[RBW] Re: Speaking of Cork grips…
Hi all, I'm new here, have been lurking for awhile... have a Riv frame in layaway at my LBS ( a Ram), and have been gathering up parts to build it. Still working out some of the details on what I'm going to do, and, one of the things left to decide is the grips So On the topic of cork on handlebars. I fly fish a bit.I've got a friend who build bamboo flyrods. He gets cork in rings, glues them together, fits them to the butt section of the flyrod. I was looking at the Riv site, and I had originally considered the 'cork' tape instead of the usual cloth tape and shellac, since I'm planning on Noodles for the handlebars. But those all-cork grips (the Miesha's ones) caught my eye, reminding me of a flyrod grip. At that point, I started considering the idea of wrapping the bar with tape, then slipping Miesha grips onto just the end of the bar. But as I continued mulling about it, I've now started wondering about the idea of slipping cork rings onto the bar, as if building a flyrod grip, to actually have cork along the entire bar, from stem to brake-lever, and then on from lever to end. If you pack them snugly, I think you could clamp the upper ones in place with the brake-lever, then when you pack the lower ones on, would only have to glue the last two or three, to hold them in place... or, could have rings covering the bend, then slip the one-piece grips onto the end, probably using hairspray (could probably get it to remove if need be that way). Has anyone else ever done or seen such before?Any reason why this wouldn't work? Or would be bad? Simply crazy? Thoughts, suggestions, comments? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Speaking of Cork grips…
Welcome to the group1 very resourceful bunch, here. I don't think your idea would be that great because the bend of the bars will inevitably pack the rings hrd on the inside bends, and loose on the outside. I use cork on my drop bars. Maybe you could do some variation of this set up. I really like this set up on my Quickbeam. By the way, I now have cork tape on the bars where you see the cloth tape. Here's the link Check the second and third pix, in particular: http://cyclofiend.com/ssg/2007/ssg074-rayshine0307.html --- On Mon, 11/30/09, Leslie leslie.bri...@gmail.com wrote: From: Leslie leslie.bri...@gmail.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Speaking of Cork grips… To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Monday, November 30, 2009, 7:52 PM Hi all, I'm new here, have been lurking for awhile... have a Riv frame in layaway at my LBS ( a Ram), and have been gathering up parts to build it. Still working out some of the details on what I'm going to do, and, one of the things left to decide is the grips So On the topic of cork on handlebars. I fly fish a bit. I've got a friend who build bamboo flyrods. He gets cork in rings, glues them together, fits them to the butt section of the flyrod. I was looking at the Riv site, and I had originally considered the 'cork' tape instead of the usual cloth tape and shellac, since I'm planning on Noodles for the handlebars. But those all-cork grips (the Miesha's ones) caught my eye, reminding me of a flyrod grip. At that point, I started considering the idea of wrapping the bar with tape, then slipping Miesha grips onto just the end of the bar. But as I continued mulling about it, I've now started wondering about the idea of slipping cork rings onto the bar, as if building a flyrod grip, to actually have cork along the entire bar, from stem to brake-lever, and then on from lever to end. If you pack them snugly, I think you could clamp the upper ones in place with the brake-lever, then when you pack the lower ones on, would only have to glue the last two or three, to hold them in place... or, could have rings covering the bend, then slip the one-piece grips onto the end, probably using hairspray (could probably get it to remove if need be that way). Has anyone else ever done or seen such before? Any reason why this wouldn't work? Or would be bad? Simply crazy? Thoughts, suggestions, comments? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Speaking of Cork grips…
On Nov 30, 11:46 pm, Ray Shine r.sh...@sbcglobal.net wrote: I don't think your idea would be that great because the bend of the bars will inevitably pack the rings hrd on the inside bends, and loose on the outside. I use cork on my drop bars. Maybe you could do some variation of this set up. I really like this set up on my Quickbeam. By the way, I now have cork tape on the bars where you see the cloth tape. Here's the link Check the second and third pix, in particular: http://cyclofiend.com/ssg/2007/ssg074-rayshine0307.html Hi Ray, that's very similar to what I was picturing. Thanks for the link to the pics... I'd gone through lots of the Ram pics, hadn't gone through the QB pics, I'd missed quite a bit! On Dec 1, 12:27 am, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote: I think it's going to be a little problematic - here are some things which occurred to me: The first trick is going to be find something with an inside diameter that will fit. Fly rod blanks are much smaller than handlebars. The largest i can find is less than 20 mm's -http://tinyurl.com/corkrings Oh, I completely agree, Jim, I've never seen rings w/ large-enough holes; was definitely expecting that I'd be enlarging them to slip onto the bar. Typically, the outside diameter is close but varies slightly at best. When I've worked with the rings, I've put them on and then shaped them smooth (or into a specific shape.) Definitely would be a sanding job to get them evened up after installation Building them into grips, I've