[RBW] Re: Surly Cross Check sizing question
I ride a Rambouillet and a Traveler's Check. They're both good bikes and they are approximately the same size. I ride a 56cm frame and when I bought the Surly I ordered the closesst frame to that size: BB to top of seat tube. This is a dumb question but I'm going to ask it anyway. How does one size a bike by the length of the top tube? Don't you always have to measure the seat tube or the stand-over height? Seeking enlightenment. GeorgeS On Jul 2, 11:54 pm, Dan Abelson abelson@gmail.com wrote: I have a 54cm Quickbeam and ride a 52cm Crosscheck. The top tube feels a bit shorter on the Crosscheck but both fit. On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 2:11 PM, Gino Zahnd ginoza...@gmail.com wrote: For those of you who ride a Rivendell, and also ride a Surly Cross Check or Travelers Check, what are the sizing differences? It looks like top tube is going to be the best bet on sizing a Surly, but if you know of any amazing secrets, please let me in! I'm currently trying to decide whether or not to couple one of my Rivs for all the travel I do, or to just build up a Surly Travelers Check. Thanks, Gino- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Surly Cross Check sizing question
Buy one size down on the Cross-Check. The standover clearance in any given size is less generous than it would be on a Riv of the same size (higher BB, different measuring scheme, etc) However, I would encourage you to add couplers to a Riv. The Traveler's Check is a nice deal, but it's easier to pack a bike that has a threaded steerer. The threadless steerer is necessarily longer, and sometimes causes problems in packing. Not that it can't be done, but it's easier with the threaded style. On Jun 30, 2:11 pm, Gino Zahnd ginoza...@gmail.com wrote: For those of you who ride a Rivendell, and also ride a Surly Cross Check or Travelers Check, what are the sizing differences? It looks like top tube is going to be the best bet on sizing a Surly, but if you know of any amazing secrets, please let me in! I'm currently trying to decide whether or not to couple one of my Rivs for all the travel I do, or to just build up a Surly Travelers Check. Thanks, Gino --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Surly Cross Check sizing question
This is a dumb question but I'm going to ask it anyway. How does one size a bike by the length of the top tube? While I suppose there is some value to stand over height, TT length by far is more important. For the most part when using a bike, the rider is not standing but rather reaching forward to the handle bars. If the reach is too far or too close, it will not be comfortable riding the bike. Some bodies will be different of course, but for the most part if TT length is right, the rider is not going to have any trouble mounting and dismounting (which seems to me the only time standover really matters) On Jul 3, 9:53 am, GeorgeS chobur...@gmail.com wrote: I ride a Rambouillet and a Traveler's Check. They're both good bikes and they are approximately the same size. I ride a 56cm frame and when I bought the Surly I ordered the closesst frame to that size: BB to top of seat tube. This is a dumb question but I'm going to ask it anyway. How does one size a bike by the length of the top tube? Don't you always have to measure the seat tube or the stand-over height? Seeking enlightenment. GeorgeS On Jul 2, 11:54 pm, Dan Abelson abelson@gmail.com wrote: I have a 54cm Quickbeam and ride a 52cm Crosscheck. The top tube feels a bit shorter on the Crosscheck but both fit. On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 2:11 PM, Gino Zahnd ginoza...@gmail.com wrote: For those of you who ride a Rivendell, and also ride a Surly Cross Check or Travelers Check, what are the sizing differences? It looks like top tube is going to be the best bet on sizing a Surly, but if you know of any amazing secrets, please let me in! I'm currently trying to decide whether or not to couple one of my Rivs for all the travel I do, or to just build up a Surly Travelers Check. Thanks, Gino- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Surly Cross Check sizing question
