[RBW] Re: Seeking feedback: smart looking wool cycle shorts
those new Giro shorts do look nice. I believe adding some poly to the blend is a good thing as it increases durability and helps them dry faster. I do prefer shorts/knickers with a little stretch in the fabric on the bike. Adding a touch of spandex to the blend allows a trimmer profile in the for those of us who don't like the real baggy look. I would also be interested in Paul's custom shorts but also would like a knicker length version as well. ~mike Carlsbad Ca On Thursday, September 26, 2013 12:18:48 AM UTC-7, Perry wrote: Paul, I saw these at my lbs the other day and they looked really sharp. Only 10% wool though. Still, material had a very nice wool feel to it. For what it's worth. http://www.giro.com/us_en/products/men/apparel/5m-tech-overshort.html Good luck! • Perry -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Seeking feedback: smart looking wool cycle shorts
Paul- Here are a couple of links to the photos of wool cycling shorts from the '70s. They are from slides I'm slowly scanning so the quality is somewhat iffy in some cases. The first one shows a pair inside out on the back of my bike, you can clearly see the real chamois which would be softened up overnight with chamois fat. http://www.flickr.com/photos/billweaverphoto/9604243962/in/set-72157630138429316 The next ones show a better shot of fit, they did have some nylon for stretch. http://www.flickr.com/photos/billweaverphoto/7376786100/in/set-72157630138429316 http://www.flickr.com/photos/billweaverphoto/9607325113/in/set-72157630138429316 The last link is to the whole Flickr set where you can see everyone wearing wool even through the desert at 105 degrees. http://www.flickr.com/photos/billweaverphoto/sets/72157630138429316/with/9607325113/ The merino wool mix of the shorts were extremely cool in the heat much more than the Lycra currently available. Also my tights were not to different from the Aussie wool ones offered by Riv except they had zipped ankles. You might want to take a look at the construction of some of the baggy mountain bike shorts currently available, many have ventilation built into the design by using a more loosely woven fabric. On Monday, September 23, 2013 10:18:20 PM UTC-5, Paul Y wrote: Many thanks to everyone for all your invaluable feedback, this has been a very encouraging response for me to keep going with this project. Regarding material: The main reason to use a wool blend vs. 100% wool has been that the wool blends are lighter weight to deal with the warm weather here. Since these will be made to order, the purchaser will have a choice in material, and 100% wool could be an option. Generally the blends seem lighter and less prickly than any 100% wool I've seen available here, and still dry fast and resist odor. I know merino could be the ideal 100% wool, but that would make this a much more expensive product. Regarding the sit bone area: I've been wondering what to do about the wear marks, and with this post it seems clear that finding a solution to reinforce that area will be necessary. Because one of the primary objectives are that the shorts look smart, I'm avoiding the more popular synthetic materials for the short, and also don't want to visibly add nylon. Wool seems to get polished by the saddle as shown in the pictures. I am thinking with the next prototype, to try adding elbow patches to the sit bone area. @Lee : What a great DIY photo set you put together; thanks for sharing that. @Shoji : Yes, these have a gusseted crotch, unless we have different understandings of what a guesseted crotch is - there is enough range of movement for the toughest hike-a-bikes I've found here, enough to do yoga even! @Deacon : I'd never come across worsted wool before - thanks I will look into it. @bwphoto : I've never seen these old cycling shorts before. Would you have a photo to share? These shorts seem to work just fine without a chamois, so I am quite certain to keep them chamois-less, as that is pretty much a feature with these! But I am curious about these shorts you used to wear. @Patrick Shoji : Great tip about plumbers crack, I will be sure to get a high back into the next prototype. @Patrick : Thanks for giving me so much information. I'll look at adding an additional rear pocket. You'll be glad to know that the front pockets are deep. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Seeking feedback: smart looking wool cycle shorts
