[RBW] Re: Remember Good People, Steel is Real!

2017-03-10 Thread Richard Rios
wow just wow. lol professor actual factual saving the non helmeted children of 
yester year with time machine and encyclopedic knowledge of helmet trivia. now 
if he only coulda made it ta da 80s i wouldn't a banged my unhelmeted head so 
often   n I'd be a lick smarter... !) then maybe I'd recon what this post was 
all about in the first place... :)

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[RBW] Re: Remember Good People, Steel is Real!

2017-03-10 Thread Joe Bernard
Does anyone remember what this thread was about? ;-)

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[RBW] Re: Remember Good People, Steel is Real!

2017-03-10 Thread Wayne Naha


On Thursday, March 9, 2017 at 8:32:09 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
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> I know, Keith, I was just rolling with it. Right into a phone pole!


Hope you were wearing that helment when you hit! 

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[RBW] Re: Remember Good People, Steel is Real!

2017-03-10 Thread Ron Mc
anyone have a sense of humor they can loan to a fellow forum member?  

On Thursday, March 9, 2017 at 7:32:09 PM UTC-6, Joe Bernard wrote:
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> I know, Keith, I was just rolling with it. Right into a phone pole!

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[RBW] Re: Remember Good People, Steel is Real!

2017-03-09 Thread Joe Bernard
I know, Keith, I was just rolling with it. Right into a phone pole!

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[RBW] Re: Remember Good People, Steel is Real!

2017-03-09 Thread iamkeith
I meant that as a joke.  I was in santa monica in '74, doing similar things, 
and realize there were no helmets.  If we got hurt, we were taken to the doctor 
riding in the back of a wood-paneled station wagon, with no seat belts.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Remember Good People, Steel is Real!

2017-03-09 Thread Eric Karnes
Haha. That response made me chuckle out loud (I refuse to use 'lol').

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Re: [RBW] Re: Remember Good People, Steel is Real!

2017-03-09 Thread Steve Palincsar


On 03/09/2017 04:22 PM, Joe Bernard wrote:

I think I'm right, unless you want to take a humorous comment and turn it into 
an actual statistical analysis of how many people in Long Beach had ever seen a 
bicycle helmet in 1974. For the purposes of my story centered on kids on 
Sting-Rays in the early '70s, the comment stands.



I'm very aware of this issue because in 1974 I was the workshops chair 
for the Great Eastern Rally, held in Poughkeepsie NY at Marist College.  
One of my workshops featured a demonstration of the then brand new MSR 
bicycle helmet.  The highlight of the presentation was when the 
presenter put on the helmet, took an Indian Club and whacked himself 
over the head with it and asked the audience if anyone would care to try 
that themselves with a leather hairnet.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Remember Good People, Steel is Real!

2017-03-09 Thread Joe Bernard
I think I'm right, unless you want to take a humorous comment and turn it into 
an actual statistical analysis of how many people in Long Beach had ever seen a 
bicycle helmet in 1974. For the purposes of my story centered on kids on 
Sting-Rays in the early '70s, the comment stands.  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Remember Good People, Steel is Real!

2017-03-09 Thread Steve Palincsar

I think you're wrong: the MSR and the Bell Biker came out in 1974.


On 03/09/2017 03:39 PM, Joe Bernard wrote:

Ha! I don't think anyone in Long Beach, CA. in the early '70s had ever even 
SEEN a bicycle helmet!



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[RBW] Re: Remember Good People, Steel is Real!

2017-03-09 Thread Joe Bernard
Ha! I don't think anyone in Long Beach, CA. in the early '70s had ever even 
SEEN a bicycle helmet!

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[RBW] Re: Remember Good People, Steel is Real!

2017-03-09 Thread iamkeith
Did his helmet survive?  ;-)

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[RBW] Re: Remember Good People, Steel is Real!

2017-03-08 Thread Joe Bernard
Evel Knievel made regular appearances on ABC's Wide World of Sports in the 
'70s, jumping an ever increasing number of cars with his Harley XR750. All us 
kids jumped out bikes back then, and snapped them in half regularly. 

One evening I stumbled into an alley and some dude had actually built ramps big 
enough to get him over two cars on his Sting-Ray. He had a giant front sprocket 
and got himself up a good head of steam and sailed right over those cars. And 
the landing ramp. He bounced into a telephone pole on the edge of the alley and 
broke his arm. That was a strange night...

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[RBW] Re: Remember Good People, Steel is Real!

