[RBW] Re: Roadini or Homer
My only quibble was that you put the Hillborne and the Hilsen in 'totally the same camp' as the Appaloosa in terms of geometry. The geometry differences between the Hilsen and Hillborne are tiny. The Hilborne and Hilsen belong totally in the same camp. The geometry differences between those country bikes and the Appaloosa are large. Those large geometry differences between Hilsen/Hillborne and the Appaloosa cannot be ignored. Putting all three totally in the same camp ignores those differences. The OP claimed his Hillborne reminded him too much of the Appaloosa. That makes no sense from the geometry, because the bikes are super different in geometry. It does make sense in stoutness. The Appaloosa is totally stout. The OPs 2TT Hillborne was similarly stout. Two overstout bikes may feel similar to thin riders. That's natural. It also makes sense if that overstout Hillborne was built heavy. A 34 pound 2TT Hillborne and a 34 pound Appaloosa may have a bunch of similarities. Those similarities won't come from geometry, because the geometry is super different. But the weight can totally feel similar. That's natural. If he goes and builds a 34 pound Hilsen, then I agree with your warning: he'll likely feel like it's too similar to his Appaloosa. Bill Lindsay El Cerrito, CA On Thursday, September 23, 2021 at 12:24:51 PM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote: > I never said that a Hilson couldn't be snappy. My point was geometry DOES > play a factor. It can't be ignored. Otherwise Rivendell or hell every bike > company might as well make two nice frames (a diamond and a step through) > and let people build them to meet their needs. Rivendell DOES have a lot of > crossover with their models but I know at one time Grant mentioned > staggering the stock of Hillbornes and Homers because they were pretty > similar. The Roadini was built to be a road bike first and the others are > country bikes and have longer wheelbases. I am not sure why the fact that > they aren't THAT much larger makes a difference. I stand by the fact that a > Homer and a Hillborne are very very similar and if someone thought the > Hillborne was too close to the Appaloosa they likely would feel the same > about the Homer. > > On Thursday, September 23, 2021 at 2:43:46 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote: > >> *great color. >> >> >> >> On Thursday, September 23, 2021 at 11:42:34 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote: >> >>> Two other criteria you haven't mentioned about Homer is it's a >>> fully-lugged frame and comes in a gear color. If I were on the fence >>> between those two I'd jump for the Homer for those reasons alone. >>> >>> One way to do this - since you'll be selling a bike either way - is get >>> the Homer first and compare. If you're buying used you'll be able to turn >>> the Homer right back out for what you paid. >>> >>> Disclosure: I've only owned a Roadini, which was great. Never ridden a >>> MIT Homer. >>> >>> Joe Bernard >>> >>> On Thursday, September 23, 2021 at 7:38:52 AM UTC-7 Bones wrote: >>> I know these comparisons have come up frequently, but here is my particular situation: I had a 62 Hillborne. It felt too similar to my Appaloosa, so I got a 61 Roadini. I've been riding that for a year and a half and I love it. It serves the purpose the Hillborne was meant to serve (the Hillborne always felt a bit too bulky for my intended purpose... which is primarily riding on roads with light loads). Sometimes I feel like I overshot with the Roadini though, and the Homer would be the best choice. I sometimes wish I could put fenders on it, without having to go with a smaller tire (currently running Barlows on Quills --> ~41mm). I sometimes wish I could add a small front rack without using P-clamps. Being a tall and slender fella, pretty much every Rivendell is overbuilt for me for any of their stated purposes. What I am getting at is would I be losing anything if I swapped the Roadini for a Homer? Clearly I would gain in functionality. I am indifferent with respect to the chainstay lengths. I just want to be sure that the bike would have the same lighter feel that I experience with the Roadini. Any insight is much appreciated! Bones >>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/a9ab17c8-06c6-4315-8fca-bda7c5749e46n%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Roadini or Homer
