[RBW] Re: Roller-Cam brakes

2022-12-29 Thread R. Alexis 
Willet,

Nice bike. Pretty sure we have chatted before regarding Deluxe Bikes in 
Lincoln, NE. That is where I got my MB-0(Zip). Got word of that frameset 
from a shop manager I worked under. Was deciding on either a Trek something 
or another, probably 930 complete or the Zip. The discount price offered me 
on the Trek didn't pull me to get it. Decided to go for the Bridgestone. 
Shop manager, who knew the guys at Deluxe was not happy. He had thoughts or 
plans to get it and build up a dirt drop bar bike of some kind, I think. He 
already had a Breezer Lightning he had nit pick built in an experiment to 
get it as light as possible and had other nice bikes. Regarding the Odessey 
U4 brake plate, Got one from Blues Bikes in Lincoln, Nebraska back in the 
day when they were on 13th street, I think. 

Looks like the cam on the front needs to go back in the rollers. Glad you 
got your bike back.

Thanks,

Reginald Alexis
Fremont, Nebraska

On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 7:27:06 PM UTC-6 WilletM wrote:

>
> I don't get a chance to share pics of my Ritchey Annapurna all that often, 
> but this is a good illustration of the pricey WTB rollercams front and 
> rear, with the rear being chainstay mounted.  This frame was originally 
> built up with a Campy Euclid gruppo, but the original owner (who must've 
> been flush with cash, is all I can think) decided to bling it up with WTB 
> and other top-of-the-top-shelf items, which necessitated also ordering a 
> second Annapurna fork with rollercam mounts in the correct positions.
>
> Back in the early 1990's, I was in the right place at the right time and 
> traded a nice-but-nothing-too-special Bridgestone RB-1 and $600 for this 
> Annapurna and a mint Cinelli Supercorsa with Campy NR/SR.  Those were the 
> days.
>
> Willet M.
>
>
>
> [image: Dinner 015.jpg]
>
> On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 3:23:37 PM UTC-7 James wrote:
>
>> This is encouraging information!  Thanks for sharing the knowledge. 
>>  Hoping to see the bike this week
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 1:48:12 PM UTC-5 Greg J wrote:
>>
>>> James, if the picture you attached is the actual bike you're looking at, 
>>> those are the nice ones.  You should have no issues with those brakes. 
>>>  They work great, they take normal brake shoes, and there are plenty enough 
>>> of them for spare parts (although they're pretty well built).  Good luck!
>>>
>>> Greg
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 9:54:22 AM UTC-8 iamkeith wrote:
>>>
 Those can be great brakes.  You're fortunate that the posts are located 
 on the seat stays. Most often they are on the bottom of the chainstays and 
 are difficult to work on just because of lack of space.  There are two 
 slightly different versions of those sun tour brakes, with one generally 
 being considered superior.  I don't know enough to identify which yours is 
  
 but there's info out there.  There are also U-brakes that look like giant 
 frame-mount center-pull caliper brakes, which use the same mounting 
 standard, but I don't know that they're an improvement at all.  They're 
 bulky and have limited clearance.  There are also super sought-after 
 roller 
 cams made by WTB/Charlie Cunningham/DKG machine, but they'd be a couple 
 thousand dollars each  IF you could even find them.  The sun tours are a 
 licensed version of those, and are pretty neat for a runabout hobby bike.

 On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 10:39:26 AM UTC-7 James wrote:

> This isn't a Rivendell related question, and for that I apologize, but 
> ya'll are the most bike-savvy people I "know".  I see a lot of value in a 
> cheap, knock-around, lock-up-anywhere bike, so I have my eyes on a local 
> Schwinn High Sierra.  It has roller-cam brakes and I have know experience 
> with those.  What is yawls experience with roller-cam breaks and due to 
> the 
> placement of the mounts on the frame, what other brakes may be 
> compatible? 
>  The mounts seem higher on the frame than cantilever mounts.  Would 
> center 
> or side-pull brakes work?  What other options do I have?  Thank you
>
> Picture: https://imgur.com/0IqjRl1
>


