Re: [RBW] Re: Recommendations for 44-46 mm 700c all rounder tires, must roll well on pavement?

2021-03-10 Thread Patrick Moore 
Thanks, David; at least the ORs are the right width. And as for your
delayed test ride, I'll probably procrastinate doing anything about this
bike, since I'm having too much fun on the Monocog (and the other Matthews).

On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 6:12 PM David Person  wrote:

> Patrick wrote - "I'll be interested to hear, about the Oracle Ridge, how
> wide it actually is on your Quills (24.5/21, I see), *and* how well they
> roll on pavement compared to the SPs."
>
> It may be awhile Patrick.  I plan on building up a Surly Disc Trucker,
> using the Quill rims and Oricle Ridge tires, but the due date for the frame
> sets keep getting pushed back, now sometime in May, though that subject to
> change.  But, I do have the wheels built and tires mounted.  So the 46mm I
> mentioned is the mounted width inflated to 30 psi.
>
> I do believe that the wider the rim, the wider the mounted tire width
> would be.
>
> On Tuesday, March 9, 2021 at 5:17:39 PM UTC-8 aeroperf wrote:
>
>> I run Velocity Atlas rims (on my Sam) and Velocity Dyad rims (on my
>> tourer).  I do mostly pavement riding.
>> I’ve run Continental Speed Ride tires for 5 years.  I haven’t had a flat
>> with them, ever (though that's probably just luck).  I run them at 50 psi.
>> They only come in one size - 622 x 42.  They cost about $25.  My last set
>> went 5000 miles.
>>
>> Try them.  For the price, if you don’t like them you can pitch them
>> without remorse.  But they certainly work for me.
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Recommendations for 44-46 mm 700c all rounder tires, must roll well on pavement?

2021-03-10 Thread David Person 
Patrick wrote - "I'll be interested to hear, about the Oracle Ridge, how 
wide it actually is on your Quills (24.5/21, I see), *and* how well they 
roll on pavement compared to the SPs."

It may be awhile Patrick.  I plan on building up a Surly Disc Trucker, 
using the Quill rims and Oricle Ridge tires, but the due date for the frame 
sets keep getting pushed back, now sometime in May, though that subject to 
change.  But, I do have the wheels built and tires mounted.  So the 46mm I 
mentioned is the mounted width inflated to 30 psi.

I do believe that the wider the rim, the wider the mounted tire width would 
be. 

On Tuesday, March 9, 2021 at 5:17:39 PM UTC-8 aeroperf wrote:

> I run Velocity Atlas rims (on my Sam) and Velocity Dyad rims (on my 
> tourer).  I do mostly pavement riding.
> I’ve run Continental Speed Ride tires for 5 years.  I haven’t had a flat 
> with them, ever (though that's probably just luck).  I run them at 50 psi.
> They only come in one size - 622 x 42.  They cost about $25.  My last set 
> went 5000 miles.
>
> Try them.  For the price, if you don’t like them you can pitch them 
> without remorse.  But they certainly work for me.
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Recommendations for 44-46 mm 700c all rounder tires, must roll well on pavement?

2021-03-09 Thread aeroperf 
I run Velocity Atlas rims (on my Sam) and Velocity Dyad rims (on my 
tourer).  I do mostly pavement riding.
I’ve run Continental Speed Ride tires for 5 years.  I haven’t had a flat 
with them, ever (though that's probably just luck).  I run them at 50 psi.
They only come in one size - 622 x 42.  They cost about $25.  My last set 
went 5000 miles.

Try them.  For the price, if you don’t like them you can pitch them without 
remorse.  But they certainly work for me.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Recommendations for 44-46 mm 700c all rounder tires, must roll well on pavement?

2021-03-09 Thread Patrick Moore 
David: Thanks for the measurement; that is narrow, tho' my rims are 35/27
instead of the (I think) 24/20 or so of the Dyads. Still, probably narrower
even on the wider rims, tho' if anyone can correct me, please do so.

I'll be interested to hear, about the Oracle Ridge, how wide it actually is
on your Quills (24.5/21, I see), *and* how well they roll on pavement
compared to the SPs.

Garth: This is why I want tires in the  more-or-less >42mm (but less than
50 mm, since I've tried 50s) range. 45 is what I'd like to try.

On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 3:26 PM David Person  wrote:

> I have a pair of Snoqualmie mounted on Velocity Dyad rims.  They measure
> out at 41mm wide.  I have the standard casing version.  I switched to these
> in the fall from a pair Barlow Pass ELs that I rode for 5 years before the
> tread on the rear started getting a bit thin.  To be honest, I can't tell a
> difference in riding quality between the standard and EL casing, so I'd say
> save your money and get the standard casing version.  I run them with tubes
> (Dyads are not tubeless compatible) and for extra protection against
> goatheads here in So.Cal. I use a set of Mr Tuffy's, which don't seem to
> affect the ride quality.
>
> I have a set of Oracle Ridge mounted on Velocity Quill rims that I built
> up for a new bike build but have not yet ridden them.  They measure 46mm
> wide.
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, March 9, 2021 at 12:57:38 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> The Matthews is a duck without a pond and I am trying to find new ponds
>> for it by swapping tires. Background: The Matthews was built expressly as a
>> bike set up as a road bike that can take 60s and fenders for our sand. Now
>> that I have the 3" WTB Rangers on the Monocog, the Matthews is out of a job.
>>
>> But perhaps some narrower tires would make the handling more, well, more
>> Rivendell like; perhaps worth the cost of a new pair.
>>
>> So, what do you recommend for 44-46 actual that are excellent on pavement
>> but that do well in light dirt?
>>
>> I guess the Snoqualmie Pass would be the benchmark, and I assume they
>> roll superlatively on pavement, so tell me you experience with these on
>> dirt. I'd buy the ELs.
>>
>> WTB Raddler or the apparently very similar Riddler? Resolute? Venture?
>> Has anyone used any of these and say how well they roll on pavement and
>> firmer dirt?
>>
>> Perhaps the RH Oracle Ridge rides well enough on pavement and runs a bit
>> small? Tell me your pavement experience with these.
>>
>> And tell me of other options.
>>
>> Or doers anyone want to trade for a quality ss 29er frameset that will
>> take 3.0"s with a bit of spare room? I ride a Medium in earlier Fargos and
>> Monocogs.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>>
>>
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>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>
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[RBW] Re: Recommendations for 44-46 mm 700c all rounder tires, must roll well on pavement?

