[RBW] Re: S24O: tent or no tent?
The problem with the hammock is that you have to have trees or some man made structures to attach it to that are in the right position. I find this more challenging in California, even in the Sierras as it limits my campsite choices. I do enjoy a nice afternoon nap in one, and have taken a lightweight net one just for that. I use a Marmot Eos 1 person tent that has a mesh top under the fly and find it very versatile and easy to work with. It weighs about 3 lbs. ~Mike~ On Jul 19, 11:44 am, John Speare johnspe...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 8:47 AM, Ray Shine r.sh...@sbcglobal.net wrote: I mostly agree with Rene. I have used a Hennessey hammock for extended backpacking trips. It is very comfortable, but if the temperature drops below 35 degrees, it is difficult to stay warm in a hammock AND keep the weight down at the same time. Hennessey hammock has an underquilt that packs away super light and small. The whole set up is pricey, but it makes the hennessey a pretty attractive option if you're willing to spend the money. But even with a light pad, I've slept in the Hennessey in freezing weather and done ok. When it stays warm all night (over 50F), nothing beats a hammock in my opinion. Btw: some people have had issues learning a quick and easy way to deploy the Hennessey hammock. I camped with Alex Wetmore about a month ago and he's got the system dialed in (big surprise there). He solves the knot and hammock centering/leveling issue with a simple hardware upgrade:http://tinyurl.com/265kyhf And he solves the packing/unpacking with a quilt issue by stuffing the whole thing in tubes of light fabric, so he can tie off to the trees while the hammock is still stuffed in an intestine-looking tube. It literally takes him under 5 minutes to get his hammock set up. I only use bivvy for cold camping. If it's more than 45F or so at night, a bivvy just melts me. But for early-season S24O or winter camping where night time temps can fall below freezing, a bivvy is a great super light solution. When it's raining, I'll bring along the fly from my Hennessey:http://tinyurl.com/2fa8bvl Another good option for hot summer with bugs is a bug tent:http://www.rei.com/product/71 It's 1.5 lbs and about $50. I don't ever haul tents around anymore. Though I probably would if I camped at campgrounds where other people were camping close by. -- John Speare Spokane, WA USAhttp://cyclingspokane.blogspot.com/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: S24O: tent or no tent?
I'll be on an S24O on Mt Diablo this weekend. I have a nice bivy sack, so could go that route. I also thought about just bringing the footprint poles and rainfly without the tent to make a shelter, but then the tent without the rainfly might be better ventilation, so since it's under 40 miles each way regardless, I'm just gonna bring the thing and decide on setup when I'm there. On Jul 19, 1:10 pm, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote: The problem with the hammock is that you have to have trees or some man made structures to attach it to that are in the right position. I find this more challenging in California, even in the Sierras as it limits my campsite choices. I do enjoy a nice afternoon nap in one, and have taken a lightweight net one just for that. I use a Marmot Eos 1 person tent that has a mesh top under the fly and find it very versatile and easy to work with. It weighs about 3 lbs. ~Mike~ On Jul 19, 11:44 am, John Speare johnspe...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 8:47 AM, Ray Shine r.sh...@sbcglobal.net wrote: I mostly agree with Rene. I have used a Hennessey hammock for extended backpacking trips. It is very comfortable, but if the temperature drops below 35 degrees, it is difficult to stay warm in a hammock AND keep the weight down at the same time. Hennessey hammock has an underquilt that packs away super light and small. The whole set up is pricey, but it makes the hennessey a pretty attractive option if you're willing to spend the money. But even with a light pad, I've slept in the Hennessey in freezing weather and done ok. When it stays warm all night (over 50F), nothing beats a hammock in my opinion. Btw: some people have had issues learning a quick and easy way to deploy the Hennessey hammock. I camped with Alex Wetmore about a month ago and he's got the system dialed in (big surprise there). He solves the knot and hammock centering/leveling issue with a simple hardware upgrade:http://tinyurl.com/265kyhf And he solves the packing/unpacking with a quilt issue by stuffing the whole thing in tubes of light fabric, so he can tie off to the trees while the hammock is still stuffed in an intestine-looking tube. It literally takes him under 5 minutes to get his hammock set up. I only use bivvy for cold camping. If it's more than 45F or so at night, a bivvy just melts me. But for early-season S24O or winter camping where night time temps can fall below freezing, a bivvy is a great super light solution. When it's raining, I'll bring along the fly from my Hennessey:http://tinyurl.com/2fa8bvl Another good option for hot summer with bugs is a bug tent:http://www.rei.com/product/71 It's 1.5 lbs and about $50. I don't ever haul tents around anymore. Though I probably would if I camped at campgrounds where other people were camping close by. -- John Speare Spokane, WA USAhttp://cyclingspokane.blogspot.com/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: S24O: tent or no tent? s24o too!