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[RBW] Re: Roller-Cam brakes

2022-12-29 Thread R. Alexis 
Hey James,

 Looks like you got one of those smoke chrome Schwinns. I have one. Got it 
from a friend in trade for some bike work. Was her fathers. Don't know if 
he was the original owner or just acquired it. I haven't gotten to work on 
it with work and the many other bike projects. I do have some SunTour 
Rollercam brakes mounted on the back of my 1994 Bridgestone MB-1 retro ride 
with the use of an Odyssey U4 Brake Stiffener/Adapter plate. It allowed the 
use of Rollercam/U-Brakes on cantilever equipped bikes. I used this set up 
on my Bridgestone MB-0(Zip) when I initially built it from a frameset 
before switching to WTB cantis. I always liked Rollercams and was thrilled 
about the Odyssey plate. I had two sets of Rollercams, sold them for some 
reason, then repurchased at least one set. Mine stop well. I had to add a 
stiffener on the brake to help. Works better since I did that. I have a 
second Odessey U4 plate. No plans as of yet to use it. Too many canti brake 
options in my stash currently.

Thanks,

Reginald Alexis



On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 11:39:26 AM UTC-6 James wrote:

> This isn't a Rivendell related question, and for that I apologize, but 
> ya'll are the most bike-savvy people I "know".  I see a lot of value in a 
> cheap, knock-around, lock-up-anywhere bike, so I have my eyes on a local 
> Schwinn High Sierra.  It has roller-cam brakes and I have know experience 
> with those.  What is yawls experience with roller-cam breaks and due to the 
> placement of the mounts on the frame, what other brakes may be compatible? 
>  The mounts seem higher on the frame than cantilever mounts.  Would center 
> or side-pull brakes work?  What other options do I have?  Thank you
>
> Picture: https://imgur.com/0IqjRl1
>

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[RBW] Re: Roller-Cam brakes

2022-12-28 Thread velomann 
I've owned two Schwinn High Sierras with rollercam brakes, both were the 
two-tone brown models, 1985 (I'm pretty sure), different sizes. When I was 
restoring them I kind of nerded out on the brakes, and raided our local 
bike co-op and bought their whole box of rollercam brakes/parts for I think 
$10?  Experimented with 3 different cam profiles, replaced the 
plastic/nylon rollers with shiny brass ones, and even scored (from a list 
member I believe) the bent metal tool that fits inside the two roller bolts 
to hold the arms at the optimal spacing when tensioning the brake cable. 
They're a little fussy to set up, but have a great combo of power and 
modulation. My favorite feature is the ability to fine-tune the spring 
tension in each arm with the bolt/nut combo, similar to all Paul rim brakes 
and some earlier Diacompe and Suntour cantilever brakes.
Have Fun!

On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 9:39:26 AM UTC-8 James wrote:

> This isn't a Rivendell related question, and for that I apologize, but 
> ya'll are the most bike-savvy people I "know".  I see a lot of value in a 
> cheap, knock-around, lock-up-anywhere bike, so I have my eyes on a local 
> Schwinn High Sierra.  It has roller-cam brakes and I have know experience 
> with those.  What is yawls experience with roller-cam breaks and due to the 
> placement of the mounts on the frame, what other brakes may be compatible? 
>  The mounts seem higher on the frame than cantilever mounts.  Would center 
> or side-pull brakes work?  What other options do I have?  Thank you
>
> Picture: https://imgur.com/0IqjRl1
>

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[RBW] Re: Roller-Cam brakes

2022-12-28 Thread Bill Lindsay 
With apologies, I've got a comment on roller cam brakes relevant to the 
OP.  I worked at a Schwinn shop those days and assembled many many new 
bikes.  I think roller cam brakes are really cool and work well if the 
posts are lined up with one another.  Unlike pretty much any other post 
mount brake, roller cams are less forgiving when the posts are not parallel 
and level with one another.  If they actuate smoothly, then great.  If they 
don't actuate smoothly, and that's because the posts aren't lined up with 
one another, there may be no fixing it, short of getting new posts 
installed.  It's pretty rare that they are really bad, but I've seen lemons 
out of Schwinn in those days.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 9:39:26 AM UTC-8 James wrote:

> This isn't a Rivendell related question, and for that I apologize, but 
> ya'll are the most bike-savvy people I "know".  I see a lot of value in a 
> cheap, knock-around, lock-up-anywhere bike, so I have my eyes on a local 
> Schwinn High Sierra.  It has roller-cam brakes and I have know experience 
> with those.  What is yawls experience with roller-cam breaks and due to the 
> placement of the mounts on the frame, what other brakes may be compatible? 
>  The mounts seem higher on the frame than cantilever mounts.  Would center 
> or side-pull brakes work?  What other options do I have?  Thank you
>
> Picture: https://imgur.com/0IqjRl1
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roller-Cam brakes

2022-12-28 Thread Luke Hendrickson 
Here for the Ritchey content, Willet!! Gorgeous bike and what a story…

On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 8:35:52 PM UTC-8 WilletM wrote:

>
> With apologies to James for pursuing a tangent within his thread about 
> Suntour rollercams, I offer the following, well, follow up about the 
> Ritchey Annapurna--
> *
>
> First off, I will say with much admiration that I LOVE the stories in this 
> forum nearly as much as I do the bicycles.  Hearing and seeing concrete 
> details about bikes and builds and rides and historical info about RBW and 
> other related topics are intensely of interest to me.  Some, on topics that 
> are off the beaten path of my particular bicycle journey, I mostly ignore 
> or just glance through quickly, while others capture my attention as I 
> savor them word for word and pic by pic.  Our friend Jason F., a prolific 
> purveyor of sumptuous Bombadilian bike porn up there in the PNW, fits 
> squarely in my "to be savored" file.
>
> In light of the above, I will offer up below some additional pics of the 
> Ritchey Annapurna, and then below that, for those folks who might enjoy the 
> stories as much as I do, some additional details on how the Annapurna made 
> its way to me.
>
> [image: Dinner 013.jpg]
> [image: Dinner 010.jpg]
> [image: Dinner 011.jpg]
>
> And now, the story.
>
> Back in the early 90's, in Lincoln, Nebraska, I did business at Deluxe 
> Bicycles with Tom and Pat and Greg, all of whom could very fairly be called 
> retro-grouches.  They idolized (and promoted and sold his products) Albert 
> Eisentraut and were big fans of vintage Campy and steel road frames, etc.  
> One customer of theirs, Michael S. (whose brother, coincidentally, was sort 
> of an indie rocker during the earlier days of MTV and whose music videos 
> were in heavy rotation at times), had previously had custom ordered/built 
> by the Deluxe guys both the Annapurna and the Cinelli Supercorsa.  He let 
> the guys know that he was looking more of an every-day casual rider and 
> wanted to sell/trade the Ritchey and Cinelli to make that happen.  One of 
> the Deluxe guys fixed me up and I did end up buying/trading for the two 
> bikes.  Michael did let me know that he had some spare parts in a box at 
> home, and I eventually (and oh so fortuitously) ended up with both the 
> spare Annapurna fork and also the fillet-by-Tom stem that you see in the 
> pics.
>
> And I've owned both bikes for the 25-30 years since then.  Back in the 
> early 2000's, I sent both the Annapurna and the Cinelli to the MOMBAT (MTB) 
> museum on sort of a casual/handshake/indefinite loan, since the Annapurna 
> is quite rare and has a particularly desirable build kit on it.  Jeff 
> Archer, the proprietor of MOMBAT, was great to work with and I would check 
> in with him by email every few years just to make sure he had my current 
> contact info in case he decided to discontinue the museum enterprise.  
> Everything about that arrangement worked out great-- until Jeff was 
> tragically hit by a car and killed in 2016.  I found out about that by dumb 
> luck when I clicked on a link at mombat.org six months after the accident 
> and was just trying to look at some pics of vintage bikes.  Imagine my 
> surprise/horror when either the link didn't work or there was some other 
> glitch (I forget which), and I only found out about what happened to Jeff 
> after doing some additional research online.  Long-story-not-so-short, I 
> eventually was able to get both bikes back, but only after scrambling to 
> find ten-year old pics and emails to prove the handshake agreement that I 
> had had with Jeff.  
>
> I (admittedly) included more details above than anyone on the forum 
> probably cared to read.  I did so in the hope that the "provenance" and 
> pics of the Annapurna will continue to exist in the aether in case a bike 
> nerd in 2050 googles "Ritchey Annapurna" in the hopes of tracing a rusty 
> frame he found in his grandfather's attic.  Good luck to you, kid.  Be 
> careful with those WTB rollercams as they may be worth something someday.
>
> Willet M.
>
>
> On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 7:30:40 PM UTC-7 Scott wrote:
>
>> +1 for Ryan's request for more pics
>>
>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
>> 
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 6:29 PM, Ryan
>>  wrote:
>>
>> I know this is a Rivendell forum...but show us more pictures of this 
>> lovely bike , please
>>
>> Hope everyone is safe and warm and managing to enjoy family time in the 
>> holidays  in this challenging weather
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 8:14:41 PM UTC-6 iamkeith wrote:
>>
>> Winner winner, chicken dinner.  That's one of the nicest bikes I've ever 
>> seen.  Good trade!
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 6:27:06 PM UTC-7 WilletM wrote:
>>
>>
>> I don't get a chance

