Re: [RBW] Re: Show me your touring/camping setup!

[Lee Legrand]

A Deacon that never exercise self restraint! LOL

On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 8:35 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> I've never exercised self restraint, though I hope to do so one day, but I
> have done loads of research on it... Grin.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Tuesday, August 22, 2017 at 7:50:40 PM UTC-6, Lee Legrand wrote:
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>> I have never done a touring/camping on a bicycle and hope to do it one
>> day but I have done tons of research on it.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Show me your touring/camping setup!

[Deacon Patrick]

I've never exercised self restraint, though I hope to do so one day, but I 
have done loads of research on it... Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

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> I have never done a touring/camping on a bicycle and hope to do it one day 
> but I have done tons of research on it.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Show me your touring/camping setup!

[Hugh Smitham]

Swooning. Love those Bantam rigs.

~hugh

On Aug 23, 2017 4:30 PM, "Curtis McKenzie"  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Here is my 67 cm Bantam at Angle Island.  This is how I usually pack for a
> week or longer.  Fun stuff.  Bob at Bantam is beyond great.
>
> Curtis
>
> On Aug 23, 2017 4:09 PM, "adam leibow"  wrote:
>
>> almost at hawk camp in marin headlands. rode from my home in sf
>>
>> https://www.instagram.com/p/BQLvQ0ODVzz/?taken-by=adom_l
>>
>> On Monday, August 21, 2017 at 12:57:57 PM UTC-7, John G. wrote:
>>>
>>> It looks like I'll be taking my Atlantis on a quick 2-night tour in the
>>> next few days. I'll be camping instead of staying in hotels. I haven't bike
>>> camped before, so I need ideas on how to load up the bike. If you have pics
>>> of your Rivendell loaded up for a quick tour, post 'em here!
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Show me your touring/camping setup!

[Tim O. (Portland, OR)]

Hey, Andrew-

Nice looking Bombadil! 

I have the Raceguard G-ones that are sold on the riv site. I really like them 
on dry roads and gravel. Haven't really ridden anything else on them, but I 
hear they don't do well in wet conditions. They feel really fast and comfy. 
They eat up a ton of road vibration so it feels like you're flying on rocket 
clouds...or something like that. They aren't very durable though. I've ridden 
them about 800 miles so far and the rear tire has already lost lots of tread. I 
suppose that's always the trade off for lightweight/fast tires. 

Cheers,
Tim

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[RBW] Re: Show me your touring/camping setup!

[adam leibow]

almost at hawk camp in marin headlands. rode from my home in sf

https://www.instagram.com/p/BQLvQ0ODVzz/?taken-by=adom_l

On Monday, August 21, 2017 at 12:57:57 PM UTC-7, John G. wrote:
>
> It looks like I'll be taking my Atlantis on a quick 2-night tour in the 
> next few days. I'll be camping instead of staying in hotels. I haven't bike 
> camped before, so I need ideas on how to load up the bike. If you have pics 
> of your Rivendell loaded up for a quick tour, post 'em here!
>

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[RBW] Re: Show me your touring/camping setup!

[Hugh Smitham]

Clayton,

Always dig your set-up's.

~hugh

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[RBW] Re: Show me your touring/camping setup!

[Will]

I'd give Wayne at The Touring Store a call. 

Poke around here first:  http://thetouringstore.com/

I have no affiliation with Wayne but I have bought 4 racks and 4 bags from 
him. Love the Tubus/Ortlieb setup. Works great on an Atlantis. I have a 53 
Toyo.  

On Monday, August 21, 2017 at 2:57:57 PM UTC-5, John G. wrote:
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> It looks like I'll be taking my Atlantis on a quick 2-night tour in the 
> next few days. I'll be camping instead of staying in hotels. I haven't bike 
> camped before, so I need ideas on how to load up the bike. If you have pics 
> of your Rivendell loaded up for a quick tour, post 'em here!
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Show me your touring/camping setup!

[Hugh Smitham]

I need to read this. Been looking for a good read. Thanks Patrick and Erl. Late 
Fall here opens the window for Desert bike packing, Anza, Mojave and Death 
Valley. How I'd love New Mexico and Utah's White Rim.