Awesome pics, Bill-- Keep scanning On Wednesday, September 25, 2013 12:50:24 PM UTC-4, bwphoto wrote: Paul- Here are a couple of links to the photos of wool cycling shorts from the '70s. They are from slides I'm slowly scanning so the quality is somewhat iffy in some cases. The first one shows a pair inside out on the back of my bike, you can clearly see the real chamois which would be softened up overnight with chamois fat. http://www.flickr.com/photos/billweaverphoto/9604243962/in/set-72157630138429316 The next ones show a better shot of fit, they did have some nylon for stretch. http://www.flickr.com/photos/billweaverphoto/7376786100/in/set-72157630138429316 http://www.flickr.com/photos/billweaverphoto/9607325113/in/set-72157630138429316 The last link is to the whole Flickr set where you can see everyone wearing wool even through the desert at 105 degrees. http://www.flickr.com/photos/billweaverphoto/sets/72157630138429316/with/9607325113/ The merino wool mix of the shorts were extremely cool in the heat much more than the Lycra currently available. Also my tights were not to different from the Aussie wool ones offered by Riv except they had zipped ankles. You might want to take a look at the construction of some of the baggy mountain bike shorts currently available, many have ventilation built into the design by using a more loosely woven fabric. On Monday, September 23, 2013 10:18:20 PM UTC-5, Paul Y wrote: Many thanks to everyone for all your invaluable feedback, this has been a very encouraging response for me to keep going with this project. Regarding material: The main reason to use a wool blend vs. 100% wool has been that the wool blends are lighter weight to deal with the warm weather here. Since these will be made to order, the purchaser will have a choice in material, and 100% wool could be an option. Generally the blends seem lighter and less prickly than any 100% wool I've seen available here, and still dry fast and resist odor. I know merino could be the ideal 100% wool, but that would make this a much more expensive product. Regarding the sit bone area: I've been wondering what to do about the wear marks, and with this post it seems clear that finding a solution to reinforce that area will be necessary. Because one of the primary objectives are that the shorts look smart, I'm avoiding the more popular synthetic materials for the short, and also don't want to visibly add nylon. Wool seems to get polished by the saddle as shown in the pictures. I am thinking with the next prototype, to try adding elbow patches to the sit bone area. @Lee : What a great DIY photo set you put together; thanks for sharing that. @Shoji : Yes, these have a gusseted crotch, unless we have different understandings of what a guesseted crotch is - there is enough range of movement for the toughest hike-a-bikes I've found here, enough to do yoga even! @Deacon : I'd never come across worsted wool before - thanks I will look into it. @bwphoto : I've never seen these old cycling shorts before. Would you have a photo to share? These shorts seem to work just fine without a chamois, so I am quite certain to keep them chamois-less, as that is pretty much a feature with these! But I am curious about these shorts you used to wear. @Patrick Shoji : Great tip about plumbers crack, I will be sure to get a high back into the next prototype. @Patrick : Thanks for giving me so much information. I'll look at adding an additional rear pocket. You'll be glad to know that the front pockets are deep. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Seeking feedback: smart looking wool cycle shorts
Those are cycling shorts in the sense of padded in crotch shorts. Paul intends -- am I right? -- to make shorts in the pattern of street shorts but adapted for riding -- no gd padding, no stretch, no tight. FWIW, I have several pairs of wool cycling shorts in the first sense of the term and I find them much more comfortable than tight, clingy, clammy lycra, but I hardly ever wear them -- street shorts -- of the right design! -- are far more convenient and the padding or abrasion-resisting shammy isn't needed on rides below 30 miles. Hell, on rides under 50 miles, as far as I can tell. Paul: please consider expanding, eventually, into rayon cycling jerseys. I can find nothing for hot weather that doesn't stink like a pig after 20 miles. I have a dozen Hawaiian shirts that are great for hot weather riding -- far better than seersucker, IMO -- whose only defect is that they flap like Old Glory in the gale and tempest of my passing. Perhaps a stretch, pullover rayon jersey, or even a button up cut long but slimmer; rear or front pockets in any case. (I haven't yet coughed up the $70 or so for that New Zealand jersey -- am waiting for winter markdowns.) On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 11:38 AM, Shoji Takahashi shoji.takaha...