then over the hill to 
> Fort Mason. I Stopped at the Safeway in the Marina to get some snacks: 
> bananas, bars, cookie, and some cornbread. When I was leaving a woman with 
> a slight accent asked me if the way she locked her bicycle looked good to 
> me. I showed her the Sheldon way of locking (through the rear wheel between 
> the rear triangle) and we began talking. Her name was Marta and she is from 
> Barcelona visiting for a week. We talked about politics and other world 
> events for about two hours. Eventually we parted ways and I headed out 
> along Crissy field up to the bike path where there were swarms of tourists 
> on rental bicycles. I saw only one quick altercation where a road cyclist 
> was chirping at the tourists to get the F out of the way.
>
> After a slow bridge crossing I dipped down in to Sausalito. I had to 
> gently tell a tourist not to use their phone while riding. It was really 
> dangerous moving through Sausalito. Lots of inattentive inexperienced 
> riders with heavy cross winds in the road. I was glad to get out of there.
>
> Fighting a slight headwind, I eventually made it to Mill Valley and on to 
> Old Railroad Grade. I really wasn’t feeling too great on the ride up. I'm 
> not sure if it was the week off the bike or lack of food. I felt pretty 
> gassed. I stopped along the side less than halfway up and ate. After that I 
> felt a little better, but the whole ride up to West Point inn I had to push 
> myself. After the inn I was passed by a guy who was either riding an e-MTB 
> or he was the strongest rider I had ever seen. I’m fairly certain it was 
> the former but I didn’t see him again to ask. Eventually I got into a 
> rhythm near the top. I spoke to a guy with a nice Steve Rex road bike with 
> an older Campagnolo ergo group. Said he had it since the late 90's and 
> enjoyed it very much. It looked like a great bike. 
>
>
>
> 
>
> *Quickbeam at the top of Mt T**amalpais*
>
> Before heading downhill I switched into my freewheel and pumped up my rear 
> tire a bit to avoid pinch flats. I was cruising down and boosting off some 
> of the little berms on railroad grade. The last one I hit a little sideways 
> and almost lost it on the landing. Fun stuff.
>
> Coasted past West Point Inn and down to Pantoll campground. At the 
> intersection I met a guy named Gary who has ridden in the area for a while. 
> He was physics professor that was living in China. His son is also in 
> physics and did his PhD in fluid dynamics. We talked for about an hour or 
> so about the Bay Area and riding.
>
>
>
> 
>
> *taken from the picnic table, SUPER FUN!*
>
> I made it to the Coast View Trail in a heavy fog and light rain. Coast 
> View is one of my favorite rides in the area. It's not so steep that you're 
> constantly braking hard and the trail is a good mix of easy and 
> semi-technical riding, especially on a road bike with larger tires. I 
> pushed myself to go a little faster than normal on the trail as I felt that 
> there weren’t any others using the trail at the later hour (around 6:30pm). 
> Turns out I was right and I hadn’t seen anyone coming the opposite 
> direction since I left the top of Mt. Tam. I rattled my teeth out on the 
> bumpy sections and bunny hopped the water gates. I had a lot of fun and 
> even said it out loud a few times that the trail was awesome!
>
>
>
> 

[RBW] Re: Quickbeam over Mt Tam

[christian poppell]

Thanks Phillip, 

I think for me, riding alone has a lot of advantages. People seem to really 
want to talk, and I don't have any pressure to be anywhere or to ride a 
certain way. I met you and your gang out riding and was able to switch up 
my plans without hesitation. I don't think I've ever met a stranger when on 
a solo ride. Most of my conversations start around the bicycle and maybe 
the fact that my appearance doesn't fit into what a typical cyclist in the 
area looks like. I've met some really great and interesting people and 
that's what I like about cycling is the conversations and exposure to the 
world.