2021-03-09 Thread Garth 
My only comment is about running much smaller tires on bikes with larger 
tires in mind @ design stage. I've ridden 36-38mm tires on my Bombadil and 
didn't like how it handled at all, the steering. With the full bodied 
"Rosie" Schwalbe Big Ben 50's(47+mm) , it felt like a different bike. I 
can't say that'd be the case with your Mathews though as you're the one 
riding it. 
On Tuesday, March 9, 2021 at 5:26:09 PM UTC-5 David Person wrote:

> I have a pair of Snoqualmie mounted on Velocity Dyad rims.  They measure 
> out at 41mm wide.  I have the standard casing version.  I switched to these 
> in the fall from a pair Barlow Pass ELs that I rode for 5 years before the 
> tread on the rear started getting a bit thin.  To be honest, I can't tell a 
> difference in riding quality between the standard and EL casing, so I'd say 
> save your money and get the standard casing version.  I run them with tubes 
> (Dyads are not tubeless compatible) and for extra protection against 
> goatheads here in So.Cal. I use a set of Mr Tuffy's, which don't seem to 
> affect the ride quality.
>
> I have a set of Oracle Ridge mounted on Velocity Quill rims that I built 
> up for a new bike build but have not yet ridden them.  They measure 46mm 
> wide.
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, March 9, 2021 at 12:57:38 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> The Matthews is a duck without a pond and I am trying to find new ponds 
>> for it by swapping tires. Background: The Matthews was built expressly as a 
>> bike set up as a road bike that can take 60s and fenders for our sand. Now 
>> that I have the 3" WTB Rangers on the Monocog, the Matthews is out of a job.
>>
>> But perhaps some narrower tires would make the handling more, well, more 
>> Rivendell like; perhaps worth the cost of a new pair. 
>>
>> So, what do you recommend for 44-46 actual that are excellent on pavement 
>> but that do well in light dirt?
>>
>> I guess the Snoqualmie Pass would be the benchmark, and I assume they 
>> roll superlatively on pavement, so tell me you experience with these on 
>> dirt. I'd buy the ELs.
>>
>> WTB Raddler or the apparently very similar Riddler? Resolute? Venture? 
>> Has anyone used any of these and say how well they roll on pavement and 
>> firmer dirt?
>>
>> Perhaps the RH Oracle Ridge rides well enough on pavement and runs a bit 
>> small? Tell me your pavement experience with these.
>>
>> And tell me of other options.
>>
>> Or doers anyone want to trade for a quality ss 29er frameset that will 
>> take 3.0"s with a bit of spare room? I ride a Medium in earlier Fargos and 
>> Monocogs.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>>
>>
>> -- 
>>
>> ---
>> Patrick Moore
>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Recommendations for 44-46 mm 700c all rounder tires, must roll well on pavement?

2021-03-09 Thread David Person 
I have a pair of Snoqualmie mounted on Velocity Dyad rims.  They measure 
out at 41mm wide.  I have the standard casing version.  I switched to these 
in the fall from a pair Barlow Pass ELs that I rode for 5 years before the 
tread on the rear started getting a bit thin.  To be honest, I can't tell a 
difference in riding quality between the standard and EL casing, so I'd say 
save your money and get the standard casing version.  I run them with tubes 
(Dyads are not tubeless compatible) and for extra protection against 
goatheads here in So.Cal. I use a set of Mr Tuffy's, which don't seem to 
affect the ride quality.

I have a set of Oracle Ridge mounted on Velocity Quill rims that I built up 
for a new bike build but have not yet ridden them.  They measure 46mm wide.



On Tuesday, March 9, 2021 at 12:57:38 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> The Matthews is a duck without a pond and I am trying to find new ponds 
> for it by swapping tires. Background: The Matthews was built expressly as a 
> bike set up as a road bike that can take 60s and fenders for our sand. Now 
> that I have the 3" WTB Rangers on the Monocog, the Matthews is out of a job.
>
> But perhaps some narrower tires would make the handling more, well, more 
> Rivendell like; perhaps worth the cost of a new pair. 
>
> So, what do you recommend for 44-46 actual that are excellent on pavement 
> but that do well in light dirt?
>
> I guess the Snoqualmie Pass would be the benchmark, and I assume they roll 
> superlatively on pavement, so tell me you experience with these on dirt. 
> I'd buy the ELs.
>
> WTB Raddler or the apparently very similar Riddler? Resolute? Venture? Has 
> anyone used any of these and say how well they roll on pavement and firmer 
> dirt?
>
> Perhaps the RH Oracle Ridge rides well enough on pavement and runs a bit 
> small? Tell me your pavement experience with these.
>
> And tell me of other options.
>
> Or doers anyone want to trade for a quality ss 29er frameset that will 
> take 3.0"s with a bit of spare room? I ride a Medium in earlier Fargos and 
> Monocogs.
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> -- 
>
> ---
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
>

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