@gmail.com wrote: Awesome pics, Bill-- Keep scanning On Wednesday, September 25, 2013 12:50:24 PM UTC-4, bwphoto wrote: Paul- Here are a couple of links to the photos of wool cycling shorts from the '70s. They are from slides I'm slowly scanning so the quality is somewhat iffy in some cases. The first one shows a pair inside out on the back of my bike, you can clearly see the real chamois which would be softened up overnight with chamois fat. http://www.flickr.com/photos/billweaverphoto/9604243962/in/set-72157630138429316 The next ones show a better shot of fit, they did have some nylon for stretch. http://www.flickr.com/photos/billweaverphoto/7376786100/in/set-72157630138429316 http://www.flickr.com/photos/billweaverphoto/9607325113/in/set-72157630138429316 The last link is to the whole Flickr set where you can see everyone wearing wool even through the desert at 105 degrees. http://www.flickr.com/photos/billweaverphoto/sets/72157630138429316/with/9607325113/ The merino wool mix of the shorts were extremely cool in the heat much more than the Lycra currently available. Also my tights were not to different from the Aussie wool ones offered by Riv except they had zipped ankles. You might want to take a look at the construction of some of the baggy mountain bike shorts currently available, many have ventilation built into the design by using a more loosely woven fabric. On Monday, September 23, 2013 10:18:20 PM UTC-5, Paul Y wrote: Many thanks to everyone for all your invaluable feedback, this has been a very encouraging response for me to keep going with this project. Regarding material: The main reason to use a wool blend vs. 100% wool has been that the wool blends are lighter weight to deal with the warm weather here. Since these will be made to order, the purchaser will have a choice in material, and 100% wool could be an option. Generally the blends seem lighter and less prickly than any 100% wool I've seen available here, and still dry fast and resist odor. I know merino could be the ideal 100% wool, but that would make this a much more expensive product. Regarding the sit bone area: I've been wondering what to do about the wear marks, and with this post it seems clear that finding a solution to reinforce that area will be necessary. Because one of the primary objectives are that the shorts look smart, I'm avoiding the more popular synthetic materials for the short, and also don't want to visibly add nylon. Wool seems to get polished by the saddle as shown in the pictures. I am thinking with the next prototype, to try adding elbow patches to the sit bone area. @Lee : What a great DIY photo set you put together; thanks for sharing that. @Shoji : Yes, these have a gusseted crotch, unless we have different understandings of what a guesseted crotch is - there is enough range of movement for the toughest hike-a-bikes I've found here, enough to do yoga even! @Deacon : I'd never come across worsted wool before - thanks I will look into it. @bwphoto : I've never seen these old cycling shorts before. Would you have a photo to share? These shorts seem to work just fine without a chamois, so I am quite certain to keep them chamois-less, as that is pretty much a feature with these! But I am curious about these shorts you used to wear. @Patrick Shoji : Great tip about plumbers crack, I will be sure to get a high back into the next prototype. @Patrick : Thanks for giving me so much information. I'll look at adding an additional rear pocket. You'll be glad to know that the front pockets are deep. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To
Re: [RBW] Re: Seeking feedback: smart looking wool cycle shorts
I agree with Patrick I'd love to see some good fitting shorts that are well vented, loose fitting and can if need be accommodate some sort of liner that helps keep things together if you know what I mean. I don't mind riding in just street shorts and cotton briefs for short errands around 10 miles but anything longer especially in summer creates to many hot spots in all the wrong places. I've tried all sorts of technical briefs etc. and even tho they are more breathable they don't hold things together so I'm constant adjusting my position. The things I like about the mountain bike style of street sort is are number and style of pockets that are closed by zippers and allow me to keep things like my phone and billfold on my body. I can't be trusted, at least in the city, to remember to take these things with me when I lock up my bike, while on the open road touring I don't need pockets as much. Also I like the pant style Patrick posted awhile back, tappered legs with ankle zips or some sort of closure that allows for them to come off without removing shoes would be nice as well. On Wednesday, September 25, 2013 12:48:08 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote: Those are cycling shorts in the sense of padded in crotch shorts. Paul intends -- am I right? -- to make shorts in the pattern of street shorts but adapted for riding -- no gd padding, no stretch, no tight. FWIW, I have several pairs of wool cycling shorts in the first sense of the term and I find them