Re: [RBW] Re: Roller-Cam brakes

2022-12-27 Thread 'Scott Luly' via RBW Owners Bunch 
+1 for Ryan's request for more pics

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 6:29 PM, Ryan wrote:   I know this 
is a Rivendell forum...but show us more pictures of this lovely bike , please
Hope everyone is safe and warm and managing to enjoy family time in the 
holidays  in this challenging weather

On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 8:14:41 PM UTC-6 iamkeith wrote:

Winner winner, chicken dinner.  That's one of the nicest bikes I've ever seen.  
Good trade!

On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 6:27:06 PM UTC-7 WilletM wrote:


I don't get a chance to share pics of my Ritchey Annapurna all that often, but 
this is a good illustration of the pricey WTB rollercams front and rear, with 
the rear being chainstay mounted.  This frame was originally built up with a 
Campy Euclid gruppo, but the original owner (who must've been flush with cash, 
is all I can think) decided to bling it up with WTB and other 
top-of-the-top-shelf items, which necessitated also ordering a second Annapurna 
fork with rollercam mounts in the correct positions.
Back in the early 1990's, I was in the right place at the right time and traded 
a nice-but-nothing-too-special Bridgestone RB-1 and $600 for this Annapurna and 
a mint Cinelli Supercorsa with Campy NR/SR.  Those were the days.
Willet M.





On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 3:23:37 PM UTC-7 James wrote:

This is encouraging information!  Thanks for sharing the knowledge.  Hoping to 
see the bike this week

On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 1:48:12 PM UTC-5 Greg J wrote:

James, if the picture you attached is the actual bike you're looking at, those 
are the nice ones.  You should have no issues with those brakes.  They work 
great, they take normal brake shoes, and there are plenty enough of them for 
spare parts (although they're pretty well built).  Good luck!
Greg

On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 9:54:22 AM UTC-8 iamkeith wrote:

Those can be great brakes.  You're fortunate that the posts are located on the 
seat stays. Most often they are on the bottom of the chainstays and are 
difficult to work on just because of lack of space.  There are two slightly 
different versions of those sun tour brakes, with one generally being 
considered superior.  I don't know enough to identify which yours is  but 
there's info out there.  There are also U-brakes that look like giant 
frame-mount center-pull caliper brakes, which use the same mounting standard, 
but I don't know that they're an improvement at all.  They're bulky and have 
limited clearance.  There are also super sought-after roller cams made by 
WTB/Charlie Cunningham/DKG machine, but they'd be a couple thousand dollars 
each  IF you could even find them.  The sun tours are a licensed version of 
those, and are pretty neat for a runabout hobby bike.