Also, here is a previous write up on a S24O outing on the QB: 
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/8AYdSsNsh7E

Christian
Berkeley, CA

On Thursday, August 31, 2017 at 12:18:08 PM UTC-7, Philip Williamson wrote:
>
> Hey Christian, that's a beautiful write-up! It's especially resonant for 
> me, with Mt Tam and the Quickbeam. 
> I love that you put so much energy into conversing with strangers. 
>
> Philip
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[RBW] Re: Quickbeam over Mt Tam

[Joe Bernard]

I need to do it, too, Ash. It's kinda ridiculous that I live here and haven't 
ridden most of that route. I need to toss the Brompton in the car and get out 
there. 

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[RBW] Re: Quickbeam over Mt Tam

[Ash [who works to bike]]

Going out for this ride would be my dream Saturday!  Hope I'll get time 
some time for myself one of these weekends.

Thanks for the write up (and the idea) Christian!



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>
> Originally titled this as "Adventures in Single Speeding" but I'm not 
> really sure if single speed counts as I have at least three speeds. They're 
> just not super accessible while underway. Until I think of another term 
> I'll call it single speeding. Also, the account is very San Francisco 
> specific but I've tried to describe it the best that I could. 
>
> I was off the bike for about a week while visiting family in Florida. I 
> did get in a short ride that amounted to 8 miles and about 100' elevation 
> crossing two bridges. When I got back to California I decided to ride the 
> Quickbeam to the top of Mt Tam via railroad grade, then take Coast View 
> down to Muir Beach for a late lunch. From there I could take the headlands 
> dirt or the paved road depending on how I was feeling.
>
> I got a late start Saturday morning. Ate a bigish breakfast and wrote a 
> few post cards. Swung through the post office on my way to bart and got 
> stamps to mail my cards. The BART ride was uneventful and I arrived at 
> Embarcadero station relatively quickly. I took my normal route through the 
> city along Embarcadero, branching off at North Point then over the hill to 
> Fort Mason. I Stopped at the Safeway in the Marina to get some snacks: 
> bananas, bars, cookie, and some cornbread. When I was leaving a woman with 
> a slight accent asked me if the way she locked her bicycle looked good to 
> me. I showed her the Sheldon way of locking (through the rear wheel between 
> the rear triangle) and we began talking. Her name was Marta and she is from 
> Barcelona visiting for a week. We talked about politics and other world 
> events for about two hours. Eventually we parted ways and I headed out 
> along Crissy field up to the bike path where there were swarms of tourists 
> on rental bicycles. I saw only one quick altercation where a road cyclist 
> was chirping at the tourists to get the F out of the way.
>
> After a slow bridge crossing I dipped down in to Sausalito. I had to 
> gently tell a tourist not to use their phone while riding. It was really 
> dangerous moving through Sausalito. Lots of inattentive inexperienced 
> riders with heavy cross winds in the road. I was glad to get out of there.
>
> Fighting a slight headwind, I eventually made it to Mill Valley and on to 
> Old Railroad Grade. I really wasn’t feeling too great on the ride up. I'm 
> not sure if it was the week off the bike or lack of food. I felt pretty 
> gassed. I stopped along the side less than halfway up and ate. After that I 
> felt a little better, but the whole ride up to West Point inn I had to push 
> myself. After the inn I was passed by a guy who was either riding an e-MTB 
> or he was the strongest rider I had ever seen. I’m fairly certain it was 
> the former but I didn’t see him again to ask. Eventually I got into a 
> rhythm near the top. I spoke to a guy with a nice Steve Rex road bike with 
> an older Campagnolo ergo group. Said he had it since the late 90's and 
> enjoyed it very much. It looked like a great bike. 
>
>
>
> 
>
> *Quickbeam at the top of Mt T**amalpais*
>
> Before heading downhill I switched into my freewheel and pumped up my rear 
> tire a bit to avoid pinch flats. I was cruising down and boosting off some 
> of the little berms on railroad grade. The last one I hit a little sideways 
> and almost lost it on the landing. Fun stuff.
>
> Coasted past West Point Inn and down to Pantoll campground. At the 
> intersection I met a guy named Gary who has ridden in the area for a while. 
> He was physics professor that was living in China. His son is also in 
> physics and did his PhD in fluid dynamics. We talked for about an hour or 
> so about the Bay Area and riding.
>
>
>
> 
>
> *taken from the picnic table, SUPER FUN!*
>
> I made it to the Coast View Trail in a heavy fog and light rain. Coast 
> View is one of my favorite rides in the area. It's not so steep that you're 
> constantly braking hard and the trail is a good mix of easy and 
> semi-technical riding, especially on a road bike with larger tires. I 
> pushed myself to go a little faster than normal on the trail as I felt that 
> there weren’t any others using the trail at the later hour (around 6:30pm). 
> Turns out I was right and I hadn’t seen anyone coming the opposite 
> direction since I left the top of Mt. Tam. I rattled my teeth out on the 
> bumpy sections and bunny hopped the water gates. I had a lot of fun and 
> even said it out 

