[RBW] Re: Sams versatility
A sam would be perfect for this kind of riding. If you were riding more trails and possibly singletrack dirt-type stuff I would opt for a Hunq, or if you were thinking of doing some extended touring I would opt for the Atlantis or Hunq, but for the stuff you are talking about the Sam is itor the Hilsen. I have a Sam and my friend has a Hilsen and I find them both really nice looking but the Hilsen has a little fancier lugs. Not sure on ride differences because his bike is too big for me. I got a Roadeo last year to take over fast road riding that I had my Sam doing, then I turned the Sam into my commuter/trail bike. I haven't ridden it all that much since I've been riding that Roadeo so much, but now I'm thinking of turning the Sam into a kind of mountain bike. It's just a really versatile frame. Can't really go wrong with it. One thing the Hilsen has that the Sam doesn't is downtube shifter bosses...if you are interested in downtube shifting, then the Hilsen might be a better choice. On Sunday, January 25, 2015 at 8:25:13 AM UTC-6, michael sellers wrote: Some thoughts from the group please? I have my wifes Riv ordered and hope to place the order for mine soon. I am 6' 235 pds 35' PBH,and will use my bike for quick 4 mile trips to town, 35 mile rides to family visits in the next county,and (hopefully) at some point a trip across the State of Tn. Very limited off road use but maybe occasional rides on State Park fire trails. Is this asking too much long term of a Sam? Would an Atlantis or Hunq be better suited to my plans? Thanks,Mike S. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Sams versatility
Sam can do it all, and would be the least expensive choice. A Hilsen would be fancier, but functionally the same as the Sam. The Atlantis and the Hunq would also be great, too, especially if you were always going to do lots of loaded mileage or tons of non-technical singletrack. I have a Bomba, and it's my 'do anything' bike; but before I got it, I would even ride the Virginia Creeper Trail on my Rambouillet. Now, my Ram has been relegated to more randoish rides, and I've got a canti-Rom (very similar frame to the Ram, but one of the ones with cantilevers instead); since I've gotten the canti-Rom, I've ended up using it for most of my trailish rides, since I've gone to the 40 MSOs on it. Any Riv can handle any of that riding, but, the Sam is an excellent starting point for consideration... On Sunday, January 25, 2015 at 9:25:13 AM UTC-5, michael sellers wrote: Some thoughts from the group please? I have my wifes Riv ordered and hope to place the order for mine soon. I am 6' 235 pds 35' PBH,and will use my bike for quick 4 mile trips to town, 35 mile rides to family visits in the next county,and (hopefully) at some point a trip across the State of Tn. Very limited off road use but maybe occasional rides on State Park fire trails. Is this asking too much long term of a Sam? Would an Atlantis or Hunq be better suited to my plans? Thanks,Mike S. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Sams versatility
PS: which part of TN are you in? -L On Wednesday, January 28, 2015 at 8:30:07 AM UTC-5, Leslie wrote: Sam can do it all, and would be the least expensive choice. A Hilsen would be fancier, but functionally the same as the Sam. The Atlantis and the Hunq would also be great, too, especially if you were always going to do lots of loaded mileage or tons of non-technical singletrack. I have a Bomba, and it's my 'do anything' bike; but before I got it, I would even ride the Virginia Creeper Trail on my Rambouillet. Now, my Ram has been relegated to more randoish rides, and I've got a canti-Rom (very similar frame to the Ram, but one of the ones with cantilevers instead); since I've gotten the canti-Rom, I've ended up using it for most of my trailish rides, since I've gone to the 40 MSOs on it. Any Riv can handle any of that riding, but, the Sam is an excellent starting point for consideration... On Sunday, January 25, 2015 at 9:25:13 AM UTC-5, michael sellers wrote: Some thoughts from the group please? I have my wifes Riv ordered and hope to place the order for mine soon. I am 6' 235 pds 35' PBH,and will use my bike for quick 4 mile trips to town, 35 mile rides to family visits in the next county,and (hopefully) at some point a trip across the State of Tn. Very limited off road use but maybe occasional rides on State Park fire trails. Is this asking too much long term of a Sam? Would an Atlantis or Hunq be better suited to my plans? Thanks,Mike S. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Sams versatility