must be that time of year... I'm doing an s24o this weekend too. From Moorpark to the coast and then camping at Carpinteria State Beach. And of course a visit to the Island Brewing Co nearby. ~Mike~ On Jul 19, 1:21 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: I'll be on an S24O on Mt Diablo this weekend. I have a nice bivy sack, so could go that route. I also thought about just bringing the footprint poles and rainfly without the tent to make a shelter, but then the tent without the rainfly might be better ventilation, so since it's under 40 miles each way regardless, I'm just gonna bring the thing and decide on setup when I'm there. On Jul 19, 1:10 pm, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote: The problem with the hammock is that you have to have trees or some man made structures to attach it to that are in the right position. I find this more challenging in California, even in the Sierras as it limits my campsite choices. I do enjoy a nice afternoon nap in one, and have taken a lightweight net one just for that. I use a Marmot Eos 1 person tent that has a mesh top under the fly and find it very versatile and easy to work with. It weighs about 3 lbs. ~Mike~ On Jul 19, 11:44 am, John Speare johnspe...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 8:47 AM, Ray Shine r.sh...@sbcglobal.net wrote: I mostly agree with Rene. I have used a Hennessey hammock for extended backpacking trips. It is very comfortable, but if the temperature drops below 35 degrees, it is difficult to stay warm in a hammock AND keep the weight down at the same time. Hennessey hammock has an underquilt that packs away super light and small. The whole set up is pricey, but it makes the hennessey a pretty attractive option if you're willing to spend the money. But even with a light pad, I've slept in the Hennessey in freezing weather and done ok. When it stays warm all night (over 50F), nothing beats a hammock in my opinion. Btw: some people have had issues learning a quick and easy way to deploy the Hennessey hammock. I camped with Alex Wetmore about a month ago and he's got the system dialed in (big surprise there). He solves the knot and hammock centering/leveling issue with a simple hardware upgrade:http://tinyurl.com/265kyhf And he solves the packing/unpacking with a quilt issue by stuffing the whole thing in tubes of light fabric, so he can tie off to the trees while the hammock is still stuffed in an intestine-looking tube. It literally takes him under 5 minutes to get his hammock set up. I only use bivvy for cold camping. If it's more than 45F or so at night, a bivvy just melts me. But for early-season S24O or winter camping where night time temps can fall below freezing, a bivvy is a great super light solution. When it's raining, I'll bring along the fly from my Hennessey:http://tinyurl.com/2fa8bvl Another good option for hot summer with bugs is a bug tent:http://www.rei.com/product/71 It's 1.5 lbs and about $50. I don't ever haul tents around anymore. Though I probably would if I camped at campgrounds where other people were camping close by. -- John Speare Spokane, WA USAhttp://cyclingspokane.blogspot.com/- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: S24O: tent or no tent?