Re: [RBW] Re: Quickbeam over Mt Tam

[Bill Gibson]

Ah, that is how I remember Marin. So much fog, my glasses
were...impenetrable. I resorted to continuous wiping with my fingers.

Bill in Tempe, who grew up in Austin, Texas, where a saying once went:
Onward! Into the Fog!

On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 7:19 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Thanks for the story and photos. I like your setup, and I envy you your
> rolling dirt roads with firmish dirt.
>
> Patrick Moore, who once lost his keys on a dirt road, went back to look
> for them and bothered all the walkers and joggers, and got home to find
> them inside his house, in ABQ, NM.
>
> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 9:38 AM, alan lavine  wrote:
>
>> Could you share the details of your drive train and gearing, please?
>> Maybe photos?
>> Thanks
>> Alan NYC
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 30, 2017 at 9:41:58 PM UTC-4, christian poppell
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Originally titled this as "Adventures in Single Speeding" but I'm not
>>> really sure if single speed counts as I have at least three speeds. They're
>>> just not super accessible while underway. Until I think of another term
>>> I'll call it single speeding. Also, the account is very San Francisco
>>> specific but I've tried to describe it the best that I could.
>>>
>>> I was off the bike for about a week while visiting family in Florida. I
>>> did get in a short ride that amounted to 8 miles and about 100' elevation
>>> crossing two bridges. When I got back to California I decided to ride the
>>> Quickbeam to the top of Mt Tam via railroad grade, then take Coast View
>>> down to Muir Beach for a late lunch. From there I could take the headlands
>>> dirt or the paved road depending on how I was feeling.
>>>
>>> I got a late start Saturday morning. Ate a bigish breakfast and wrote a
>>> few post cards. Swung through the post office on my way to bart and got
>>> stamps to mail my cards. The BART ride was uneventful and I arrived at
>>> Embarcadero station relatively quickly. I took my normal route through the
>>> city along Embarcadero, branching off at North Point then over the hill to
>>> Fort Mason. I Stopped at the Safeway in the Marina to get some snacks:
>>> bananas, bars, cookie, and some cornbread. When I was leaving a woman with
>>> a slight accent asked me if the way she locked her bicycle looked good to
>>> me. I showed her the Sheldon way of locking (through the rear wheel between
>>> the rear triangle) and we began talking. Her name was Marta and she is from
>>> Barcelona visiting for a week. We talked about politics and other world
>>> events for about two hours. Eventually we parted ways and I headed out
>>> along Crissy field up to the bike path where there were swarms of tourists
>>> on rental bicycles. I saw only one quick altercation where a road cyclist
>>> was chirping at the tourists to get the F out of the way.
>>>
>>> After a slow bridge crossing I dipped down in to Sausalito. I had to
>>> gently tell a tourist not to use their phone while riding. It was really
>>> dangerous moving through Sausalito. Lots of inattentive inexperienced
>>> riders with heavy cross winds in the road. I was glad to get out of there.
>>>
>>> Fighting a slight headwind, I eventually made it to Mill Valley and on
>>> to Old Railroad Grade. I really wasn’t feeling too great on the ride up.
>>> I'm not sure if it was the week off the bike or lack of food. I felt pretty
>>> gassed. I stopped along the side less than halfway up and ate. After that I
>>> felt a little better, but the whole ride up to West Point inn I had to push
>>> myself. After the inn I was passed by a guy who was either riding an e-MTB
>>> or he was the strongest rider I had ever seen. I’m fairly certain it was
>>> the former but I didn’t see him again to ask. Eventually I got into a
>>> rhythm near the top. I spoke to a guy with a nice Steve Rex road bike with
>>> an older Campagnolo ergo group. Said he had it since the late 90's and
>>> enjoyed it very much. It looked like a great bike.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> *Quickbeam at the top of Mt T**amalpais*
>>>
>>> Before heading downhill I switched into my freewheel and pumped up my
>>> rear tire a bit to avoid pinch flats. I was cruising down and boosting off
>>> some of the little berms on railroad grade. The last one I hit a little
>>> sideways and almost lost it on the landing. Fun stuff.
>>>
>>> Coasted past West Point Inn and down to Pantoll campground. At the
>>> intersection I met a guy named Gary who has ridden in the area for a while.
>>> He was physics professor that was living in China. His son is also in
>>> physics and did his PhD in fluid dynamics. We talked for about an hour or
>>> so about the Bay Area and riding.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> 