I love my Sam. He is a competent horse that, well balanced, can carry stuff. Takes some talking with Jared to get it right, but it can be right. I have a fast as my carbon fiber road bike Boulder All Road Randonneur that I love riding, but Sam is my goto bike https://www.flickr.com/photos/20853610@N05/sets/72157644521377844/ for everyday. Boulder goes the distance with a light front load. Despite the steel frame and the encumbrances I have put on Sam, it feels like there is nothing beneath me. Sam is a *roller* (TM) and has brought much joy to bike riding. Mild to moderate trail and road riding are no problem. Best regards, Tom On Sunday, January 25, 2015 at 6:25:13 AM UTC-8, michael sellers wrote: Some thoughts from the group please? I have my wifes Riv ordered and hope to place the order for mine soon. I am 6' 235 pds 35' PBH,and will use my bike for quick 4 mile trips to town, 35 mile rides to family visits in the next county,and (hopefully) at some point a trip across the State of Tn. Very limited off road use but maybe occasional rides on State Park fire trails. Is this asking too much long term of a Sam? Would an Atlantis or Hunq be better suited to my plans? Thanks,Mike S. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Sams versatility
Michael, I would also chime in in favor of the Hillborne. I owned a Bianchi road bike and a SOMA hardtail mtb when I was recently lucky enough to pick up a used, orange 56 Sam. I had been test riding the bikes at Rivendell looking for a commuter/all-arounder. All rode great but I was choosing between the Hunq, Homer and Hillborne. My goal was to reduce down to one bike for all my mixed terrain riding (maybe with two sets of wheels/tires). The Homer is an amazing bike that I could see ditching the Bianchi for but not the SOMA. I imagined light club rides, S240s and hard pack riding without a problem. The Hunqapillar was also great but seemed sturdier than I needed (although it would definitely handle anything I could throw at it). That got me thinking, maybe ditch the SOMA and keep the Bianchi. Talking with Grant he had described the Hillborne as a nice middle ground between the Homer and the Hunq. I would agree. The Hillbornes I test rode had lighter wheels than the one I found which felt great. Fast, smooth and stable. I’m a big fan of the sloping tt which provides nice standover, a longer headtube and higher bars (my Bianchi also had one). It really has felt like the right blend of stability and liveliness without any compromise. I feel that I could do a reasonable tour on it without a problem. An overall built price that was going to be 25% less also made the Hillborne more appealing but wasn’t a deal breaker for such a long-term, high-use purchase. As a disclaimer, I’ve only owned my Hillborne for a short while and I’m 5’10” and 170# with an 85cm pbh (not 235 with a 35’ pbh!). However, I commute almost everywhere on a mix of roads and trails in both urban and suburban environments. I’m currently doing that with a saddlesack small, a randonneur bag that came with the bike and a large and fairly heavy Ortlieb Office Bag with nothing to balance it out on the other side. I have to schlep a computer (sometimes 2), books and occasionally art supplies. Even with the lopsided load, the ride has been stable and smooth. When the front and side bags come off, it has been a real lively ride. I’ve since sold off the Bianchi and hope to eventually purchase some lighter, 32h wheels (with Supremes?) for road riding. I haven’t sold off the SOMA just yet but it has only been wall decor since I acquired the Sam. Trails have not been a problem on the 36h wheels and 40c Schwalbe Mondials that came with it (feel similar to the old Marathon XRs). If I get a second set of wheels, I may sell the SOMA. I’m feeling that with 45c knobbies (no fenders) on the 36h wheels and 32-35c Supremes on 32h wheels, the Hillborne could span as broad a range of riding as I can manage to keep up with. All that said, in a perfect world where teachers made as much as my friends in the private sector make, my dream would be a Homer or Rodeo for roads and a Hunq or Atlantis for the rough stuff. I agree with what Roger said. Talk to Riv and give them a very clear idea as to what your current and future riding intentions are. Everyone I've dealt with there have been incredibly knowledgeable and unbelievably patient. They genuinely seem to strive to make sure everyone ends up on the bike they should be on. I can't say enough good things about their customer service... so much so that I still feel guilty for having bought used! John On Sunday, January 25, 2015 at 6:25:13 AM UTC-8, michael sellers wrote: Some thoughts from the group please? I have my wifes Riv ordered and hope to place the order for mine soon. I am 6' 235 pds 35' PBH,and will use my bike for quick 4 mile trips to town, 35 mile rides to family visits in the next county,and (hopefully) at some point a trip across the State of Tn. Very limited off road use but maybe occasional rides on State Park fire trails. Is this asking too much long term of a Sam? Would an Atlantis or Hunq be better suited to my plans? Thanks,Mike S. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Sams versatility