much more comfortable than tight, clingy, clammy lycra, but I hardly ever wear them -- street shorts -- of the right design! -- are far more convenient and the padding or abrasion-resisting shammy isn't needed on rides below 30 miles. Hell, on rides under 50 miles, as far as I can tell. Paul: please consider expanding, eventually, into rayon cycling jerseys. I can find nothing for hot weather that doesn't stink like a pig after 20 miles. I have a dozen Hawaiian shirts that are great for hot weather riding -- far better than seersucker, IMO -- whose only defect is that they flap like Old Glory in the gale and tempest of my passing. Perhaps a stretch, pullover rayon jersey, or even a button up cut long but slimmer; rear or front pockets in any case. (I haven't yet coughed up the $70 or so for that New Zealand jersey -- am waiting for winter markdowns.) On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 11:38 AM, Shoji Takahashi shoji.t...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: Awesome pics, Bill-- Keep scanning On Wednesday, September 25, 2013 12:50:24 PM UTC-4, bwphoto wrote: Paul- Here are a couple of links to the photos of wool cycling shorts from the '70s. They are from slides I'm slowly scanning so the quality is somewhat iffy in some cases. The first one shows a pair inside out on the back of my bike, you can clearly see the real chamois which would be softened up overnight with chamois fat. http://www.flickr.com/photos/billweaverphoto/9604243962/in/set-72157630138429316 The next ones show a better shot of fit, they did have some nylon for stretch. http://www.flickr.com/photos/billweaverphoto/7376786100/in/set-72157630138429316 http://www.flickr.com/photos/billweaverphoto/9607325113/in/set-72157630138429316 The last link is to the whole Flickr set where you can see everyone wearing wool even through the desert at 105 degrees. http://www.flickr.com/photos/billweaverphoto/sets/72157630138429316/with/9607325113/ The merino wool mix of the shorts were extremely cool in the heat much more than the Lycra currently available. Also my tights were not to different from the Aussie wool ones offered by Riv except they had zipped ankles. You might want to take a look at the construction of some of the baggy mountain bike shorts currently available, many have ventilation built into the design by using a more loosely woven fabric. On Monday, September 23, 2013 10:18:20 PM UTC-5, Paul Y wrote: Many thanks to everyone for all your invaluable feedback, this has been a very encouraging response for me to keep going with this project. Regarding material: The main reason to use a wool blend vs. 100% wool has been that the wool blends are lighter weight to deal with the warm weather here. Since these will be made to order, the purchaser will have a choice in material, and 100% wool could be an option. Generally the blends seem lighter and less prickly than any 100% wool I've seen available here, and still dry fast and resist odor. I know merino could be the ideal 100% wool, but that would make this a much more expensive product. Regarding the sit bone area: I've been wondering what to do about the wear marks, and with this post it seems clear that finding a solution to reinforce that area will be necessary. Because one of the
[RBW] Re: Seeking feedback: smart looking wool cycle shorts
I hate using sun screen so prefer my shorts to cover my knees when riding. Wool knickers I've seen all go for the Victorian era sporting gentleman look. Not my style. If you offer one with board short proportions my order will follow. On Monday, September 23, 2013 6:52:57 AM UTC-5, Paul Y wrote: Hi all, I'm looking for some feedback on my pet project - cycling shorts inspired by Grant's writings and also the posts of several on this group. I had my prototype of these shorts made at the tailor's about 3 months ago and have put about a thousand kilometers on them. I have to say I am very pleased, and hope to bring these shorts to market as a custom fitted, made-to-order product. Link to flickr photosethttp://www.flickr.com/photos/paulatwork/sets/72157635797576895/ Any comments would be greatly appreciated! Paul -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Seeking feedback: smart looking wool cycle shorts
Looks good Paul the cut looks right. Short above the knee and straight cut. I'm curious about the lengths and whatnot.. The action shot is money. I would be interested! Kickstarter? On Monday, September 23, 2013 4:52:57 AM UTC-7, Paul Y wrote: Hi all, I'm looking for some feedback on my pet project - cycling shorts inspired by Grant's writings and also the posts of several on this group. I had my prototype of these shorts made at the tailor's about 3 months ago and have put about a thousand kilometers on them. I have to say I am very pleased, and hope to bring these shorts to market as a custom fitted, made-to-order product. Link to flickr photosethttp://www.flickr.com/photos/paulatwork/sets/72157635797576895/ Any comments would be greatly appreciated! Paul -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Seeking feedback: smart looking wool cycle shorts