Re: [RBW] Re: Quickbeam over Mt Tam

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks for the story and photos. I like your setup, and I envy you your
rolling dirt roads with firmish dirt.

Patrick Moore, who once lost his keys on a dirt road, went back to look for
them and bothered all the walkers and joggers, and got home to find them
inside his house, in ABQ, NM.

On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 9:38 AM, alan lavine  wrote:

> Could you share the details of your drive train and gearing, please?
> Maybe photos?
> Thanks
> Alan NYC
>
>
> On Wednesday, August 30, 2017 at 9:41:58 PM UTC-4, christian poppell wrote:
>>
>> Originally titled this as "Adventures in Single Speeding" but I'm not
>> really sure if single speed counts as I have at least three speeds. They're
>> just not super accessible while underway. Until I think of another term
>> I'll call it single speeding. Also, the account is very San Francisco
>> specific but I've tried to describe it the best that I could.
>>
>> I was off the bike for about a week while visiting family in Florida. I
>> did get in a short ride that amounted to 8 miles and about 100' elevation
>> crossing two bridges. When I got back to California I decided to ride the
>> Quickbeam to the top of Mt Tam via railroad grade, then take Coast View
>> down to Muir Beach for a late lunch. From there I could take the headlands
>> dirt or the paved road depending on how I was feeling.
>>
>> I got a late start Saturday morning. Ate a bigish breakfast and wrote a
>> few post cards. Swung through the post office on my way to bart and got
>> stamps to mail my cards. The BART ride was uneventful and I arrived at
>> Embarcadero station relatively quickly. I took my normal route through the
>> city along Embarcadero, branching off at North Point then over the hill to
>> Fort Mason. I Stopped at the Safeway in the Marina to get some snacks:
>> bananas, bars, cookie, and some cornbread. When I was leaving a woman with
>> a slight accent asked me if the way she locked her bicycle looked good to
>> me. I showed her the Sheldon way of locking (through the rear wheel between
>> the rear triangle) and we began talking. Her name was Marta and she is from
>> Barcelona visiting for a week. We talked about politics and other world
>> events for about two hours. Eventually we parted ways and I headed out
>> along Crissy field up to the bike path where there were swarms of tourists
>> on rental bicycles. I saw only one quick altercation where a road cyclist
>> was chirping at the tourists to get the F out of the way.
>>
>> After a slow bridge crossing I dipped down in to Sausalito. I had to
>> gently tell a tourist not to use their phone while riding. It was really
>> dangerous moving through Sausalito. Lots of inattentive inexperienced
>> riders with heavy cross winds in the road. I was glad to get out of there.
>>
>> Fighting a slight headwind, I eventually made it to Mill Valley and on to
>> Old Railroad Grade. I really wasn’t feeling too great on the ride up. I'm
>> not sure if it was the week off the bike or lack of food. I felt pretty
>> gassed. I stopped along the side less than halfway up and ate. After that I
>> felt a little better, but the whole ride up to West Point inn I had to push
>> myself. After the inn I was passed by a guy who was either riding an e-MTB
>> or he was the strongest rider I had ever seen. I’m fairly certain it was
>> the former but I didn’t see him again to ask. Eventually I got into a
>> rhythm near the top. I spoke to a guy with a nice Steve Rex road bike with
>> an older Campagnolo ergo group. Said he had it since the late 90's and
>> enjoyed it very much. It looked like a great bike.
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> *Quickbeam at the top of Mt T**amalpais*
>>
>> Before heading downhill I switched into my freewheel and pumped up my
>> rear tire a bit to avoid pinch flats. I was cruising down and boosting off
>> some of the little berms on railroad grade. The last one I hit a little
>> sideways and almost lost it on the landing. Fun stuff.
>>
>> Coasted past West Point Inn and down to Pantoll campground. At the
>> intersection I met a guy named Gary who has ridden in the area for a while.
>> He was physics professor that was living in China. His son is also in
>> physics and did his PhD in fluid dynamics. We talked for about an hour or
>> so about the Bay Area and riding.
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> *taken from the picnic table, SUPER FUN!*
>>
>> I made it to the Coast View Trail in a heavy fog and light rain. Coast
>> View is one of my favorite rides in the area. It's not so steep that you're
>> constantly braking hard and the trail is a good mix of easy and
>> semi-technical riding, especially on a road bike with larger tires. I
>> pushed myself to go a little faster than normal on the 