On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 10:39:26 AM UTC-7 James wrote:

This isn't a Rivendell related question, and for that I apologize, but ya'll 
are the most bike-savvy people I "know".  I see a lot of value in a cheap, 
knock-around, lock-up-anywhere bike, so I have my eyes on a local Schwinn High 
Sierra.  It has roller-cam brakes and I have know experience with those.  What 
is yawls experience with roller-cam breaks and due to the placement of the 
mounts on the frame, what other brakes may be compatible?  The mounts seem 
higher on the frame than cantilever mounts.  Would center or side-pull brakes 
work?  What other options do I have?  Thank you
Picture: https://imgur.com/0IqjRl1








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[RBW] Re: Roller-Cam brakes

2022-12-27 Thread Ryan 
I know this is a Rivendell forum...but show us more pictures of this lovely 
bike , please

Hope everyone is safe and warm and managing to enjoy family time in the 
holidays  in this challenging weather

On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 8:14:41 PM UTC-6 iamkeith wrote:

> Winner winner, chicken dinner.  That's one of the nicest bikes I've ever 
> seen.  Good trade!
>
> On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 6:27:06 PM UTC-7 WilletM wrote:
>
>>
>> I don't get a chance to share pics of my Ritchey Annapurna all that 
>> often, but this is a good illustration of the pricey WTB rollercams front 
>> and rear, with the rear being chainstay mounted.  This frame was originally 
>> built up with a Campy Euclid gruppo, but the original owner (who must've 
>> been flush with cash, is all I can think) decided to bling it up with WTB 
>> and other top-of-the-top-shelf items, which necessitated also ordering a 
>> second Annapurna fork with rollercam mounts in the correct positions.
>>
>> Back in the early 1990's, I was in the right place at the right time and 
>> traded a nice-but-nothing-too-special Bridgestone RB-1 and $600 for this 
>> Annapurna and a mint Cinelli Supercorsa with Campy NR/SR.  Those were the 
>> days.
>>
>> Willet M.
>>
>>
>>
>> [image: Dinner 015.jpg]
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 3:23:37 PM UTC-7 James wrote:
>>
>>> This is encouraging information!  Thanks for sharing the knowledge. 
>>>  Hoping to see the bike this week
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 1:48:12 PM UTC-5 Greg J wrote:
>>>
 James, if the picture you attached is the actual bike you're looking 
 at, those are the nice ones.  You should have no issues with those brakes. 
  They work great, they take normal brake shoes, and there are plenty 
 enough 
 of them for spare parts (although they're pretty well built).  Good luck!

 Greg

 On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 9:54:22 AM UTC-8 iamkeith wrote:

> Those can be great brakes.  You're fortunate that the posts are 
> located on the seat stays. Most often they are on the bottom of the 
> chainstays and are difficult to work on just because of lack of space.  
> There are two slightly different versions of those sun tour brakes, with 
> one generally being considered superior.  I don't know enough to identify 
> which yours is  but there's info out there.  There are also U-brakes that 
> look like giant frame-mount center-pull caliper brakes, which use the 
> same 
> mounting standard, but I don't know that they're an improvement at all.  
> They're bulky and have limited clearance.  There are also super 
> sought-after roller cams made by WTB/Charlie Cunningham/DKG machine, but 
> they'd be a couple thousand dollars each  IF you could even find them.  
> The 
> sun tours are a licensed version of those, and are pretty neat for a 
> runabout hobby bike.
>
> On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 10:39:26 AM UTC-7 James wrote:
>
>> This isn't a Rivendell related question, and for that I apologize, 
>> but ya'll are the most bike-savvy people I "know".  I see a lot of value 
>> in 
>> a cheap, knock-around, lock-up-anywhere bike, so I have my eyes on a 
>> local 
>> Schwinn High Sierra.  It has roller-cam brakes and I have know 
>> experience 
>> with those.  What is yawls experience with roller-cam breaks and due to 
>> the 
>> placement of the mounts on the frame, what other brakes may be 
>> compatible? 
>>  The mounts seem higher on the frame than cantilever mounts.  Would 
>> center 
>> or side-pull brakes work?  What other options do I have?  Thank you
>>
>> Picture: https://imgur.com/0IqjRl1
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Roller-Cam brakes

2022-12-27 Thread iamkeith 
Winner winner, chicken dinner.  That's one of the nicest bikes I've ever 
seen.  Good trade!

