[RBW] Re: SimpleQuickOneBeam Project - Blue Sky Features - What would you like to see?
Everything Gabe and Phillip said. Justin's mixte idea is a compelling option, I must say. That being said, I enjoy my QB tremendously and will likely wait and see if its some kind of different bomber. Esteban San Diego, Calif. On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 9:28:12 AM UTC-8, Cyclofiend Jim wrote: I guess this is a type of Entmoot - we're discussing features on a bike that might not be built, but one which is the evolution of the Quickbeam and SimpleOne. The impetus for this thread has branched from Grant Petersen's comments in this thread - https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/QhzO4CFyz1U - in which I was volunteered to wrangle discussion of and interest in the project. Basically, if 30 individuals are interested in committing, this could come to pass. No promises, of course. Here are the guidelines for this thread: - State clearly what you would like to see. - Give a specific reason why. Since this is a Brainstorming thread, let's keep the focus on encouraging creative thought: - No negative comments. If you think an idea is stupid, bite your tongue (or quell your keyboard) and come up with a better one. - No discussion about whether something would or would not work. Each idea may also spur a more functional insight in someone else's brain. This (hopefully) is not an empirical discussion. If you have a Quickbeam or SimpleOne and really like a certain aspect of the frame design, or if you didn't buy one because of a specific issue, this is the place to talk about that. The goal is to recognize valued features and uncover hidden possibilities. All of which or none of which might be incorporated into the final design. For example - I have an orange series. It does not have seat stay threads for a rear rack. This has always bothered me as I have a Mark's Rack on my Hilsen and would love to be able to run a dual rack setup without resorting to P-Clamps. (This was corrected in the SimpleOne.) - or - Would it matter if it had a derailleur hanger? Would you want it optimized for upright bars? Would a kickstand plate be a dealbreaker? Would it absolutely have to be a 584/650B capable of accepting super wide tires? Or a 622/700C capabler of mounting your favorite 29er mondo tire? OK? Thanks in advance and enjoy the ride! - Jim / cyclo...@gmail.com javascript: -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: SimpleQuickOneBeam Project - Blue Sky Features - What would you like to see?
I would have bought a SimpleOne except the bike did not come in my size79 PBH and I found Rivendell right when the Quickbeam was discontinued. I would like to see a bike basically like the SimpleOne but in Rambouillet orange with a cream headtube and the braze-ons for a rear rack. I would like a really kick butt headtube badge and a different name couldn't hurt. In my size I would go for 700c wheels or 650 b, but if it was 650 b I would want it to be able to fit Hetres with fenders. Brakes, I really don't care but if it was seriously wide tires, canti posts make sense. I need a nice curvy fork. I don't like the fork on the Soma San Marcos. If it came out like that, I would most certainly buy one. On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 11:28:12 AM UTC-6, Cyclofiend Jim wrote: I guess this is a type of Entmoot - we're discussing features on a bike that might not be built, but one which is the evolution of the Quickbeam and SimpleOne. The impetus for this thread has branched from Grant Petersen's comments in this thread - https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/QhzO4CFyz1U - in which I was volunteered to wrangle discussion of and interest in the project. Basically, if 30 individuals are interested in committing, this could come to pass. No promises, of course. Here are the guidelines for this thread: - State clearly what you would like to see. - Give a specific reason why. Since this is a Brainstorming thread, let's keep the focus on encouraging creative thought: - No negative comments. If you think an idea is stupid, bite your tongue (or quell your keyboard) and come up with a better one. - No discussion about whether something would or would not work. Each idea may also spur a more functional insight in someone else's brain. This (hopefully) is not an empirical discussion. If you have a Quickbeam or SimpleOne and really like a certain aspect of the frame design, or if you didn't buy one because of a specific issue, this is the place to talk about that. The goal is to recognize valued features and uncover hidden possibilities. All of which or none of which might be incorporated into the final design. For example - I have an orange series. It does not have seat stay threads for a rear rack. This has always bothered me as I have a Mark's Rack on my Hilsen and would love to be able to run a dual rack setup without resorting to P-Clamps. (This was corrected in the SimpleOne.) - or - Would it matter if it had a derailleur hanger? Would you want it optimized for upright bars? Would a kickstand plate be a dealbreaker? Would it absolutely have to be a 584/650B capable of accepting super wide tires? Or a 622/700C capabler of mounting your favorite 29er mondo tire? OK? Thanks in advance and enjoy the ride! - Jim / cyclo...@gmail.com javascript: -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: SimpleQuickOneBeam Project - Blue Sky Features - What would you like to see?
I miss my Orange series Quickbeam and would love to be able to replace it! Things I would change, though would not be a deal-killer; Rear Dropouts; Forward facing horizontal, something along the lines of a long Campy 1010 without a derailleur hanger. Forward facing because it may facilitate easier wheel removal with fenders mounted. Aesthetically, they might be more pleasing than the big steel plates that were used :) Keep: Geometry, drop bars, single top tube, cantilever brake mounts. I like the name SimpleOne more than Quickbeam perhaps because I don't consider myself very quick and prefer to have a simple bike. No need for 4-speed, flip/flop, two chainring setup. A single ring up front would be fine for me... I was very much a fixed gear, seasonal gear changer and have no need nor desire for on the road gear switch. Even with one mechanical ratio, there are always 3 options; Sit, Stand, and walk :) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: SimpleQuickOneBeam Project - Blue Sky Features - What would you like to see?
Whenever I see a singlespeed with a 1010 style dropout, I see a conversion. I don't know if I would want my $1200 singlespeed frameset to look like a conversion. Maybe I shouldn't care so much about what people think. Anyway, there's probably zero chance that there's a new dropout in the works, and in my opinion the regular Quickeam dropout is awesome. On Sunday, December 1, 2013 7:00:58 AM UTC-8, Ken Yokanovich wrote: I miss my Orange series Quickbeam and would love to be able to replace it! Things I would change, though would not be a deal-killer; Rear Dropouts; Forward facing horizontal, something along the lines of a long Campy 1010 without a derailleur hanger. Forward facing because it may facilitate easier wheel removal with fenders mounted. Aesthetically, they might be more pleasing than the big steel plates that were used :) Keep: Geometry, drop bars, single top tube, cantilever brake mounts. I like the name SimpleOne more than Quickbeam perhaps because I don't consider myself very quick and prefer to have a simple bike. No need for 4-speed, flip/flop, two chainring setup. A single ring up front would be fine for me... I was very much a fixed gear, seasonal gear changer and have no need nor desire for on the road gear switch. Even with one mechanical ratio, there are always 3 options; Sit, Stand, and walk :) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: SimpleQuickOneBeam Project - Blue Sky Features - What would you like to see?
When you convert using Campy 1010s, you have decidedly upgraded your bike. Patrick Moore, whose $3,500 custom frameset (OK, OK, it wasn't that much back in 2003) was professionally converted to 1010s by Dave Porter in ABQ, NM. On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 10:15 AM, Bill Lindsay tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: Whenever I see a singlespeed with a 1010 style dropout, I see a conversion. I don't know if I would want my $1200 singlespeed frameset to look like a conversion. Maybe I shouldn't care so much about what people think. -- *RESUMES THAT GET YOU NOTICED!* Certified Resume Writer http://resumespecialties.com/index.html patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Albuquerque, NM -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: SimpleQuickOneBeam Project - Blue Sky Features - What would you like to see?
hahahaha, decidedly the best application for that type dropout is on a singlespeed -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: SimpleQuickOneBeam Project - Blue Sky Features - What would you like to see?
hahahaha, decidedly the best application for that type dropout is on a singlespeed -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: SimpleQuickOneBeam Project - Blue Sky Features - What would you like to see?
hahahaha, decidedly the best application for that type dropout is on a singlespeed -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: SimpleQuickOneBeam Project - Blue Sky Features - What would you like to see?
hahahaha, decidedly the best application for that type dropout is on a singlespeed -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: SimpleQuickOneBeam Project - Blue Sky Features - What would you like to see?
hahahaha, decidedly the best application for that type dropout is on a singlespeed -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: SimpleQuickOneBeam Project - Blue Sky Features - What would you like to see?
I hate to steer the topic from lugged steel waterpipes, but I did just acquire a track rear hub. So, back to the list of requests, I'd like it to remain 120mm in back. On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 9:28:12 AM UTC-8, Cyclofiend Jim wrote: I guess this is a type of Entmoot - we're discussing features on a bike that might not be built, but one which is the evolution of the Quickbeam and SimpleOne. The impetus for this thread has branched from Grant Petersen's comments in this thread - https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/QhzO4CFyz1U - in which I was volunteered to wrangle discussion of and interest in the project. Basically, if 30 individuals are interested in committing, this could come to pass. No promises, of course. Here are the guidelines for this thread: - State clearly what you would like to see. - Give a specific reason why. Since this is a Brainstorming thread, let's keep the focus on encouraging creative thought: - No negative comments. If you think an idea is stupid, bite your tongue (or quell your keyboard) and come up with a better one. - No discussion about whether something would or would not work. Each idea may also spur a more functional insight in someone else's brain. This (hopefully) is not an empirical discussion. If you have a Quickbeam or SimpleOne and really like a certain aspect of the frame design, or if you didn't buy one because of a specific issue, this is the place to talk about that. The goal is to recognize valued features and uncover hidden possibilities. All of which or none of which might be incorporated into the final design. For example - I have an orange series. It does not have seat stay threads for a rear rack. This has always bothered me as I have a Mark's Rack on my Hilsen and would love to be able to run a dual rack setup without resorting to P-Clamps. (This was corrected in the SimpleOne.) - or - Would it matter if it had a derailleur hanger? Would you want it optimized for upright bars? Would a kickstand plate be a dealbreaker? Would it absolutely have to be a 584/650B capable of accepting super wide tires? Or a 622/700C capabler of mounting your favorite 29er mondo tire? OK? Thanks in advance and enjoy the ride! - Jim / cyclo...@gmail.com javascript: -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: SimpleQuickOneBeam Project - Blue Sky Features - What would you like to see?
Make it a mixte and I'll have two on order. -Justin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: SimpleQuickOneBeam Project - Blue Sky Features - What would you like to see?
Hmm, SimpleQuickOne... some buyers may not get what they expect! (Sorry, couldn't resist.) Tom -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: SimpleQuickOneBeam Project - Blue Sky Features - What would you like to see?
Reality Check - Dreamers - Dilusional - good drugs and not sharing (you know who you are) - just my observation on the postings for this thread... But fun none the less.. Please continue. :) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: SimpleQuickOneBeam Project - Blue Sky Features - What would you like to see?
Och! I'm a theologian, Kelly. We're naturally that way. Grin. Well, that and the body's natural caniboids produced during long biking and running. Grin. With abandon, Patrick On Friday, November 29, 2013 10:26:32 AM UTC-7, Kelly wrote: Reality Check - Dreamers - Dilusional - good drugs and not sharing (you know who you are) - just my observation on the postings for this thread... But fun none the less.. Please continue. :) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: SimpleQuickOneBeam Project - Blue Sky Features - What would you like to see?
Did someone say cannabinoid??? On 11/29/13, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote: Och! I'm a theologian, Kelly. We're naturally that way. Grin. Well, that and the body's natural caniboids produced during long biking and running. Grin. With abandon, Patrick On Friday, November 29, 2013 10:26:32 AM UTC-7, Kelly wrote: Reality Check - Dreamers - Dilusional - good drugs and not sharing (you know who you are) - just my observation on the postings for this thread... But fun none the less.. Please continue. :) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Cheers, David it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: SimpleQuickOneBeam Project - Blue Sky Features - What would you like to see?
On 11/29/2013 04:59 PM, cyclotourist wrote: Did someone say cannabinoid??? On 11/29/13, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote: Och! I'm a theologian, Kelly. We're naturally that way. Grin. Well, that and the body's natural caniboids produced during long biking and running. Grin. I think he meant endorphins. I suspect auto-correct has been having its wicked way with our Deacon Patrick again... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endorphins -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: SimpleQuickOneBeam Project - Blue Sky Features - What would you like to see?
Uh hu. Missed a syllable though. Clearly I've been running and biking a LOT. Grin. http://www.runnersworld.com/running-tips/getting-high-endocannabinoids With abandon, Patrick On Friday, November 29, 2013 2:59:04 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: Did someone say cannabinoid??? On 11/29/13, Deacon Patrick lamon...@mac.com javascript: wrote: Och! I'm a theologian, Kelly. We're naturally that way. Grin. Well, that and the body's natural caniboids produced during long biking and running. Grin. With abandon, Patrick On Friday, November 29, 2013 10:26:32 AM UTC-7, Kelly wrote: Reality Check - Dreamers - Dilusional - good drugs and not sharing (you know who you are) - just my observation on the postings for this thread... But fun none the less.. Please continue. :) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Cheers, David it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: SimpleQuickOneBeam Project - Blue Sky Features - What would you like to see?
And here is why I care (exercise being the body's natural way to get cannabinoids it sure seems safer than lighting up): http://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=117202 With abandon, Patrick On Friday, November 29, 2013 3:11:56 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote: Uh hu. Missed a syllable though. Clearly I've been running and biking a LOT. Grin. http://www.runnersworld.com/running-tips/getting-high-endocannabinoids With abandon, Patrick On Friday, November 29, 2013 2:59:04 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: Did someone say cannabinoid??? On 11/29/13, Deacon Patrick lamon...@mac.com wrote: Och! I'm a theologian, Kelly. We're naturally that way. Grin. Well, that and the body's natural caniboids produced during long biking and running. Grin. With abandon, Patrick On Friday, November 29, 2013 10:26:32 AM UTC-7, Kelly wrote: Reality Check - Dreamers - Dilusional - good drugs and not sharing (you know who you are) - just my observation on the postings for this thread... But fun none the less.. Please continue. :) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Cheers, David it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: SimpleQuickOneBeam Project - Blue Sky Features - What would you like to see?