~hugh

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[RBW] Re: Show me your touring/camping setup!

[Hugh Smitham]

Not a Riv but this is my off road touring load 
.
 
shown 27.5+ (3")

For longer tours I can either run bags on the forks instead of the water 
bottles or panniers. I have a custom being built around 27.5 x 47~48mm WTB 
byways or similar.

~hugh



On Monday, August 21, 2017 at 12:57:57 PM UTC-7, John G. wrote:
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> It looks like I'll be taking my Atlantis on a quick 2-night tour in the 
> next few days. I'll be camping instead of staying in hotels. I haven't bike 
> camped before, so I need ideas on how to load up the bike. If you have pics 
> of your Rivendell loaded up for a quick tour, post 'em here!
>

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[RBW] Re: Show me your touring/camping setup!

[dstein]

Nice thing about 2 nights is it's basically the same stuff you'd bring on 
one night, just a little more clothes and food.

I've experimented a lot for S240 setups and decided that a rear saddle bag 
combined with two low panniers in the front and a front basket is the 
perfect setup for handling. This equates to a medium/large saddlesack with 
tent/pad/bag/tools, HAR bags with clothes/food for campsite, and a basket 
with a medium shopsack with an insulated bag for beer and snacks. Never too 
much weight in any particular bag. I can fit everything in the saddlesack 
and shopsack, but the bike shimmies way too much, the low bags up front 
really help distribute the weight.

Bike on the left is mine. 


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[RBW] Re: Show me your touring/camping setup!

['Clayton' via RBW Owners Bunch]

An older photo showing my Toyo Atlantis with homemade bags. 

Clayton B. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Show me your touring/camping setup!

[Tim O. (Portland, OR)]

This is a fun thread! Here's my Protovelo set up for a mixed road/gravel short 
tour: https://goo.gl/photos/TVhGoQeFNyWwvn3h9

Pack light, but with lots of food and water if you won't have places to stop.

Cheers,
Tim

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Re: [RBW] Re: Show me your touring/camping setup!

[Lee Legrand]

I have never done a touring/camping on a bicycle and hope to do it one day
but I have done tons of research on it.

1.  Develop a minimalist attitude and pack light.  Try to bring things that
you need and instead of things you would like to have.  Easy to overpack
things.  My research has told me to get the things you would like to have
and then begin to pair down from there.

2.  Many people have different setups for carrying there things but the
most logical is to carry heavy stuff up front and lighter stuff in the
rear.  The french bicycle company Berthoud, recommends a set up where it is
60 front/ 40 rear.  Better weight distribution since majority of your body
weight is on the rear wheel.  Met a bicycle tourist from France recently
who came thru my town and he told me broke the rear triangle on his trek
across the USA but he did have most of his loads in the rear.  He manage to
get it welded together to continue his journey.  Better to have it most
loads up front.

3.  Keep the loads low for stability of the bicycle.  Another of Berthoud
advise.  Yes they sell panniers and that may be part of their of it but it
makes since to keep the center of gravity low.

4. Everyone has a favorite in how they carry there stuff but I do think
panniers are better than trailers.  It is one less thing to break down and
manuever.  I think trailer are good if you need to bring stuff on a large
journey around the world and extra capacity is needed.

5. Make sure you can bring enough water on your journey.  Never know when
you will be on long stretches with no access to water for awhile.  At least
bring 3 water bottles.

6. I think for light touring, two large panniers up front with a handlebar
bag and possible a small rear saddlebag is all that is needed.  The
saddlebag needs not be large and if it is, consider what you are bringing
again. Do I really need it?  Is it heavy?

7.  Steve told me this once but he mentioned that you should know the
terrain so you have the gear required to ride it.  Changes in elevation
with stuff on the bicycle with not low enough gear to ride will be a
problem.

Thats all I got.

On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 7:45 PM, Kellie  wrote:

> Also a great resource  is *bikepacking.com *.
> Most of the photos here are packed too unwieldy for me. I prefer a more
> compartmentalized and streamlined look. You'll see lots of variety on this
> website, even basket bikepacking.
>
> On Monday, August 21, 2017 at 12:57:57 PM UTC-7, John G. wrote:
>
>> It looks like I'll be taking my Atlantis on a quick 2-night tour in the
>> next few days. I'll be camping instead of staying in hotels. I haven't bike
>> camped before, so I need ideas on how to load up the bike. If you have pics
>> of your Rivendell loaded up for a quick tour, post 'em here!
>>
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[RBW] Re: Show me your touring/camping setup!