On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 6:27:06 PM UTC-7 WilletM wrote:

>
> I don't get a chance to share pics of my Ritchey Annapurna all that often, 
> but this is a good illustration of the pricey WTB rollercams front and 
> rear, with the rear being chainstay mounted.  This frame was originally 
> built up with a Campy Euclid gruppo, but the original owner (who must've 
> been flush with cash, is all I can think) decided to bling it up with WTB 
> and other top-of-the-top-shelf items, which necessitated also ordering a 
> second Annapurna fork with rollercam mounts in the correct positions.
>
> Back in the early 1990's, I was in the right place at the right time and 
> traded a nice-but-nothing-too-special Bridgestone RB-1 and $600 for this 
> Annapurna and a mint Cinelli Supercorsa with Campy NR/SR.  Those were the 
> days.
>
> Willet M.
>
>
>
> [image: Dinner 015.jpg]
>
> On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 3:23:37 PM UTC-7 James wrote:
>
>> This is encouraging information!  Thanks for sharing the knowledge. 
>>  Hoping to see the bike this week
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 1:48:12 PM UTC-5 Greg J wrote:
>>
>>> James, if the picture you attached is the actual bike you're looking at, 
>>> those are the nice ones.  You should have no issues with those brakes. 
>>>  They work great, they take normal brake shoes, and there are plenty enough 
>>> of them for spare parts (although they're pretty well built).  Good luck!
>>>
>>> Greg
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 9:54:22 AM UTC-8 iamkeith wrote:
>>>
 Those can be great brakes.  You're fortunate that the posts are located 
 on the seat stays. Most often they are on the bottom of the chainstays and 
 are difficult to work on just because of lack of space.  There are two 
 slightly different versions of those sun tour brakes, with one generally 
 being considered superior.  I don't know enough to identify which yours is 
  
 but there's info out there.  There are also U-brakes that look like giant 
 frame-mount center-pull caliper brakes, which use the same mounting 
 standard, but I don't know that they're an improvement at all.  They're 
 bulky and have limited clearance.  There are also super sought-after 
 roller 
 cams made by WTB/Charlie Cunningham/DKG machine, but they'd be a couple 
 thousand dollars each  IF you could even find them.  The sun tours are a 
 licensed version of those, and are pretty neat for a runabout hobby bike.

 On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 10:39:26 AM UTC-7 James wrote:

> This isn't a Rivendell related question, and for that I apologize, but 
> ya'll are the most bike-savvy people I "know".  I see a lot of value in a 
> cheap, knock-around, lock-up-anywhere bike, so I have my eyes on a local 
> Schwinn High Sierra.  It has roller-cam brakes and I have know experience 
> with those.  What is yawls experience with roller-cam breaks and due to 
> the 
> placement of the mounts on the frame, what other brakes may be 
> compatible? 
>  The mounts seem higher on the frame than cantilever mounts.  Would 
> center 
> or side-pull brakes work?  What other options do I have?  Thank you
>
> Picture: https://imgur.com/0IqjRl1
>


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[RBW] Re: Roller-Cam brakes

2022-12-27 Thread James 
This is encouraging information!  Thanks for sharing the knowledge.  Hoping 
to see the bike this week

On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 1:48:12 PM UTC-5 Greg J wrote:

> James, if the picture you attached is the actual bike you're looking at, 
> those are the nice ones.  You should have no issues with those brakes. 
>  They work great, they take normal brake shoes, and there are plenty enough 
> of them for spare parts (although they're pretty well built).  Good luck!
>
> Greg
>
> On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 9:54:22 AM UTC-8 iamkeith wrote:
>
>> Those can be great brakes.  You're fortunate that the posts are located 
>> on the seat stays. Most often they are on the bottom of the chainstays and 
>> are difficult to work on just because of lack of space.  There are two 
>> slightly different versions of those sun tour brakes, with one generally 
>> being considered superior.  I don't know enough to identify which yours is  
>> but there's info out there.  There are also U-brakes that look like giant 
>> frame-mount center-pull caliper brakes, which use the same mounting 
>> standard, but I don't know that they're an improvement at all.  They're 
>> bulky and have limited clearance.  There are also super sought-after roller 
>> cams made by WTB/Charlie Cunningham/DKG machine, but they'd be a couple 
>> thousand dollars each  IF you could even find them.  The sun tours are a 
>> licensed version of those, and are pretty neat for a runabout hobby bike.
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 10:39:26 AM UTC-7 James wrote:
>>
>>> This isn't a Rivendell related question, and for that I apologize, but 
>>> ya'll are the most bike-savvy people I "know".  I see a lot of value in a 
>>> cheap, knock-around, lock-up-anywhere bike, so I have my eyes on a local 
>>> Schwinn High Sierra.  It has roller-cam brakes and I have know experience 
>>> with those.  What is yawls experience with roller-cam breaks and due to the 
>>> placement of the mounts on the frame, what other brakes may be compatible? 
>>>  The mounts seem higher on the frame than cantilever mounts.  Would center 
>>> or side-pull brakes work?  What other options do I have?  Thank you
>>>
>>> Picture: https://imgur.com/0IqjRl1
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Roller-Cam brakes

