Re: [RBW] Re: Things I Regret: Beausage on Vacation

[Joe Bernard]

I love that she has a van big enough to hold four bicycles AND a fully-loaded 
4-bike rack as long as the van 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Things I Regret: Beausage on Vacation

[Mark Roland]

"Hello, Coeur d'Alene? Hi, this is Leah.
Yes, I'd like a suite overlooking... my bicycles."


On Saturday, July 18, 2020 at 5:05:10 PM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:
>
> Matthew, I laughed out LOUD. It’s obscene, I know. Three Rivendells - how 
> did I even get to this point?
>
> We made it home yesterday, with all 4 bikes.  I drove 14 hours one day and 
> 10 the next. Here’s a photo of my van with bikes in the hotel parking lot 
> in Idaho Falls, ID. Our room’s window looked right down on the van, for 
> which I was grateful. I have 4 u-locks securing the bikes and hoped that 
> was enough. It’s truck country in those parts, lots of folks heading to 
> Yellowstone, and they weren’t much interested in bikes. I figured they’d be 
> safe and I was right.
>
> Look at all those baskets!
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jul 18, 2020, at 1:57 PM, Matthew P  > wrote:
>
> 
> I vote for beausage over buying plastic wrappers to put on our bikes and 
> then throw in the ocean...I mean...grocery store "recycling" bin.
>
> Me passing Leah's car with bikes on rack:
> Do-do-dokids bike on rack. Other ones are probably just beach cruisers.
> Oh my lord is that a Rivendell.
> Oh my lord's lord!  There 3 f-ing Rivendells on that car!
> Crash, burn.
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, July 15, 2020 at 3:57:31 AM UTC-7, ascpgh wrote:
>>
>> 5" packaging stretch wrap on a handle. 
>> https://www.officedepot.com/a/products/444327/Office-Depot-Brand-Stretch-Wrap-Film/
>>
>> I got one of these (mine from Home Depot) for something around here and I 
>> use it for more ways than they could put in the packaging. It's just the 
>> thing for wrapping headsets to prevent highway speed lube blowout/rain 
>> washout, the junction of seatpost to seat tube, saddles to create a 
>> protective cover that won't flutter/fail if you finish it off with nicely 
>> applied piece of packing tape. You can also wrap potential points along the 
>> frame or parts that my rub or be touched others. Not helicopter tape, but 
>> comes off. A little scissors cut (Those Swiss Army Knives) at the edge and 
>> the whole thickness of many wrapped layers can be removed at once. 
>>
>> Also used it to bind stacks of old hardwood flooring curated for later 
>> use, keeping parts of furniture together for transport, as an overwrap to 
>> keep a balm on a foot/ankle instead of soaking into a sock/shoe and to hold 
>> a big gauze on a cleaned and covered abrasion that no self-adhesive 
>> equivalent will fit or stay on longer than five minutes. 
>>
>> The worst "in-transit" beausage I've seen was wheel related (you are 
>> thankfully free from the horror of these with your rack). A wheel's rim 
>> braking surface gouged deeply by a pedal was one. Can't fix that other than 
>> sanding it smooth as functionally possible so the brake pad can pass over 
>> it without grabbing and making a loud "thonk" while still moving.  The 
>> other was a spot-fried until blown out tire of the bike nearest the 
>> exhaust. Not a proximity noticed when loading since most vehicles are 
>> discrete about their exhaust pipes. Then you're going down the road and 
>> hear a gunshot-like sound. You don't immediately see the scorched part of 
>> tire when you stop to look, but that one is flat and wonder how.  When the 
>> other side facing the exhaust is discovered, then you immediately know what 
>> happened and that you'll need a new tire and tube. 
>>
>> Andy Cheatham
>> Pittsburgh
>> On Tuesday, July 14, 2020 at 3:56:58 PM UTC-4 Scott G. wrote:
>>
>>> Plastic bags first, then some packaging stretch film, them some clear 
>>> packing tape
>>> to secure the stretch film. Zip tie  the pipe insulation.
>>> I do the above routine for the seat, and shifty bits on the handlebars.
>>> Carry the tape & film with you on the trip, you can make repairs at rest 
>>> stops.
>>> Think like an Egyptian Embalmer, wrap for the ages.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, July 14, 2020 at 7:18:14 AM UTC-4 Julian Westerhout wrote:
>>>
 It is time to buy a small enclosed cargo trailer! 

 :) 


 For the saddles double plastic bag them, tape the bottom, and then put 
 on a saddle cover so the bags don't shred in the wind. They'll stay dry 
 that way. 

 Julian Westerhout
 Bloomington, IL 


 On Monday, July 13, 2020 at 4:08:50 PM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
 wrote:
>
> Every year I point the van north and drive from Vegas to small town 
> North Dakota, and the lakes country of Minnesota. And every year I drag 
> 3-4 
> bikes along with us on a Saris rack. I’ve gone through several different 
> bikes in the past several years (the kids are growing, I switched to That 
> Clem Life, etc) so I’ve never found an exact formula to make the bikes 
> fit 
> perfectly. This year I hauled my new ln 52 cm Clementine 
> (2019 
> geo), the old 1st gen 52 cm blue Clem H, #theClemRider’s  little 45 cm 
> 2018 
> 

Re: [RBW] Re: Things I Regret: Beausage on Vacation

[Matthew P]

Riv quiver. Basket party indeed.