[Kellie]

Also a great resource  is *bikepacking.com*. Most of the photos here are 
packed too unwieldy for me. I prefer a more compartmentalized and 
streamlined look. You'll see lots of variety on this website, even basket 
bikepacking.

On Monday, August 21, 2017 at 12:57:57 PM UTC-7, John G. wrote:
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> It looks like I'll be taking my Atlantis on a quick 2-night tour in the 
> next few days. I'll be camping instead of staying in hotels. I haven't bike 
> camped before, so I need ideas on how to load up the bike. If you have pics 
> of your Rivendell loaded up for a quick tour, post 'em here!
>

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[RBW] Re: Show me your touring/camping setup!

[Shawn Granton]

Here's a couple recent shots of my Bantam loaded up. I switch it up a bit, 
but there's generally a front "rando" style bag (North St), a frame bag 
(Jandd) and a saddlebag (Carradice.) And yes, there is food in there! ;-) 
 -Shawn







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[RBW] Re: Show me your touring/camping setup!

[Marc Irwin]

Here's a photo of my Hunq dressed up  for a trip with Surly front rack, 
Ortlieb Front-Roller bags, a medium Wald Basket and Large Saddlesack.  Here 
is a popular link to my blog about bike packing. 




Hope it helps.

Marc


On Monday, August 21, 2017 at 3:57:57 PM UTC-4, John G. wrote:
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> It looks like I'll be taking my Atlantis on a quick 2-night tour in the 
> next few days. I'll be camping instead of staying in hotels. I haven't bike 
> camped before, so I need ideas on how to load up the bike. If you have pics 
> of your Rivendell loaded up for a quick tour, post 'em here!
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Show me your touring/camping setup!

[WETH]

Patrick,
Desert Solitaire! One of my favorite books! I reread the first 5 chapters about 
once a year. 
“A man on foot, on horseback or on a bicycle will see more, feel more, enjoy 
more in one mile than the motorized tourists can in a hundred miles.”
-Erl 

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[RBW] Re: Show me your touring/camping setup!

[John G]

Here is one (from almost 10 years ago!!) of my Quickbeam and a friend's 
Romulus on a trip to Gettysburg PA from MD.
Sleeping quilt on fron bars.  Pad and tent on rack.  Other stuff in 
Carradice Nelson longflap.

https://flic.kr/p/5aqahc

Here is a slightly different set up for my QB with sleeping pad below 
toptube.
https://flic.kr/p/X5m8o

Now-a-days I have use my Specialized AWOL for touring loads 
https://flic.kr/p/yhpa84  or https://flic.kr/p/ssJ8ft

and my MTB for bikepacking loads.
https://flic.kr/p/fTHAHd

Cheers,
 John G, Union Bridge, MD

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> It looks like I'll be taking my Atlantis on a quick 2-night tour in the 
> next few days. I'll be camping instead of staying in hotels. I haven't bike 
> camped before, so I need ideas on how to load up the bike. If you have pics 
> of your Rivendell loaded up for a quick tour, post 'em here!
>

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[RBW] Re: Show me your touring/camping setup!

[Deacon Patrick]

Here is a PDF on everything you ever wanted to know about 
pemmican. http://www.traditionaltx.us/images/PEMMICAN.pdf

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, August 21, 2017 at 1:57:57 PM UTC-6, John G. wrote:
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> It looks like I'll be taking my Atlantis on a quick 2-night tour in the 
> next few days. I'll be camping instead of staying in hotels. I haven't bike 
> camped before, so I need ideas on how to load up the bike. If you have pics 
> of your Rivendell loaded up for a quick tour, post 'em here!
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Show me your touring/camping setup!

[Deacon Patrick]

@ Patrick. Pemmican stores indefinitely if prepared properly (jerky dry 
enough, tallow rendered properly, proportions and mixed properly), though 
I'm not sure if that's been tested in hot desert country. You likely need 
to keep it solid for shelf stability at warmer temps.