2022-12-27 Thread Greg J 
James, if the picture you attached is the actual bike you're looking at, 
those are the nice ones.  You should have no issues with those brakes. 
 They work great, they take normal brake shoes, and there are plenty enough 
of them for spare parts (although they're pretty well built).  Good luck!

Greg

On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 9:54:22 AM UTC-8 iamkeith wrote:

> Those can be great brakes.  You're fortunate that the posts are located on 
> the seat stays. Most often they are on the bottom of the chainstays and are 
> difficult to work on just because of lack of space.  There are two slightly 
> different versions of those sun tour brakes, with one generally being 
> considered superior.  I don't know enough to identify which yours is  but 
> there's info out there.  There are also U-brakes that look like giant 
> frame-mount center-pull caliper brakes, which use the same mounting 
> standard, but I don't know that they're an improvement at all.  They're 
> bulky and have limited clearance.  There are also super sought-after roller 
> cams made by WTB/Charlie Cunningham/DKG machine, but they'd be a couple 
> thousand dollars each  IF you could even find them.  The sun tours are a 
> licensed version of those, and are pretty neat for a runabout hobby bike.
>
> On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 10:39:26 AM UTC-7 James wrote:
>
>> This isn't a Rivendell related question, and for that I apologize, but 
>> ya'll are the most bike-savvy people I "know".  I see a lot of value in a 
>> cheap, knock-around, lock-up-anywhere bike, so I have my eyes on a local 
>> Schwinn High Sierra.  It has roller-cam brakes and I have know experience 
>> with those.  What is yawls experience with roller-cam breaks and due to the 
>> placement of the mounts on the frame, what other brakes may be compatible? 
>>  The mounts seem higher on the frame than cantilever mounts.  Would center 
>> or side-pull brakes work?  What other options do I have?  Thank you
>>
>> Picture: https://imgur.com/0IqjRl1
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Roller-Cam brakes

2022-12-27 Thread iamkeith 
Those can be great brakes.  You're fortunate that the posts are located on 
the seat stays. Most often they are on the bottom of the chainstays and are 
difficult to work on just because of lack of space.  There are two slightly 
different versions of those sun tour brakes, with one generally being 
considered superior.  I don't know enough to identify which yours is  but 
there's info out there.  There are also U-brakes that look like giant 
frame-mount center-pull caliper brakes, which use the same mounting 
standard, but I don't know that they're an improvement at all.  They're 
bulky and have limited clearance.  There are also super sought-after roller 
cams made by WTB/Charlie Cunningham/DKG machine, but they'd be a couple 
thousand dollars each  IF you could even find them.  The sun tours are a 
licensed version of those, and are pretty neat for a runabout hobby bike.

On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 10:39:26 AM UTC-7 James wrote:

> This isn't a Rivendell related question, and for that I apologize, but 
> ya'll are the most bike-savvy people I "know".  I see a lot of value in a 
> cheap, knock-around, lock-up-anywhere bike, so I have my eyes on a local 
> Schwinn High Sierra.  It has roller-cam brakes and I have know experience 
> with those.  What is yawls experience with roller-cam breaks and due to the 
> placement of the mounts on the frame, what other brakes may be compatible? 
>  The mounts seem higher on the frame than cantilever mounts.  Would center 
> or side-pull brakes work?  What other options do I have?  Thank you
>
> Picture: https://imgur.com/0IqjRl1
>

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