On Saturday, July 18, 2020 at 2:05:10 PM UTC-7, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:
>
> Matthew, I laughed out LOUD. It’s obscene, I know. Three Rivendells - how 
> did I even get to this point?
>
> We made it home yesterday, with all 4 bikes.  I drove 14 hours one day and 
> 10 the next. Here’s a photo of my van with bikes in the hotel parking lot 
> in Idaho Falls, ID. Our room’s window looked right down on the van, for 
> which I was grateful. I have 4 u-locks securing the bikes and hoped that 
> was enough. It’s truck country in those parts, lots of folks heading to 
> Yellowstone, and they weren’t much interested in bikes. I figured they’d be 
> safe and I was right.
>
> Look at all those baskets!
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jul 18, 2020, at 1:57 PM, Matthew P  > wrote:
>
> 
> I vote for beausage over buying plastic wrappers to put on our bikes and 
> then throw in the ocean...I mean...grocery store "recycling" bin.
>
> Me passing Leah's car with bikes on rack:
> Do-do-dokids bike on rack. Other ones are probably just beach cruisers.
> Oh my lord is that a Rivendell.
> Oh my lord's lord!  There 3 f-ing Rivendells on that car!
> Crash, burn.
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, July 15, 2020 at 3:57:31 AM UTC-7, ascpgh wrote:
>>
>> 5" packaging stretch wrap on a handle. 
>> https://www.officedepot.com/a/products/444327/Office-Depot-Brand-Stretch-Wrap-Film/
>>
>> I got one of these (mine from Home Depot) for something around here and I 
>> use it for more ways than they could put in the packaging. It's just the 
>> thing for wrapping headsets to prevent highway speed lube blowout/rain 
>> washout, the junction of seatpost to seat tube, saddles to create a 
>> protective cover that won't flutter/fail if you finish it off with nicely 
>> applied piece of packing tape. You can also wrap potential points along the 
>> frame or parts that my rub or be touched others. Not helicopter tape, but 
>> comes off. A little scissors cut (Those Swiss Army Knives) at the edge and 
>> the whole thickness of many wrapped layers can be removed at once. 
>>
>> Also used it to bind stacks of old hardwood flooring curated for later 
>> use, keeping parts of furniture together for transport, as an overwrap to 
>> keep a balm on a foot/ankle instead of soaking into a sock/shoe and to hold 
>> a big gauze on a cleaned and covered abrasion that no self-adhesive 
>> equivalent will fit or stay on longer than five minutes. 
>>
>> The worst "in-transit" beausage I've seen was wheel related (you are 
>> thankfully free from the horror of these with your rack). A wheel's rim 
>> braking surface gouged deeply by a pedal was one. Can't fix that other than 
>> sanding it smooth as functionally possible so the brake pad can pass over 
>> it without grabbing and making a loud "thonk" while still moving.  The 
>> other was a spot-fried until blown out tire of the bike nearest the 
>> exhaust. Not a proximity noticed when loading since most vehicles are 
>> discrete about their exhaust pipes. Then you're going down the road and 
>> hear a gunshot-like sound. You don't immediately see the scorched part of 
>> tire when you stop to look, but that one is flat and wonder how.  When the 
>> other side facing the exhaust is discovered, then you immediately know what 
>> happened and that you'll need a new tire and tube. 
>>
>> Andy Cheatham
>> Pittsburgh
>> On Tuesday, July 14, 2020 at 3:56:58 PM UTC-4 Scott G. wrote:
>>
>>> Plastic bags first, then some packaging stretch film, them some clear 
>>> packing tape
>>> to secure the stretch film. Zip tie  the pipe insulation.
>>> I do the above routine for the seat, and shifty bits on the handlebars.
>>> Carry the tape & film with you on the trip, you can make repairs at rest 
>>> stops.
>>> Think like an Egyptian Embalmer, wrap for the ages.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, July 14, 2020 at 7:18:14 AM UTC-4 Julian Westerhout wrote:
>>>
 It is time to buy a small enclosed cargo trailer! 

 :) 


 For the saddles double plastic bag them, tape the bottom, and then put 
 on a saddle cover so the bags don't shred in the wind. They'll stay dry 
 that way. 

 Julian Westerhout
 Bloomington, IL 


 On Monday, July 13, 2020 at 4:08:50 PM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
 wrote:
>
> Every year I point the van north and drive from Vegas to small town 
> North Dakota, and the lakes country of Minnesota. And every year I drag 
> 3-4 
> bikes along with us on a Saris rack. I’ve gone through several different 
> bikes in the past several years (the kids are growing, I switched to That 
> Clem Life, etc) so I’ve never found an exact formula to make the bikes 
> fit 
> perfectly. This year I hauled my new ln 52 cm Clementine 
> (2019 
> geo), the old 1st gen 52 cm blue Clem H, #theClemRider’s  little 45 cm 
> 2018 
> Clem H, and Baby Bear’s 24 inch Specialized Hot Rock.
>

[RBW] Re: Things I Regret: Beausage on Vacation

[Matthew P]

I vote for beausage over buying plastic wrappers to put on our bikes and 
then throw in the ocean...I mean...grocery store "recycling" bin.