Says the man with the pipe... :-) It's just Shire Sweatleaf... On 11/29/13, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote: And here is why I care (exercise being the body's natural way to get cannabinoids it sure seems safer than lighting up): http://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=117202 With abandon, Patrick On Friday, November 29, 2013 3:11:56 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote: Uh hu. Missed a syllable though. Clearly I've been running and biking a LOT. Grin. http://www.runnersworld.com/running-tips/getting-high-endocannabinoids With abandon, Patrick On Friday, November 29, 2013 2:59:04 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: Did someone say cannabinoid??? On 11/29/13, Deacon Patrick lamon...@mac.com wrote: Och! I'm a theologian, Kelly. We're naturally that way. Grin. Well, that and the body's natural caniboids produced during long biking and running. Grin. With abandon, Patrick On Friday, November 29, 2013 10:26:32 AM UTC-7, Kelly wrote: Reality Check - Dreamers - Dilusional - good drugs and not sharing (you know who you are) - just my observation on the postings for this thread... But fun none the less.. Please continue. :) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Cheers, David it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Cheers, David it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: SimpleQuickOneBeam Project - Blue Sky Features - What would you like to see?
Cannabinoids is what I meant, Steve. Did you check out the links in my two previous posts? Our body produces them during exercise (along with endorphins) and they help prevent brain injury and help heal brain injury in mice. With abandon, Patrick On Friday, November 29, 2013 3:10:48 PM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote: On 11/29/2013 04:59 PM, cyclotourist wrote: Did someone say cannabinoid??? On 11/29/13, Deacon Patrick lamon...@mac.com javascript: wrote: Och! I'm a theologian, Kelly. We're naturally that way. Grin. Well, that and the body's natural caniboids produced during long biking and running. Grin. I think he meant endorphins. I suspect auto-correct has been having its wicked way with our Deacon Patrick again... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endorphins -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: SimpleQuickOneBeam Project - Blue Sky Features - What would you like to see?
Wait - the frame is going to double as a bong? Sold. -Justin, -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: SimpleQuickOneBeam Project - Blue Sky Features - What would you like to see?
Only when you ride it, Justin. Only when you ride it. With abandon, Patrick On Friday, November 29, 2013 6:38:01 PM UTC-7, justin...@gmail.com wrote: Wait - the frame is going to double as a bong? Sold. -Justin, -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: SimpleQuickOneBeam Project - Blue Sky Features - What would you like to see?
That is a lugged bong .. Or so I heard -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: SimpleQuickOneBeam Project - Blue Sky Features - What would you like to see?
It needs double tubes if I am going to erm... Ride it On Nov 29, 2013 10:06 PM, Kelly tkslee...@gmail.com wrote: That is a lugged bong .. Or so I heard -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: SimpleQuickOneBeam Project - Blue Sky Features - What would you like to see?
#s 2 and 9 not met, but I made a wonderful all rounder fixie and ss out of a 1990 or so DB Axis Team with Eno, 63 or 65 gear, and 60 mm Big Apples; the frame had room for the 60s and fenders with room to spare, and braze ons for a rear rack. I'm not a rack fanatic myself, liking saddlebags for bikes not dedicated to work loads. At any rate, the handling was superb, with the high bb allowing you to pedal around corners comfortably. And of course the BAs handled dirt very well, except for hard cornering on loose stuff. The overall diameter of the wheels was almost 27, about that of a 700CX28. Substitute the now available 26 X 2.40 Furious Freds man, what a ride that would be. On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 9:50 PM, BSWP ashtab...@gmail.com wrote: Jimmy Hutch nails it. I think a simple standard for phat tires is the BG Rock-N-Road, at 43mm. I tried them on my QuickBeam, and they were just too tight for comfort between the chainstays. Open those up just a smidge, and it's there. And an accent colour on the head tube, too, please. Oh, and put the front cable boss for the rear brake in the very center of the top tube, to make a cleaner line for those who run their rear brakes from the left handlebar. - Andrew, Berkeley On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 7:12:15 PM UTC-8, Jimmy Hutch wrote: I'd buy a singlespeed Riv sight unseen as long as it has the following items in order of importance (1-6 are mandatory): 1. No toe overlap in small sizes (I ride 54cm AHH) 2. Pretty. Lugs. Wet paint. Traditional triangle without too much sloop. Gorgeous forks. 3. Fun. Great handling on paved roads and unpaved surfaces. 4. It must handle fatish tires = Hetres, cross country mountain bike tires, etc. 5. With mudguards. You can't reasonable ride a bike in the northwest, northeast, or southeast with proper mudguards. 6. Water bottle holders = 0 is unacceptable. 7. Storage. Racks both front and back. 8. It can easily be run as a fixie. If it can have a derailleur hanger too, bring it. It needs a broadish audience. 9. I'd be even more interested if I knew it would be limited to a single run! Peace. -Jimmy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- *RESUMES THAT GET YOU NOTICED!* Certified Resume Writer http://resumespecialties.com/index.html patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Albuquerque, NM -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: SimpleQuickOneBeam Project - Blue Sky Features - What would you like to see?
Agree Bobby. I ride a Jones w. a 3 Knard 29 front and 2.4 rear for mtn. and for the road the awesome Schwalbe Super Motos @ 29x2.3. I can really fly on the road in comfort. I sit up very high w. these big tires. This bike is also equipped w. a Rohloff. Best bike I have ever owned. Mid fat is getting popular. On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 4:09:26 PM UTC-5, Montclair BobbyB wrote: Ah, and if you could only name it Gimli... I was thinking something like a Surly Pugsley (or more specifically, the 29er Krampus, with its 3 inch tires), but thought that might be too audacious an idea. IF Grant would ever consider such a beast, I hope he would also strongly consider giving it disc brakes and curved fork blades, not something you see very often (other than the Willits Wow fork)... that would certainly turn heads and make for an awesome ride... BB On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 12:40:50 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote: I would be amazingly interested in a rough and tumble fattier (3) bike with low gearing (at least as low as my current gearing can go, so smallest chainring to 32 (but ideally 36, then swap rear cog and shift front for my fast riding option) for snow and trail, mountain riding. If this miraculously becomes that, I'm absolutely in. With abandon, Patrick On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 10:28:12 AM UTC-7, Cyclofiend Jim wrote: I guess this is a type of Entmoot - we're discussing features on a bike that might not be built, but one which is the evolution of the Quickbeam and SimpleOne. The impetus for this thread has branched from Grant Petersen's comments in this thread - https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/QhzO4CFyz1U - in which I was volunteered to wrangle discussion of and interest in the project. Basically, if 30 individuals are interested in committing, this could come to pass. No promises, of course. Here are the guidelines for this thread: - State clearly what you would like to see. - Give a specific reason why. Since this is a Brainstorming thread, let's keep the focus on encouraging creative thought: - No negative comments. If you think an idea is stupid, bite your tongue (or quell your keyboard) and come up with a better one. - No discussion about whether something would or would not work. Each idea may also spur a more functional insight in someone else's brain. This (hopefully) is not an empirical discussion. If you have a Quickbeam or SimpleOne and really like a certain aspect of the frame design, or if you didn't buy one because of a specific issue, this is the place to talk about that. The goal is to recognize valued features and uncover hidden possibilities. All of which or none of which might be incorporated into the final design. For example - I have an orange series. It does not have seat stay threads for a rear rack. This has always bothered me as I have a Mark's Rack on my Hilsen and would love to be able to run a dual rack setup without resorting to P-Clamps. (This was corrected in the SimpleOne.) - or - Would it matter if it had a derailleur hanger? Would you want it optimized for upright bars? Would a kickstand plate be a dealbreaker? Would it absolutely have to be a 584/650B capable of accepting super wide tires? Or a 622/700C capabler of mounting your favorite 29er mondo tire? OK? Thanks in advance and enjoy the ride! - Jim / cyclo...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: SimpleQuickOneBeam Project - Blue Sky Features - What would you like to see?
Wow. It sure is hard to please a crowd. Color: I like em rich and dark. Others don't. Cream head tube: I like mono color. Tire size: like the Sprats, some ride only fat, others only lean. Brakes: phew! At least it is 50/50 here. Unless you add some dedicated center pull fans. Something that would attract me would be simpler in most ways: Simple drive: fixed Simple color: mono Simple brakes: one side pull up front Simple tires: 30-38mm But a couple braze ons for racks and fenders! I guess I just want a (fairly) Simple one! I am enjoying hearing all the diverse opinions and learning my own preferences. Edwin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: SimpleQuickOneBeam Project - Blue Sky Features - What would you like to see?
Wow... that's one cool ride... got any pics? What rims are you running for the Knards? On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 7:11:47 AM UTC-5, hobie wrote: Agree Bobby. I ride a Jones w. a 3 Knard 29 front and 2.4 rear for mtn. and for the road the awesome Schwalbe Super Motos @ 29x2.3. I can really fly on the road in comfort. I sit up very high w. these big tires. This bike is also equipped w. a Rohloff. Best bike I have ever owned. Mid fat is getting popular. On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 4:09:26 PM UTC-5, Montclair BobbyB wrote: Ah, and if you could only name it Gimli... I was thinking something like a Surly Pugsley (or more specifically, the 29er Krampus, with its 3 inch tires), but thought that might be too audacious an idea. IF Grant would ever consider such a beast, I hope he would also strongly consider giving it disc brakes and curved fork blades, not something you see very often (other than the Willits Wow fork)... that would certainly turn heads and make for an awesome ride... BB On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 12:40:50 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote: I would be amazingly interested in a rough and tumble fattier (3) bike with low gearing (at least as low as my current gearing can go, so smallest chainring to 32 (but ideally 36, then swap rear cog and shift front for my fast riding option) for snow and trail, mountain riding. If this miraculously becomes that, I'm absolutely in. With abandon, Patrick On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 10:28:12 AM UTC-7, Cyclofiend Jim wrote: I guess this is a type of Entmoot - we're discussing features on a bike that might not be built, but one which is the evolution of the Quickbeam and SimpleOne. The impetus for this thread has branched from Grant Petersen's comments in this thread - https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/QhzO4CFyz1U - in which I was volunteered to wrangle discussion of and interest in the project. Basically, if 30 individuals are interested in committing, this could come to pass. No promises, of course. Here are the guidelines for this thread: - State clearly what you would like to see. - Give a specific reason why. Since this is a Brainstorming thread, let's keep the focus on encouraging creative thought: - No negative comments. If you think an idea is stupid, bite your tongue (or quell your keyboard) and come up with a better one. - No discussion about whether something would or would not work. Each idea may also spur a more functional insight in someone else's brain. This (hopefully) is not an empirical discussion. If you have a Quickbeam or SimpleOne and really like a certain aspect of the frame design, or if you didn't buy one because of a specific issue, this is the place to talk about that. The goal is to recognize valued features and uncover hidden possibilities. All of which or none of which might be incorporated into the final design. For example - I have an orange series. It does not have seat stay threads for a rear rack. This has always bothered me as I have a Mark's Rack on my Hilsen and would love to be able to run a dual rack setup without resorting to P-Clamps. (This was corrected in the SimpleOne.) - or - Would it matter if it had a derailleur hanger? Would you want it optimized for upright bars? Would a kickstand plate be a dealbreaker? Would it absolutely have to be a 584/650B capable of accepting super wide tires? Or a 622/700C capabler of mounting your favorite 29er mondo tire? OK? Thanks in advance and enjoy the ride! - Jim / cyclo...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: SimpleQuickOneBeam Project - Blue Sky Features - What would you like to see?
I would like to see a sort of Roadeo-like evolution to QuickBeam: lightweight tubing, single fender eyebolts, hidden rear rack mount braze-ons (threaded holes) inside seatstays, no fork rack eyelets. Canti brakes that support Nitto M12 front rack, which to my eyes look a lot nicer than the alternatives. Here is where I am coming from: I have a canti-rom and 2 fixed gear bikes, and a single-speed (in addition to others). Canti-rom looks and rides great but is geared, Bob Jackson road geometry track bike is good for fast brevets in good weather, but does not support fenders. Raleigh fixed conversion is my commute bike; rack and fenders, generator light, decent but nothing special. I also have a Beloved custom with QB style dropouts; huge clearance for tires, canti brakes, 135mm spacing. Good for gravel, but bottom bracket is a little too low for fixed gear. The right bike could replace the three fg/ss bikes. I am seriously interested, but would like one sooner than a year from now. On a related note, I would be interested in a 56cm (or possibly 58cm) QuickBeam and I could buy or trade a canti-rom or Beloved single-speed. Please contact me if interested. --Metin On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 3:00:48 PM UTC-8, joe kelly wrote: hi i have been running my orange quickbeam as a 10 speed for a couple of years now. 120mm 5sp freewhweel in the back, 2 rings up front. 2 deraillers. both clamp on. its just fine as it is, ive never had a problem with the derailler. i kinda like the idea of a $10 derailler on a very expenesive frame anyway. makes it look cheap to theives! anyway the new bike should be a san marcos with quickbeam dropouts and an a homer fork bend. sidepulls of course for simplicity. my 2cents joe On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 12:28:12 PM UTC-5, Cyclofiend Jim wrote: I guess this is a type of Entmoot - we're discussing features on a bike that might not be built, but one which is the evolution of the Quickbeam and SimpleOne. The impetus for this thread has branched from Grant Petersen's comments in this thread - https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/QhzO4CFyz1U - in which I was volunteered to wrangle discussion of and interest in the project. Basically, if 30 individuals are interested in committing, this could come to pass. No promises, of course. Here are the guidelines for this thread: - State clearly what you would like to see. - Give a specific reason why. Since this is a Brainstorming thread, let's keep the focus on encouraging creative thought: - No negative comments. If you think an idea is stupid, bite your tongue (or quell your keyboard) and come up with a better one. - No discussion about whether something would or would not work. Each idea may also spur a more functional insight in someone else's brain. This (hopefully) is not an empirical discussion. If you have a Quickbeam or SimpleOne and really like a certain aspect of the frame design, or if you didn't buy one because of a specific issue, this is the place to talk about that. The goal is to recognize valued features and uncover hidden possibilities. All of which or none of which might be incorporated into the final design. For example - I have an orange series. It does not have seat stay threads for a rear rack. This has always bothered me as I have a Mark's Rack on my Hilsen and would love to be able to run a dual rack setup without resorting to P-Clamps. (This was corrected in the SimpleOne.) - or - Would it matter if it had a derailleur hanger? Would you want it optimized for upright bars? Would a kickstand plate be a dealbreaker? Would it absolutely have to be a 584/650B capable of accepting super wide tires? Or a 622/700C capabler of mounting your favorite 29er mondo tire? OK? Thanks in advance and enjoy the ride! - Jim / cyclo...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: SimpleQuickOneBeam Project - Blue Sky Features - What would you like to see?