It's not quite that simple. Since head tube and seat tube angles vary, it's possible to have, say, a longer TT on a certain bike, yet have a shorter/easier reach to the handlebars, or vice versa. On a custom bike I received awhile back, I asked that the TT be a tiny bit shorter than that on my Atlantis. When I got the frame, I measured and was horrified to see that it was actually about 1.5 cm longer! Turns out that even with a slightly longer stem, I feel less stretched out on the bike with the longer TT. Why is this? Well, I haven't bothered to do the trigonometry or even take detailed measurements. The bike works great, and I am happy. TT length is best taken as a ballpark frame sizing measurement, and I think many folks put too much emphasis on this single measurement. Like saddle height, it's essentially an adjustable measurement - you get a frame size that's close, and get a stem that gives a comfortable position. In this case, Surly frames come in 2 cm increments, and for those of us who have some idea of what works already, it's pretty easy to determine between which two frame sizes we fall. But Cross-Checks are taller than Rivendells, in any given size. So if someone had, say, a 58 cm Rambouillet with tight-ish standover, then a 58 cm Cross-Check may be downright uncomfortable in the standover area. Put 42 mm tires on it, and it's going to be even bigger. On Jul 3, 4:19 pm, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: This is a dumb question but I'm going to ask it anyway. How does one size a bike by the length of the top tube? While I suppose there is some value to stand over height, TT length by far is more important. For the most part when using a bike, the rider is not standing but rather reaching forward to the handle bars. If the reach is too far or too close, it will not be comfortable riding the bike. Some bodies will be different of course, but for the most part if TT length is right, the rider is not going to have any trouble mounting and dismounting (which seems to me the only time standover really matters) On Jul 3, 9:53 am, GeorgeS chobur...@gmail.com wrote: I ride a Rambouillet and a Traveler's Check. They're both good bikes and they are approximately the same size. I ride a 56cm frame and when I bought the Surly I ordered the closesst frame to that size: BB to top of seat tube. This is a dumb question but I'm going to ask it anyway. How does one size a bike by the length of the top tube? Don't you always have to measure the seat tube or the stand-over height? Seeking enlightenment. GeorgeS On Jul 2, 11:54 pm, Dan Abelson abelson@gmail.com wrote: I have a 54cm Quickbeam and ride a 52cm Crosscheck. The top tube feels a bit shorter on the Crosscheck but both fit. On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 2:11 PM, Gino Zahnd ginoza...@gmail.com wrote: For those of you who ride a Rivendell, and also ride a Surly Cross Check or Travelers Check, what are the sizing differences? It looks like top tube is going to be the best bet on sizing a Surly, but if you know of any amazing secrets, please let me in! I'm currently trying to decide whether or not to couple one of my Rivs for all the travel I do, or to just build up a Surly Travelers Check. Thanks, Gino- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Surly Cross Check sizing question
For those who may have missed it, there was an article in the last Rivendell Reader on the subject of top tube length with some useful explanatory illustrations. On Jul 3, 7:25 pm, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com wrote: It's not quite that simple. Since head tube and seat tube angles vary, it's possible to have, say, a longer TT on a certain bike, yet have a shorter/easier reach to the handlebars, or vice versa. On a custom bike I received awhile back, I asked that the TT be a tiny bit shorter than that on my Atlantis. When I got the frame, I measured and was horrified to see that it was actually about 1.5 cm longer! Turns out that even with a slightly longer stem, I feel less stretched out on the bike with the longer TT. Why is this? Well, I haven't bothered to do the trigonometry or even take detailed measurements. The bike works great, and I am happy. TT length is best taken as a ballpark frame sizing measurement, and I think many folks put too much emphasis on this single measurement. Like saddle height, it's essentially an adjustable measurement - you get a frame size that's close, and get a stem that gives a comfortable position. In this case, Surly frames come in 2 cm increments, and for those of us who have some idea of what works already, it's pretty easy to determine between which two frame sizes we fall. But Cross-Checks are taller than Rivendells, in any given size. So if someone had, say, a 58 cm Rambouillet with tight-ish standover, then a 58 cm Cross-Check may be downright uncomfortable in the standover area. Put 42 mm tires on it, and