Neat idea. I enjoy wearing old wool dress pants for winter cycling/xc skiing/running. How do you think the seat will hold up after another thousand km? I'd be interested in a short/knicker with reinforced sit bones panel; probably some type of nylon. Jon Watertown, MA On Monday, September 23, 2013 7:52:57 AM UTC-4, Paul Y wrote: Hi all, I'm looking for some feedback on my pet project - cycling shorts inspired by Grant's writings and also the posts of several on this group. I had my prototype of these shorts made at the tailor's about 3 months ago and have put about a thousand kilometers on them. I have to say I am very pleased, and hope to bring these shorts to market as a custom fitted, made-to-order product. Link to flickr photosethttp://www.flickr.com/photos/paulatwork/sets/72157635797576895/ Any comments would be greatly appreciated! Paul -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Seeking feedback: smart looking wool cycle shorts
I like the idea because nylon pants mark my leather saddles On Monday, September 23, 2013 10:15:51 AM UTC-5, Jon Doyle wrote: Neat idea. I enjoy wearing old wool dress pants for winter cycling/xc skiing/running. How do you think the seat will hold up after another thousand km? I'd be interested in a short/knicker with reinforced sit bones panel; probably some type of nylon. Jon Watertown, MA On Monday, September 23, 2013 7:52:57 AM UTC-4, Paul Y wrote: Hi all, I'm looking for some feedback on my pet project - cycling shorts inspired by Grant's writings and also the posts of several on this group. I had my prototype of these shorts made at the tailor's about 3 months ago and have put about a thousand kilometers on them. I have to say I am very pleased, and hope to bring these shorts to market as a custom fitted, made-to-order product. Link to flickr photosethttp://www.flickr.com/photos/paulatwork/sets/72157635797576895/ Any comments would be greatly appreciated! Paul -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Seeking feedback: smart looking wool cycle shorts
I very much like the idea, Paul, and second the desire for wool breeches (knickers) with full range of motion built in. A few thoughts: -- would worsted wool show less wear? -- wool blend? Why not go 100% wool? With abandon, Patrick On Monday, September 23, 2013 5:52:57 AM UTC-6, Paul Y wrote: Hi all, I'm looking for some feedback on my pet project - cycling shorts inspired by Grant's writings and also the posts of several on this group. I had my prototype of these shorts made at the tailor's about 3 months ago and have put about a thousand kilometers on them. I have to say I am very pleased, and hope to bring these shorts to market as a custom fitted, made-to-order product. Link to flickr photosethttp://www.flickr.com/photos/paulatwork/sets/72157635797576895/ Any comments would be greatly appreciated! Paul -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Seeking feedback: smart looking wool cycle shorts
Deac, you may want to look at these http://www.bicyclefixation.com/prod_wool_knickers.html On Monday, September 23, 2013 10:43:38 AM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote: I very much like the idea, Paul, and second the desire for wool breeches (knickers) with full range of motion built in. A few thoughts: -- would worsted wool show less wear? -- wool blend? Why not go 100% wool? With abandon, Patrick On Monday, September 23, 2013 5:52:57 AM UTC-6, Paul Y wrote: Hi all, I'm looking for some feedback on my pet project - cycling shorts inspired by Grant's writings and also the posts of several on this group. I had my prototype of these shorts made at the tailor's about 3 months ago and have put about a thousand kilometers on them. I have to say I am very pleased, and hope to bring these shorts to market as a custom fitted, made-to-order product. Link to flickr photosethttp://www.flickr.com/photos/paulatwork/sets/72157635797576895/ Any comments would be greatly appreciated! Paul -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Seeking feedback: smart looking wool cycle shorts
Hi Paul, Looks nice. Did you consider a gusseted crotch? or does the current seamless design offer a large range of motion? Is the back cut high enough to prevent plumber's crack? Thanks! Shoji On Monday, September 23, 2013 7:52:57 AM UTC-4, Paul Y wrote: Hi all, I'm looking for some feedback on my pet project - cycling shorts inspired by Grant's writings and also the posts of several on this group. I had my prototype of these shorts made at the tailor's about 3 months ago and have put about a thousand kilometers on them. I have to say I am very pleased, and hope to bring these shorts to market as a custom fitted, made-to-order product. Link to flickr photosethttp://www.flickr.com/photos/paulatwork/sets/72157635797576895/ Any comments would be greatly appreciated! Paul -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Seeking feedback: smart looking wool cycle shorts