Entmoot: love it. In order of importance to me. There is indeed a three-way tie for first place. 1. Cantilever posts: more clearance for wide tires, fenders, detritus. Sidepull/centerpull brake is a deal breaker for me. 1. 135 rear spacing: swappability of wheels across other single-speed capable frames. QB/SO 120 is a deal breaker for me. 2. Braze-ons for Mini Front Rack: prefer entirely solid rack to untighten-able racks like Mark's or Top. Fewer connection points to double-check. Likely depends on brake specification, so neutral as to deal-breaking or not. 3. Kickstand plate: useful for 2.5- to 3-season bike rack overcrowding. Lack of kickstand plate not a deal breaker. 4. Tire clearance for true 45mm: useful on muddy gravel and dirt roads hereabouts. Not a deal breaker; I could make do with Sam-like or QB/SO clearances. 5. QB/SO-style rear dropouts: easier (for me) to keep the wheel centered and the chain tensioned. Despite fender interference, I would prefer these to forward-facing dropouts, which have caused me considerable aggravation. Not a deal breaker, as the aggravation is likely due to operator error as much as dropout orientation. -- Bob -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: SimpleQuickOneBeam Project - Blue Sky Features - What would you like to see?
I've been hankering after a single speed for while, after throwing together one of the $100 Ronald McDonald bikes from Walmarthttp://www.walmart.com/ip/Thruster-700C-Men-s-Fixie-Bike-Black-Red/23810254 (the colors have improved from red/yellow/black to just red/black in the link) as a beater bike for my youngest teen. Given that this is already an n+1(or s-1) household, I've been taking my time with the research and there are a few ideas that I've seen which I'd love to see transferred into a Rivendell Single/Fixed frame offering. Firstly, the ability to change between single, geared, belt or chain drives as well as an option for discs - the only frame I've seen that does this is: the Speedhound Only One http://speedhoundbikes.com/sds/ and this is accomplished by using a very clever replaceable dropout system. The replaceable dropouts also appear to allow for flexibility of the rear spacing from 120 to 135, depending on the inserts really opens the field for wheel/hub choice. Second, a reinforced steel 1-1/8 front fork with disc mounts AND removable canti-studs AS well as being drilled for a regular caliper - allowing the most choice between braking systems without needing to have an inventory of forks. (Internal routing for a dynamo would be a super nice-to-have) Third, as many potential rack mount eyelets as can be added without destroying structural integrity (ie. no swiss cheese) - I particularly like the top mounts for the front rack on the Geekhound Woodville bikehttp://prollyisnotprobably.com/2013/06/beautiful-bicycle-my-geekhouse-woodville-touring-bike/#4owned by John Watson. 3 bottle mounts would be great too... Fourth, removable cable guides - ala the Fyxation Quiverhttp://www.fyxation.com/collections/framesets/products/quiver-road-frameset which would allow for a cleaner fixed build should I decide to forego the brakes and test-drive my health insurance... I'm not too concerned about color choice, although strong contrasts will show off the lug work nicely - perhaps Klein Bluehttp://www.moma.org/collection/object.php?object_id=80103main tubes with Pale Cream insets ? More important would be the anti-corrosion pre-treatment of the frame (electrostatic ?), as there would be many points of potential water ingress with that many eyelets/bosses. Geometry wise, lowish bottom bracket for additional stability, steep head tube for agility (but not too steep to have my size 10s overlap), longish seat stays for rear cush. Looking for reasonably lively steering response, but stable enough for long distance randonneuring and gravel/firepaths. Clearance for 42s would be great (with or without fenders). I know that weight is somewhat of a non-issue for most Rivsters, but if the frame and fork was on the light side of lbs, that would be spectacular (At any point now, I'll realize that I'm going to have to bring this list and a big check for a custom Riv...) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: SimpleQuickOneBeam Project - Blue Sky Features - What would you like to see?
I would say that a single-TT-canti-Sam with the SO/QB dropouts and just a little more tire clearance would be about perfect. This seems like the obvious design evolution. MUSA would be awesome but not sure doable for $1200. Others would like to see something different but are we really talking about the evolution of the QB/SO or a totally new bike? Cheers! Chris who has an unbuilt SimpleBeam waiting assembly -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: SimpleQuickOneBeam Project - Blue Sky Features - What would you like to see?
I'm proposing a totally new bike. The G.O., in addition to the SO/QB. With abandon, Patrick On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 11:59:56 AM UTC-7, Christopher Murray wrote: I would say that a single-TT-canti-Sam with the SO/QB dropouts and just a little more tire clearance would be about perfect. This seems like the obvious design evolution. MUSA would be awesome but not sure doable for $1200. Others would like to see something different but are we really talking about the evolution of the QB/SO or a totally new bike? Cheers! Chris who has an unbuilt SimpleBeam waiting assembly -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: SimpleQuickOneBeam Project - Blue Sky Features - What would you like to see?
Metin: I understand your urge. I love my purely road Riv fixies, but would love a 3d more all rounder fixie -- a fixified Sam Hill might be just right, though come to think of it, if I were to do that, why not a bike that can take at least 50s? Have been drooling over a consigned, as new (except for sitting out on the lot for six months) Monocog Flite 29er ss, exactly my size and fits perfectl as set up, but haven't been willing to spend the $500 the owner wants. (Psst: I will let you onto a very liberating secret: *vertical dropout bikes with brazed on dt shifter bosses and other extraneous metal bits can be modified for fixed or ss use.* That was what Dave Porter did to my '03 custom. *You can cut, hack, saw, twist, file, Dremel, drill, hammer, snip, and otherwise forcibly remove all the braze ons that don't meet your fancy. HAHAHAHAHA!* Seriously, the '03 fixified, converted to derailleur tab-less Campy 1010s, is the bike I ride most, and the conversion job was very well done, down to adding cream accents. On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 4:35 PM, Metin Uz uz.me...@gmail.com wrote: I would like to see a sort of Roadeo-like evolution to QuickBeam: lightweight tubing, single fender eyebolts, hidden rear rack mount braze-ons (threaded holes) inside seatstays, no fork rack eyelets. Canti brakes that support Nitto M12 front rack, which to my eyes look a lot nicer than the alternatives. Here is where I am coming from: I have a canti-rom and 2 fixed gear bikes, and a single-speed (in addition to others). Canti-rom looks and rides great but is geared, Bob Jackson road geometry track bike is good for fast brevets in good weather, but does not support fenders. Raleigh fixed conversion is my commute bike; rack and fenders, generator light, decent but nothing special. I also have a Beloved custom with QB style dropouts; huge clearance for tires, canti brakes, 135mm spacing. Good for gravel, but bottom bracket is a little too low for fixed gear. The right bike could replace the three fg/ss bikes. I am seriously interested, but would like one sooner than a year from now. On a related note, I would be interested in a 56cm (or possibly 58cm) QuickBeam and I could buy or trade a canti-rom or Beloved single-speed. Please contact me if interested. --Metin On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 3:00:48 PM UTC-8, joe kelly wrote: hi i have been running my orange quickbeam as a 10 speed for a couple of years now. 120mm 5sp freewhweel in the back, 2 rings up front. 2 deraillers. both clamp on. its just fine as it is, ive never had a problem with the derailler. i kinda like the idea of a $10 derailler on a very expenesive frame anyway. makes it look cheap to theives! anyway the new bike should be a san marcos with quickbeam dropouts and an a homer fork bend. sidepulls of course for simplicity. my 2cents joe On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 12:28:12 PM UTC-5, Cyclofiend Jim wrote: I guess this is a type of Entmoot - we're discussing features on a bike that might not be built, but one which is the evolution of the Quickbeam and SimpleOne. The impetus for this thread has branched from Grant Petersen's comments in this thread - https://groups.google.com/ forum/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/QhzO4CFyz1U - in which I was volunteered to wrangle discussion of and interest in the project. Basically, if 30 individuals are interested in committing, this could come to pass. No promises, of course. Here are the guidelines for this thread: - State clearly what you would like to see. - Give a specific reason why. Since this is a Brainstorming thread, let's keep the focus on encouraging creative thought: - No negative comments. If you think an idea is stupid, bite your tongue (or quell your keyboard) and come up with a better one. - No discussion about whether something would or would not work. Each idea may also spur a more functional insight in someone else's brain. This (hopefully) is not an empirical discussion. If you have a Quickbeam or SimpleOne and really like a certain aspect of the frame design, or if you didn't buy one because of a specific issue, this is the place to talk about that. The goal is to recognize valued features and uncover hidden possibilities. All of which or none of which might be incorporated into the final design. For example - I have an orange series. It does not have seat stay threads for a rear rack. This has always bothered me as I have a Mark's Rack on my Hilsen and would love to be able to run a dual rack setup without resorting to P-Clamps. (This was corrected in the SimpleOne.) - or - Would it matter if it had a derailleur hanger? Would you want it optimized for upright bars? Would a kickstand plate be a dealbreaker? Would it absolutely have to be a 584/650B capable of accepting super wide tires? Or a 622/700C capabler of mounting your favorite 29er mondo tire? OK? Thanks in advance and enjoy the ride! - Jim / cyclo...@gmail.com
[RBW] Re: SimpleQuickOneBeam Project - Blue Sky Features - What would you like to see?
I would be amazingly interested in a rough and tumble fattier (3) bike with low gearing (at least as low as my current gearing can go, so smallest chainring to 32 (but ideally 36, then swap rear cog and shift front for my fast riding option) for snow and trail, mountain riding. If this miraculously becomes that, I'm absolutely in. With abandon, Patrick On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 10:28:12 AM UTC-7, Cyclofiend Jim wrote: I guess this is a type of Entmoot - we're discussing features on a bike that might not be built, but one which is the evolution of the Quickbeam and SimpleOne. The impetus for this thread has branched from Grant Petersen's comments in this thread - https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/QhzO4CFyz1U - in which I was volunteered to wrangle discussion of and interest in the project. Basically, if 30 individuals are interested in committing, this could come to pass. No promises, of course. Here are the guidelines for this thread: - State clearly what you would like to see. - Give a specific reason why. Since this is a Brainstorming thread, let's keep the focus on encouraging creative thought: - No negative comments. If you think an idea is stupid, bite your tongue (or quell your keyboard) and come up with a better one. - No discussion about whether something would or would not work. Each idea may also spur a more functional insight in someone else's brain. This (hopefully) is not an empirical discussion. If you have a Quickbeam or SimpleOne and really like a certain aspect of the frame design, or if you didn't buy one because of a specific issue, this is the place to talk about that. The goal is to recognize valued features and uncover hidden possibilities. All of which or none of which might be incorporated into the final design. For example - I have an orange series. It does not have seat stay threads for a rear rack. This has always bothered me as I have a Mark's Rack on my Hilsen and would love to be able to run a dual rack setup without resorting to P-Clamps. (This was corrected in the SimpleOne.) - or - Would it matter if it had a derailleur hanger? Would you want it optimized for upright bars? Would a kickstand plate be a dealbreaker? Would it absolutely have to be a 584/650B capable of accepting super wide tires? Or a 622/700C capabler of mounting your favorite 29er mondo tire? OK? Thanks in advance and enjoy the ride! - Jim / cyclo...@gmail.com javascript: -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: SimpleQuickOneBeam Project - Blue Sky Features - What would you like to see?
The Riv folks have really nailed it with the QB/SO and I can't really think of other ways to improve it. It's a great bike with a solid geometry and it looks beautiful. I'm including a list of preferences (colors, brakes, name, brakes, rackability, hubs) that could very well guarantee that I'd pony up the cash to secure one. In no particular order, here are the things that would make the ideal for me: Colors -- bright red, silver, dark silver, sage green, black, Homer blue.cream HT and accents are an absolute must for the $1,200 price tag. Names -- would prefer it to be called a Quickbeam, but I'm not sure if that's possible anymore given legality issues...any other name is perfectly fine Brakes -- I'd really prefer caliper brakes, but cantis are fine as well. I'd never use a tire bigger than 35mm on this bike so calipers are fine Fenders -- Not a big deal to me because I wouldn't use them for this bike Racks -- It would be fantastic to have mid-fork braze-ons so I could attach a Mark's rack Hubs -- Would be great to get another run of the Suzue quick release hubs -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: SimpleQuickOneBeam Project - Blue Sky Features - What would you like to see?