@ Drew: I eat ketogenic and when bikepacking only eat one meal a day. I've 
settled into doing 1-4 nights or so, and thus take raw steak and/or brats 
and cook over my firebox. For the steak, I bring a dry rub. I've found raw 
steak vacuum packed lasts up to ten days in desert heat, so in the 
mountains I don't worry about it at all. Cream for extra fat in my coffee 
only lasts a day or two depending on temps, so that's trickier. I carry 
that all in my wee trunk sack on my front rack.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, August 21, 2017 at 6:45:09 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
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> Question: how long does pemmican last when properly stored but not 
> refrigerated? And how do you store it properly?
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Show me your touring/camping setup!

[drew]

Ok. Somewhat related question. When I see people's bike packing setups, 
Especially the ones without panniers, where is the food being kept? Or are 
people just eating protein bars and stuff for dinner?
I always bring food to make, since that's one of the most fun parts about 
camping to me. But real food and a way to cook it takes up space fast. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Show me your touring/camping setup!

[Patrick Moore]

I have to say that, as beautiful as greenery is, the desert scenes --
Georgia O'Keefe's country -- is hard to beat. I recall Edward Abbey's paean
to desert beauty, Desert Solitaire; worth reading.

Question: how long does pemmican last when properly stored but not
refrigerated? And how do you store it properly?

On Mon, Aug 21, 2017 at 3:17 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> Och! Forgot links. These two posts show my Hunqapillar through the years
> with various bikepacking setups.
> http://thegrid.ai/withabandon/the-mad-genious-of-rivendells-hunqapillar
> and this one, in which my panniers are loaded with 24 pounds (15-20 days)
> of pemmican along with my gear.
> http://thegrid.ai/withabandon/great-divide-mountain-bike-trail/
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
>
> On Monday, August 21, 2017 at 1:57:57 PM UTC-6, John G. wrote:
>
>> It looks like I'll be taking my Atlantis on a quick 2-night tour in the
>> next few days. I'll be camping instead of staying in hotels. I haven't bike
>> camped before, so I need ideas on how to load up the bike. If you have pics
>> of your Rivendell loaded up for a quick tour, post 'em here!
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[RBW] Re: Show me your touring/camping setup!

[Deacon Patrick]

I just get the modern nylon, aggressive, hard to use in my experience MTB 
set-ups via search images.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, August 21, 2017 at 4:15:23 PM UTC-6, Kellie wrote:
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> google bike packing and select images. 
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[RBW] Re: Show me your touring/camping setup!

[John G.]

Stroke of genius, Kellie. It truly never crossed my mind.

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[RBW] Re: Show me your touring/camping setup!

[Kellie]

google bike packing and select images. 

On Monday, August 21, 2017 at 12:57:57 PM UTC-7, John G. wrote:
>
> It looks like I'll be taking my Atlantis on a quick 2-night tour in the 
> next few days. I'll be camping instead of staying in hotels. I haven't bike 
> camped before, so I need ideas on how to load up the bike. If you have pics 
> of your Rivendell loaded up for a quick tour, post 'em here!
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Show me your touring/camping setup!

[Deacon Patrick]

