Re: [RBW] Re: Rad article on NYC delivery workers

2021-09-16 Thread Eric Marth 
Doug — Per the article, when called the police offer little help. When 
stolen bikes are reported the police do not follow up. The police do not 
seem to recognize the cost of the bikes ($2,000 -- $3,000) or, more 
importantly, the importance of the bikes to the delivery people as a way to 
make a living. 

The group in the story has been able to help one another retrieve bikes and 
get some shred of justice through organizing themselves! There are a few 
successes in the story where the group have used social media to congregate 
in large numbers to confront or chase down bike thieves. But these are very 
dangerous situations often with intense, insane and aggressive responses 
from thieves when confronted. 

While there are surveillance cameras on the bridge they are pointed at 
parked cars rather than pedestrian and bike thoroughfares. (The group has 
approached the Dept. of Transportation to have the cameras reoriented). And 
the area is seriously lacking in artificial light and very dark at night. 
Because there is inadequate infrastructure for safety and city agencies 
aren't offering much help (police dept. and dept. of transportation) the 
group have implemented a system to traverse the sketchy Willis Avenue 
Bridge in groups of no less than four. 
On Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 2:52:19 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:

> Who are these roving hoards of thieves? Why aren't they arrested and 
> prosecuted? I have no tolerance for crime especially against a vulnerable 
> population such as these immigrants who are trying hard to make a living. 
> Doug
>
> On Wednesday, September 15, 2021 at 9:39:27 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> And without the tyranny of the sweet technologies that were supposed to 
>> bring us into  the post-modern promised land. (Expletive deleted.)
>>
>> The tiffin wallahs are, if not an entire sub-caste, certainly the 
>> equivalent of a national professional guild; their situation, wholly sans 
>> IT and such unecessaries as writing, is professional and cooperative and 
>> --- "sustainable."
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 15, 2021 at 7:32 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>>> The NY magazine is very interesting, thanks for posting the link.
>>>
>>> The bike messengers remind me of Washington DC in the 1980s.
>>>
>>> But they've been doing this in India for generations: 
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dabbawala
>>>
>>> The politically incorrect term -- I gather from the Wikipedia entry -- 
>>> is what I knew them as: tiffin wallahs. A hugely complex, very large-scale, 
>>> multi-modal transportation  out and back operations, from thousands of 
>>> individual homes to thousands of offices and back again, dailly, with each 
>>> operator collecting dozens each of the tiffin boxes delivering them 
>>> practically error free despite the operators' generall illiteracy. The 
>>> first and last mile -- at least -- were by bicycle. Apparently you don't 
>>> need to be literate to run or be a part of huge, successful organizations 
>>> -- well, of course not!
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 15, 2021 at 4:53 PM John A. Bennett  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I haven't watched this recently, so I can't remember if there is 
 anything that's not G-Rated,
 language-wise, but it's a great "slice of life" from of bygone era. SF 
 locals will recognize a
 young Erik Zo, the messenger bag guy. 

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6EmbaZYRn8

 On Tuesday, September 14, 2021 at 11:57:53 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> A long piece on the insanely hard-working bicycle delivery people in 
> NYC. Terrible wages, robberies, stabbings, lack of worker protections. 
> They 
> all ride electric Arrow bikes but you don't have to tell your friction 
> shifters. Great read and excellent photos by Philip Montgomery. 
>
> https://www.curbed.com/article/nyc-delivery-workers.html
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rad article on NYC delivery workers

2021-09-16 Thread Doug H. 
Who are these roving hoards of thieves? Why aren't they arrested and 
prosecuted? I have no tolerance for crime especially against a vulnerable 
population such as these immigrants who are trying hard to make a living. 
Doug

On Wednesday, September 15, 2021 at 9:39:27 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> And without the tyranny of the sweet technologies that were supposed to 
> bring us into  the post-modern promised land. (Expletive deleted.)
>
> The tiffin wallahs are, if not an entire sub-caste, certainly the 
> equivalent of a national professional guild; their situation, wholly sans 
> IT and such unecessaries as writing, is professional and cooperative and 
> --- "sustainable."
>
> On Wed, Sep 15, 2021 at 7:32 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> The NY magazine is very interesting, thanks for posting the link.
>>
>> The bike messengers remind me of Washington DC in the 1980s.
>>
>> But they've been doing this in India for generations: 
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dabbawala
>>
>> The politically incorrect term -- I gather from the Wikipedia entry -- is 
>> what I knew them as: tiffin wallahs. A hugely complex, very large-scale, 
>> multi-modal transportation  out and back operations, from thousands of 
>> individual homes to thousands of offices and back again, dailly, with each 
>> operator collecting dozens each of the tiffin boxes delivering them 
>> practically error free despite the operators' generall illiteracy. The 
>> first and last mile -- at least -- were by bicycle. Apparently you don't 
>> need to be literate to run or be a part of huge, successful organizations 
>> -- well, of course not!
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 15, 2021 at 4:53 PM John A. Bennett  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I haven't watched this recently, so I can't remember if there is 
>>> anything that's not G-Rated,
>>> language-wise, but it's a great "slice of life" from of bygone era. SF 
>>> locals will recognize a
>>> young Erik Zo, the messenger bag guy. 
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6EmbaZYRn8
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, September 14, 2021 at 11:57:53 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 A long piece on the insanely hard-working bicycle delivery people in 
 NYC. Terrible wages, robberies, stabbings, lack of worker protections. 
 They 
 all ride electric Arrow bikes but you don't have to tell your friction 
 shifters. Great read and excellent photos by Philip Montgomery. 