it's going to be even bigger. On Jul 3, 4:19 pm, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: This is a dumb question but I'm going to ask it anyway. How does one size a bike by the length of the top tube? While I suppose there is some value to stand over height, TT length by far is more important. For the most part when using a bike, the rider is not standing but rather reaching forward to the handle bars. If the reach is too far or too close, it will not be comfortable riding the bike. Some bodies will be different of course, but for the most part if TT length is right, the rider is not going to have any trouble mounting and dismounting (which seems to me the only time standover really matters) On Jul 3, 9:53 am, GeorgeS chobur...@gmail.com wrote: I ride a Rambouillet and a Traveler's Check. They're both good bikes and they are approximately the same size. I ride a 56cm frame and when I bought the Surly I ordered the closesst frame to that size: BB to top of seat tube. This is a dumb question but I'm going to ask it anyway. How does one size a bike by the length of the top tube? Don't you always have to measure the seat tube or the stand-over height? Seeking enlightenment. GeorgeS On Jul 2, 11:54 pm, Dan Abelson abelson@gmail.com wrote: I have a 54cm Quickbeam and ride a 52cm Crosscheck. The top tube feels a bit shorter on the Crosscheck but both fit. On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 2:11 PM, Gino Zahnd ginoza...@gmail.com wrote: For those of you who ride a Rivendell, and also ride a Surly Cross Check or Travelers Check, what are the sizing differences? It looks like top tube is going to be the best bet on sizing a Surly, but if you know of any amazing secrets, please let me in! I'm currently trying to decide whether or not to couple one of my Rivs for all the travel I do, or to just build up a Surly Travelers Check. Thanks, Gino- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Surly Cross Check sizing question
I guess I never got around to reading the article. GP does discount TT length, although not in favor of stand over. He focuses on seat tube angle, saddle and handlebar height. I remain unconvinced that stand over is a more significant measure than TT. I put 60 Big Apples on a bike that is already a bit taller than my other bikes. Sure, getting on and off the bike is awkward. But the only difference I notice in the ride and handling is the cush feel that are BA's call to fame. Which would seem consistent with GP's theory, as seat tube angle and relative saddle and handle bar height have not changed. On Jul 3, 9:41 pm, Aaron Thomas aaron.a.tho...@gmail.com wrote: For those who may have missed it, there was an article in the last Rivendell Reader on the subject of top tube length with some useful explanatory illustrations. On Jul 3, 7:25 pm, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com wrote: It's not quite that simple. Since head tube and seat tube angles vary, it's possible to have, say, a longer TT on a certain bike, yet have a shorter/easier reach to the handlebars, or vice versa. On a custom bike I received awhile back, I asked that the TT be a tiny bit shorter than that on my Atlantis. When I got the frame, I measured and was horrified to see that it was actually about 1.5 cm longer! Turns out that even with a slightly longer stem, I feel less stretched out on the bike with the longer TT. Why is this? Well, I haven't bothered to do the trigonometry or even take detailed measurements. The bike works great, and I am happy. TT length is best taken as a ballpark frame sizing measurement, and I think many folks put too much emphasis on this single measurement. Like saddle height, it's essentially an adjustable measurement - you get a frame size that's close, and get a stem that gives a comfortable position. In this case, Surly frames come in 2 cm increments, and for those of us who have some idea of what works already, it's pretty easy to determine between which two frame sizes we fall. But Cross-Checks are taller than Rivendells, in any given size. So if someone had, say, a 58 cm Rambouillet with tight-ish standover, then a 58 cm Cross-Check may be downright uncomfortable in the standover area. Put 42 mm tires on it, and it's going to be even bigger. On Jul 3, 4:19 pm, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: This is a dumb question but I'm going to ask it anyway. How does one size a bike by the length of the top tube? While I suppose there is some value to stand over height, TT length by far is more important. For the most part when using a bike, the rider is not standing but rather reaching forward to the handle bars. If the reach is too far or too close, it will not be comfortable riding the bike. Some bodies will be different of course, but for the most part if TT length is right, the rider is not going to have any trouble mounting and dismounting (which seems to me the only time standover really matters) On Jul 3, 9:53 am, GeorgeS chobur...