I have hung my Hennessey from a granite face on several occasions in the Sierra. This link shows one such hang, and also shows the underquilt. No tarp due to typical summer Sierra weather. Just bug screen. Here's the link: http://www.flickr.com/photos/8581...@n03/sets/72157624415970717/ From: Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 1:10:29 PM Subject: [RBW] Re: S24O: tent or no tent? The problem with the hammock is that you have to have trees or some man made structures to attach it to that are in the right position. I find this more challenging in California, even in the Sierras as it limits my campsite choices. I do enjoy a nice afternoon nap in one, and have taken a lightweight net one just for that. I use a Marmot Eos 1 person tent that has a mesh top under the fly and find it very versatile and easy to work with. It weighs about 3 lbs. ~Mike~ On Jul 19, 11:44 am, John Speare johnspe...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 8:47 AM, Ray Shine r.sh...@sbcglobal.net wrote: I mostly agree with Rene. I have used a Hennessey hammock for extended backpacking trips. It is very comfortable, but if the temperature drops below 35 degrees, it is difficult to stay warm in a hammock AND keep the weight down at the same time. Hennessey hammock has an underquilt that packs away super light and small. The whole set up is pricey, but it makes the hennessey a pretty attractive option if you're willing to spend the money. But even with a light pad, I've slept in the Hennessey in freezing weather and done ok. When it stays warm all night (over 50F), nothing beats a hammock in my opinion. Btw: some people have had issues learning a quick and easy way to deploy the Hennessey hammock. I camped with Alex Wetmore about a month ago and he's got the system dialed in (big surprise there). He solves the knot and hammock centering/leveling issue with a simple hardware upgrade:http://tinyurl.com/265kyhf And he solves the packing/unpacking with a quilt issue by stuffing the whole thing in tubes of light fabric, so he can tie off to the trees while the hammock is still stuffed in an intestine-looking tube. It literally takes him under 5 minutes to get his hammock set up. I only use bivvy for cold camping. If it's more than 45F or so at night, a bivvy just melts me. But for early-season S24O or winter camping where night time temps can fall below freezing, a bivvy is a great super light solution. When it's raining, I'll bring along the fly from my Hennessey:http://tinyurl.com/2fa8bvl Another good option for hot summer with bugs is a bug tent:http://www.rei.com/product/71 It's 1.5 lbs and about $50. I don't ever haul tents around anymore. Though I probably would if I camped at campgrounds where other people were camping close by. -- John Speare Spokane, WA USAhttp://cyclingspokane.blogspot.com/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: S24O: tent or no tent?
Go with a bivy sack. OR (Outdoor Research) has one that's 2lbs and will fit in a Carradice. Goretex with a mosquito net at the head end. On Jul 17, 7:27 am, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: So tent or no tent for an S24O? This is actually more of a +24O where I'm gonna do approx 60 miles the first day and maybe 100+ the second day, taking in SW portions of the Mt Hood National Forest. I'm tentatively planning on camping by a lake so I'm thinking there's gonna be mosquitos so I'm thinking I might want my tent... well, and it is OR, so rain is always a possibility... I like the idea of nixing the tent as I could just carry everything in my Carradice Nelson LF and a medium Wald basket up front. Just kind of curious what people think. Obviously if there's any chance of rain in the forecast I'll take the tent. Tentative plan is to do this ride over two days as opposed to one day which totally wrecked me last year. http://www.flickr.com/photos/41335...@n00/sets/72157621778650380/ Riv content: I'm gonna ride my Hilsen. --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: S24O: tent or no tent?
I'm actually at my campsite--Hoodview Campground at Timothy Lake which has a great view of Mt Hood. The weather is beautiful and I can't wait until it's dark so I can take in the stars. I brought my whole tent but have not set up the rainfly. I've made dinner and enjoyed a nice cup of Starbuck's Viva instant coffee. This was my first big ride in weeks and I'm cooked. It seems criminal to be posting from a camsite so I'll sign off and read my Jack Turner book and wait for the stars. Pictures tomorrow. --mike On Jul 19, 7:52 pm, RayO lochm...@msn.com wrote: Go with a bivy sack. OR (Outdoor Research) has one that's 2lbs and will fit in a Carradice. Goretex with a mosquito net at the head end. On Jul 17, 7:27 am, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: So tent or no tent for an S24O? This is actually more of a +24O where I'm gonna do approx 60 miles the first day and maybe 100+ the second day, taking in SW portions of the Mt Hood National Forest. I'm tentatively planning on camping by a lake so I'm thinking there's gonna be mosquitos so I'm thinking I might want my tent... well, and it is OR, so rain is always a possibility... I like the idea of nixing the tent as I could just carry everything in my Carradice Nelson LF and a medium Wald basket up front. Just kind of curious what people think. Obviously if there's any chance of rain in the forecast I'll take the tent. Tentative plan is to do this ride over two days as opposed to one day which totally wrecked me last year. http://www.flickr.com/photos/41335...@n00/sets/72157621778650380/ Riv content: I'm gonna ride my Hilsen. --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: S24O: tent or no tent?
I've decided to take my tent. I may still leave the rainfly, we'll see. I have a nice lightweight 1 person Sierra Designs tent. I've pretty much got my stuff ready to go and it all fits in two Ortlieb front rollers (with room to spare) on my rear rack. Still a bit undecided about what I'll pack up front, small trunksack vs medium Wald basket. Since I may take in some gravel roads I'll probably ditch the Wald basket for this trip. But who knows. I'm off to work and will probably go back and forth on this through the day. --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: S24O: tent or no tent?