I agree but realize that this is really way out there relative to the subject but blue sky/green field Yes a Riv fitting 3 tires for camping/exploring/fun would be a fursure deal for me too. There are two new tires coming out in this size in 700c so their is a growing market for this kind of bike. ~mike On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 9:40:50 AM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote: I would be amazingly interested in a rough and tumble fattier (3) bike with low gearing (at least as low as my current gearing can go, so smallest chainring to 32 (but ideally 36, then swap rear cog and shift front for my fast riding option) for snow and trail, mountain riding. If this miraculously becomes that, I'm absolutely in. With abandon, Patrick On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 10:28:12 AM UTC-7, Cyclofiend Jim wrote: I guess this is a type of Entmoot - we're discussing features on a bike that might not be built, but one which is the evolution of the Quickbeam and SimpleOne. The impetus for this thread has branched from Grant Petersen's comments in this thread - https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/QhzO4CFyz1U - in which I was volunteered to wrangle discussion of and interest in the project. Basically, if 30 individuals are interested in committing, this could come to pass. No promises, of course. Here are the guidelines for this thread: - State clearly what you would like to see. - Give a specific reason why. Since this is a Brainstorming thread, let's keep the focus on encouraging creative thought: - No negative comments. If you think an idea is stupid, bite your tongue (or quell your keyboard) and come up with a better one. - No discussion about whether something would or would not work. Each idea may also spur a more functional insight in someone else's brain. This (hopefully) is not an empirical discussion. If you have a Quickbeam or SimpleOne and really like a certain aspect of the frame design, or if you didn't buy one because of a specific issue, this is the place to talk about that. The goal is to recognize valued features and uncover hidden possibilities. All of which or none of which might be incorporated into the final design. For example - I have an orange series. It does not have seat stay threads for a rear rack. This has always bothered me as I have a Mark's Rack on my Hilsen and would love to be able to run a dual rack setup without resorting to P-Clamps. (This was corrected in the SimpleOne.) - or - Would it matter if it had a derailleur hanger? Would you want it optimized for upright bars? Would a kickstand plate be a dealbreaker? Would it absolutely have to be a 584/650B capable of accepting super wide tires? Or a 622/700C capabler of mounting your favorite 29er mondo tire? OK? Thanks in advance and enjoy the ride! - Jim / cyclo...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: SimpleQuickOneBeam Project - Blue Sky Features - What would you like to see?
Heck, this is easy for me: I'm short, just shy of 5'8 and while I can't remember my PBH I do know that I fit beautifully on Riv 650b 54cm 55cm frames. The S/O simply wasn't sized small enough for me and therefor, I don't own one. I'd ask that GP stick to the simple tried-and-true geometry of the previous iterations (no sloping top tubes, please) and make a 650b 54cm or 55cm frame. Mind you, I wouldn't balk at a 700c only model if it fit. If that happens, then I'm going to be in big trouble around the house … *(but it will be worth it*) !!! On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 12:28:12 PM UTC-5, Cyclofiend Jim wrote: I guess this is a type of Entmoot - we're discussing features on a bike that might not be built, but one which is the evolution of the Quickbeam and SimpleOne. The impetus for this thread has branched from Grant Petersen's comments in this thread - https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/QhzO4CFyz1U - in which I was volunteered to wrangle discussion of and interest in the project. Basically, if 30 individuals are interested in committing, this could come to pass. No promises, of course. Here are the guidelines for this thread: - State clearly what you would like to see. - Give a specific reason why. Since this is a Brainstorming thread, let's keep the focus on encouraging creative thought: - No negative comments. If you think an idea is stupid, bite your tongue (or quell your keyboard) and come up with a better one. - No discussion about whether something would or would not work. Each idea may also spur a more functional insight in someone else's brain. This (hopefully) is not an empirical discussion. If you have a Quickbeam or SimpleOne and really like a certain aspect of the frame design, or if you didn't buy one because of a specific issue, this is the place to talk about that. The goal is to recognize valued features and uncover hidden possibilities. All of which or none of which might be incorporated into the final design. For example - I have an orange series. It does not have seat stay threads for a rear rack. This has always bothered me as I have a Mark's Rack on my Hilsen and would love to be able to run a dual rack setup without resorting to P-Clamps. (This was corrected in the SimpleOne.) - or - Would it matter if it had a derailleur hanger? Would you want it optimized for upright bars? Would a kickstand plate be a dealbreaker? Would it absolutely have to be a 584/650B capable of accepting super wide tires? Or a 622/700C capabler of mounting your favorite 29er mondo tire? OK? Thanks in advance and enjoy the ride! - Jim / cyclo...@gmail.com javascript: -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: SimpleQuickOneBeam Project - Blue Sky Features - What would you like to see?
I am not sure if I would be able to commit to a frame, but I do have some general ideas and opinions. I would basically keep the SO/QB the same in terms of general geo and specs. At it's core it is a very good design and concept that is actually pretty hard to find in the bike world. Changes or things I would like to see: 1-foreward facing horizontal dropouts without a derailleur hanger. -the reason for this is that it replicates the current dropouts on the simple one/quickbeam allowing for easy gear changes, and allows for easy fender setup/fenderlines and wheel removal. The rear facing horizontal drops are cool in theory, but it was the main dealbreaker for me because it made wheel removal and movement with fenders such a PITA. No derailleur hanger, because it is unappealing aesthetically and concept wise, plus these kind of bikes never shift that well unless the wheel is all the way forward in the DO slot. BTW, I am speaking mainly of rear facing DO's with hangers. Even horizontal DO's with hangers need the wheel as far forward as possible for quick shifting. 2-More tire clearance with fenders. -Maybe up to a 45mm with fenders and 10mm of clearance at stays and fork blades with fenders on. 3-equaldistant bridges for easy and secure fender mounting. The seatstay bridge should have a threaded boss facing the rear axle. Even bolting plastic fenders makes them more secure than just using the slide clamp. 4-Canti/linear pull brake bosses. -Keeping in line with the original QB and SO concept. Better tire, fender, and mud clearances than the silver sidepulls. It also allows for more variation and choice in specing the bike out. You are not locked into just using the silver big mouth brakes. Same goes for centerpulls, limited options. 5-brake cable stops at 11 o'clock, or 1 o'clock on the TT. This will make shouldering the bike comfortable. You won't have the stops digging into your shoulder, or you don't have to think about repositioning the bike when carrying it on your shoulder. This can make the frame better for urban use, plus dirt riding. What I would like to not see. 1-No double TT's except on the bigger sizes (62cm plus). A double TT doesn't really add anything structurally IMHO except on the bigger frames (62cm+), and only when the frame is built using either standard diameter tubing or very thin wall tubing. Unless one of the main design concepts for the frame/fork is to be a single speed mtn touring bike, or a go fast bike, then it wont be built using either of the afore mentioned tubing styles, thus negating the need for the double TT. Aesthetically a double TT just makes the frame look cluttered, my personal opinion. I see the double TT to mainly be a marketing/brand identifier now, one which I don't think Riv needs anyway, again my personal opinion. 2-No kickstand plate. Again a personal preference. In my urban/suburban riding I have never found the need for a kickstand. Leaning the bike on poles, meters, bike parking, walls, fences, trees, bushes, etc. has always been sufficient. When in my apartment, bikes are hung up or leaned against a wall. When touring and riding in the wilderness I have not found kickstands to be a benefit. More often than not the kickstand sinks into the ground destabilizing the bike. Or the loads on the bike destabilize the bike negating the kickstand. 3-No extra brazons -single rear eyelets, rear seatstay eyelets, double fork tip, midfork, TT cable stops. No shifter bosses or other extra cable stops or brazeons. Though a design by committee approach can be a dangerous thing, it can also be exciting. I look forward to hearing what others think, and ultimately what Riv and Grant design and brings to light. Gabe On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 9:28:12 AM UTC-8, Cyclofiend Jim wrote: I guess this is a type of Entmoot - we're discussing features on a bike that might not be built, but one which is the evolution of the Quickbeam and SimpleOne. The impetus for this thread has branched from Grant Petersen's comments in this thread - https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/QhzO4CFyz1U - in which I was volunteered to wrangle discussion of and interest in the project. Basically, if 30 individuals are interested in committing, this could come to pass. No promises, of course. Here are the guidelines for this thread: - State clearly what you would like to see. - Give a specific reason why. Since this is a Brainstorming thread, let's keep the focus on encouraging creative thought: - No negative comments. If you think an idea is stupid, bite your tongue (or quell your keyboard) and come up with a better one. - No discussion about whether something would or would not work. Each idea may also spur a more functional insight in someone else's brain. This (hopefully) is not an empirical discussion. If you have a
Re: [RBW] Re: SimpleQuickOneBeam Project - Blue Sky Features - What would you like to see?
Well this is a fun Thanksgiving week activity!!! As a QB owner (twice!) I say the bike is perfect as is! Really, just a great riding/handling/usable bike. Now, that said, maybe a touch more tire/mudguard clearance as larger tires are more readily available now then when the QB originally came out. Have it fit Rock n Roads for sure. I'd throw on a kickstand plate (sorry Gabe, I love kickstands!). And barrel-type mid-fork brazeons rather than the tombstone ones that were on the orange models (function fine, look kinda' ugly). That's it! For the 30 early adopters, I say don't worry about anything, it will be a great bike! On 11/26/13, oldmangabe oldmang...@gmail.com wrote: I am not sure if I would be able to commit to a frame, but I do have some general ideas and opinions. I would basically keep the SO/QB the same in terms of general geo and specs. At it's core it is a very good design and concept that is actually pretty hard to find in the bike world. Changes or things I would like to see: 1-foreward facing horizontal dropouts without a derailleur hanger. -the reason for this is that it replicates the current dropouts on the simple one/quickbeam allowing for easy gear changes, and allows for easy fender setup/fenderlines and wheel removal. The rear facing horizontal drops are cool in theory, but it was the main dealbreaker for me because it made wheel removal and movement with fenders such a PITA. No derailleur hanger, because it is unappealing aesthetically and concept wise, plus these kind of bikes never shift that well unless the wheel is all the way forward in the DO slot. BTW, I am speaking mainly of rear facing DO's with hangers. Even horizontal DO's with hangers need the wheel as far forward as possible for quick shifting. 2-More tire clearance with fenders. -Maybe up to a 45mm with fenders and 10mm of clearance at stays and fork blades with fenders on. 3-equaldistant bridges for easy and secure fender mounting. The seatstay bridge should have a threaded boss facing the rear axle. Even bolting plastic fenders makes them more secure than just using the slide clamp. 4-Canti/linear pull brake bosses. -Keeping in line with the original QB and SO concept. Better tire, fender, and mud clearances than the silver sidepulls. It also allows for more variation and choice in specing the bike out. You are not locked into just using the silver big mouth brakes. Same goes for centerpulls, limited options. 5-brake cable stops at 11 o'clock, or 1 o'clock on the TT. This will make shouldering the bike comfortable. You won't have the stops digging into your shoulder, or you don't have to think about repositioning the bike when carrying it on your shoulder. This can make the frame better for urban use, plus dirt riding. What I would like to not see. 1-No double TT's except on the bigger sizes (62cm plus). A double TT doesn't really add anything structurally IMHO except on the bigger frames (62cm+), and only when the frame is built using either standard diameter tubing or very thin wall tubing. Unless one of the main design concepts for the frame/fork is to be a single speed mtn touring bike, or a go fast bike, then it wont be built using either of the afore mentioned tubing styles, thus negating the need for the double TT. Aesthetically a double TT just makes the frame look cluttered, my personal opinion. I see the double TT to mainly be a marketing/brand identifier now, one which I don't think Riv needs anyway, again my personal opinion. 2-No kickstand plate. Again a personal preference. In my urban/suburban riding I have never found the need for a kickstand. Leaning the bike on poles, meters, bike parking, walls, fences, trees, bushes, etc. has always been sufficient. When in my apartment, bikes are hung up or leaned against a wall. When touring and riding in the wilderness I have not found kickstands to be a benefit. More often than not the kickstand sinks into the ground destabilizing the bike. Or the loads on the bike destabilize the bike negating the kickstand. 3-No extra brazons -single rear eyelets, rear seatstay eyelets, double fork tip, midfork, TT cable stops. No shifter bosses or other extra cable stops or brazeons. Though a design by committee approach can be a dangerous thing, it can also be exciting. I look forward to hearing what others think, and ultimately what Riv and Grant design and brings to light. Gabe On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 9:28:12 AM UTC-8, Cyclofiend Jim wrote: I guess this is a type of Entmoot - we're discussing features on a bike that might not be built, but one which is the evolution of the Quickbeam and SimpleOne. The impetus for this thread has branched from Grant Petersen's comments in this thread - https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/QhzO4CFyz1U - in which I was volunteered to wrangle discussion of and interest in the
Re: [RBW] Re: SimpleQuickOneBeam Project - Blue Sky Features - What would you like to see?