I never said that a Hilson couldn't be snappy. My point was geometry DOES play a factor. It can't be ignored. Otherwise Rivendell or hell every bike company might as well make two nice frames (a diamond and a step through) and let people build them to meet their needs. Rivendell DOES have a lot of crossover with their models but I know at one time Grant mentioned staggering the stock of Hillbornes and Homers because they were pretty similar. The Roadini was built to be a road bike first and the others are country bikes and have longer wheelbases. I am not sure why the fact that they aren't THAT much larger makes a difference. I stand by the fact that a Homer and a Hillborne are very very similar and if someone thought the Hillborne was too close to the Appaloosa they likely would feel the same about the Homer. On Thursday, September 23, 2021 at 2:43:46 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote: > *great color. > > > > On Thursday, September 23, 2021 at 11:42:34 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote: > >> Two other criteria you haven't mentioned about Homer is it's a >> fully-lugged frame and comes in a gear color. If I were on the fence >> between those two I'd jump for the Homer for those reasons alone. >> >> One way to do this - since you'll be selling a bike either way - is get >> the Homer first and compare. If you're buying used you'll be able to turn >> the Homer right back out for what you paid. >> >> Disclosure: I've only owned a Roadini, which was great. Never ridden a >> MIT Homer. >> >> Joe Bernard >> >> On Thursday, September 23, 2021 at 7:38:52 AM UTC-7 Bones wrote: >> >>> I know these comparisons have come up frequently, but here is my >>> particular situation: >>> >>> I had a 62 Hillborne. It felt too similar to my Appaloosa, so I got a 61 >>> Roadini. I've been riding that for a year and a half and I love it. It >>> serves the purpose the Hillborne was meant to serve (the Hillborne always >>> felt a bit too bulky for my intended purpose... which is primarily riding >>> on roads with light loads). >>> >>> Sometimes I feel like I overshot with the Roadini though, and the Homer >>> would be the best choice. I sometimes wish I could put fenders on it, >>> without having to go with a smaller tire (currently running Barlows on >>> Quills --> ~41mm). I sometimes wish I could add a small front rack without >>> using P-clamps. >>> >>> Being a tall and slender fella, pretty much every Rivendell is overbuilt >>> for me for any of their stated purposes. What I am getting at is would I be >>> losing anything if I swapped the Roadini for a Homer? Clearly I would gain >>> in functionality. I am indifferent with respect to the chainstay lengths. I >>> just want to be sure that the bike would have the same lighter feel that I >>> experience with the Roadini. >>> >>> Any insight is much appreciated! >>> >>> Bones >>> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/50684362-27c2-420b-a63b-1a511c108cc9n%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Roadini or Homer
*great color. On Thursday, September 23, 2021 at 11:42:34 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote: > Two other criteria you haven't mentioned about Homer is it's a > fully-lugged frame and comes in a gear color. If I were on the fence > between those two I'd jump for the Homer for those reasons alone. > > One way to do this - since you'll be selling a bike either way - is get > the Homer first and compare. If you're buying used you'll be able to turn > the Homer right back out for what you paid. > > Disclosure: I've only owned a Roadini, which was great. Never ridden a MIT > Homer. > > Joe Bernard > > On Thursday, September 23, 2021 at 7:38:52 AM UTC-7 Bones wrote: > >> I know these comparisons have come up frequently, but here is my >> particular situation: >> >> I had a 62 Hillborne. It felt too similar to my Appaloosa, so I got a 61 >> Roadini. I've been riding that for a year and a half and I love it. It >> serves the purpose the Hillborne was meant to serve (the Hillborne always >> felt a bit too bulky for my intended purpose... which is primarily riding >> on roads with light loads). >> >> Sometimes I feel like I overshot with the Roadini though, and the Homer >> would be the best choice. I sometimes wish I could put fenders on it, >> without having to go with a smaller tire (currently running Barlows on >> Quills --> ~41mm). I sometimes wish I could add a small front rack without >> using P-clamps. >> >> Being a tall and slender fella, pretty much every Rivendell is overbuilt >> for me for any of their stated purposes. What I am getting at is would I be >> losing anything if I swapped the Roadini for a Homer? Clearly I would gain >> in functionality. I am indifferent with respect to the chainstay lengths. I >> just want to be sure that the bike would have the same lighter feel that I >> experience with the Roadini. >> >> Any insight is much appreciated! >> >> Bones >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/f31f40d5-9abc-49e9-8885-403eabdcc87an%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Roadini or Homer