always glued between the rings. I think if you just use pressure, you are more likely to split them, and they will definitely spin if you don't use some light adhesive between them and the bar. Once on, it'd be possible to glue them together, or to the bar. The downside would be, if you needed to remove them, getting them off again w/o destroying them each time. (I'm thinking I'll have cyclocross interruptor levers, too, was thinking that it'd be nice to have a cork grip for them up there, is what started me thinking about this.)But you've got a point about them spinning The Miesha's grips are pressed cork (at least mine are). Cork rings (not the rubberized ones) are not (they do use cork dust glue to fill the natural gaps). I think the ones you might have the other grips that Riv has, just below the Meisha grips, which are the same ones my LBS has... the Meisha grips are made from rings (per their site). The thing I think would be trickiest would be the bends of the bar: the long straight sections shouldn't be bad, but the transitions between them would be, interesting... I was actually imagining having to clamp and miter cut some angled rings, more wedge-shaped, to use to make it smooth around the bends. Definitely would be a labor- intensive feat to get it on there 'right', and not just haphazardly thrown together. I may very well revert to the idea of shellacked cloth, cork tape, etc., and forgo cork altogether; but, I've assured SWMBO that I'd not be getting the frame from the shop until after the holidays, so I still have over a month or so until I start building, leaving me some more time to think on it. Thanks, -L -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Speaking of Cork grips…
This is like paste wax for furniture. From my experience with putting paste wax on wood, the feel is more, well, tactile than slippery. I guess that's the best way I can describe it. --dlloyd On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 23:42, charlie charles_v...@hotmail.com wrote: The look can be modified with wood stains before shellacking. The initial feel can be a little tacky at first but soon smooths out as you ride them. I wouldn't use wax, it can be slippery when really cold (think downhill skis) and melts to a gooey mess in the extreme heat. What I want in a grip is wellgrip! Thats my opinion and I'm sticking to it! I'll almost bet Grant and gang thought this one through at least a little bit and considered other options. On Nov 28, 4:27 pm, Ray r.sh...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Funny the cork grip thing came up (Great tactile minds think alike?). I was going to post the following question: What range of treatment do tou cork users put on the product? I have typically shellaced mine, but I'm always disappointed afterwards with the feel and look. Certainly I know you can use them just as untreated cork, but what about alternatives to shellac or varnish? I'm thinking bee's wax, linseed, or. . . (help me out, folks) Ray -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Speaking of Cork grips…
Shellac on grips is hardly new. I suspect if there were a practical alternative, it would have been found out by now. Which color/brand shellac have you tried? I used a fairly weak mix of the blonde flakes VO sells on a set of Riv Portuguese cork grips. It brought out the grain and base color, but otherwise did not change the look of the cork. I cannot really feel the difference from it and a non-treated cork grip. Of course, I probably will not have quite the dirt protection one gets from the heavier Bulls-Eye shellac. On Nov 28, 6:27 pm, Ray r.sh...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Funny the cork grip thing came up (Great tactile minds think alike?). I was going to post the following question: What range of treatment do tou cork users put on the product? I have typically shellaced mine, but I'm always disappointed afterwards with the feel and look. Certainly I know you can use them just as untreated cork, but what about alternatives to shellac or varnish? I'm thinking bee's wax, linseed, or. . . (help me out, folks) Ray -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Speaking of Cork grips…
Get 'em dirty with a few hundred miles of riding, then shellac. On Nov 28, 6:27 pm, Ray r.sh...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Funny the cork grip thing came up (Great tactile minds think alike?). I was going to post the following question: What range of treatment do tou cork users put on the product? I have typically shellaced mine, but I'm always disappointed afterwards with the feel and look. Certainly I know you can use them just as untreated cork, but what about alternatives to shellac or varnish? I'm thinking bee's wax, linseed, or. . . (help me out, folks) Ray -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Speaking of Cork grips…
But, that's my dilemma. I don't like feel of shellac. . . --- On Sat, 11/28/09, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com wrote: From: Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Speaking of Cork grips… To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Saturday, November 28, 2009, 7:50 PM Get 'em dirty with a few hundred miles of riding, then shellac. On Nov 28, 6:27 pm, Ray r.sh...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Funny the cork grip thing came up (Great tactile minds think alike?). I was going to post the following question: What range of treatment do tou cork users put on the product? I have typically shellaced mine, but I'm always disappointed afterwards with the feel and look. Certainly I know you can use them just as untreated cork, but what about alternatives to shellac or varnish? I'm thinking bee's wax, linseed, or. . . (help me out, folks) Ray -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Speaking of Cork grips…