To expand on Michael's question a bit... One probably can't argue that a Sam is a very versatile bike. But I, like Michael, am considered a Clydesdale in the biking world. In describing the Sam, Grant said it is enough like a Homer that he can't tell the difference between the two once upon one or another. When also describing a Homer he mentioned that one could easily add 20 or 30 pounds and embark on an overnight trip. Well, 20 or 30 pounds added to a frame's load when one weighs 150 or 170 pounds is far different than 30 pounds of additional baggage when one weighs 240 lb. So a further question is: can a Sam, even a 2TT one, handle a regular 260+ lb load or should a heavier-boned rider look toward an Atlantis or Hunq even if the bike would not truly be used for touring or trail riding? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Sams versatility
Michael, The Sam Hillborne is a super capable bike able to take you to the grocery store (though I'd be super paranoid to leave it locked up outside for very long) and do 25, 50, even 100 milers and take you there on almost any surface with aplomb. Though you may want to go with the largest frame they make with a 35 foot PBH you must be all legs! Just had to throw that in! Back to seriousness, I agree with James on the Atlantis since your not planning on a lot of off road action then the Atlantis could be overkill, but getting fatter cushier tire fever can happen and does. The Hung just pushes the fat tire envelope a bit further and if you plan to do any touring the Atlantis and Hung have extra stout tube sets. So it really boils down to whether you'll end up wanting fatter tires and more load capacity. If it was me with what I know these days I'd more than likely go with the Hungapillar. My .02 ~Hugh Los Angeles, CA On Sunday, January 25, 2015 at 6:25:13 AM UTC-8, michael sellers wrote: Some thoughts from the group please? I have my wifes Riv ordered and hope to place the order for mine soon. I am 6' 235 pds 35' PBH,and will use my bike for quick 4 mile trips to town, 35 mile rides to family visits in the next county,and (hopefully) at some point a trip across the State of Tn. Very limited off road use but maybe occasional rides on State Park fire trails. Is this asking too much long term of a Sam? Would an Atlantis or Hunq be better suited to my plans? Thanks,Mike S. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Sams versatility
Michael, Did you ever talk with Riv about this last June https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!profile/rbw-owners-bunch/APn2wQeL91z253AvHCcpWdptWkfJYPe-SX4RfiRS9dBpeM8ijsB7255PN3dLUhiVHGGQ9BXVOmcP/rbw-owners-bunch/sVhH8yUXPUE/lywVvKFNbIEJ or December https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!profile/rbw-owners-bunch/APn2wQeL91z253AvHCcpWdptWkfJYPe-SX4RfiRS9dBpeM8ijsB7255PN3dLUhiVHGGQ9BXVOmcP/rbw-owners-bunch/M5IWLoRN-FY/kd3U428CCa8J when you were considering an Atlantis or Hunq? They're all really nice people on the phone at Rivendell. I weight 250# and have put camping loads onto my 62cm Sam and liked the way it rode very well. With the 38-42 size tires the Sam was optimized for (such as 700x45 Smart Sam http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/tsmart-10135.htm or 700x38 Conti Speedrides http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/t108.htm) the load has carried well for me on hardpack off road surfaces, like I imagine your local fire trails would mostly be. Roger On Sunday, January 25, 2015 at 6:25:13 AM UTC-8, michael sellers wrote: Some thoughts from the group please? I have my wifes Riv ordered and hope to place the order for mine soon. I am 6' 235 pds 35' PBH,and will use my bike for quick 4 mile trips to town, 35 mile rides to family visits in the next county,and (hopefully) at some point a trip across the State of Tn. Very limited off road use but maybe occasional rides on State Park fire trails. Is this asking too much long term of a Sam? Would an Atlantis or Hunq be better suited to my plans? Thanks,Mike S. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Sams versatility
Sam sounds perfect for you! With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Sams versatility
I agree with the others, the Sam H. will be fine for your needs. The beauty is, if you find you outgrow it and you need something different you can always sell the bike and start again. Riv's have great resale value. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Sams versatility
Hugh,You are correct in that my 35 foot legs have always been an inconvenience !! . Thanks to all for the replies and help!! Mike S -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Sams versatility
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoEz16sxaGQ (Relevant content starts at 1:15, and warning at 3:12, there is one curse word.) On Jan 25, 2015, at 12:49 PM, michael sellers wrote: my 35 foot legs -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