Two other criteria you haven't mentioned about Homer is it's a fully-lugged frame and comes in a gear color. If I were on the fence between those two I'd jump for the Homer for those reasons alone. One way to do this - since you'll be selling a bike either way - is get the Homer first and compare. If you're buying used you'll be able to turn the Homer right back out for what you paid. Disclosure: I've only owned a Roadini, which was great. Never ridden a MIT Homer. Joe Bernard On Thursday, September 23, 2021 at 7:38:52 AM UTC-7 Bones wrote: > I know these comparisons have come up frequently, but here is my > particular situation: > > I had a 62 Hillborne. It felt too similar to my Appaloosa, so I got a 61 > Roadini. I've been riding that for a year and a half and I love it. It > serves the purpose the Hillborne was meant to serve (the Hillborne always > felt a bit too bulky for my intended purpose... which is primarily riding > on roads with light loads). > > Sometimes I feel like I overshot with the Roadini though, and the Homer > would be the best choice. I sometimes wish I could put fenders on it, > without having to go with a smaller tire (currently running Barlows on > Quills --> ~41mm). I sometimes wish I could add a small front rack without > using P-clamps. > > Being a tall and slender fella, pretty much every Rivendell is overbuilt > for me for any of their stated purposes. What I am getting at is would I be > losing anything if I swapped the Roadini for a Homer? Clearly I would gain > in functionality. I am indifferent with respect to the chainstay lengths. I > just want to be sure that the bike would have the same lighter feel that I > experience with the Roadini. > > Any insight is much appreciated! > > Bones > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/34f4d961-705d-4753-a9f5-a81a5aa727d7n%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Roadini or Homer
Johnny shared his opinion that "the Appaloosa, Homer and Sam are all totally in the same camp", which in context is a different camp from the Roadini. Johnny is characterizing that Appa, Homer, Sam camp as LONG wheelbase bikes. Here are five bikes in my size. Pulling the numbers from the geo-charts: Riv A has 61.4cm front center and 45.5cm chainstay Riv B has 62.8cm front center and 46.5cm chainstay Riv C has 62.1cm front center and 47.5cm chainstay Riv D has 65.6cm front center and 53cm chainstay Riv E has 67.9cm front center and 53.5cm chainstay I agree there are two camps above. Riv A,B, and C are in the same camp. Riv A, B and C have a front center short enough for a drop bar, and chainstays in the same neighborhood (long but not super long). Riv D and E have huge front center, so should be run with uprights, and those bikes also have super long chainstays. Riv A, B and C are Roadini, Hillborne and Hilsen. Riv D and E are Appaloosa and Atlantis. I don't know of geometry numbers that would put Hillborne, Hilsen and Appaloosa in one bucket but would put the Roadini in a separate bucket. I maintain the opinion that a nice light stripped down build of a current Hilsen or a current Hillborne can end up as a very snappy 22-23 pound road bike. If the extra versatility of that Hillborne/Hilsen platform gets you to a 30+ pound curb weight, then it's natural to lose some of the snap. My recommendation is to build the bike you want to build and then enjoy it for what it is, and don't fret over what it is not. Bill Lindsay El Cerrito, CA On Thursday, September 23, 2021 at 9:38:43 AM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote: > I don't think its ALL about the build although that plays a major part. > There is certainly geometry differences and those LONG wheelbases play into > how lively a bike feels. IMO the Appaloosa, Homer and Sam are all totally > in the same camp and if you thought the Sam was too close to the Appa then > the Homer likely will too. > > On Thursday, September 23, 2021 at 12:31:34 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote: > >> In my opinion, if you swapped your build kit from a Roadini to a Homer, >> the only parts that would have to change would be the rear hub and the >> brake calipers. If that's the only things that changed, the resulting >> complete bike would be within a pound. In my opinion, that build would >> feel just as light and fast. >> >> If instead you used your Homer platform as an excuse to add wider knobby >> tires, plus fenders, plus front and rear racks, and bags, and used wider >> rims because of the wider tires and necessary rear hub change, and added >> dynamo lighting because you're already buying a wheelset, then that build >> would not be within a pound. It could easily be 10 pounds heavier or more, >> and