Anything about it you don't like in particular? Cork can take about any finish you can put on wood, it just may soak up more of it (depending on what the finish is). I suppose you could coat it in marine spar vanish for the ultimate in all weather durability, but at $15 a set, it may not be worth the time. I find shellac to be more, well, tactile and grippy than other finishes I've put on cork or wood in the past (my main other experience with finishing cork is installing floors). You could try good ol' paste wax. Cheap at the hardware store. Just rub in and buff off, and re-live your inner Karate Kid. --dlloyd On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 22:24, Ray Shine r.sh...@sbcglobal.net wrote: But, that's my dilemma. I don't like feel of shellac. . . --- On *Sat, 11/28/09, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com*wrote: From: Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Speaking of Cork grips… To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Saturday, November 28, 2009, 7:50 PM Get 'em dirty with a few hundred miles of riding, then shellac. On Nov 28, 6:27 pm, Ray r.sh...@sbcglobal.nethttp://mc/compose?to=r.sh...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Funny the cork grip thing came up (Great tactile minds think alike?). I was going to post the following question: What range of treatment do tou cork users put on the product? I have typically shellaced mine, but I'm always disappointed afterwards with the feel and look. Certainly I know you can use them just as untreated cork, but what about alternatives to shellac or varnish? I'm thinking bee's wax, linseed, or. . . (help me out, folks) Ray -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comhttp://mc/compose?to=rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com . To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+ unsubscr...@googlegroups.comhttp://mc/compose?to=unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Speaking of Cork grips…
That's sorta what I had in mind, some sort of wax or rubbed in treatment. A light touch. --- On Sat, 11/28/09, Dave Lloyd dlloyd1...@gmail.com wrote: From: Dave Lloyd dlloyd1...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Speaking of Cork grips… To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Saturday, November 28, 2009, 8:27 PM Anything about it you don't like in particular? Cork can take about any finish you can put on wood, it just may soak up more of it (depending on what the finish is). I suppose you could coat it in marine spar vanish for the ultimate in all weather durability, but at $15 a set, it may not be worth the time. I find shellac to be more, well, tactile and grippy than other finishes I've put on cork or wood in the past (my main other experience with finishing cork is installing floors). You could try good ol' paste wax. Cheap at the hardware store. Just rub in and buff off, and re-live your inner Karate Kid. --dlloyd On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 22:24, Ray Shine r.sh...@sbcglobal.net wrote: But, that's my dilemma. I don't like feel of shellac. . . --- On Sat, 11/28/09, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com wrote: From: Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Speaking of Cork grips… To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Saturday, November 28, 2009, 7:50 PM Get 'em dirty with a few hundred miles of riding, then shellac. On Nov 28, 6:27 pm, Ray r.sh...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Funny the cork grip thing came up (Great tactile minds think alike?). I was going to post the following question: What range of treatment do tou cork users put on the product? I have typically shellaced mine, but I'm always disappointed afterwards with the feel and look. Certainly I know you can use them just as untreated cork, but what about alternatives to shellac or varnish? I'm thinking bee's wax, linseed, or. . . (help me out, folks) Ray -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Speaking of Cork grips…
In that case, I'd try the paste wax. Easy to touch up, too. You could try one thin coat of shellac on the cork, then paste wax on top of that as well. --dlloyd On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 22:33, Ray Shine r.sh...@sbcglobal.net wrote: That's sorta what I had in mind, some sort of wax or rubbed in treatment. A light touch. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Speaking of Cork grips…
The look can be modified with wood stains before shellacking. The initial feel can be a little tacky at first but soon smooths out as you ride them. I wouldn't use wax, it can be slippery when really cold (think downhill skis) and melts to a gooey mess in the extreme heat. What I want in a grip is wellgrip! Thats my opinion and I'm sticking to it! I'll almost bet Grant and gang thought this one through at least a little bit and considered other options. On Nov 28, 4:27 pm, Ray r.sh...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Funny the cork grip thing came up (Great tactile minds think alike?). I was going to post the following question: What range of treatment do tou cork users put on the product? I have typically shellaced mine, but I'm always disappointed afterwards with the feel and look. Certainly I know you can use them just as untreated cork, but what about alternatives to shellac or varnish? I'm thinking bee's wax, linseed, or. . . (help me out, folks) Ray -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