The hammocks do look cool. I wish I had more time for S24Os so that I could experiment with different set-ups. The first one I ever went on was super minimal with just a sleeping bag, pad, tools, tube, windbreaker and change of bibs and socks. I hope to do one like that again before the end of the summer. I guess since this is the first one of the year I'll just go for comfort. As others have mentioned, tents do offer a bit of privacy at campgrounds. This should be fun and I'll get some big miles in on quiet roads. But for now, off to work... --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: S24O: tent or no tent?
If mosquitos are a significant concern, I'd suggest that you carry a tent. Most of my camping experiences (backpacking and bicycle touring) have included a tent. I've always had a small backpacking tent which was lightweight and easy to carry (currently an older Sierra Designs Flashlight model, which weighs slightly over 3 lbs.). Having mosquitos hungrily humming around your exposed body is not a nice way to experience the great outdoors! Depending on where you plan to camp, a tent also gives you a bit of privacy. Jim Cloud Tucson, AZ On Jul 17, 7:27 am, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: So tent or no tent for an S24O? This is actually more of a +24O where I'm gonna do approx 60 miles the first day and maybe 100+ the second day, taking in SW portions of the Mt Hood National Forest. I'm tentatively planning on camping by a lake so I'm thinking there's gonna be mosquitos so I'm thinking I might want my tent... well, and it is OR, so rain is always a possibility... I like the idea of nixing the tent as I could just carry everything in my Carradice Nelson LF and a medium Wald basket up front. Just kind of curious what people think. Obviously if there's any chance of rain in the forecast I'll take the tent. Tentative plan is to do this ride over two days as opposed to one day which totally wrecked me last year. http://www.flickr.com/photos/41335...@n00/sets/72157621778650380/ Riv content: I'm gonna ride my Hilsen. --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: S24O: tent or no tent?
I'm with Jim. Weather- and weight-wise there's no reason to carry a tent this time of year around here, but i'd do it just for the bugs after dark. When shopping for a family tent earlier this year, my 2 main criteria were very good ventilation for hot buggy nights, and full coverage with the rain fly (because when it does rain on me camping, it seems to come sideways). -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN On Sat, Jul 17, 2010 at 10:04 AM, Jim Cloud cloud...@aol.com wrote: If mosquitos are a significant concern, I'd suggest that you carry a tent. Most of my camping experiences (backpacking and bicycle touring) have included a tent. I've always had a small backpacking tent which was lightweight and easy to carry (currently an older Sierra Designs Flashlight model, which weighs slightly over 3 lbs.). Having mosquitos hungrily humming around your exposed body is not a nice way to experience the great outdoors! Depending on where you plan to camp, a tent also gives you a bit of privacy. Jim Cloud Tucson, AZ On Jul 17, 7:27 am, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: So tent or no tent for an S24O? This is actually more of a +24O where I'm gonna do approx 60 miles the first day and maybe 100+ the second day, taking in SW portions of the Mt Hood National Forest. I'm tentatively planning on camping by a lake so I'm thinking there's gonna be mosquitos so I'm thinking I might want my tent... well, and it is OR, so rain is always a possibility... I like the idea of nixing the tent as I could just carry everything in my Carradice Nelson LF and a medium Wald basket up front. Just kind of curious what people think. Obviously if there's any chance of rain in the forecast I'll take the tent. Tentative plan is to do this ride over two days as opposed to one day which totally wrecked me last year. http://www.flickr.com/photos/41335...@n00/sets/72157621778650380/ Riv content: I'm gonna ride my Hilsen. --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: S24O: tent or no tent?