 https://www.curbed.com/article/nyc-delivery-workers.html

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rad article on NYC delivery workers

2021-09-15 Thread Patrick Moore 
And without the tyranny of the sweet technologies that were supposed to
bring us into  the post-modern promised land. (Expletive deleted.)

The tiffin wallahs are, if not an entire sub-caste, certainly the
equivalent of a national professional guild; their situation, wholly sans
IT and such unecessaries as writing, is professional and cooperative and
--- "sustainable."

On Wed, Sep 15, 2021 at 7:32 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> The NY magazine is very interesting, thanks for posting the link.
>
> The bike messengers remind me of Washington DC in the 1980s.
>
> But they've been doing this in India for generations:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dabbawala
>
> The politically incorrect term -- I gather from the Wikipedia entry -- is
> what I knew them as: tiffin wallahs. A hugely complex, very large-scale,
> multi-modal transportation  out and back operations, from thousands of
> individual homes to thousands of offices and back again, dailly, with each
> operator collecting dozens each of the tiffin boxes delivering them
> practically error free despite the operators' generall illiteracy. The
> first and last mile -- at least -- were by bicycle. Apparently you don't
> need to be literate to run or be a part of huge, successful organizations
> -- well, of course not!
>
> On Wed, Sep 15, 2021 at 4:53 PM John A. Bennett 
> wrote:
>
>> I haven't watched this recently, so I can't remember if there is anything
>> that's not G-Rated,
>> language-wise, but it's a great "slice of life" from of bygone era. SF
>> locals will recognize a
>> young Erik Zo, the messenger bag guy.
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6EmbaZYRn8
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 14, 2021 at 11:57:53 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> A long piece on the insanely hard-working bicycle delivery people in
>>> NYC. Terrible wages, robberies, stabbings, lack of worker protections. They
>>> all ride electric Arrow bikes but you don't have to tell your friction
>>> shifters. Great read and excellent photos by Philip Montgomery.
>>>
>>> https://www.curbed.com/article/nyc-delivery-workers.html
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rad article on NYC delivery workers

2021-09-15 Thread Patrick Moore 
The NY magazine is very interesting, thanks for posting the link.

The bike messengers remind me of Washington DC in the 1980s.

But they've been doing this in India for generations:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dabbawala

The politically incorrect term -- I gather from the Wikipedia entry -- is
what I knew them as: tiffin wallahs. A hugely complex, very large-scale,
multi-modal transportation  out and back operations, from thousands of
individual homes to thousands of offices and back again, dailly, with each
operator collecting dozens each of the tiffin boxes delivering them
practically error free despite the operators' generall illiteracy. The
first and last mile -- at least -- were by bicycle. Apparently you don't
need to be literate to run or be a part of huge, successful organizations
-- well, of course not!

On Wed, Sep 15, 2021 at 4:53 PM John A. Bennett  wrote:

> I haven't watched this recently, so I can't remember if there is anything
> that's not G-Rated,
> language-wise, but it's a great "slice of life" from of bygone era. SF
> locals will recognize a
> young Erik Zo, the messenger bag guy.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6EmbaZYRn8
>
> On Tuesday, September 14, 2021 at 11:57:53 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> A long piece on the insanely hard-working bicycle delivery people in NYC.
>> Terrible wages, robberies, stabbings, lack of worker protections. They all
>> ride electric Arrow bikes but you don't have to tell your friction
>> shifters. Great read and excellent photos by Philip Montgomery.
>>
>> https://www.curbed.com/article/nyc-delivery-workers.html
>>
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[RBW] Re: Rad article on NYC delivery workers

2021-09-15 Thread John A. Bennett 
I haven't watched this recently, so I can't remember if there is anything 
that's not G-Rated,
language-wise, but it's a great "slice of life" from of bygone era. SF 
locals will recognize a
young Erik Zo, the messenger bag guy. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6EmbaZYRn8

On Tuesday, September 14, 2021 at 11:57:53 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> A long piece on the insanely hard-working bicycle delivery people in NYC. 
> Terrible wages, robberies, stabbings, lack of worker protections. They all 
> ride electric Arrow bikes but you don't have to tell your friction 
> shifters. Great read and excellent photos by Philip Montgomery. 
>
> https://www.curbed.com/article/nyc-delivery-workers.html
>

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[RBW] Re: Rad article on NYC delivery workers

2021-09-15 Thread Philip Barrett 
In the 80's I worked as a motorcycle delivery courier (despatch rider in 
the UK parlance) - brutal & dangerous work but on a bike you can at least 
out run traffic. I can't imagine doing this on a bicycle, electric or 
otherwise.