that bike may not feel as light and fast as your stripped down Roadini >> did. >> >> Echoing Max it's all about the build. In my stable, I like having at >> least one super stripped down road bike. Mine is a Roadeo. I also like >> having at least one All Road bike. I have several bikes that fit in that >> All Road slot, including a Hillborne and an Ebisu. I'd hate to pare that >> down. Maybe an excuse would be to buy a Homer, and move your Roadini to a >> vacation bike role. Like if you have a relative that you visit often, park >> the Roadini there. You may find value in keeping both. Once you have >> both, you may find you can live without one. My Hillborne lives at my >> office in Michigan, and my Ebisu lives at my home in El Cerrito. >> >> Bill Lindsay >> El Cerrito, CA >> >> On Thursday, September 23, 2021 at 7:38:52 AM UTC-7 Bones wrote: >> >>> I know these comparisons have come up frequently, but here is my >>> particular situation: >>> >>> I had a 62 Hillborne. It felt too similar to my Appaloosa, so I got a 61 >>> Roadini. I've been riding that for a year and a half and I love it. It >>> serves the purpose the Hillborne was meant to serve (the Hillborne always >>> felt a bit too bulky for my intended purpose... which is primarily riding >>> on roads with light loads). >>> >>> Sometimes I feel like I overshot with the Roadini though, and the Homer >>> would be the best choice. I sometimes wish I could put fenders on it, >>> without having to go with a smaller tire (currently running Barlows on >>> Quills --> ~41mm). I sometimes wish I could add a small front rack without >>> using P-clamps. >>> >>> Being a tall and slender fella, pretty much every Rivendell is overbuilt >>> for me for any of their stated purposes. What I am getting at is would I be >>> losing anything if I swapped the Roadini for a Homer? Clearly I would gain >>> in functionality. I am indifferent with respect to the chainstay lengths. I >>> just want to be sure that the bike would have the same lighter feel that I >>> experience with the Roadini. >>> >>> Any insight is much appreciated! >>> >>> Bones >>> >> -- You received this
[RBW] Re: Roadini or Homer
Thank you. I ran into that exact trouble with my Sam, which is why it ended up like the Appaloosa. As it stands, I have plenty of parts to build a complete Homer *and* keep the Roadini as is. I would likely use a dynamo (I have an extra Son in my bin), a Mark's rack up front*, *and a BananaSax in back. *Maybe* fenders, probably not... though I'd like the option. No wider knobbies, no rear rack, no wider rims. I'd probably keep a trunksack up front, and I'd like the option for a basket if needed, which is why the rack would be necessary. I just don't want to be in a situation where I have more bikes than I will be able to use. Johnny - I would tend to agree. But I feel like a a 61.5 Homer would be closer to a 61 Roadini than a 62 2TT Hillborne, let alone Appaloosa. Bones On Thursday, September 23, 2021 at 12:31:34 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote: > In my opinion, if you swapped your build kit from a Roadini to a Homer, > the only parts that would have to change would be the rear hub and the > brake calipers. If that's the only things that changed, the resulting > complete bike would be within a pound. In my opinion, that build would > feel just as light and fast. > > If instead you used your Homer platform as an excuse to add wider knobby > tires, plus fenders, plus front and rear racks, and bags, and used wider > rims because of the wider tires and necessary rear hub change, and added > dynamo lighting because you're already buying a wheelset, then that build > would not be within a pound. It could easily be 10 pounds heavier or more, > and that bike may not feel as light and fast as your stripped down Roadini > did. > > Echoing Max it's all about the build. In my stable, I like having at > least one super stripped down road bike. Mine is a Roadeo. I also like > having at least one All Road bike. I have several bikes that fit in that > All Road slot, including a Hillborne and an Ebisu. I'd hate to pare that > down. Maybe an excuse would be to buy a Homer, and move your Roadini to a > vacation bike role. Like if you have a relative that you visit often, park > the Roadini there. You may find value in keeping both. Once you have > both, you may find you can live without one. My Hillborne lives at my > office in Michigan, and my Ebisu lives at my home in El Cerrito. > > Bill Lindsay > El Cerrito, CA > > On Thursday, September 23, 2021 at 7:38:52 AM UTC-7 Bones wrote: > >> I know these comparisons have come up frequently, but here is my >> particular situation: >> >> I had a 62 Hillborne. It felt too similar to my Appaloosa, so I got a 61 >> Roadini. I've been riding that for a year and a half and I love it. It >> serves the purpose the Hillborne was meant to serve (the Hillborne always >> felt a bit too bulky for my intended purpose... which is primarily riding >> on roads with light loads). >> >> Sometimes I feel like I overshot with the Roadini though, and the Homer >> would be the best choice. I sometimes wish I could put fenders on it, >> without having to go with a smaller tire (currently running Barlows on >> Quills --> ~41mm). I sometimes wish I could add a small front rack without >> using P-clamps. >> >> Being a tall and slender fella, pretty much every Rivendell is overbuilt >> for me for any of their stated purposes. What I am getting at is would I be >> losing anything if I swapped the Roadini for a Homer? Clearly I would gain >> in functionality. I am indifferent with respect to the chainstay lengths. I >> just want to be sure that the bike would have the same lighter feel that I >> experience with the Roadini. >> >> Any insight is much appreciated! >> >> Bones >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/43272590-e17b-46ec-909a-0292d322ab52n%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Roadini or Homer
I don't think its ALL about the build although that plays a major part. There is certainly geometry differences and those LONG wheelbases play into how lively a bike feels. IMO the Appaloosa, Homer and Sam are all totally in the same camp and if you thought the Sam was too close to the Appa then the Homer likely will too. On Thursday, September 23, 2021 at 12:31:34 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote: > In my opinion, if you swapped your build kit from a Roadini to a Homer, > the only parts that would have to change would be the rear hub and the > brake calipers. If that's the only things that changed, the resulting > complete bike would be within a pound. In my opinion, that build would > feel just as light and fast. > > If instead you used your Homer platform as an excuse to add wider knobby > tires, plus fenders, plus front and rear racks, and bags, and used wider > rims because of the wider tires and necessary rear hub change, and added > dynamo lighting because you're already buying a wheelset, then that build > would not be within a pound. It could easily be 10 pounds heavier or more, > and that bike may not feel as light and fast as your stripped down Roadini > did. > > Echoing Max it's all about the build. In my stable, I like having at > least one super stripped down road bike. Mine is a Roadeo. I also like > having at least one All Road bike. I have several bikes that fit in that > All Road slot, including a Hillborne and an Ebisu. I'd hate to pare that > down. Maybe an excuse would be to buy a Homer, and move your Roadini to a > vacation bike role. Like if you have a relative that you visit often, park > the Roadini there. You may find value in keeping both. Once you have > both, you may find you can live without one. My Hillborne lives at my > office in Michigan, and my Ebisu lives at my home in El Cerrito. > > Bill Lindsay > El Cerrito, CA > > On Thursday, September 23, 2021 at 7:38:52 AM UTC-7 Bones wrote: > >> I know these comparisons have come up frequently, but here is my >> particular situation: >> >> I had a 62 Hillborne. It felt too similar to my Appaloosa, so I got a 61 >> Roadini. I've been riding that for a year and a half and I love it. It >> serves the purpose the Hillborne was meant to serve (the Hillborne always >> felt a bit too bulky for my intended purpose... which is primarily riding >> on roads with light loads). >> >> Sometimes I feel like I overshot with the Roadini though, and the Homer >> would be the best choice. I sometimes wish I could put fenders on it, >> without having to go with a smaller tire (currently running Barlows on >> Quills --> ~41mm). I sometimes wish I could add a small front rack without >> using P-clamps. >> >> Being a tall and slender fella, pretty much every Rivendell is overbuilt >> for me for any of their stated purposes. What I am getting at is would I be >> losing anything if I swapped the Roadini for a Homer? Clearly I would gain >> in functionality. I am indifferent with respect to the chainstay lengths. I >> just want to be sure that the bike would have the same lighter feel that I >> experience with the Roadini. >> >> Any insight is much appreciated! >> >> Bones >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/49972fc8-86bc-444d-b4eb-1433c00d9830n%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Roadini or Homer
