Re: [RBW] Re: Sam Standover Hieghts for 51 & 55

[Joel]

I like the3 older better at least my eyes do.

On Monday, September 28, 2020 at 12:13:07 PM UTC-4 RichS wrote:

> Joel,
>
> Attached photos show the seat stay cap (Seat Stay 1) used on pre-2020 Sams 
> and the current socket style as used on Clems, Homers, Roadinis and now 
> Sams.
> Glad you found a Sam in your size. Hope you like it as much as many of us 
> on the list like the ones we ride.
>
> Best,
> Rich in ATL
>
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> On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 11:33 AM Joel  wrote:
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>> Rich, I found a leftover 2019 Sam in 51cm, being built up as we speak.  I 
>> knew this one would fit me well as all of the specs were available and the 
>> help you gave me with measurements.  I also did not want to wait till 
>> October as I want to ride this bike this year as much as I can before the 
>> weather turns.  It should be ready for me tomorrow, had to iron a freewheel 
>> kink out.  
>>
>> I am not sure what socket seat stays are.  I was told the 51cm had no 
>> changes in chain stay length but we will find out very soon.  
>> Joel
>> On Monday, September 28, 2020 at 11:19:34 AM UTC-4 RichS wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Joel:
>>>
>>> Changes also include:
>>> 1. Socketed seat stays
>>> 2. I'm pretty sure another centimeter has been added to the chain stays
>>>
>>> Interesting that the new small Sams have the 48cm seat tube that was 
>>> used on the first edition of Sams.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Rich in ATL
>>>
>>> On Sunday, September 27, 2020 at 1:40:45 PM UTC-4 Joel wrote:
>>>
 Funny, I was told the 51cm had no changes.  We will soon find out.  

 On Sun, Sep 27, 2020 at 11:31 AM Ash  wrote:

> Riv staff.
>
> On Saturday, 26 September 2020 at 21:02:10 UTC-7 Joel wrote:
>
>> Where did you see those figures?  Thanks 
>>
>> On Saturday, September 26, 2020 at 10:28:15 PM UTC-4 Jason Fuller 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Oh interesting!  The 51 Sam actually shortened by 15mm then, that 
>>> surprises me.  
>>>
>>> On Sat, Sep 26, 2020 at 3:53 PM Ash  wrote:
>>>
 If anybody runs into this discussion thread and would be interested 
 in top tube lengths on the new Sams,  size 48cm frame has 53cm TT and 
 size 
 51cm frame has 55cm top tube. These are official numbers.

 On Friday, 25 September 2020 at 11:35:13 UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:

> I forgot to add, I swap between 42mm and 48mm tires on my Sam and 
> I don't notice the difference in standover - I think that is 
> splitting 
> hairs over what's arguably the least important of the fit numbers. I 
> would 
> be surprised if the newest batch of Sams doesn't grow a few mm in the 
> top 
> tube lengths; the previous batches are quite squarely between drop 
> bar and 
> upright bar fit, which I love because I can now run drops with a 5-6 
> cm 
> stem or albatross with a 11-12cm stem.  I get the sense though that 
> the Sam 
> is not being considered a drop bar bike as much anymore by Riv, 
> though I'm 
> just postulating. 
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Sam Standover Hieghts for 51 & 55

[Joel]

Rich, I found a leftover 2019 Sam in 51cm, being built up as we speak.  I 
knew this one would fit me well as all of the specs were available and the 
help you gave me with measurements.  I also did not want to wait till 
October as I want to ride this bike this year as much as I can before the 
weather turns.  It should be ready for me tomorrow, had to iron a freewheel 
kink out.  

I am not sure what socket seat stays are.  I was told the 51cm had no 
changes in chain stay length but we will find out very soon.  
Joel
On Monday, September 28, 2020 at 11:19:34 AM UTC-4 RichS wrote:

> Hi Joel:
>
> Changes also include:
> 1. Socketed seat stays
> 2. I'm pretty sure another centimeter has been added to the chain stays
>
> Interesting that the new small Sams have the 48cm seat tube that was used 
> on the first edition of Sams.
>
> Best,
> Rich in ATL
>
> On Sunday, September 27, 2020 at 1:40:45 PM UTC-4 Joel wrote:
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>> Funny, I was told the 51cm had no changes.  We will soon find out.  
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 27, 2020 at 11:31 AM Ash  wrote:
>>
>>> Riv staff.
>>>
>>> On Saturday, 26 September 2020 at 21:02:10 UTC-7 Joel wrote:
>>>
 Where did you see those figures?  Thanks 