On Tuesday, September 14, 2021 at 8:40:15 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Completely captivating. Just wow. I was horrified and ensconced. Great 
> photos. REAL bike life. I wish there was more that could be done for those 
> NY delivery workers. The thieves were extraordinarily brazen - you usually 
> expect them to give up when confronted - but some of them became murderers 
> when challenged. I wasn’t expecting that. Thanks for that article, Eric. 
> Really enjoyed learning about the NY delivery workers. 
>
> On Tuesday, September 14, 2021 at 7:01:36 PM UTC-7 WilletM wrote:
>
>>
>> Thanks for sharing the link!  I've been absolutely mesmerized watching 
>> the bike messenger gathering spots on Market St during visits to SF over 
>> the last twenty years.  Between the bikes and the bags and the tattoos and 
>> the clothing, there is a very humbling lesson for me that THEY are the real 
>> deal and that I am the poser/gaper who tries to furtively steal a glance as 
>> I walk past.
>>
>> On the bright side, the whole messenger/courier subculture did motivate 
>> me to begin collecting messenger bags and packs 15 or 20 years ago, and I 
>> do combine that love for messenger gear with my all-things-bicycle 
>> infatuation and it makes for a great way to chill and enjoy after a hard 
>> day of work in the real world.
>>
>> Willet M.
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 14, 2021 at 12:57:53 PM UTC-6 eric...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> A long piece on the insanely hard-working bicycle delivery people in 
>>> NYC. Terrible wages, robberies, stabbings, lack of worker protections. They 
>>> all ride electric Arrow bikes but you don't have to tell your friction 
>>> shifters. Great read and excellent photos by Philip Montgomery. 
>>>
>>> https://www.curbed.com/article/nyc-delivery-workers.html
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Rad article on NYC delivery workers

2021-09-14 Thread Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
Completely captivating. Just wow. I was horrified and ensconced. Great 
photos. REAL bike life. I wish there was more that could be done for those 
NY delivery workers. The thieves were extraordinarily brazen - you usually 
expect them to give up when confronted - but some of them became murderers 
when challenged. I wasn’t expecting that. Thanks for that article, Eric. 
Really enjoyed learning about the NY delivery workers. 

On Tuesday, September 14, 2021 at 7:01:36 PM UTC-7 WilletM wrote:

>
> Thanks for sharing the link!  I've been absolutely mesmerized watching the 
> bike messenger gathering spots on Market St during visits to SF over the 
> last twenty years.  Between the bikes and the bags and the tattoos and the 
> clothing, there is a very humbling lesson for me that THEY are the real 
> deal and that I am the poser/gaper who tries to furtively steal a glance as 
> I walk past.
>
> On the bright side, the whole messenger/courier subculture did motivate me 
> to begin collecting messenger bags and packs 15 or 20 years ago, and I do 
> combine that love for messenger gear with my all-things-bicycle infatuation 
> and it makes for a great way to chill and enjoy after a hard day of work in 
> the real world.
>
> Willet M.
>
> On Tuesday, September 14, 2021 at 12:57:53 PM UTC-6 eric...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> A long piece on the insanely hard-working bicycle delivery people in NYC. 
>> Terrible wages, robberies, stabbings, lack of worker protections. They all 
>> ride electric Arrow bikes but you don't have to tell your friction 
>> shifters. Great read and excellent photos by Philip Montgomery. 
>>
>> https://www.curbed.com/article/nyc-delivery-workers.html
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Rad article on NYC delivery workers

2021-09-14 Thread 'WilletM' via RBW Owners Bunch 

Thanks for sharing the link!  I've been absolutely mesmerized watching the 
bike messenger gathering spots on Market St during visits to SF over the 
last twenty years.  Between the bikes and the bags and the tattoos and the 
clothing, there is a very humbling lesson for me that THEY are the real 
deal and that I am the poser/gaper who tries to furtively steal a glance as 
I walk past.

On the bright side, the whole messenger/courier subculture did motivate me 
to begin collecting messenger bags and packs 15 or 20 years ago, and I do 
combine that love for messenger gear with my all-things-bicycle infatuation 
and it makes for a great way to chill and enjoy after a hard day of work in 
the real world.

Willet M.

On Tuesday, September 14, 2021 at 12:57:53 PM UTC-6 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> A long piece on the insanely hard-working bicycle delivery people in NYC. 
> Terrible wages, robberies, stabbings, lack of worker protections. They all 
> ride electric Arrow bikes but you don't have to tell your friction 
> shifters. Great read and excellent photos by Philip Montgomery. 
>
> https://www.curbed.com/article/nyc-delivery-workers.html
>

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