In my opinion, if you swapped your build kit from a Roadini to a Homer, the only parts that would have to change would be the rear hub and the brake calipers. If that's the only things that changed, the resulting complete bike would be within a pound. In my opinion, that build would feel just as light and fast. If instead you used your Homer platform as an excuse to add wider knobby tires, plus fenders, plus front and rear racks, and bags, and used wider rims because of the wider tires and necessary rear hub change, and added dynamo lighting because you're already buying a wheelset, then that build would not be within a pound. It could easily be 10 pounds heavier or more, and that bike may not feel as light and fast as your stripped down Roadini did. Echoing Max it's all about the build. In my stable, I like having at least one super stripped down road bike. Mine is a Roadeo. I also like having at least one All Road bike. I have several bikes that fit in that All Road slot, including a Hillborne and an Ebisu. I'd hate to pare that down. Maybe an excuse would be to buy a Homer, and move your Roadini to a vacation bike role. Like if you have a relative that you visit often, park the Roadini there. You may find value in keeping both. Once you have both, you may find you can live without one. My Hillborne lives at my office in Michigan, and my Ebisu lives at my home in El Cerrito. Bill Lindsay El Cerrito, CA On Thursday, September 23, 2021 at 7:38:52 AM UTC-7 Bones wrote: > I know these comparisons have come up frequently, but here is my > particular situation: > > I had a 62 Hillborne. It felt too similar to my Appaloosa, so I got a 61 > Roadini. I've been riding that for a year and a half and I love it. It > serves the purpose the Hillborne was meant to serve (the Hillborne always > felt a bit too bulky for my intended purpose... which is primarily riding > on roads with light loads). > > Sometimes I feel like I overshot with the Roadini though, and the Homer > would be the best choice. I sometimes wish I could put fenders on it, > without having to go with a smaller tire (currently running Barlows on > Quills --> ~41mm). I sometimes wish I could add a small front rack without > using P-clamps. > > Being a tall and slender fella, pretty much every Rivendell is overbuilt > for me for any of their stated purposes. What I am getting at is would I be > losing anything if I swapped the Roadini for a Homer? Clearly I would gain > in functionality. I am indifferent with respect to the chainstay lengths. I > just want to be sure that the bike would have the same lighter feel that I > experience with the Roadini. > > Any insight is much appreciated! > > Bones > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/d5a9bee1-7e1e-46a8-b62d-1566fa2f7d44n%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Roadini or Homer
Hi Bones, We all like to tinker with bikes and try new things... if you have some appetite for a Homer, just go for it - you won't be disappointed. If you want racks then the Homer is the way to go, but be aware that if you add racks, bags, etc... it might not feel as zippy anymore. After owning 6 different Rivs over the years including a Sam and Homer which I just sold, I've come to realize that I was always in search of an idealized version of a bike, one which I will probably never attain. When I read the thread I started wondering why did I just sell my AHH? It's exactly what I want... but then remembered that the other Rivs I have can be configured to do the exact same thing the Homer did. Basically what I'm saying is I agree with Ben, my take is that setup matters more than anything for most Rivs, tires, handlebars and drivetrain in that order. These bikes are incredibly versatile and for the most part able to successfully fill different roles depending on which version of the bike you end up building. I think swapping out these parts on a Sam, Homer or Roadini frame will yield greater results than swapping out the frame itself. This is true for most frames unless you go to an extreme like compare a custom road with a Bombadill, perhaps there you will be hard pressed to make them both feel the same. Max On Thursday, September 23, 2021 at 11:27:28 AM UTC-4 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote: > Good morning, > I don't have any personal experience with Sams or Homers, but going of > what you are describing and what Riv says, here's my take... > > You're right in thinking that Homer will be between Sam and Roadini, but I > think it's almost identical outside of color, brake type, and according to > Rivendell, Sam has slightly stouter tubing. I can't imagine that slightly > lighter tubing on a very similarly sized and designed frame is going to > yield a significantly different ride/feel. But I'd love to hear from > someone with lots of saddle time in both frames to see what they think. > > I have an Atlantis and I lust for Sam as a