 On Saturday, September 26, 2020 at 10:28:15 PM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Oh interesting!  The 51 Sam actually shortened by 15mm then, that 
> surprises me.  
>
> On Sat, Sep 26, 2020 at 3:53 PM Ash  wrote:
>
>> If anybody runs into this discussion thread and would be interested 
>> in top tube lengths on the new Sams,  size 48cm frame has 53cm TT and 
>> size 
>> 51cm frame has 55cm top tube. These are official numbers.
>>
>> On Friday, 25 September 2020 at 11:35:13 UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> I forgot to add, I swap between 42mm and 48mm tires on my Sam and I 
>>> don't notice the difference in standover - I think that is splitting 
>>> hairs 
>>> over what's arguably the least important of the fit numbers. I would be 
>>> surprised if the newest batch of Sams doesn't grow a few mm in the top 
>>> tube 
>>> lengths; the previous batches are quite squarely between drop bar and 
>>> upright bar fit, which I love because I can now run drops with a 5-6 cm 
>>> stem or albatross with a 11-12cm stem.  I get the sense though that the 
>>> Sam 
>>> is not being considered a drop bar bike as much anymore by Riv, though 
>>> I'm 
>>> just postulating. 
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Sam Standover Hieghts for 51 & 55

[RichS]

Hi Joel:

Changes also include:
1. Socketed seat stays
2. I'm pretty sure another centimeter has been added to the chain stays

Interesting that the new small Sams have the 48cm seat tube that was used 
on the first edition of Sams.

Best,
Rich in ATL

On Sunday, September 27, 2020 at 1:40:45 PM UTC-4 Joel wrote:

> Funny, I was told the 51cm had no changes.  We will soon find out.  
>
> On Sun, Sep 27, 2020 at 11:31 AM Ash  wrote:
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>> Riv staff.
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>> On Saturday, 26 September 2020 at 21:02:10 UTC-7 Joel wrote:
>>
>>> Where did you see those figures?  Thanks 
>>>
>>> On Saturday, September 26, 2020 at 10:28:15 PM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>>
 Oh interesting!  The 51 Sam actually shortened by 15mm then, that 
 surprises me.  

 On Sat, Sep 26, 2020 at 3:53 PM Ash  wrote:

> If anybody runs into this discussion thread and would be interested in 
> top tube lengths on the new Sams,  size 48cm frame has 53cm TT and size 
> 51cm frame has 55cm top tube. These are official numbers.
>
> On Friday, 25 September 2020 at 11:35:13 UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> I forgot to add, I swap between 42mm and 48mm tires on my Sam and I 
>> don't notice the difference in standover - I think that is splitting 
>> hairs 
>> over what's arguably the least important of the fit numbers. I would be 
>> surprised if the newest batch of Sams doesn't grow a few mm in the top 
>> tube 
>> lengths; the previous batches are quite squarely between drop bar and 
>> upright bar fit, which I love because I can now run drops with a 5-6 cm 
>> stem or albatross with a 11-12cm stem.  I get the sense though that the 
>> Sam 
>> is not being considered a drop bar bike as much anymore by Riv, though 
>> I'm 
>> just postulating. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Sam Standover Hieghts for 51 & 55

[Joel Stern]

Funny, I was told the 51cm had no changes.  We will soon find out.

On Sun, Sep 27, 2020 at 11:31 AM Ash  wrote:

> Riv staff.
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> On Saturday, 26 September 2020 at 21:02:10 UTC-7 Joel wrote:
>
>> Where did you see those figures?  Thanks
>>
>> On Saturday, September 26, 2020 at 10:28:15 PM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> Oh interesting!  The 51 Sam actually shortened by 15mm then, that
>>> surprises me.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Sep 26, 2020 at 3:53 PM Ash  wrote:
>>>
 If anybody runs into this discussion thread and would be interested in
 top tube lengths on the new Sams,  size 48cm frame has 53cm TT and size
 51cm frame has 55cm top tube. These are official numbers.