2017-03-08 Thread dougP
No, lots of kids were doing that, and breaking them.  Back in the early 
70s, before purpose built BMX bikes existed, a friend had a Schwinn 
dealership & sold tons of Stingrays.  There were so many frame failures due 
to jumping that Schwinn dropped their famous "lifetime frame warranty".  
You got the 50/50 warranty:  break in half & you get to keep both halves.  
It did spur the development of a BMX industry here in SoCal.

dougP

On Tuesday, March 7, 2017 at 2:18:49 PM UTC-8, Les Lammers wrote:
>
> I thought I was the only one that did that. ;-)
>
> On Tuesday, March 7, 2017 at 1:29:27 PM UTC-5, Wayne Naha wrote:
>>
>> From the comments "don't trust a frame you bake in an oven"  Still, I 
>> think my Clem would have bounced back after that, but we'll never know 
>> because shenanigans like that are not for me anymore.  Kind of reminds me 
>> of days gone by when my kid pals and I would spend endless hours building 
>> ramps to ride our no-name sting-ray style bikes over.  Good fun.
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 7, 2017 at 12:18:02 PM UTC-5, cyclot...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> You may have seen this already, but just a reminder: 
>>> https://www.pinkbike.com/video/463858/
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Remember Good People, Steel is Real!

2017-03-08 Thread Ron Mc
he was going faster than free fall and landed on the front of the bottom 
bracket shell splitting the fork out forward - no bike is designed for 
this.  Steel would bend instead of break, but it still wouldn't ride home.  

On Wednesday, March 8, 2017 at 6:23:03 AM UTC-6, ascpgh wrote:
>
> Maybe the CFRP frame engineers need to have a chat with the fork 
> engineers. 
>
> How unforeseen is that force on a dual-sus trail bike? The fork won. The 
> frame brand (and material, surprisingly) is the goat of that video the wake 
> it's leaving, judging by the comments.
>
> I saw a similar force input in a  bad landing of a steel MTB, bending the 
> fork legs forward. Neither the upper nor lower head tube seats of the '86 
> RockHopper's frame ovalized to caliper dimensions, no uneven material 
> produced when faced and reamed with the Campy head tube mill. 
>
> It was mine and I had attempted to bunny hop a creek rut in a fairly flat, 
> grassy area and instead of clearing it fully, my back wheel caught the far 
> side lip and slammed the front wheel down producing a similar force as that 
> video. Only fail I ever carried home. Lesson learned. 
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, March 7, 2017 at 12:25:21 PM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote:
>>
>> I don't think he could have ridden a steel bike home from that landing, 
>> either
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 7, 2017 at 11:18:02 AM UTC-6, cyclot...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> You may have seen this already, but just a reminder: 
>>> https://www.pinkbike.com/video/463858/
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Remember Good People, Steel is Real!

2017-03-08 Thread ascpgh
Maybe the CFRP frame engineers need to have a chat with the fork engineers. 

How unforeseen is that force on a dual-sus trail bike? The fork won. The 
frame brand (and material, surprisingly) is the goat of that video the wake 
it's leaving, judging by the comments.

I saw a similar force input in a  bad landing of a steel MTB, bending the 
fork legs forward. Neither the upper nor lower head tube seats of the '86 
RockHopper's frame ovalized to caliper dimensions, no uneven material 
produced when faced and reamed with the Campy head tube mill. 

It was mine and I had attempted to bunny hop a creek rut in a fairly flat, 
grassy area and instead of clearing it fully, my back wheel caught the far 
side lip and slammed the front wheel down producing a similar force as that 
video. Only fail I ever carried home. Lesson learned. 

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh



On Tuesday, March 7, 2017 at 12:25:21 PM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> I don't think he could have ridden a steel bike home from that landing, 
> either
>
> On Tuesday, March 7, 2017 at 11:18:02 AM UTC-6, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> You may have seen this already, but just a reminder: 
>> https://www.pinkbike.com/video/463858/
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Remember Good People, Steel is Real!

2017-03-07 Thread Les Lammers
I thought I was the only one that did that. ;-)

On Tuesday, March 7, 2017 at 1:29:27 PM UTC-5, Wayne Naha wrote:
>
> From the comments "don't trust a frame you bake in an oven"  Still, I 
> think my Clem would have bounced back after that, but we'll never know 
> because shenanigans like that are not for me anymore.  Kind of reminds me 
> of days gone by when my kid pals and I would spend endless hours building 
> ramps to ride our no-name sting-ray style bikes over.  Good fun.
>
> On Tuesday, March 7, 2017 at 12:18:02 PM UTC-5, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> You may have seen this already, but just a reminder: 
>> https://www.pinkbike.com/video/463858/
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Remember Good People, Steel is Real!

2017-03-07 Thread Wayne Naha
>From the comments "don't trust a frame you bake in an oven"  Still, I think 
my Clem would have bounced back after that, but we'll never know because 
shenanigans like that are not for me anymore.  Kind of reminds me of days 
gone by when my kid pals and I would spend endless hours building ramps to 
ride our no-name sting-ray style bikes over.  Good fun.

On Tuesday, March 7, 2017 at 12:18:02 PM UTC-5, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> You may have seen this already, but just a reminder: 
> https://www.pinkbike.com/video/463858/
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Remember Good People, Steel is Real!

2017-03-07 Thread Ron Mc
I don't think he could have ridden a steel bike home from that landing, 
either

On Tuesday, March 7, 2017 at 11:18:02 AM UTC-6, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> You may have seen this already, but just a reminder: 
> https://www.pinkbike.com/video/463858/
>
>

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