David I think you nailed it. A Rock-n-Road version of the Quickbeam would be perfecto. Also, just tell Gabe that it's a fender mount plate, and he'll never know. A kickstand plate is probably the cheapest and easiest way to get a fender attach point down there. The only practical downside to a kickstand plate is that it's a mudcatcher. But if you are running fenders, it's not a mudcatcher. On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 11:15:45 AM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: Well this is a fun Thanksgiving week activity!!! As a QB owner (twice!) I say the bike is perfect as is! Really, just a great riding/handling/usable bike. Now, that said, maybe a touch more tire/mudguard clearance as larger tires are more readily available now then when the QB originally came out. Have it fit Rock n Roads for sure. I'd throw on a kickstand plate (sorry Gabe, I love kickstands!). And barrel-type mid-fork brazeons rather than the tombstone ones that were on the orange models (function fine, look kinda' ugly). That's it! For the 30 early adopters, I say don't worry about anything, it will be a great bike! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: SimpleQuickOneBeam Project - Blue Sky Features - What would you like to see?
Ah, and if you could only name it Gimli... I was thinking something like a Surly Pugsley (or more specifically, the 29er Krampus, with its 3 inch tires), but thought that might be too audacious an idea. IF Grant would ever consider such a beast, I hope he would also strongly consider giving it disc brakes and curved fork blades, not something you see very often (other than the Willits Wow fork)... that would certainly turn heads and make for an awesome ride... BB On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 12:40:50 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote: I would be amazingly interested in a rough and tumble fattier (3) bike with low gearing (at least as low as my current gearing can go, so smallest chainring to 32 (but ideally 36, then swap rear cog and shift front for my fast riding option) for snow and trail, mountain riding. If this miraculously becomes that, I'm absolutely in. With abandon, Patrick On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 10:28:12 AM UTC-7, Cyclofiend Jim wrote: I guess this is a type of Entmoot - we're discussing features on a bike that might not be built, but one which is the evolution of the Quickbeam and SimpleOne. The impetus for this thread has branched from Grant Petersen's comments in this thread - https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/QhzO4CFyz1U - in which I was volunteered to wrangle discussion of and interest in the project. Basically, if 30 individuals are interested in committing, this could come to pass. No promises, of course. Here are the guidelines for this thread: - State clearly what you would like to see. - Give a specific reason why. Since this is a Brainstorming thread, let's keep the focus on encouraging creative thought: - No negative comments. If you think an idea is stupid, bite your tongue (or quell your keyboard) and come up with a better one. - No discussion about whether something would or would not work. Each idea may also spur a more functional insight in someone else's brain. This (hopefully) is not an empirical discussion. If you have a Quickbeam or SimpleOne and really like a certain aspect of the frame design, or if you didn't buy one because of a specific issue, this is the place to talk about that. The goal is to recognize valued features and uncover hidden possibilities. All of which or none of which might be incorporated into the final design. For example - I have an orange series. It does not have seat stay threads for a rear rack. This has always bothered me as I have a Mark's Rack on my Hilsen and would love to be able to run a dual rack setup without resorting to P-Clamps. (This was corrected in the SimpleOne.) - or - Would it matter if it had a derailleur hanger? Would you want it optimized for upright bars? Would a kickstand plate be a dealbreaker? Would it absolutely have to be a 584/650B capable of accepting super wide tires? Or a 622/700C capabler of mounting your favorite 29er mondo tire? OK? Thanks in advance and enjoy the ride! - Jim / cyclo...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: SimpleQuickOneBeam Project - Blue Sky Features - What would you like to see?
I approve this list. Also not committing to a frame. Pro: Fixed/fixed rear hub. Slightly more tire clearance - 45s with fenders, Rock n Roads without. Not monstrous clearance - Riv should build another kind of bike around 65mm tires... Equidistant threaded bridges/fork underside yes. If you don't need fenders, you won't know or care. If you do - WOOT. *Does not affect the ride.* Cantilever brakes. Clearance, bad-assery. Sidepulls aren't a dealbreaker, though. *Does not affect the ride.* Black bike. *Does not affect the ride.* Anti: Not interested in a QB-descendant with a double top tube. I weigh 250 and the OG green QB rides fantastically. If you want to stiffen it up, use a steel stem. I don't like the look front mid-fork brazeons on the orange QB. Everyone should be like me and use a NItto M12! It should come with the bike.* Does not affect the ride.* Not a fan of the double front dropout eyelets, but I understand that's the new style. *Does not affect the ride.* Not a big fan of cream headtubes.* Does not affect the ride.* Don't care: Either dropout style is fine with me. *Does not affect the ride.* Kickstand plate or no. I don't use kickstands, but the plate wouldn't bother me. *Does not affect the ride.* Wherever the rear cable stop is now is fine. I don't ever shoulder my bike. *Does not affect the ride.* Philip www.biketinker.com On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 10:49:36 AM UTC-8, oldmangabe wrote: I am not sure if I would be able to commit to a frame, but I do have some general ideas and opinions. I would basically keep the SO/QB the same in terms of general geo and specs. At it's core it is a very good design and concept that is actually pretty hard to find in the bike world. Changes or things I would like to see: 1-foreward facing horizontal dropouts without a derailleur hanger. -the reason for this is that it replicates the current dropouts on the simple one/quickbeam allowing for easy gear changes, and allows for easy fender setup/fenderlines and wheel removal. The rear facing horizontal drops are cool in theory, but it was the main dealbreaker for me because it made wheel removal and movement with fenders such a PITA. No derailleur hanger, because it is unappealing aesthetically and concept wise, plus these kind of bikes never shift that well unless the wheel is all the way forward in the DO slot. BTW, I am speaking mainly of rear facing DO's with hangers. Even horizontal DO's with hangers need the wheel as far forward as possible for quick shifting. 2-More tire clearance with fenders. -Maybe up to a 45mm with fenders and 10mm of clearance at stays and fork blades with fenders on. 3-equaldistant bridges for easy and secure fender mounting. The seatstay bridge should have a threaded boss facing the rear axle. Even bolting plastic fenders makes them more secure than just using the slide clamp. 4-Canti/linear pull brake bosses. -Keeping in line with the original QB and SO concept. Better tire, fender, and mud clearances than the silver sidepulls. It also allows for more variation and choice in specing the bike out. You are not locked into just using the silver big mouth brakes. Same goes for centerpulls, limited options. 5-brake cable stops at 11 o'clock, or 1 o'clock on the TT. This will make shouldering the bike comfortable. You won't have the stops digging into your shoulder, or you don't have to think about repositioning the bike when carrying it on your shoulder. This can make the frame better for urban use, plus dirt riding. What I would like to not see. 1-No double TT's except on the bigger sizes (62cm plus). A double TT doesn't really add anything structurally IMHO except on the bigger frames (62cm+), and only when the frame is built using either standard diameter tubing or very thin wall tubing. Unless one of the main design concepts for the frame/fork is to be a single speed mtn touring bike, or a go fast bike, then it wont be built using either of the afore mentioned tubing styles, thus negating the need for the double TT. Aesthetically a double TT just makes the frame look cluttered, my personal opinion. I see the double TT to mainly be a marketing/brand identifier now, one which I don't think Riv needs anyway, again my personal opinion. 2-No kickstand plate. Again a personal preference. In my urban/suburban riding I have never found the need for a kickstand. Leaning the bike on poles, meters, bike parking, walls, fences, trees, bushes, etc. has always been sufficient. When in my apartment, bikes are hung up or leaned against a wall. When touring and riding in the wilderness I have not found kickstands to be a benefit. More often than not the kickstand sinks into the ground destabilizing the bike. Or the loads on the bike destabilize the bike negating the kickstand. 3-No extra brazons -single rear
[RBW] Re: SimpleQuickOneBeam Project - Blue Sky Features - What would you like to see?
Precisely! Perhaps we have two lists of committed to bikes? Gimli, I like it. G.O. , Gimli's initials (presuming he can trace his lineage back to the Oakenshields), for copyright reasons? Though I was thinking more along the lines of Surly's new ECR. Not outlandishly oversized tires, but enough for snow and very challenging trails. Geared would be ideal, but perhaps simple, beefy gearing in the back with as wide a range as possible (are good 5-6 speeds still available?). For winter, disk brakes would indeed be ideal. If Grant would consider such an outlandish thing, we're already 1/10th of the way there, with three of us! Grin. With abandon, Patrick On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 2:09:26 PM UTC-7, Montclair BobbyB wrote: Ah, and if you could only name it Gimli... I was thinking something like a Surly Pugsley (or more specifically, the 29er Krampus, with its 3 inch tires), but thought that might be too audacious an idea. IF Grant would ever consider such a beast, I hope he would also strongly consider giving it disc brakes and curved fork blades, not something you see very often (other than the Willits Wow fork)... that would certainly turn heads and make for an awesome ride... BB On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 12:40:50 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote: I would be amazingly interested in a rough and tumble fattier (3) bike with low gearing (at least as low as my current gearing can go, so smallest chainring to 32 (but ideally 36, then swap rear cog and shift front for my fast riding option) for snow and trail, mountain riding. If this miraculously becomes that, I'm absolutely in. With abandon, Patrick On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 10:28:12 AM UTC-7, Cyclofiend Jim wrote: I guess this is a type of Entmoot - we're discussing features on a bike that might not be built, but one which is the evolution of the Quickbeam and SimpleOne. The impetus for this thread has branched from Grant Petersen's comments in this thread - https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/QhzO4CFyz1U - in which I was volunteered to wrangle discussion of and interest in the project. Basically, if 30 individuals are interested in committing, this could come to pass. No promises, of course. Here are the guidelines for this thread: - State clearly what you would like to see. - Give a specific reason why. Since this is a Brainstorming thread, let's keep the focus on encouraging creative thought: - No negative comments. If you think an idea is stupid, bite your tongue (or quell your keyboard) and come up with a better one. - No discussion about whether something would or would not work. Each idea may also spur a more functional insight in someone else's brain. This (hopefully) is not an empirical discussion. If you have a Quickbeam or SimpleOne and really like a certain aspect of the frame design, or if you didn't buy one because of a specific issue, this is the place to talk about that. The goal is to recognize valued features and uncover hidden possibilities. All of which or none of which might be incorporated into the final design. For example - I have an orange series. It does not have seat stay threads for a rear rack. This has always bothered me as I have a Mark's Rack on my Hilsen and would love to be able to run a dual rack setup without resorting to P-Clamps. (This was corrected in the SimpleOne.) - or - Would it matter if it had a derailleur hanger? Would you want it optimized for upright bars? Would a kickstand plate be a dealbreaker? Would it absolutely have to be a 584/650B capable of accepting super wide tires? Or a 622/700C capabler of mounting your favorite 29er mondo tire? OK? Thanks in advance and enjoy the ride! - Jim / cyclo...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: SimpleQuickOneBeam Project - Blue Sky Features - What would you like to see?
LOVE the G.O. initial name. No copyright infringement, but a knowing wink to those with the insider knowledge. On 11/26/13, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote: Precisely! Perhaps we have two lists of committed to bikes? Gimli, I like it. G.O. , Gimli's initials (presuming he can trace his lineage back to the Oakenshields), for copyright reasons? Though I was thinking more along the lines of Surly's new ECR. Not outlandishly oversized tires, but enough for snow and very challenging trails. Geared would be ideal, but perhaps simple, beefy gearing in the back with as wide a range as possible (are good 5-6 speeds still available?). For winter, disk brakes would indeed be ideal. If Grant would consider such an outlandish thing, we're already 1/10th of the way there, with three of us! Grin. With abandon, Patrick On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 2:09:26 PM UTC-7, Montclair BobbyB wrote: Ah, and if you could only name it Gimli... I was thinking something like a Surly Pugsley (or more specifically, the 29er Krampus, with its 3 inch tires), but thought that might be too audacious an idea. IF Grant would ever consider such a beast, I hope he would also strongly consider giving it disc brakes and curved fork blades, not something you see very often (other than the Willits Wow fork)... that would certainly turn heads and make for an awesome ride... BB On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 12:40:50 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote: I would be amazingly interested in a rough and tumble fattier (3) bike with low gearing (at least as low as my current gearing can go, so smallest chainring to 32 (but ideally 36, then swap rear cog and shift front for my fast riding option) for snow and trail, mountain riding. If this miraculously becomes that, I'm absolutely in. With abandon, Patrick On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 10:28:12 AM UTC-7, Cyclofiend Jim wrote: I guess this is a type of Entmoot - we're discussing features on a bike that might not be built, but one which is the evolution of the Quickbeam and SimpleOne. The impetus for this thread has branched from Grant Petersen's comments in this thread - https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/QhzO4CFyz1U - in which I was volunteered to wrangle discussion of and interest in the project. Basically, if 30 individuals are interested in committing, this could come to pass. No promises, of course. Here are the guidelines for this thread: - State clearly what you would like to see. - Give a specific reason why. Since this is a Brainstorming thread, let's keep the focus on encouraging creative thought: - No negative comments. If you think an idea is stupid, bite your tongue (or quell your keyboard) and come up with a better one. - No discussion about whether something would or would not work. Each idea may also spur a more functional insight in someone else's brain. This (hopefully) is not an empirical discussion. If you have a Quickbeam or SimpleOne and really like a certain aspect of the frame design, or if you didn't buy one because of a specific issue, this is the place to talk about that. The goal is to recognize valued features and uncover hidden possibilities. All of which or none of which might be incorporated into the final design. For example - I have an orange series. It does not have seat stay threads for a rear rack. This has always bothered me as I have a Mark's Rack on my Hilsen and would love to be able to run a dual rack setup without resorting to P-Clamps. (This was corrected in the SimpleOne.) - or - Would it matter if it had a derailleur hanger? Would you want it optimized for upright bars? Would a kickstand plate be a dealbreaker? Would it absolutely have to be a 584/650B capable of accepting super wide tires? Or a 622/700C capabler of mounting your favorite 29er mondo tire? OK? Thanks in advance and enjoy the ride! - Jim / cyclo...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Cheers, David it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: SimpleQuickOneBeam Project - Blue Sky Features - What would you like to see?