[RBW] Re: Quickbeam over Mt Tam

[Philip Williamson]

Hey Christian, that's a beautiful write-up! It's especially resonant for 
me, with Mt Tam and the Quickbeam. 
I love that you put so much energy into conversing with strangers. 

Philip
www.biketinker.com

On Wednesday, August 30, 2017 at 6:41:58 PM UTC-7, christian poppell wrote:
>
> Originally titled this as "Adventures in Single Speeding" but I'm not 
> really sure if single speed counts as I have at least three speeds. They're 
> just not super accessible while underway. Until I think of another term 
> I'll call it single speeding. Also, the account is very San Francisco 
> specific but I've tried to describe it the best that I could. 
>
> I was off the bike for about a week while visiting family in Florida. I 
> did get in a short ride that amounted to 8 miles and about 100' elevation 
> crossing two bridges. When I got back to California I decided to ride the 
> Quickbeam to the top of Mt Tam via railroad grade, then take Coast View 
> down to Muir Beach for a late lunch. From there I could take the headlands 
> dirt or the paved road depending on how I was feeling.
>
> I got a late start Saturday morning. Ate a bigish breakfast and wrote a 
> few post cards. Swung through the post office on my way to bart and got 
> stamps to mail my cards. The BART ride was uneventful and I arrived at 
> Embarcadero station relatively quickly. I took my normal route through the 
> city along Embarcadero, branching off at North Point then over the hill to 
> Fort Mason. I Stopped at the Safeway in the Marina to get some snacks: 
> bananas, bars, cookie, and some cornbread. When I was leaving a woman with 
> a slight accent asked me if the way she locked her bicycle looked good to 
> me. I showed her the Sheldon way of locking (through the rear wheel between 
> the rear triangle) and we began talking. Her name was Marta and she is from 
> Barcelona visiting for a week. We talked about politics and other world 
> events for about two hours. Eventually we parted ways and I headed out 
> along Crissy field up to the bike path where there were swarms of tourists 
> on rental bicycles. I saw only one quick altercation where a road cyclist 
> was chirping at the tourists to get the F out of the way.
>
> After a slow bridge crossing I dipped down in to Sausalito. I had to 
> gently tell a tourist not to use their phone while riding. It was really 
> dangerous moving through Sausalito. Lots of inattentive inexperienced 
> riders with heavy cross winds in the road. I was glad to get out of there.
>
> Fighting a slight headwind, I eventually made it to Mill Valley and on to 
> Old Railroad Grade. I really wasn’t feeling too great on the ride up. I'm 
> not sure if it was the week off the bike or lack of food. I felt pretty 
> gassed. I stopped along the side less than halfway up and ate. After that I 
> felt a little better, but the whole ride up to West Point inn I had to push 
> myself. After the inn I was passed by a guy who was either riding an e-MTB 
> or he was the strongest rider I had ever seen. I’m fairly certain it was 
> the former but I didn’t see him again to ask. Eventually I got into a 
> rhythm near the top. I spoke to a guy with a nice Steve Rex road bike with 
> an older Campagnolo ergo group. Said he had it since the late 90's and 
> enjoyed it very much. It looked like a great bike. 
>
>
>
> 
>
> *Quickbeam at the top of Mt T**amalpais*
>
> Before heading downhill I switched into my freewheel and pumped up my rear 
> tire a bit to avoid pinch flats. I was cruising down and boosting off some 
> of the little berms on railroad grade. The last one I hit a little sideways 
> and almost lost it on the landing. Fun stuff.
>
> Coasted past West Point Inn and down to Pantoll campground. At the 
> intersection I met a guy named Gary who has ridden in the area for a while. 
> He was physics professor that was living in China. His son is also in 
> physics and did his PhD in fluid dynamics. We talked for about an hour or 
> so about the Bay Area and riding.
>
>
>
> 
>
> *taken from the picnic table, SUPER FUN!*
>
> I made it to the Coast View Trail in a heavy fog and light rain. Coast 
> View is one of my favorite rides in the area. It's not so steep that you're 
> constantly braking hard and the trail is a good mix of easy and 
> semi-technical riding, especially on a road bike with larger tires. I 
> pushed myself to go a little faster than normal on the trail as I felt that 
> there weren’t any others using the trail at the later hour (around 6:30pm). 
> Turns out I was right and I hadn’t seen anyone coming the opposite 
> direction since I left the top of Mt. Tam. I rattled my teeth out on the 
> bumpy sections and bunny hopped the water gates. I 