I made myself one of these a couple of years ago. Along with the Ray- way quilt, it's how i always camp now. I prefer to sleep outside a tent, but the tarp is super-light and compact, and if rain's a possibility, I pitch it. I also made the netting insert, but have never used it. have yet to camp in conditions where the bugs are terrible in the middle of the night, and a couple bites doesn't really bother me much; worth the price to sleep under the stars, IMHO. You can also buy something similar pretty cheap, like Kent Peterson describes here: http://kentsbike.blogspot.com/2009/05/closer-to-fine.html Keep it simple and light. On Jul 17, 7:27 am, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: So tent or no tent for an S24O? This is actually more of a +24O where I'm gonna do approx 60 miles the first day and maybe 100+ the second day, taking in SW portions of the Mt Hood National Forest. I'm tentatively planning on camping by a lake so I'm thinking there's gonna be mosquitos so I'm thinking I might want my tent... well, and it is OR, so rain is always a possibility... I like the idea of nixing the tent as I could just carry everything in my Carradice Nelson LF and a medium Wald basket up front. Just kind of curious what people think. Obviously if there's any chance of rain in the forecast I'll take the tent. Tentative plan is to do this ride over two days as opposed to one day which totally wrecked me last year. http://www.flickr.com/photos/41335...@n00/sets/72157621778650380/ Riv content: I'm gonna ride my Hilsen. --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: S24O: tent or no tent?
Whoops - forgot the link to the Ray-Way tarp tent: http://www.rayjardine.com/ray-way/Tarp-Kit/index.htm On Jul 17, 4:03 pm, velomann velom...@gmail.com wrote: I made myself one of these a couple of years ago. Along with the Ray- way quilt, it's how i always camp now. I prefer to sleep outside a tent, but the tarp is super-light and compact, and if rain's a possibility, I pitch it. I also made the netting insert, but have never used it. have yet to camp in conditions where the bugs are terrible in the middle of the night, and a couple bites doesn't really bother me much; worth the price to sleep under the stars, IMHO. You can also buy something similar pretty cheap, like Kent Peterson describes here:http://kentsbike.blogspot.com/2009/05/closer-to-fine.html Keep it simple and light. On Jul 17, 7:27 am, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: So tent or no tent for an S24O? This is actually more of a +24O where I'm gonna do approx 60 miles the first day and maybe 100+ the second day, taking in SW portions of the Mt Hood National Forest. I'm tentatively planning on camping by a lake so I'm thinking there's gonna be mosquitos so I'm thinking I might want my tent... well, and it is OR, so rain is always a possibility... I like the idea of nixing the tent as I could just carry everything in my Carradice Nelson LF and a medium Wald basket up front. Just kind of curious what people think. Obviously if there's any chance of rain in the forecast I'll take the tent. Tentative plan is to do this ride over two days as opposed to one day which totally wrecked me last year. http://www.flickr.com/photos/41335...@n00/sets/72157621778650380/ Riv content: I'm gonna ride my Hilsen. --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: S24O: tent or no tent?
Am a tent person. But always have a tendency to overpack. Even for S24O. Plus, I like the privacy a tent provides. Especially at a campground. Another idea could be a bivy sack. Small enough to fit in a saddlebag, but gives some protection from the elements and bugs. Have discovered through festivals that while mosquitos quiet down a bit after dark, they never seem to disappear. Sometimes makes jamming, um, interesting. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Jul 17, 6:06 pm, velomann velom...@gmail.com wrote: Whoops - forgot the link to the Ray-Way tarp tent:http://www.rayjardine.com/ray-way/Tarp-Kit/index.htm On Jul 17, 4:03 pm, velomann velom...@gmail.com wrote: I made myself one of these a couple of years ago. Along with the Ray- way quilt, it's how i always camp now. I prefer to sleep outside a tent, but the tarp is super-light and compact, and if rain's a possibility, I pitch it. I also made the netting insert, but have never used it. have yet to camp in conditions where the bugs are terrible in the middle of the night, and a couple bites doesn't really bother me much; worth the price to sleep under the stars, IMHO. You can also buy something similar pretty cheap, like Kent Peterson describes here:http://kentsbike.blogspot.com/2009/05/closer-to-fine.html Keep it simple and light. On Jul 17, 7:27 am, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: So tent or no tent for an S24O? This is actually more of a +24O where I'm gonna do approx 60 miles the first day and maybe 100+ the second day, taking in SW portions of the Mt Hood National Forest. I'm tentatively planning on camping by a lake so I'm thinking there's gonna be mosquitos so I'm thinking I might want my tent... well, and it is OR, so rain is always a possibility... I like the idea of nixing the tent as I could just carry everything in my Carradice Nelson LF and a medium Wald basket up front. Just kind of curious what people think. Obviously if there's any chance of rain in the forecast I'll take the tent. Tentative plan is to do this ride over two days as opposed to one day which totally wrecked me last year. http://www.flickr.com/photos/41335...@n00/sets/72157621778650380/ Riv content: I'm gonna ride my Hilsen. --mike- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