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> I forgot to add, I swap between 42mm and 48mm tires on my Sam and I
> don't notice the difference in standover - I think that is splitting hairs
> over what's arguably the least important of the fit numbers. I would be
> surprised if the newest batch of Sams doesn't grow a few mm in the top 
> tube
> lengths; the previous batches are quite squarely between drop bar and
> upright bar fit, which I love because I can now run drops with a 5-6 cm
> stem or albatross with a 11-12cm stem.  I get the sense though that the 
> Sam
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Re: [RBW] Re: Sam Standover Hieghts for 51 & 55

[Ash]

Riv staff.

On Saturday, 26 September 2020 at 21:02:10 UTC-7 Joel wrote:

> Where did you see those figures?  Thanks 
>
> On Saturday, September 26, 2020 at 10:28:15 PM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> Oh interesting!  The 51 Sam actually shortened by 15mm then, that 
>> surprises me.  
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 26, 2020 at 3:53 PM Ash  wrote:
>>
>>> If anybody runs into this discussion thread and would be interested in 
>>> top tube lengths on the new Sams,  size 48cm frame has 53cm TT and size 
>>> 51cm frame has 55cm top tube. These are official numbers.
>>>
>>> On Friday, 25 September 2020 at 11:35:13 UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>>
 I forgot to add, I swap between 42mm and 48mm tires on my Sam and I 
 don't notice the difference in standover - I think that is splitting hairs 
 over what's arguably the least important of the fit numbers. I would be 
 surprised if the newest batch of Sams doesn't grow a few mm in the top 
 tube 
 lengths; the previous batches are quite squarely between drop bar and 
 upright bar fit, which I love because I can now run drops with a 5-6 cm 
 stem or albatross with a 11-12cm stem.  I get the sense though that the 
 Sam 
 is not being considered a drop bar bike as much anymore by Riv, though I'm 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Sam Standover Hieghts for 51 & 55

[Joel]

Where did you see those figures?  Thanks 

On Saturday, September 26, 2020 at 10:28:15 PM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Oh interesting!  The 51 Sam actually shortened by 15mm then, that 
> surprises me.  
>
> On Sat, Sep 26, 2020 at 3:53 PM Ash  wrote:
>
>> If anybody runs into this discussion thread and would be interested in 
>> top tube lengths on the new Sams,  size 48cm frame has 53cm TT and size 
>> 51cm frame has 55cm top tube. These are official numbers.
>>
>> On Friday, 25 September 2020 at 11:35:13 UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> I forgot to add, I swap between 42mm and 48mm tires on my Sam and I 
>>> don't notice the difference in standover - I think that is splitting hairs 
>>> over what's arguably the least important of the fit numbers. I would be 
>>> surprised if the newest batch of Sams doesn't grow a few mm in the top tube 
>>> lengths; the previous batches are quite squarely between drop bar and 
>>> upright bar fit, which I love because I can now run drops with a 5-6 cm 
>>> stem or albatross with a 11-12cm stem.  I get the sense though that the Sam 
>>> is not being considered a drop bar bike as much anymore by Riv, though I'm 
>>> just postulating. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Sam Standover Hieghts for 51 & 55

[Jason Fuller]

Oh interesting!  The 51 Sam actually shortened by 15mm then, that surprises
me.

On Sat, Sep 26, 2020 at 3:53 PM Ash  wrote:

> If anybody runs into this discussion thread and would be interested in top
> tube lengths on the new Sams,  size 48cm frame has 53cm TT and size 51cm
> frame has 55cm top tube. These are official numbers.
>
> On Friday, 25 September 2020 at 11:35:13 UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> I forgot to add, I swap between 42mm and 48mm tires on my Sam and I don't
>> notice the difference in standover - I think that is splitting hairs over
>> what's arguably the least important of the fit numbers. I would be
>> surprised if the newest batch of Sams doesn't grow a few mm in the top tube
>> lengths; the previous batches are quite squarely between drop bar and
>> upright bar fit, which I love because I can now run drops with a 5-6 cm
>> stem or albatross with a 11-12cm stem.  I get the sense though that the Sam
>> is not being considered a drop bar bike as much anymore by Riv, though I'm
>> just postulating.
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[RBW] Re: Sam Standover Hieghts for 51 & 55

[Ash]

If anybody runs into this discussion thread and would be interested in top 
tube lengths on the new Sams,  size 48cm frame has 53cm TT and size 51cm 
frame has 55cm top tube. These are official numbers.