I love the passion and optimism! That said, I'm going to go out on a limb here and predict that this direct decendant of a roadish singlespeed won't end up being a geared and disk-brake equipped monstercross. LOL. But who knows? Certainly not me. On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 1:23:26 PM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote: Precisely! Perhaps we have two lists of committed to bikes? Gimli, I like it. G.O. , Gimli's initials (presuming he can trace his lineage back to the Oakenshields), for copyright reasons? Though I was thinking more along the lines of Surly's new ECR. Not outlandishly oversized tires, but enough for snow and very challenging trails. Geared would be ideal, but perhaps simple, beefy gearing in the back with as wide a range as possible (are good 5-6 speeds still available?). For winter, disk brakes would indeed be ideal. If Grant would consider such an outlandish thing, we're already 1/10th of the way there, with three of us! Grin. With abandon, Patrick On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 2:09:26 PM UTC-7, Montclair BobbyB wrote: Ah, and if you could only name it Gimli... I was thinking something like a Surly Pugsley (or more specifically, the 29er Krampus, with its 3 inch tires), but thought that might be too audacious an idea. IF Grant would ever consider such a beast, I hope he would also strongly consider giving it disc brakes and curved fork blades, not something you see very often (other than the Willits Wow fork)... that would certainly turn heads and make for an awesome ride... BB On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 12:40:50 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote: I would be amazingly interested in a rough and tumble fattier (3) bike with low gearing (at least as low as my current gearing can go, so smallest chainring to 32 (but ideally 36, then swap rear cog and shift front for my fast riding option) for snow and trail, mountain riding. If this miraculously becomes that, I'm absolutely in. With abandon, Patrick On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 10:28:12 AM UTC-7, Cyclofiend Jim wrote: I guess this is a type of Entmoot - we're discussing features on a bike that might not be built, but one which is the evolution of the Quickbeam and SimpleOne. The impetus for this thread has branched from Grant Petersen's comments in this thread - https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/QhzO4CFyz1U - in which I was volunteered to wrangle discussion of and interest in the project. Basically, if 30 individuals are interested in committing, this could come to pass. No promises, of course. Here are the guidelines for this thread: - State clearly what you would like to see. - Give a specific reason why. Since this is a Brainstorming thread, let's keep the focus on encouraging creative thought: - No negative comments. If you think an idea is stupid, bite your tongue (or quell your keyboard) and come up with a better one. - No discussion about whether something would or would not work. Each idea may also spur a more functional insight in someone else's brain. This (hopefully) is not an empirical discussion. If you have a Quickbeam or SimpleOne and really like a certain aspect of the frame design, or if you didn't buy one because of a specific issue, this is the place to talk about that. The goal is to recognize valued features and uncover hidden possibilities. All of which or none of which might be incorporated into the final design. For example - I have an orange series. It does not have seat stay threads for a rear rack. This has always bothered me as I have a Mark's Rack on my Hilsen and would love to be able to run a dual rack setup without resorting to P-Clamps. (This was corrected in the SimpleOne.) - or - Would it matter if it had a derailleur hanger? Would you want it optimized for upright bars? Would a kickstand plate be a dealbreaker? Would it absolutely have to be a 584/650B capable of accepting super wide tires? Or a 622/700C capabler of mounting your favorite 29er mondo tire? OK? Thanks in advance and enjoy the ride! - Jim / cyclo...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: SimpleQuickOneBeam Project - Blue Sky Features - What would you like to see?
Agreed. Hence the possibility of two lists. One a single speed, one the G.O.. With abandon, Patrick On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 2:43:04 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote: I love the passion and optimism! That said, I'm going to go out on a limb here and predict that this direct decendant of a roadish singlespeed won't end up being a geared and disk-brake equipped monstercross. LOL. But who knows? Certainly not me. On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 1:23:26 PM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote: Precisely! Perhaps we have two lists of committed to bikes? Gimli, I like it. G.O. , Gimli's initials (presuming he can trace his lineage back to the Oakenshields), for copyright reasons? Though I was thinking more along the lines of Surly's new ECR. Not outlandishly oversized tires, but enough for snow and very challenging trails. Geared would be ideal, but perhaps simple, beefy gearing in the back with as wide a range as possible (are good 5-6 speeds still available?). For winter, disk brakes would indeed be ideal. If Grant would consider such an outlandish thing, we're already 1/10th of the way there, with three of us! Grin. With abandon, Patrick On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 2:09:26 PM UTC-7, Montclair BobbyB wrote: Ah, and if you could only name it Gimli... I was thinking something like a Surly Pugsley (or more specifically, the 29er Krampus, with its 3 inch tires), but thought that might be too audacious an idea. IF Grant would ever consider such a beast, I hope he would also strongly consider giving it disc brakes and curved fork blades, not something you see very often (other than the Willits Wow fork)... that would certainly turn heads and make for an awesome ride... BB On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 12:40:50 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote: I would be amazingly interested in a rough and tumble fattier (3) bike with low gearing (at least as low as my current gearing can go, so smallest chainring to 32 (but ideally 36, then swap rear cog and shift front for my fast riding option) for snow and trail, mountain riding. If this miraculously becomes that, I'm absolutely in. With abandon, Patrick On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 10:28:12 AM UTC-7, Cyclofiend Jim wrote: I guess this is a type of Entmoot - we're discussing features on a bike that might not be built, but one which is the evolution of the Quickbeam and SimpleOne. The impetus for this thread has branched from Grant Petersen's comments in this thread - https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/QhzO4CFyz1U- in which I was volunteered to wrangle discussion of and interest in the project. Basically, if 30 individuals are interested in committing, this could come to pass. No promises, of course. Here are the guidelines for this thread: - State clearly what you would like to see. - Give a specific reason why. Since this is a Brainstorming thread, let's keep the focus on encouraging creative thought: - No negative comments. If you think an idea is stupid, bite your tongue (or quell your keyboard) and come up with a better one. - No discussion about whether something would or would not work. Each idea may also spur a more functional insight in someone else's brain. This (hopefully) is not an empirical discussion. If you have a Quickbeam or SimpleOne and really like a certain aspect of the frame design, or if you didn't buy one because of a specific issue, this is the place to talk about that. The goal is to recognize valued features and uncover hidden possibilities. All of which or none of which might be incorporated into the final design. For example - I have an orange series. It does not have seat stay threads for a rear rack. This has always bothered me as I have a Mark's Rack on my Hilsen and would love to be able to run a dual rack setup without resorting to P-Clamps. (This was corrected in the SimpleOne.) - or - Would it matter if it had a derailleur hanger? Would you want it optimized for upright bars? Would a kickstand plate be a dealbreaker? Would it absolutely have to be a 584/650B capable of accepting super wide tires? Or a 622/700C capabler of mounting your favorite 29er mondo tire? OK? Thanks in advance and enjoy the ride! - Jim / cyclo...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: SimpleQuickOneBeam Project - Blue Sky Features - What would you like to see?
On 11/26/2013 04:46 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote: are good 5-6 speeds still available? These http://janheine.wordpress.com/2013/09/21/grand-bois-5-speed-cassette-hubs/ might do; also, Sunrace has 5 speed freewheels Shimano has 6 speed freewheels http://sheldonbrown.com/harris/freewheels.html#5 And, of course, there's NOS on ebay -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: SimpleQuickOneBeam Project - Blue Sky Features - What would you like to see?
The G.O. would need all new lugs and dropouts, right?. Even if your list of 30 were willing to pay $3500 each for a custom, you still wouldn't have enough to get that done, I wouldn't think. Dropouts: obviously for disks Fork crown: wider for clearance and probably bigger holes for beefier blade because of disks both head-lugs: I'm guessing, but based on the assumption that nobody ever has made a disk brake mountain bike with a 1 steerer. First ever 1-1/8 Riv seatcluster: I'm guessing to enable wide splaying seatstays BB shell: I'm guessing to enable wide splaying and maybe beefier chainstays. What's the BB shell width of these fat bikes? Is it wider than 68mm? Add to that the velosophical barriers.Daunting On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 1:46:37 PM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote: Agreed. Hence the possibility of two lists. One a single speed, one the G.O.. With abandon, Patrick On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 2:43:04 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote: I love the passion and optimism! That said, I'm going to go out on a limb here and predict that this direct decendant of a roadish singlespeed won't end up being a geared and disk-brake equipped monstercross. LOL. But who knows? Certainly not me. On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 1:23:26 PM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote: Precisely! Perhaps we have two lists of committed to bikes? Gimli, I like it. G.O. , Gimli's initials (presuming he can trace his lineage back to the Oakenshields), for copyright reasons? Though I was thinking more along the lines of Surly's new ECR. Not outlandishly oversized tires, but enough for snow and very challenging trails. Geared would be ideal, but perhaps simple, beefy gearing in the back with as wide a range as possible (are good 5-6 speeds still available?). For winter, disk brakes would indeed be ideal. If Grant would consider such an outlandish thing, we're already 1/10th of the way there, with three of us! Grin. With abandon, Patrick On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 2:09:26 PM UTC-7, Montclair BobbyB wrote: Ah, and if you could only name it Gimli... I was thinking something like a Surly Pugsley (or more specifically, the 29er Krampus, with its 3 inch tires), but thought that might be too audacious an idea. IF Grant would ever consider such a beast, I hope he would also strongly consider giving it disc brakes and curved fork blades, not something you see very often (other than the Willits Wow fork)... that would certainly turn heads and make for an awesome ride... BB On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 12:40:50 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote: I would be amazingly interested in a rough and tumble fattier (3) bike with low gearing (at least as low as my current gearing can go, so smallest chainring to 32 (but ideally 36, then swap rear cog and shift front for my fast riding option) for snow and trail, mountain riding. If this miraculously becomes that, I'm absolutely in. With abandon, Patrick On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 10:28:12 AM UTC-7, Cyclofiend Jim wrote: I guess this is a type of Entmoot - we're discussing features on a bike that might not be built, but one which is the evolution of the Quickbeam and SimpleOne. The impetus for this thread has branched from Grant Petersen's comments in this thread - https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/QhzO4CFyz1U- in which I was volunteered to wrangle discussion of and interest in the project. Basically, if 30 individuals are interested in committing, this could come to pass. No promises, of course. Here are the guidelines for this thread: - State clearly what you would like to see. - Give a specific reason why. Since this is a Brainstorming thread, let's keep the focus on encouraging creative thought: - No negative comments. If you think an idea is stupid, bite your tongue (or quell your keyboard) and come up with a better one. - No discussion about whether something would or would not work. Each idea may also spur a more functional insight in someone else's brain. This (hopefully) is not an empirical discussion. If you have a Quickbeam or SimpleOne and really like a certain aspect of the frame design, or if you didn't buy one because of a specific issue, this is the place to talk about that. The goal is to recognize valued features and uncover hidden possibilities. All of which or none of which might be incorporated into the final design. For example - I have an orange series. It does not have seat stay threads for a rear rack. This has always bothered me as I have a Mark's Rack on my Hilsen and would love to be able to run a dual rack setup without resorting to P-Clamps. (This was corrected in the SimpleOne.) - or - Would it matter if it had a derailleur hanger? Would you want it optimized for upright bars? Would a kickstand plate be a dealbreaker? Would it absolutely have to be a 584/650B capable
[RBW] Re: SimpleQuickOneBeam Project - Blue Sky Features - What would you like to see?
Well, $100,000 aggregate for 30 copies of the same bike? Maybe that would be enough to get it done. It would just take a really really long time. On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 2:02:44 PM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote: The G.O. would need all new lugs and dropouts, right?. Even if your list of 30 were willing to pay $3500 each for a custom, you still wouldn't have enough to get that done, I wouldn't think. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: SimpleQuickOneBeam Project - Blue Sky Features - What would you like to see?