@gmail.com wrote: I ride a Rambouillet and a Traveler's Check. They're both good bikes and they are approximately the same size. I ride a 56cm frame and when I bought the Surly I ordered the closesst frame to that size: BB to top of seat tube. This is a dumb question but I'm going to ask it anyway. How does one size a bike by the length of the top tube? Don't you always have to measure the seat tube or the stand-over height? Seeking enlightenment. GeorgeS On Jul 2, 11:54 pm, Dan Abelson abelson@gmail.com wrote: I have a 54cm Quickbeam and ride a 52cm Crosscheck. The top tube feels a bit shorter on the Crosscheck but both fit. On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 2:11 PM, Gino Zahnd ginoza...@gmail.com wrote: For those of you who ride a Rivendell, and also ride a Surly Cross Check or Travelers Check, what are the sizing differences? It looks like top tube is going to be the best bet on sizing a Surly, but if you know of any amazing secrets, please let me in! I'm currently trying to decide whether or not to couple one of my Rivs for all the travel I do, or to just build up a Surly Travelers Check. Thanks, Gino- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Surly Cross Check sizing question
I have a 54cm Quickbeam and ride a 52cm Crosscheck. The top tube feels a bit shorter on the Crosscheck but both fit. On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 2:11 PM, Gino Zahnd ginoza...@gmail.com wrote: For those of you who ride a Rivendell, and also ride a Surly Cross Check or Travelers Check, what are the sizing differences? It looks like top tube is going to be the best bet on sizing a Surly, but if you know of any amazing secrets, please let me in! I'm currently trying to decide whether or not to couple one of my Rivs for all the travel I do, or to just build up a Surly Travelers Check. Thanks, Gino --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Surly Cross Check sizing question
Hi, I have a CC 58cm and also a Bleriot 59cm...the Surly has a bit longer TT and also surprisingly is taller than the Bleriot even though the specs say this should be reversed.For me the main difference is handlebar riseI am using the fork without the stem cut...and still it feels short to me...by about 1.5-3 cmwhere on the Bleriot I can use a dirt drop or technomic stem depending upon the height I need. That being said I like the CC fine and both bikes are set up with albatross bars. On Jun 30, 3:25 pm, Bill Connell bconn...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 2:11 PM, Gino Zahndginoza...@gmail.com wrote: For those of you who ride a Rivendell, and also ride a Surly Cross Check or Travelers Check, what are the sizing differences? It looks like top tube is going to be the best bet on sizing a Surly, but if you know of any amazing secrets, please let me in! I'm currently trying to decide whether or not to couple one of my Rivs for all the travel I do, or to just build up a Surly Travelers Check. I have both - i ride a 65cm Redwood and a 62cm CrossCheck, and the fit is very similar. I have a 2cm shorter stem on the CrossCheck, but same bars and saddle. I haven't measured precisely, but the contact points are almost identical between the two, mainly the bars are about 1-2cm lower on the CrossCheck. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Surly Cross Check sizing question
Riv builds a bike around and individual, I suspect , taking into account the torso. With a Surly you try to fit yourself around the bike. I used similar PBH ideas to match myself to a Surly K.M. only in inches. My PBH is right at 32 until I add shoes which makes it about 32 1/2. I *should* have gone with the smallest K.M. frame to my size (16) but I did'nt want so many toe jam issues so I went with a size 18 frame. (Knowing that I could use an Albatross to fine tune the torso issue.) It turns out that this was the most comefortable ride I've ever owned. When I stop I do have to sort of hop down but I don't feel that that sort of Cadallac comfort of an oversized frame should be compromised. I used the same idea for the Surly Inst. and got a frame slightly smaller for more controlled winter riding. The kind where you might have to perform controlled bailouts on ice yet still get that sort of snowplow effect in lower gears. That said I can only imagine what sort of critter the Bombidel would be like :) On Jun 30, 3:11 pm, Gino Zahnd ginoza...