[RBW] Re: Quickbeam over Mt Tam

[christian poppell]

Gearing up front is a Sugino Mighty Tour 110bcd double with 40/36 rings. 
Rear is a Phil hub with a surly dingle fixed cog 21/17 on one side and a 
ACS 17t freewheel on the other side. Using a 6/7/8 speed chain. Only use 
the freewheel downhill. Gear combinations that work are 40/17, 36/17 and 
36/21. Ill take some photos soon and upload them. 

I purchased the frame from this list and rode it with a co-op gruppo 
purchased for 90$. After a few months I built some wheels and dialed it in 
a little to where it is now. Only change i want to make now are a little 
longer stem and a front rack with lowriders. all of that will be soon. 

Thanks again everyone!



On Thursday, August 31, 2017 at 8:38:44 AM UTC-7, alan lavine wrote:
>
> Could you share the details of your drive train and gearing, please? 
>  Maybe photos?
> Thanks
> Alan NYC
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Quickbeam over Mt Tam

[alan lavine]

Could you share the details of your drive train and gearing, please?  Maybe 
photos?
Thanks
Alan NYC

On Wednesday, August 30, 2017 at 9:41:58 PM UTC-4, christian poppell wrote:
>
> Originally titled this as "Adventures in Single Speeding" but I'm not 
> really sure if single speed counts as I have at least three speeds. They're 
> just not super accessible while underway. Until I think of another term 
> I'll call it single speeding. Also, the account is very San Francisco 
> specific but I've tried to describe it the best that I could. 
>
> I was off the bike for about a week while visiting family in Florida. I 
> did get in a short ride that amounted to 8 miles and about 100' elevation 
> crossing two bridges. When I got back to California I decided to ride the 
> Quickbeam to the top of Mt Tam via railroad grade, then take Coast View 
> down to Muir Beach for a late lunch. From there I could take the headlands 
> dirt or the paved road depending on how I was feeling.
>
> I got a late start Saturday morning. Ate a bigish breakfast and wrote a 
> few post cards. Swung through the post office on my way to bart and got 
> stamps to mail my cards. The BART ride was uneventful and I arrived at 
> Embarcadero station relatively quickly. I took my normal route through the 
> city along Embarcadero, branching off at North Point then over the hill to 
> Fort Mason. I Stopped at the Safeway in the Marina to get some snacks: 
> bananas, bars, cookie, and some cornbread. When I was leaving a woman with 
> a slight accent asked me if the way she locked her bicycle looked good to 
> me. I showed her the Sheldon way of locking (through the rear wheel between 
> the rear triangle) and we began talking. Her name was Marta and she is from 
> Barcelona visiting for a week. We talked about politics and other world 
> events for about two hours. Eventually we parted ways and I headed out 
> along Crissy field up to the bike path where there were swarms of tourists 
> on rental bicycles. I saw only one quick altercation where a road cyclist 
> was chirping at the tourists to get the F out of the way.
>
> After a slow bridge crossing I dipped down in to Sausalito. I had to 
> gently tell a tourist not to use their phone while riding. It was really 
> dangerous moving through Sausalito. Lots of inattentive inexperienced 
> riders with heavy cross winds in the road. I was glad to get out of there.
>
> Fighting a slight headwind, I eventually made it to Mill Valley and on to 