On Friday, 25 September 2020 at 11:35:13 UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:

> I forgot to add, I swap between 42mm and 48mm tires on my Sam and I don't 
> notice the difference in standover - I think that is splitting hairs over 
> what's arguably the least important of the fit numbers. I would be 
> surprised if the newest batch of Sams doesn't grow a few mm in the top tube 
> lengths; the previous batches are quite squarely between drop bar and 
> upright bar fit, which I love because I can now run drops with a 5-6 cm 
> stem or albatross with a 11-12cm stem.  I get the sense though that the Sam 
> is not being considered a drop bar bike as much anymore by Riv, though I'm 
> just postulating. 
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[RBW] Re: Sam Standover Hieghts for 51 & 55

[Jason Fuller]

I forgot to add, I swap between 42mm and 48mm tires on my Sam and I don't 
notice the difference in standover - I think that is splitting hairs over 
what's arguably the least important of the fit numbers. I would be 
surprised if the newest batch of Sams doesn't grow a few mm in the top tube 
lengths; the previous batches are quite squarely between drop bar and 
upright bar fit, which I love because I can now run drops with a 5-6 cm 
stem or albatross with a 11-12cm stem.  I get the sense though that the Sam 
is not being considered a drop bar bike as much anymore by Riv, though I'm 
just postulating. 




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[RBW] Re: Sam Standover Hieghts for 51 & 55

[aeroperf]

velomann -
Right.  And did I level the bike when I measured it, or just do it in the 
garage?  With a friend holding it, or leaning on its kickstand?
So many decimal points, so little actual information.  One of the reasons I 
said it should be a fun thread.

The other is that Sams seem to have various published numbers depending on 
the batch, or worse, the same number when they should be different.  The 
latest Riv geometry charts don’t list SOH for the Sams at all.

But it’s a good question.  If you’re going to drop $1500 - $3000 on a 
bicycle bought via a phone call, how do you go for the best fit?  
You can fudge the “effective” stack by moving the stem up or down, and the 
“effective” reach by getting a longer stem or different bars, but the SOH 
is pretty well fixed.  Even tires are a secondary effect.

Jason has the most helpful response.  His 51 Sam has a good SOH for an 80.5 
PBH (30” inseam).

For me, my 55 Sam SOH is just a little tall for an 83 PBH (31” inseam).  
But it is a lot more comfortable overall than a 51 Sam.
In my case I’m right on the SOH size cusp, and the Riv folks did a good job 
choosing the bigger bike for me.

Anybody know where we can find the information for the new Sams?

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[RBW] Re: Sam Standover Hieghts for 51 & 55

[Jason Fuller]

I have an 80.5 pbh roughly (30" inseam pants fit me well) and I can stand 
over my 51 Sam with comfortable clearance, but no more than necessary. 




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[RBW] Re: Sam Standover Hieghts for 51 & 55

[aeroperf]

This should be a fun thread.

My 2015 Sam 55 Cm has a measured SOH of 830mm with 700x42 Conti SpeedRide 
tires, unloaded.
That is not the max tire.  It came from Riv with Conti TourRide 700x48 
tires, and if I had not wanted fenders, I could have probably fit something 
even bigger.

It has a Rivendell listed SOH of 833mm.  Tire not listed, but max tire size 
listed at 700x44.
It has a Bikeinsights.com computed SOH of 833mm with 700x46 tires listed.

I also have a Riv geometry chart that includes a 56 cm Sam with SOH listed 
at 834mm for a max tire of 700x45.

Since I rotate my tires annually, and then reset my odometer over a 
measured course, I can tell you that two supposedly identical tires of the 
same brand/model can have a difference in height of 5.2mm (At least.  
That’s just what I have had to reset the odometer for).  Figure that half 
of that could make its way into SOH.
And that is at a constant tire pressure of 70 psi.  When I went to 50 psi 
for ride quality, I had to reset the odometer again, though not by nearly 
as much.

So for my Sam, actual standover height is not just a function of frame 
geometry but also tire size, tire brand, tire pressure and random 
manufacturing tolerances.  I just use 830 mm.

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