@gmail.com wrote: For those of you who ride a Rivendell, and also ride a Surly Cross Check or Travelers Check, what are the sizing differences? It looks like top tube is going to be the best bet on sizing a Surly, but if you know of any amazing secrets, please let me in! I'm currently trying to decide whether or not to couple one of my Rivs for all the travel I do, or to just build up a Surly Travelers Check. Thanks, Gino --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Surly Cross Check sizing question
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 3:11 PM, Gino Zahndginoza...@gmail.com wrote: For those of you who ride a Rivendell, and also ride a Surly Cross Check or Travelers Check, what are the sizing differences? It looks like top tube is going to be the best bet on sizing a Surly, but if you know of any amazing secrets, please let me in! I'm currently trying to decide whether or not to couple one of my Rivs for all the travel I do, or to just build up a Surly Travelers Check. I don't know of how they fit exactly - but I did run across this the other day - if you're tall it is a heckof a deal http://www.jensonusa.com/store/product/ZZ282A16-Surly+Cross+Check+Frameset+08-09.aspx -sv --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Surly Cross Check sizing question
Hi Gino, I own and ride a 55cm Romulus, and a 55cm Bleriot and they fit and ride beautifully for my five foot six inch body with an 80cm PBH. I also own and ride a 52cm Surly cross check, and it too fits and rides very well. The various strengths and weaknesses of the products from both companies have been well discussed in this group over the years, so I'll not fan those flames. The data point I'm offering you supports your premise that Surly's are best sized by top tube length. ( and Rivendell's remain best sized by PBH ) Hope this helps, Jon Cameron. On Jun 30, 2:11 pm, Gino Zahnd ginoza...@gmail.com wrote: For those of you who ride a Rivendell, and also ride a Surly Cross Check or Travelers Check, what are the sizing differences? It looks like top tube is going to be the best bet on sizing a Surly, but if you know of any amazing secrets, please let me in! I'm currently trying to decide whether or not to couple one of my Rivs for all the travel I do, or to just build up a Surly Travelers Check. Thanks, Gino --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Surly Cross Check sizing question
Thanks Jon. Yeah, I don't want to get into the strengths and weaknesses. I know them. Just want to know the proper size. :-) On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 12:22 PM, Jon Cameron j.cameron4...@sbcglobal.netwrote: Hi Gino, I own and ride a 55cm Romulus, and a 55cm Bleriot and they fit and ride beautifully for my five foot six inch body with an 80cm PBH. I also own and ride a 52cm Surly cross check, and it too fits and rides very well. The various strengths and weaknesses of the products from both companies have been well discussed in this group over the years, so I'll not fan those flames. The data point I'm offering you supports your premise that Surly's are best sized by top tube length. ( and Rivendell's remain best sized by PBH ) Hope this helps, Jon Cameron. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Surly Cross Check sizing question
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 2:11 PM, Gino Zahndginoza...@gmail.com wrote: For those of you who ride a Rivendell, and also ride a Surly Cross Check or Travelers Check, what are the sizing differences? It looks like top tube is going to be the best bet on sizing a Surly, but if you know of any amazing secrets, please let me in! I'm currently trying to decide whether or not to couple one of my Rivs for all the travel I do, or to just build up a Surly Travelers Check. I have both - i ride a 65cm Redwood and a 62cm CrossCheck, and the fit is very similar. I have a 2cm shorter stem on the CrossCheck, but same bars and saddle. I haven't measured precisely, but the contact points are almost identical between the two, mainly the bars are about 1-2cm lower on the CrossCheck. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Surly Cross Check sizing question