> Old Railroad Grade. I really wasn’t feeling too great on the ride up. I'm 
> not sure if it was the week off the bike or lack of food. I felt pretty 
> gassed. I stopped along the side less than halfway up and ate. After that I 
> felt a little better, but the whole ride up to West Point inn I had to push 
> myself. After the inn I was passed by a guy who was either riding an e-MTB 
> or he was the strongest rider I had ever seen. I’m fairly certain it was 
> the former but I didn’t see him again to ask. Eventually I got into a 
> rhythm near the top. I spoke to a guy with a nice Steve Rex road bike with 
> an older Campagnolo ergo group. Said he had it since the late 90's and 
> enjoyed it very much. It looked like a great bike. 
>
>
>
> 
>
> *Quickbeam at the top of Mt T**amalpais*
>
> Before heading downhill I switched into my freewheel and pumped up my rear 
> tire a bit to avoid pinch flats. I was cruising down and boosting off some 
> of the little berms on railroad grade. The last one I hit a little sideways 
> and almost lost it on the landing. Fun stuff.
>
> Coasted past West Point Inn and down to Pantoll campground. At the 
> intersection I met a guy named Gary who has ridden in the area for a while. 
> He was physics professor that was living in China. His son is also in 
> physics and did his PhD in fluid dynamics. We talked for about an hour or 
> so about the Bay Area and riding.
>
>
>
> 
>
> *taken from the picnic table, SUPER FUN!*
>
> I made it to the Coast View Trail in a heavy fog and light rain. Coast 
> View is one of my favorite rides in the area. It's not so steep that you're 
> constantly braking hard and the trail is a good mix of easy and 
> semi-technical riding, especially on a road bike with larger tires. I 
> pushed myself to go a little faster than normal on the trail as I felt that 
> there weren’t any others using the trail at the later hour (around 6:30pm). 
> Turns out I was right and I hadn’t seen anyone coming the opposite 
> direction since I left the top of Mt. Tam. I rattled my teeth out on the 
> bumpy sections and bunny hopped the water gates. I had a lot of fun and 
> even said it out loud a few times that the trail was awesome!
>
>
>
> 

[RBW] Re: Quickbeam over Mt Tam

[Deacon Patrick]

Quickbeams and mountains are a wondrous combination!

With abandon,
Patrick

On Wednesday, August 30, 2017 at 7:41:58 PM UTC-6, christian poppell wrote:
>
> Originally titled this as "Adventures in Single Speeding"
>

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[RBW] Re: Quickbeam over Mt Tam

[John G]

That's the way a Quickbeam should be used.  Nice!  Glad you recovered your 
keys.  I somehow dropped my wallet on a gravel road while changing a flat 
in Michaux State Forest in PA last year and after frantically searching for 
a couple of hours, got a call from my wife, who said a motorcyclist had 
found it and ridden over 40 miles out of his way to return it to my house 
in MD.  People can be really cool sometimes.



On Thursday, August 31, 2017 at 9:43:12 AM UTC-4, Eli Queen wrote:
>
> Wow, siting here in the northeast, those Marin Co. trails look magical. 
>
> Thanks for the ride report ... made my day.
>
> - Eli
>

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[RBW] Re: Quickbeam over Mt Tam

[Eli Queen]

Wow, siting here in the northeast, those Marin Co. trails look magical. 

Thanks for the ride report ... made my day.

- Eli

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