lighter, zippier option for > rides where I want to go for hours on roads and light gravel/dirt...so I am > totally with you on wanting to find something different enough from my > current bike, but I don't think the Roadini would be quite stout enough to > be an all-road solution. > > Ben in Omaha > > > > > > On Thursday, September 23, 2021 at 9:38:52 AM UTC-5 Bones wrote: > >> I know these comparisons have come up frequently, but here is my >> particular situation: >> >> I had a 62 Hillborne. It felt too similar to my Appaloosa, so I got a 61 >> Roadini. I've been riding that for a year and a half and I love it. It >> serves the purpose the Hillborne was meant to serve (the Hillborne always >> felt a bit too bulky for my intended purpose... which is primarily riding >> on roads with light loads). >> >> Sometimes I feel like I overshot with the Roadini though, and the Homer >> would be the best choice. I sometimes wish I could put fenders on it, >> without having to go with a smaller tire (currently running Barlows on >> Quills --> ~41mm). I sometimes wish I could add a small front rack without >> using P-clamps. >> >> Being a tall and slender fella, pretty much every Rivendell is overbuilt >> for me for any of their stated purposes. What I am getting at is would I be >> losing anything if I swapped the Roadini for a Homer? Clearly I would gain >> in functionality. I am indifferent with respect to the chainstay lengths. I >> just want to be sure that the bike would have the same lighter feel that I >> experience with the Roadini. >> >> Any insight is much appreciated! >> >> Bones >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/c078e367-7558-4806-9ba1-9c6526c0546bn%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Roadini or Homer
Thank you. I suppose I should include where this bike would fit in my lineup: For riding with kids, I have my ClemXtracycle For commuting, knocking around town I have a single speed with a basket rack. I also have a very lean single speed with higher gearing and jack browns, which essentially covers the same type of riding my Roadini does. So I guess the hole in my lineup is between the commuter and the Appaloosa. It's pretty flat around here but it can be windy. The Roadini is used exclusively for solo rides in the rare event I can escape my family. I have tried to justify keeping the Roadini *and* getting a Homer but I'm trying to be responsible (<-- did I spell that correctly?) for once. They would overlap too much and I could grab either one. Shoji - I have tried narrower tires, which are I'm sure what this bike was designed for. The roads around here are pretty chopped up and the ride is markedly nicer with the fatties on there. I have Paul centerpulls, which I need to keep the clearances, and they don't play well with front bags (I'm sure there's some kind of workaround). Bones On Thursday, September 23, 2021 at 11:27:28 AM UTC-4 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote: > Good morning, > I don't have any personal experience with Sams or Homers, but going of > what you are describing and what Riv says, here's my take... > > You're right in thinking that Homer will be between Sam and Roadini, but I > think it's almost identical outside of color, brake type, and according to > Rivendell, Sam has slightly stouter tubing. I can't imagine that slightly > lighter tubing on a very similarly sized and designed frame is going to > yield a significantly different ride/feel. But I'd love to hear from > someone with lots of saddle time in both frames to see what they think. > > I have an Atlantis and I lust for Sam as a lighter, zippier option for > rides where I want to go for hours on roads and light gravel/dirt...so I am > totally with you on wanting to find something different enough from my > current bike, but I don't think the Roadini would be quite stout enough to > be an all-road solution. > > Ben in Omaha > > > > > > On Thursday, September 23, 2021 at 9:38:52 AM UTC-5 Bones wrote: > >> I know these comparisons have come up frequently, but here is my >> particular situation: >> >> I had a 62 Hillborne. It felt too similar to my Appaloosa, so I got a 61 >> Roadini. I've been riding that for a year and a half and I love it. It >> serves the purpose the Hillborne was meant to serve (the Hillborne always >> felt a bit too bulky for my intended purpose... which is primarily riding >> on roads with light loads). >> >> Sometimes I feel like I overshot with the Roadini though, and the Homer >> would be the best choice. I sometimes wish I could put fenders on it, >> without having to go with a smaller tire (currently running Barlows on >> Quills --> ~41mm). I sometimes wish I could add a small front rack without >> using P-clamps. >> >> Being a tall and slender fella, pretty much every Rivendell is overbuilt >> for me for any of their stated purposes. What I am getting at is would I be >> losing anything if I swapped the Roadini for a Homer? Clearly I would gain >> in functionality. I am indifferent with respect to the chainstay lengths. I >> just want to be sure that the bike would have the same lighter feel that I >> experience with the Roadini. >> >> Any insight is much appreciated! >> >> Bones >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/2c7dadf5-eb00-44bb-aa8f-6b7707cc95adn%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Roadini or Homer