Great idea! Back in the '60s and up until the late ''70s and '80s merino wool cycling shorts were the [primary choice of many of us. In the early '70s my ex along with the wives of some of our cycling pals created patterns for cycling shorts made of merino wool/nylon blend for stretch, the crotch was double layer with a real chamois. I wore those sorts throughout the '70s, '80s until they finally gave out in the early '90s. Unlike the diaper lined Lycra ones now they extremely comfortable regardless of the environment I rode through from Pacific NW rain to eastern Oregon desert heat. It was a sad day when the last pair finally gave out. The real chamois was there not for padding but to eliminate chafing, together with a generous coat of chamois cream. While I currently wear loose shorts around own ( I like pockets because I can't trust myself to remember to grab my billfold and phone when I head into a store) and I always wear a liner short under the baggy ones because I like to have a home for my boys and I find cotton undies absorbs to much sweat. Anyway, I'd buy your shorts and you might want to think about resurrecting the old wool and real chamois version, I'm sure I'm not the only one who wold like to something other than the current choices. On Monday, September 23, 2013 10:43:38 AM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote: I very much like the idea, Paul, and second the desire for wool breeches (knickers) with full range of motion built in. A few thoughts: -- would worsted wool show less wear? -- wool blend? Why not go 100% wool? With abandon, Patrick On Monday, September 23, 2013 5:52:57 AM UTC-6, Paul Y wrote: Hi all, I'm looking for some feedback on my pet project - cycling shorts inspired by Grant's writings and also the posts of several on this group. I had my prototype of these shorts made at the tailor's about 3 months ago and have put about a thousand kilometers on them. I have to say I am very pleased, and hope to bring these shorts to market as a custom fitted, made-to-order product. Link to flickr photosethttp://www.flickr.com/photos/paulatwork/sets/72157635797576895/ Any comments would be greatly appreciated! Paul -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Seeking feedback: smart looking wool cycle shorts
Many thanks to everyone for all your invaluable feedback, this has been a very encouraging response for me to keep going with this project. Regarding material: The main reason to use a wool blend vs. 100% wool has been that the wool blends are lighter weight to deal with the warm weather here. Since these will be made to order, the purchaser will have a choice in material, and 100% wool could be an option. Generally the blends seem lighter and less prickly than any 100% wool I've seen available here, and still dry fast and resist odor. I know merino could be the ideal 100% wool, but that would make this a much more expensive product. Regarding the sit bone area: I've been wondering what to do about the wear marks, and with this post it seems clear that finding a solution to reinforce that area will be necessary. Because one of the primary objectives are that the shorts look smart, I'm avoiding the more popular synthetic materials for the short, and also don't want to visibly add nylon. Wool seems to get polished by the saddle as shown in the pictures. I am thinking with the next prototype, to try adding elbow patches to the sit bone area. @Lee : What a great DIY photo set you put together; thanks for sharing that. @Shoji : Yes, these have a gusseted crotch, unless we have different understandings of what a guesseted crotch is - there is enough range of movement for the toughest hike-a-bikes I've found here, enough to do yoga even! @Deacon : I'd never come across worsted wool before - thanks I will look into it. @bwphoto : I've never seen these old cycling shorts before. Would you have a photo to share? These shorts seem to work just fine without a chamois, so I am quite certain to keep them chamois-less, as that is pretty much a feature with these! But I am curious about these shorts you used to wear. @Patrick Shoji : Great tip about plumbers crack, I will be sure to get a high back into the next prototype. @Patrick : Thanks for giving me so much information. I'll look at adding an additional rear pocket. You'll be glad to know that the front pockets are deep. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