Blue sky, Bill. Blue sky. With abandon, Patrick On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 3:02:44 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote: The G.O. would need all new lugs and dropouts, right?. Even if your list of 30 were willing to pay $3500 each for a custom, you still wouldn't have enough to get that done, I wouldn't think. Dropouts: obviously for disks Fork crown: wider for clearance and probably bigger holes for beefier blade because of disks both head-lugs: I'm guessing, but based on the assumption that nobody ever has made a disk brake mountain bike with a 1 steerer. First ever 1-1/8 Riv seatcluster: I'm guessing to enable wide splaying seatstays BB shell: I'm guessing to enable wide splaying and maybe beefier chainstays. What's the BB shell width of these fat bikes? Is it wider than 68mm? Add to that the velosophical barriers.Daunting On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 1:46:37 PM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote: Agreed. Hence the possibility of two lists. One a single speed, one the G.O.. With abandon, Patrick On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 2:43:04 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote: I love the passion and optimism! That said, I'm going to go out on a limb here and predict that this direct decendant of a roadish singlespeed won't end up being a geared and disk-brake equipped monstercross. LOL. But who knows? Certainly not me. On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 1:23:26 PM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote: Precisely! Perhaps we have two lists of committed to bikes? Gimli, I like it. G.O. , Gimli's initials (presuming he can trace his lineage back to the Oakenshields), for copyright reasons? Though I was thinking more along the lines of Surly's new ECR. Not outlandishly oversized tires, but enough for snow and very challenging trails. Geared would be ideal, but perhaps simple, beefy gearing in the back with as wide a range as possible (are good 5-6 speeds still available?). For winter, disk brakes would indeed be ideal. If Grant would consider such an outlandish thing, we're already 1/10th of the way there, with three of us! Grin. With abandon, Patrick On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 2:09:26 PM UTC-7, Montclair BobbyB wrote: Ah, and if you could only name it Gimli... I was thinking something like a Surly Pugsley (or more specifically, the 29er Krampus, with its 3 inch tires), but thought that might be too audacious an idea. IF Grant would ever consider such a beast, I hope he would also strongly consider giving it disc brakes and curved fork blades, not something you see very often (other than the Willits Wow fork)... that would certainly turn heads and make for an awesome ride... BB On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 12:40:50 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote: I would be amazingly interested in a rough and tumble fattier (3) bike with low gearing (at least as low as my current gearing can go, so smallest chainring to 32 (but ideally 36, then swap rear cog and shift front for my fast riding option) for snow and trail, mountain riding. If this miraculously becomes that, I'm absolutely in. With abandon, Patrick On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 10:28:12 AM UTC-7, Cyclofiend Jim wrote: I guess this is a type of Entmoot - we're discussing features on a bike that might not be built, but one which is the evolution of the Quickbeam and SimpleOne. The impetus for this thread has branched from Grant Petersen's comments in this thread - https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/QhzO4CFyz1U- in which I was volunteered to wrangle discussion of and interest in the project. Basically, if 30 individuals are interested in committing, this could come to pass. No promises, of course. Here are the guidelines for this thread: - State clearly what you would like to see. - Give a specific reason why. Since this is a Brainstorming thread, let's keep the focus on encouraging creative thought: - No negative comments. If you think an idea is stupid, bite your tongue (or quell your keyboard) and come up with a better one. - No discussion about whether something would or would not work. Each idea may also spur a more functional insight in someone else's brain. This (hopefully) is not an empirical discussion. If you have a Quickbeam or SimpleOne and really like a certain aspect of the frame design, or if you didn't buy one because of a specific issue, this is the place to talk about that. The goal is to recognize valued features and uncover hidden possibilities. All of which or none of which might be incorporated into the final design. For example - I have an orange series. It does not have seat stay threads for a rear rack. This has always bothered me as I have a Mark's Rack on my Hilsen and would love to be able to run a dual rack setup without resorting to P-Clamps. (This was corrected in the SimpleOne.) - or - Would it matter if it had a derailleur hanger? Would
[RBW] Re: SimpleQuickOneBeam Project - Blue Sky Features - What would you like to see?
Think about where those snow bikes come from: Minnesota, Alaska, i.e., places with snow; lots of snow. Putting myself in Grant's sandals, let's see: I've got this really nice SS already designed, lug molds worked out, vendors in place, etc., etc. OR I could start designing a disc braked fat bike.hmmm. Ponder, ponder, ponder; tough call eh? But it is nice to dream. doug (kinda need gears myself) P On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 2:14:31 PM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote: Blue sky, Bill. Blue sky. With abandon, Patrick On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 3:02:44 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote: The G.O. would need all new lugs and dropouts, right?. Even if your list of 30 were willing to pay $3500 each for a custom, you still wouldn't have enough to get that done, I wouldn't think. Dropouts: obviously for disks Fork crown: wider for clearance and probably bigger holes for beefier blade because of disks both head-lugs: I'm guessing, but based on the assumption that nobody ever has made a disk brake mountain bike with a 1 steerer. First ever 1-1/8 Riv seatcluster: I'm guessing to enable wide splaying seatstays BB shell: I'm guessing to enable wide splaying and maybe beefier chainstays. What's the BB shell width of these fat bikes? Is it wider than 68mm? Add to that the velosophical barriers.Daunting On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 1:46:37 PM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote: Agreed. Hence the possibility of two lists. One a single speed, one the G.O.. With abandon, Patrick On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 2:43:04 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote: I love the passion and optimism! That said, I'm going to go out on a limb here and predict that this direct decendant of a roadish singlespeed won't end up being a geared and disk-brake equipped monstercross. LOL. But who knows? Certainly not me. On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 1:23:26 PM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote: Precisely! Perhaps we have two lists of committed to bikes? Gimli, I like it. G.O. , Gimli's initials (presuming he can trace his lineage back to the Oakenshields), for copyright reasons? Though I was thinking more along the lines of Surly's new ECR. Not outlandishly oversized tires, but enough for snow and very challenging trails. Geared would be ideal, but perhaps simple, beefy gearing in the back with as wide a range as possible (are good 5-6 speeds still available?). For winter, disk brakes would indeed be ideal. If Grant would consider such an outlandish thing, we're already 1/10th of the way there, with three of us! Grin. With abandon, Patrick On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 2:09:26 PM UTC-7, Montclair BobbyB wrote: Ah, and if you could only name it Gimli... I was thinking something like a Surly Pugsley (or more specifically, the 29er Krampus, with its 3 inch tires), but thought that might be too audacious an idea. IF Grant would ever consider such a beast, I hope he would also strongly consider giving it disc brakes and curved fork blades, not something you see very often (other than the Willits Wow fork)... that would certainly turn heads and make for an awesome ride... BB On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 12:40:50 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote: I would be amazingly interested in a rough and tumble fattier (3) bike with low gearing (at least as low as my current gearing can go, so smallest chainring to 32 (but ideally 36, then swap rear cog and shift front for my fast riding option) for snow and trail, mountain riding. If this miraculously becomes that, I'm absolutely in. With abandon, Patrick On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 10:28:12 AM UTC-7, Cyclofiend Jim wrote: I guess this is a type of Entmoot - we're discussing features on a bike that might not be built, but one which is the evolution of the Quickbeam and SimpleOne. The impetus for this thread has branched from Grant Petersen's comments in this thread - https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/QhzO4CFyz1U- in which I was volunteered to wrangle discussion of and interest in the project. Basically, if 30 individuals are interested in committing, this could come to pass. No promises, of course. Here are the guidelines for this thread: - State clearly what you would like to see. - Give a specific reason why. Since this is a Brainstorming thread, let's keep the focus on encouraging creative thought: - No negative comments. If you think an idea is stupid, bite your tongue (or quell your keyboard) and come up with a better one. - No discussion about whether something would or would not work. Each idea may also spur a more functional insight in someone else's brain. This (hopefully) is not an empirical discussion. If you have a Quickbeam or SimpleOne and really like a certain aspect of the frame design, or if you didn't buy one because of a specific issue, this is the place to talk about that. The goal is
[RBW] Re: SimpleQuickOneBeam Project - Blue Sky Features - What would you like to see?
From what I understand, 3 tires aren't near the snow bike 4-5 tires on the Moonlander are. They are more of a roll over anything (like the Colorado Trail) kind of tire, or sand (Kokopeli Trail), and if it happens to snow a few inches, not a big deal, but not near the float on snow of a bigger tire. But yes, it's blue sky. With abandon, Patrick On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 3:51:37 PM UTC-7, dougP wrote: Think about where those snow bikes come from: Minnesota, Alaska, i.e., places with snow; lots of snow. Putting myself in Grant's sandals, let's see: I've got this really nice SS already designed, lug molds worked out, vendors in place, etc., etc. OR I could start designing a disc braked fat bike.hmmm. Ponder, ponder, ponder; tough call eh? But it is nice to dream. doug (kinda need gears myself) P On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 2:14:31 PM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote: Blue sky, Bill. Blue sky. With abandon, Patrick On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 3:02:44 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote: The G.O. would need all new lugs and dropouts, right?. Even if your list of 30 were willing to pay $3500 each for a custom, you still wouldn't have enough to get that done, I wouldn't think. Dropouts: obviously for disks Fork crown: wider for clearance and probably bigger holes for beefier blade because of disks both head-lugs: I'm guessing, but based on the assumption that nobody ever has made a disk brake mountain bike with a 1 steerer. First ever 1-1/8 Riv seatcluster: I'm guessing to enable wide splaying seatstays BB shell: I'm guessing to enable wide splaying and maybe beefier chainstays. What's the BB shell width of these fat bikes? Is it wider than 68mm? Add to that the velosophical barriers.Daunting On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 1:46:37 PM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote: Agreed. Hence the possibility of two lists. One a single speed, one the G.O.. With abandon, Patrick On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 2:43:04 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote: I love the passion and optimism! That said, I'm going to go out on a limb here and predict that this direct decendant of a roadish singlespeed won't end up being a geared and disk-brake equipped monstercross. LOL. But who knows? Certainly not me. On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 1:23:26 PM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote: Precisely! Perhaps we have two lists of committed to bikes? Gimli, I like it. G.O. , Gimli's initials (presuming he can trace his lineage back to the Oakenshields), for copyright reasons? Though I was thinking more along the lines of Surly's new ECR. Not outlandishly oversized tires, but enough for snow and very challenging trails. Geared would be ideal, but perhaps simple, beefy gearing in the back with as wide a range as possible (are good 5-6 speeds still available?). For winter, disk brakes would indeed be ideal. If Grant would consider such an outlandish thing, we're already 1/10th of the way there, with three of us! Grin. With abandon, Patrick On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 2:09:26 PM UTC-7, Montclair BobbyB wrote: Ah, and if you could only name it Gimli... I was thinking something like a Surly Pugsley (or more specifically, the 29er Krampus, with its 3 inch tires), but thought that might be too audacious an idea. IF Grant would ever consider such a beast, I hope he would also strongly consider giving it disc brakes and curved fork blades, not something you see very often (other than the Willits Wow fork)... that would certainly turn heads and make for an awesome ride... BB On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 12:40:50 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote: I would be amazingly interested in a rough and tumble fattier (3) bike with low gearing (at least as low as my current gearing can go, so smallest chainring to 32 (but ideally 36, then swap rear cog and shift front for my fast riding option) for snow and trail, mountain riding. If this miraculously becomes that, I'm absolutely in. With abandon, Patrick On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 10:28:12 AM UTC-7, Cyclofiend Jim wrote: I guess this is a type of Entmoot - we're discussing features on a bike that might not be built, but one which is the evolution of the Quickbeam and SimpleOne. The impetus for this thread has branched from Grant Petersen's comments in this thread - https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/QhzO4CFyz1U- in which I was volunteered to wrangle discussion of and interest in the project. Basically, if 30 individuals are interested in committing, this could come to pass. No promises, of course. Here are the guidelines for this thread: - State clearly what you would like to see. - Give a specific reason why. Since this is a Brainstorming thread, let's keep the focus on encouraging creative thought: - No negative comments. If you think an idea is stupid, bite your tongue (or quell your
[RBW] Re: SimpleQuickOneBeam Project - Blue Sky Features - What would you like to see?
hi i have been running my orange quickbeam as a 10 speed for a couple of years now. 120mm 5sp freewhweel in the back, 2 rings up front. 2 deraillers. both clamp on. its just fine as it is, ive never had a problem with the derailler. i kinda like the idea of a $10 derailler on a very expenesive frame anyway. makes it look cheap to theives! anyway the new bike should be a san marcos with quickbeam dropouts and an a homer fork bend. sidepulls of course for simplicity. my 2cents joe On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 12:28:12 PM UTC-5, Cyclofiend Jim wrote: I guess this is a type of Entmoot - we're discussing features on a bike that might not be built, but one which is the evolution of the Quickbeam and SimpleOne. The impetus for this thread has branched from Grant Petersen's comments in this thread - https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/QhzO4CFyz1U - in which I was volunteered to wrangle discussion of and interest in the project. Basically, if 30 individuals are interested in committing, this could come to pass. No promises, of course. Here are the guidelines for this thread: - State clearly what you would like to see. - Give a specific reason why. Since this is a Brainstorming thread, let's keep the focus on encouraging creative thought: - No negative comments. If you think an idea is stupid, bite your tongue (or quell your keyboard) and come up with a better one. - No discussion about whether something would or would not work. Each idea may also spur a more functional insight in someone else's brain. This (hopefully) is not an empirical discussion. If you have a Quickbeam or SimpleOne and really like a certain aspect of the frame design, or if you didn't buy one because of a specific issue, this is the place to talk about that. The goal is to recognize valued features and uncover hidden possibilities. All of which or none of which might be incorporated into the final design. For example - I have an orange series. It does not have seat stay threads for a rear rack. This has always bothered me as I have a Mark's Rack on my Hilsen and would love to be able to run a dual rack setup without resorting to P-Clamps. (This was corrected in the SimpleOne.) - or - Would it matter if it had a derailleur hanger? Would you want it optimized for upright bars? Would a kickstand plate be a dealbreaker? Would it absolutely have to be a 584/650B capable of accepting super wide tires? Or a 622/700C capabler of mounting your favorite 29er mondo tire? OK? Thanks in advance and enjoy the ride! - Jim / cyclo...@gmail.com javascript: -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: SimpleQuickOneBeam Project - Blue Sky Features - What would you like to see?
No more than 2 degree upslope. Biggish head tube extension to save on headset spacer stack. Simple lugs. A stunning lack of braze-ons (I like P-clamps). Single bottle mount, seat tube only. A really nice bend to the fork blades. 700C. Only slightly more tire clearance. Track ends. Cantis. Optimized for drops. Don't care a stitch for eyelets, rack mounts, provisions for fenders, integrated cable hanger, or a kickstand plate. Contrasting head tube (I'd really, *really* love to see the old Riv green 'tube on orange paint). Adhesive livery more aesthetically adjacent to Atlantis and Bleriot than SimpleOne and Yves, if that makes sense, i.e. no font that comes loaded with Windows. Basically, only slightly different to the Quickbeam, if even more pared back. That's me. Jeff Hagedorn Warragul, VIC Australia -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: SimpleQuickOneBeam Project - Blue Sky Features - What would you like to see?