Hey Gino, like Jon say, size it by TT, not PBH. That's the answer you're looking for. Good luck. Did you see that Gunnar now makes a touring bike? On Jun 30, 5:37 pm, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: I have a 60cm CC and a 62cm Rambouillet and 63cm Hilsen. The 60cm Surly feels a tad out of whack because the head tube is short, making it difficult to get the bars at the right height. I did try a 62cm CC years ago and it felt way too big but that was before I had a Riv. I definitely wouldn't get a 62cm CC even now. Because of the higher BB height the CC feels odd with large tires on it. If I were going to do it over again I'd get an LHT which has a much taller headtube. Why don't you just couple the Bleriot you have? --mike On Jun 30, 12:25 pm, Bill Connell bconn...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 2:11 PM, Gino Zahndginoza...@gmail.com wrote: For those of you who ride a Rivendell, and also ride a Surly Cross Check or Travelers Check, what are the sizing differences? It looks like top tube is going to be the best bet on sizing a Surly, but if you know of any amazing secrets, please let me in! I'm currently trying to decide whether or not to couple one of my Rivs for all the travel I do, or to just build up a Surly Travelers Check. I have both - i ride a 65cm Redwood and a 62cm CrossCheck, and the fit is very similar. I have a 2cm shorter stem on the CrossCheck, but same bars and saddle. I haven't measured precisely, but the contact points are almost identical between the two, mainly the bars are about 1-2cm lower on the CrossCheck. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Surly Cross Check sizing question
I agree on the TT sizing. Also, if you can, buy it with the steerer uncut so you can get the bars where you want them. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 7:40 PM, Mikemjawn...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Gino, like Jon say, size it by TT, not PBH. That's the answer you're looking for. Good luck. Did you see that Gunnar now makes a touring bike? On Jun 30, 5:37 pm, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: I have a 60cm CC and a 62cm Rambouillet and 63cm Hilsen. The 60cm Surly feels a tad out of whack because the head tube is short, making it difficult to get the bars at the right height. I did try a 62cm CC years ago and it felt way too big but that was before I had a Riv. I definitely wouldn't get a 62cm CC even now. Because of the higher BB height the CC feels odd with large tires on it. If I were going to do it over again I'd get an LHT which has a much taller headtube. Why don't you just couple the Bleriot you have? --mike On Jun 30, 12:25 pm, Bill Connell bconn...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 2:11 PM, Gino Zahndginoza...@gmail.com wrote: For those of you who ride a Rivendell, and also ride a Surly Cross Check or Travelers Check, what are the sizing differences? It looks like top tube is going to be the best bet on sizing a Surly, but if you know of any amazing secrets, please let me in! I'm currently trying to decide whether or not to couple one of my Rivs for all the travel I do, or to just build up a Surly Travelers Check. I have both - i ride a 65cm Redwood and a 62cm CrossCheck, and the fit is very similar. I have a 2cm shorter stem on the CrossCheck, but same bars and saddle. I haven't measured precisely, but the contact points are almost identical between the two, mainly the bars are about 1-2cm lower on the CrossCheck. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Surly Cross Check sizing question
Another one for TT sizing. In fact, Eric of Surly told me that. After seeing me ride a 62cm Cross Check. Way too big for me. Made it work with Albatross bars. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Jun 30, 7:50�pm, Bill Connell bconn...@gmail.com wrote: I agree on the TT sizing. Also, if you can, buy it with the steerer uncut so you can get the bars where you want them. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 7:40 PM, Mikemjawn...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Gino, like Jon say, size it by TT, not PBH. That's the answer you're looking for. Good luck. Did you see that Gunnar now makes a touring bike? On Jun 30, 5:37�pm, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: I have a 60cm CC and a 62cm Rambouillet and 63cm Hilsen. The 60cm Surly feels a tad out of whack because the head tube is short, making it difficult to get the bars at the right height. I did try a 62cm CC years ago and it felt way too big but that was before I had a Riv. I definitely wouldn't get a 62cm CC even now. Because of the higher BB height the CC feels odd with large tires on it. If I were going to do it over again I'd get an LHT which has a much taller headtube. Why don't you just couple the Bleriot you have? --mike On Jun 30, 12:25�pm, Bill Connell bconn...