I rendered my own tallow from suet. Getting 100% grass fed is critical, 
both for nutrition and for it staying solid. Here are my notes:

~~~
Grassfed Beef:
40 pounds heart (dried to crisp, roughly 10 pounds total) (no need for it 
to be heart, but lean cuts. Heart is usually cheap)
20 pounds suet (rendered to 10+ lbs tallow, saved cracklin' for snacks and 
flavoring in other items)

Great source for tallow by the bucket (and beef): Grassfed Beef (they also 
offer pemmican but it is not shelf stable officially. I haven't tested that 
out on a trip) but it is the easiest way to taste pemmican):
https://grasslandbeef.com

40 pounds heart (dried to crisp, roughly 10 pounds total)
20 pounds suet (rendered to 10+ lbs tallow, saved cracklin' for snacks and 
flavoring in other items)

Yielded 21.5 pounds pemmican

1 cup pemmican = ½ pound = aprox 1,500 calories

I figure I need 1 to 1 ½ pounds pemmican per day to run 30+ miles per day. 
(I ended up averaging 60 miles/day on 1.5 pounds)

Used recipe from PDF on how to make pemmican (will email you off group). 
Added salt, sage, rosemary, and maple syrup to taste at the end. Tastes 
like a candy bar beyond all candy bars. Add spices slowly. A wee bit goes a 
long way. Taste as you add, and keep in mind it will intensify.

With abandon,
Patrick



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Re: [RBW] Re: Show me your touring/camping setup!

[Reed Kennedy]

Hey Patrick, what's your pemmican recipe? I've been meaning to try making
some, and would welcome any thoughts or advice you're willing to share!


Best,
Reed

On Mon, Aug 21, 2017 at 2:17 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> Och! Forgot links. These two posts show my Hunqapillar through the years
> with various bikepacking setups.
> http://thegrid.ai/withabandon/the-mad-genious-of-rivendells-hunqapillar
> and this one, in which my panniers are loaded with 24 pounds (15-20 days)
> of pemmican along with my gear.
> http://thegrid.ai/withabandon/great-divide-mountain-bike-trail/
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
>
> On Monday, August 21, 2017 at 1:57:57 PM UTC-6, John G. wrote:
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>> It looks like I'll be taking my Atlantis on a quick 2-night tour in the
>> next few days. I'll be camping instead of staying in hotels. I haven't bike
>> camped before, so I need ideas on how to load up the bike. If you have pics
>> of your Rivendell loaded up for a quick tour, post 'em here!
>>
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[RBW] Re: Show me your touring/camping setup!

[drew]

Here is mine with a load for a couple of nights. probably more than 
actually needed, but it had food and cooking gear for 2 days. rear has 
sleeping pad, tent and tools. front has a soft cooler and small items in 
the basket. front panniers hold the sleeping bag, clothes, cooking stuff. i 
basically used the same set up for tours that last a week or longer.  i 
havent quite figured out how to pack for a s240 yet. 



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[RBW] Re: Show me your touring/camping setup!

[Deacon Patrick]

Och! Forgot links. These two posts show my Hunqapillar through the years 
with various bikepacking setups.
http://thegrid.ai/withabandon/the-mad-genious-of-rivendells-hunqapillar
and this one, in which my panniers are loaded with 24 pounds (15-20 days) 
of pemmican along with my gear.
http://thegrid.ai/withabandon/great-divide-mountain-bike-trail/

With abandon,
Patrick


On Monday, August 21, 2017 at 1:57:57 PM UTC-6, John G. wrote:
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> It looks like I'll be taking my Atlantis on a quick 2-night tour in the 
> next few days. I'll be camping instead of staying in hotels. I haven't bike 
> camped before, so I need ideas on how to load up the bike. If you have pics 
> of your Rivendell loaded up for a quick tour, post 'em here!
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[RBW] Re: Show me your touring/camping setup!

[Deacon Patrick]

So many options, depending on gear. My suggestion is gather together what 
you are taking and pack it and ride it, even for a short ride. You'll learn 
a LOT. Including taking only what you need, and absolutely want, to have to 
enjoy and be warm and dry and fed and hydrated. In short, don't over think 
it. Your next trip you will try new things.

Basic rules of any load apply: loads effect handling (different for every 
person it seems). You may prefer front load, read load, or balanced. 
Heavier/denser items low and toward the center line. I prefer weight low in 
rear panniers, tent/sleeping bag/pad on top of rear rack. I put food in my 
wee trunk sack in front to give balance to handling. Irish straps are your 
friend.

Keep items you may want during the ride on the outside/easily accessible. 
Likely this means rain jacket, map(s), food.

Enjoy! Let us know how it goes!

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, August 21, 2017 at 1:57:57 PM UTC-6, John G. wrote:
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> It looks like I'll be taking my Atlantis on a quick 2-night tour in the 
> next few days. I'll be camping instead of staying in hotels. I haven't bike 
> camped before, so I need ideas on how to load up the bike. If you have pics 
> of your Rivendell loaded up for a quick tour, post 'em here!
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