Oh yeah, and no provision for a derailleur. There are seven trillion mid-life Reynolds frames with horizontal drop outs positively gagging for a SS conversion. There are few fine examples of purpose-built lugged SS frames that aren't track or cross bikes. Jeff Hagedorn Warragul, VIC Australia -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: SimpleQuickOneBeam Project - Blue Sky Features - What would you like to see?
Its nice to dream but there are so many bikes here in NYC and other cities that can be easily and cheaply converted to SS/Fixed a frame only for $1200 is out of reach of most of the customer base, IE people looking for a easy SS/Fixed bike. As has also been pointed out Surly et al make SS monster bikes so that would be a hard market to cram into and would require a total re-design for Rivendell. I love the idea of owning a Rivendell Single Speed but my $300 total buildup Raleigh Competition is a fine riding bike. On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 6:25 PM, sameness samen...@gmail.com wrote: No more than 2 degree upslope. Biggish head tube extension to save on headset spacer stack. Simple lugs. A stunning lack of braze-ons (I like P-clamps). Single bottle mount, seat tube only. A really nice bend to the fork blades. 700C. Only slightly more tire clearance. Track ends. Cantis. Optimized for drops. Don't care a stitch for eyelets, rack mounts, provisions for fenders, integrated cable hanger, or a kickstand plate. Contrasting head tube (I'd really, *really* love to see the old Riv green 'tube on orange paint). Adhesive livery more aesthetically adjacent to Atlantis and Bleriot than SimpleOne and Yves, if that makes sense, i.e. no font that comes loaded with Windows. Basically, only slightly different to the Quickbeam, if even more pared back. That's me. Jeff Hagedorn Warragul, VIC Australia -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: SimpleQuickOneBeam Project - Blue Sky Features - What would you like to see?
Ah, but there's always room in nature for a mutation to occur once in a while... I just hope it would never be referred to as Monster Cross... (no offense, B)... no, this would have to be it's own species... like Gimli himself, a badass dwarf... Wiith recklessness, BB On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 4:43:04 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote: I love the passion and optimism! That said, I'm going to go out on a limb here and predict that this direct decendant of a roadish singlespeed won't end up being a geared and disk-brake equipped monstercross. LOL. But who knows? Certainly not me. On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 1:23:26 PM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote: Precisely! Perhaps we have two lists of committed to bikes? Gimli, I like it. G.O. , Gimli's initials (presuming he can trace his lineage back to the Oakenshields), for copyright reasons? Though I was thinking more along the lines of Surly's new ECR. Not outlandishly oversized tires, but enough for snow and very challenging trails. Geared would be ideal, but perhaps simple, beefy gearing in the back with as wide a range as possible (are good 5-6 speeds still available?). For winter, disk brakes would indeed be ideal. If Grant would consider such an outlandish thing, we're already 1/10th of the way there, with three of us! Grin. With abandon, Patrick On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 2:09:26 PM UTC-7, Montclair BobbyB wrote: Ah, and if you could only name it Gimli... I was thinking something like a Surly Pugsley (or more specifically, the 29er Krampus, with its 3 inch tires), but thought that might be too audacious an idea. IF Grant would ever consider such a beast, I hope he would also strongly consider giving it disc brakes and curved fork blades, not something you see very often (other than the Willits Wow fork)... that would certainly turn heads and make for an awesome ride... BB On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 12:40:50 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote: I would be amazingly interested in a rough and tumble fattier (3) bike with low gearing (at least as low as my current gearing can go, so smallest chainring to 32 (but ideally 36, then swap rear cog and shift front for my fast riding option) for snow and trail, mountain riding. If this miraculously becomes that, I'm absolutely in. With abandon, Patrick On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 10:28:12 AM UTC-7, Cyclofiend Jim wrote: I guess this is a type of Entmoot - we're discussing features on a bike that might not be built, but one which is the evolution of the Quickbeam and SimpleOne. The impetus for this thread has branched from Grant Petersen's comments in this thread - https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/QhzO4CFyz1U- in which I was volunteered to wrangle discussion of and interest in the project. Basically, if 30 individuals are interested in committing, this could come to pass. No promises, of course. Here are the guidelines for this thread: - State clearly what you would like to see. - Give a specific reason why. Since this is a Brainstorming thread, let's keep the focus on encouraging creative thought: - No negative comments. If you think an idea is stupid, bite your tongue (or quell your keyboard) and come up with a better one. - No discussion about whether something would or would not work. Each idea may also spur a more functional insight in someone else's brain. This (hopefully) is not an empirical discussion. If you have a Quickbeam or SimpleOne and really like a certain aspect of the frame design, or if you didn't buy one because of a specific issue, this is the place to talk about that. The goal is to recognize valued features and uncover hidden possibilities. All of which or none of which might be incorporated into the final design. For example - I have an orange series. It does not have seat stay threads for a rear rack. This has always bothered me as I have a Mark's Rack on my Hilsen and would love to be able to run a dual rack setup without resorting to P-Clamps. (This was corrected in the SimpleOne.) - or - Would it matter if it had a derailleur hanger? Would you want it optimized for upright bars? Would a kickstand plate be a dealbreaker? Would it absolutely have to be a 584/650B capable of accepting super wide tires? Or a 622/700C capabler of mounting your favorite 29er mondo tire? OK? Thanks in advance and enjoy the ride! - Jim / cyclo...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: SimpleQuickOneBeam Project - Blue Sky Features - What would you like to see?
You're right... but someone will build it, and it will open up a new kind of riding. The truth is, the world doesn't really NEED another SS... the world DOES need bikes that can go where others have feared to go... just saying... On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 5:36:13 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote: Your second list is definitely blue sky. Grin. The original list is for *real*, though. Surrender $1200 and surrender all decision making to Grant, and you'll get a nice frame. On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 2:14:31 PM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote: Blue sky, Bill. Blue sky. With abandon, Patrick On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 3:02:44 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote: The G.O. would need all new lugs and dropouts, right?. Even if your list of 30 were willing to pay $3500 each for a custom, you still wouldn't have enough to get that done, I wouldn't think. Dropouts: obviously for disks Fork crown: wider for clearance and probably bigger holes for beefier blade because of disks both head-lugs: I'm guessing, but based on the assumption that nobody ever has made a disk brake mountain bike with a 1 steerer. First ever 1-1/8 Riv seatcluster: I'm guessing to enable wide splaying seatstays BB shell: I'm guessing to enable wide splaying and maybe beefier chainstays. What's the BB shell width of these fat bikes? Is it wider than 68mm? Add to that the velosophical barriers.Daunting On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 1:46:37 PM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote: Agreed. Hence the possibility of two lists. One a single speed, one the G.O.. With abandon, Patrick On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 2:43:04 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote: I love the passion and optimism! That said, I'm going to go out on a limb here and predict that this direct decendant of a roadish singlespeed won't end up being a geared and disk-brake equipped monstercross. LOL. But who knows? Certainly not me. On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 1:23:26 PM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote: Precisely! Perhaps we have two lists of committed to bikes? Gimli, I like it. G.O. , Gimli's initials (presuming he can trace his lineage back to the Oakenshields), for copyright reasons? Though I was thinking more along the lines of Surly's new ECR. Not outlandishly oversized tires, but enough for snow and very challenging trails. Geared would be ideal, but perhaps simple, beefy gearing in the back with as wide a range as possible (are good 5-6 speeds still available?). For winter, disk brakes would indeed be ideal. If Grant would consider such an outlandish thing, we're already 1/10th of the way there, with three of us! Grin. With abandon, Patrick On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 2:09:26 PM UTC-7, Montclair BobbyB wrote: Ah, and if you could only name it Gimli... I was thinking something like a Surly Pugsley (or more specifically, the 29er Krampus, with its 3 inch tires), but thought that might be too audacious an idea. IF Grant would ever consider such a beast, I hope he would also strongly consider giving it disc brakes and curved fork blades, not something you see very often (other than the Willits Wow fork)... that would certainly turn heads and make for an awesome ride... BB On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 12:40:50 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote: I would be amazingly interested in a rough and tumble fattier (3) bike with low gearing (at least as low as my current gearing can go, so smallest chainring to 32 (but ideally 36, then swap rear cog and shift front for my fast riding option) for snow and trail, mountain riding. If this miraculously becomes that, I'm absolutely in. With abandon, Patrick On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 10:28:12 AM UTC-7, Cyclofiend Jim wrote: I guess this is a type of Entmoot - we're discussing features on a bike that might not be built, but one which is the evolution of the Quickbeam and SimpleOne. The impetus for this thread has branched from Grant Petersen's comments in this thread - https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/QhzO4CFyz1U- in which I was volunteered to wrangle discussion of and interest in the project. Basically, if 30 individuals are interested in committing, this could come to pass. No promises, of course. Here are the guidelines for this thread: - State clearly what you would like to see. - Give a specific reason why. Since this is a Brainstorming thread, let's keep the focus on encouraging creative thought: - No negative comments. If you think an idea is stupid, bite your tongue (or quell your keyboard) and come up with a better one. - No discussion about whether something would or would not work. Each idea may also spur a more functional insight in someone else's brain. This (hopefully) is not an empirical discussion. If you have a Quickbeam or SimpleOne and really like a certain aspect of the frame design, or if you didn't
Re: [RBW] Re: SimpleQuickOneBeam Project - Blue Sky Features - What would you like to see?
All those cheap bikes can be cheaply made into geared bikes, too, so why buy any Riv at all? If that singlespeed Raleigh Competition = Quickbeam, then that Raleigh Competition with gears = Roadeo. '80s Ritchey MTB = Bombadil? It's a perspective thing. I value fixed gear bikes more highly than geared bikes, so I'd be more likely to ride a geared Centurion, and save my pennies for a Riv custom fixie than vice-versa. Philip www.biketinker.com On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 3:35:15 PM UTC-8, Peter M wrote: Its nice to dream but there are so many bikes here in NYC and other cities that can be easily and cheaply converted to SS/Fixed a frame only for $1200 is out of reach of most of the customer base, IE people looking for a easy SS/Fixed bike. As has also been pointed out Surly et al make SS monster bikes so that would be a hard market to cram into and would require a total re-design for Rivendell. I love the idea of owning a Rivendell Single Speed but my $300 total buildup Raleigh Competition is a fine riding bike. On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 6:25 PM, sameness same...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: No more than 2 degree upslope. Biggish head tube extension to save on headset spacer stack. Simple lugs. A stunning lack of braze-ons (I like P-clamps). Single bottle mount, seat tube only. A really nice bend to the fork blades. 700C. Only slightly more tire clearance. Track ends. Cantis. Optimized for drops. Don't care a stitch for eyelets, rack mounts, provisions for fenders, integrated cable hanger, or a kickstand plate. Contrasting head tube (I'd really, *really* love to see the old Riv green 'tube on orange paint). Adhesive livery more aesthetically adjacent to Atlantis and Bleriot than SimpleOne and Yves, if that makes sense, i.e. no font that comes loaded with Windows. Basically, only slightly different to the Quickbeam, if even more pared back. That's me. Jeff Hagedorn Warragul, VIC Australia -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript: . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: SimpleQuickOneBeam Project - Blue Sky Features - What would you like to see?
I'd buy a singlespeed Riv sight unseen as long as it has the following items in order of importance (1-6 are mandatory): 1. No toe overlap in small sizes (I ride 54cm AHH) 2. Pretty. Lugs. Wet paint. Traditional triangle without too much sloop. Gorgeous forks. 3. Fun. Great handling on paved roads and unpaved surfaces. 4. It must handle fatish tires = Hetres, cross country mountain bike tires, etc. 5. With mudguards. You can't reasonable ride a bike in the northwest, northeast, or southeast with proper mudguards. 6. Water bottle holders = 0 is unacceptable. 7. Storage. Racks both front and back. 8. It can easily be run as a fixie. If it can have a derailleur hanger too, bring it. It needs a broadish audience. 9. I'd be even more interested if I knew it would be limited to a single run! Peace. -Jimmy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: SimpleQuickOneBeam Project - Blue Sky Features - What would you like to see?
Jimmy Hutch nails it. I think a simple standard for phat tires is the BG Rock-N-Road, at 43mm. I tried them on my QuickBeam, and they were just too tight for comfort between the chainstays. Open those up just a smidge, and it's there. And an accent colour on the head tube, too, please. Oh, and put the front cable boss for the rear brake in the very center of the top tube, to make a cleaner line for those who run their rear brakes from the left handlebar. - Andrew, Berkeley On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 7:12:15 PM UTC-8, Jimmy Hutch wrote: I'd buy a singlespeed Riv sight unseen as long as it has the following items in order of importance (1-6 are mandatory): 1. No toe overlap in small sizes (I ride 54cm AHH) 2. Pretty. Lugs. Wet paint. Traditional triangle without too much sloop. Gorgeous forks. 3. Fun. Great handling on paved roads and unpaved surfaces. 4. It must handle fatish tires = Hetres, cross country mountain bike tires, etc. 5. With mudguards. You can't reasonable ride a bike in the northwest, northeast, or southeast with proper mudguards. 6. Water bottle holders = 0 is unacceptable. 7. Storage. Racks both front and back. 8. It can easily be run as a fixie. If it can have a derailleur hanger too, bring it. It needs a broadish audience. 9. I'd be even more interested if I knew it would be limited to a single run! Peace. -Jimmy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