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 2:11 PM, Gino Zahndginoza...@gmail.com wrote: For those of you who ride a Rivendell, and also ride a Surly Cross Check or Travelers Check, what are the sizing differences? It looks like top tube is going to be the best bet on sizing a Surly, but if you know of any amazing secrets, please let me in! I'm currently trying to decide whether or not to couple one of my Rivs for all the travel I do, or to just build up a Surly Travelers Check. I have both - i ride a 65cm Redwood and a 62cm CrossCheck, and the fit is very similar. I have a 2cm shorter stem on the CrossCheck, but same bars and saddle. I haven't measured precisely, but the contact points are almost identical between the two, mainly the bars are about 1-2cm lower on the CrossCheck. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Surly Cross Check sizing question
I had a 54 cm CC that seemed to work. Had a 57 Bleriot and 58 Saluki. On Jun 30, 5:57 pm, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote: Another one for TT sizing. In fact, Eric of Surly told me that. After seeing me ride a 62cm Cross Check. Way too big for me. Made it work with Albatross bars. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Jun 30, 7:50 pm, Bill Connell bconn...@gmail.com wrote: I agree on the TT sizing. Also, if you can, buy it with the steerer uncut so you can get the bars where you want them. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 7:40 PM, Mikemjawn...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Gino, like Jon say, size it by TT, not PBH. That's the answer you're looking for. Good luck. Did you see that Gunnar now makes a touring bike? On Jun 30, 5:37 pm, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: I have a 60cm CC and a 62cm Rambouillet and 63cm Hilsen. The 60cm Surly feels a tad out of whack because the head tube is short, making it difficult to get the bars at the right height. I did try a 62cm CC years ago and it felt way too big but that was before I had a Riv. I definitely wouldn't get a 62cm CC even now. Because of the higher BB height the CC feels odd with large tires on it. If I were going to do it over again I'd get an LHT which has a much taller headtube. Why don't you just couple the Bleriot you have? --mike On Jun 30, 12:25 pm, Bill Connell bconn...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 2:11 PM, Gino Zahndginoza...@gmail.com wrote: For those of you who ride a Rivendell, and also ride a Surly Cross Check or Travelers Check, what are the sizing differences? It looks like top tube is going to be the best bet on sizing a Surly, but if you know of any amazing secrets, please let me in! I'm currently trying to decide whether or not to couple one of my Rivs for all the travel I do, or to just build up a Surly Travelers Check. I have both - i ride a 65cm Redwood and a 62cm CrossCheck, and the fit is very similar. I have a 2cm shorter stem on the CrossCheck, but same bars and saddle. I haven't measured precisely, but the contact points are almost identical between the two, mainly the bars are about 1-2cm lower on the CrossCheck. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Surly Cross Check sizing question
Why not couple your Ram? Speed and All day comfort. The Surely can't hold a candle imho. Cheers, Chris P.S. I want to thank whoever directed me to the Hubbub.com web site for the Mixing Components question. My LBS tried to sell me on a more costly and less desirable 10 speed Campagnolo solution, and I directed him to the link you provided. He admitted it could be done and would do it for me. I have donated some of the money I saved in a local beer drive in your honor. Really, thanks! On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 12:11 PM, Gino Zahndginoza...@gmail.com wrote: For those of you who ride a Rivendell, and also ride a Surly Cross Check or Travelers Check, what are the sizing differences? It looks like top tube is going to be the best bet on sizing a Surly, but if you know of any amazing secrets, please let me in! I'm currently trying to decide whether or not to couple one of my Rivs for all the travel I do, or to just build up a Surly Travelers Check. Thanks, Gino --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