Good morning, I don't have any personal experience with Sams or Homers, but going of what you are describing and what Riv says, here's my take... You're right in thinking that Homer will be between Sam and Roadini, but I think it's almost identical outside of color, brake type, and according to Rivendell, Sam has slightly stouter tubing. I can't imagine that slightly lighter tubing on a very similarly sized and designed frame is going to yield a significantly different ride/feel. But I'd love to hear from someone with lots of saddle time in both frames to see what they think. I have an Atlantis and I lust for Sam as a lighter, zippier option for rides where I want to go for hours on roads and light gravel/dirt...so I am totally with you on wanting to find something different enough from my current bike, but I don't think the Roadini would be quite stout enough to be an all-road solution. Ben in Omaha On Thursday, September 23, 2021 at 9:38:52 AM UTC-5 Bones wrote: > I know these comparisons have come up frequently, but here is my > particular situation: > > I had a 62 Hillborne. It felt too similar to my Appaloosa, so I got a 61 > Roadini. I've been riding that for a year and a half and I love it. It > serves the purpose the Hillborne was meant to serve (the Hillborne always > felt a bit too bulky for my intended purpose... which is primarily riding > on roads with light loads). > > Sometimes I feel like I overshot with the Roadini though, and the Homer > would be the best choice. I sometimes wish I could put fenders on it, > without having to go with a smaller tire (currently running Barlows on > Quills --> ~41mm). I sometimes wish I could add a small front rack without > using P-clamps. > > Being a tall and slender fella, pretty much every Rivendell is overbuilt > for me for any of their stated purposes. What I am getting at is would I be > losing anything if I swapped the Roadini for a Homer? Clearly I would gain > in functionality. I am indifferent with respect to the chainstay lengths. I > just want to be sure that the bike would have the same lighter feel that I > experience with the Roadini. > > Any insight is much appreciated! > > Bones > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/d6362d6d-c17c-407b-987c-f9b5fcc6bea8n%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Roadini or Homer
Hi Bones, I have a Homer and love it. It's a great all-rounder for my purposes. (Commuting, riding w/kids, running errands, rec riding to enjoy the day.) But I have a stripped down faster bike when that's what I want. (Have you tried narrower tires? Does it impact your ride given the roads you travel? Also, have you tried rackless front bags? Perhaps these would solve some of your problems?) Good luck! shoji On Thursday, September 23, 2021 at 10:38:52 AM UTC-4 Bones wrote: > I know these comparisons have come up frequently, but here is my > particular situation: > > I had a 62 Hillborne. It felt too similar to my Appaloosa, so I got a 61 > Roadini. I've been riding that for a year and a half and I love it. It > serves the purpose the Hillborne was meant to serve (the Hillborne always > felt a bit too bulky for my intended purpose... which is primarily riding > on roads with light loads). > > Sometimes I feel like I overshot with the Roadini though, and the Homer > would be the best choice. I sometimes wish I could put fenders on it, > without having to go with a smaller tire (currently running Barlows on > Quills --> ~41mm). I sometimes wish I could add a small front rack without > using P-clamps. > > Being a tall and slender fella, pretty much every Rivendell is overbuilt > for me for any of their stated purposes. What I am getting at is would I be > losing anything if I swapped the Roadini for a Homer? Clearly I would gain > in functionality. I am indifferent with respect to the chainstay lengths. I > just want to be sure that the bike would have the same lighter feel that I > experience with the Roadini. > > Any insight is much appreciated! > > Bones > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/cdd29d51-1e73-451d-bb73-7b43788813f1n%40googlegroups.com.