Me passing Leah's car with bikes on rack:
Do-do-dokids bike on rack. Other ones are probably just beach cruisers.
Oh my lord is that a Rivendell.
Oh my lord's lord!  There 3 f-ing Rivendells on that car!
Crash, burn.



On Wednesday, July 15, 2020 at 3:57:31 AM UTC-7, ascpgh wrote:
>
> 5" packaging stretch wrap on a handle. 
> https://www.officedepot.com/a/products/444327/Office-Depot-Brand-Stretch-Wrap-Film/
>
> I got one of these (mine from Home Depot) for something around here and I 
> use it for more ways than they could put in the packaging. It's just the 
> thing for wrapping headsets to prevent highway speed lube blowout/rain 
> washout, the junction of seatpost to seat tube, saddles to create a 
> protective cover that won't flutter/fail if you finish it off with nicely 
> applied piece of packing tape. You can also wrap potential points along the 
> frame or parts that my rub or be touched others. Not helicopter tape, but 
> comes off. A little scissors cut (Those Swiss Army Knives) at the edge and 
> the whole thickness of many wrapped layers can be removed at once. 
>
> Also used it to bind stacks of old hardwood flooring curated for later 
> use, keeping parts of furniture together for transport, as an overwrap to 
> keep a balm on a foot/ankle instead of soaking into a sock/shoe and to hold 
> a big gauze on a cleaned and covered abrasion that no self-adhesive 
> equivalent will fit or stay on longer than five minutes. 
>
> The worst "in-transit" beausage I've seen was wheel related (you are 
> thankfully free from the horror of these with your rack). A wheel's rim 
> braking surface gouged deeply by a pedal was one. Can't fix that other than 
> sanding it smooth as functionally possible so the brake pad can pass over 
> it without grabbing and making a loud "thonk" while still moving.  The 
> other was a spot-fried until blown out tire of the bike nearest the 
> exhaust. Not a proximity noticed when loading since most vehicles are 
> discrete about their exhaust pipes. Then you're going down the road and 
> hear a gunshot-like sound. You don't immediately see the scorched part of 
> tire when you stop to look, but that one is flat and wonder how.  When the 
> other side facing the exhaust is discovered, then you immediately know what 
> happened and that you'll need a new tire and tube. 
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
> On Tuesday, July 14, 2020 at 3:56:58 PM UTC-4 Scott G. wrote:
>
>> Plastic bags first, then some packaging stretch film, them some clear 
>> packing tape
>> to secure the stretch film. Zip tie  the pipe insulation.
>> I do the above routine for the seat, and shifty bits on the handlebars.
>> Carry the tape & film with you on the trip, you can make repairs at rest 
>> stops.
>> Think like an Egyptian Embalmer, wrap for the ages.
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 14, 2020 at 7:18:14 AM UTC-4 Julian Westerhout wrote:
>>
>>> It is time to buy a small enclosed cargo trailer! 
>>>
>>> :) 
>>>
>>>
>>> For the saddles double plastic bag them, tape the bottom, and then put 
>>> on a saddle cover so the bags don't shred in the wind. They'll stay dry 
>>> that way. 
>>>
>>> Julian Westerhout
>>> Bloomington, IL 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, July 13, 2020 at 4:08:50 PM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:

 Every year I point the van north and drive from Vegas to small town 
 North Dakota, and the lakes country of Minnesota. And every year I drag 
 3-4 
 bikes along with us on a Saris rack. I’ve gone through several different 
 bikes in the past several years (the kids are growing, I switched to That 
 Clem Life, etc) so I’ve never found an exact formula to make the bikes fit 
 perfectly. This year I hauled my new ln 52 cm Clementine (2019 
 geo), the old 1st gen 52 cm blue Clem H, #theClemRider’s  little 45 cm 
 2018 
 Clem H, and Baby Bear’s 24 inch Specialized Hot Rock.

 I never regret bringing my bikes, but I do admit I lament that they 
 come back to Vegas in poorer condition than when they left. We always get 
 caught in a rainstorm at some point, and usually more than once. After 
 that 
 I always notice creaking where there hadn’t been, rust on the heads of 
 bolts or inside the braze-ons. I usually have new scuffs from the bikes 
 knocking together on the rack, dirt and grit where I hadn’t had it before. 
 One year I drove to a shooting range on 20 miles’ worth of gravel roads 
 and 
 the bikes were completely trashed at a level you can’t fathom. The Betty 
 Foy (now sold) had a permanent ugly mark on the top tube where the arm bar 
 of the rack had mashed the cable into the paint.

 You would think I would learn and get this dialed in but I never really 
 do. This year was really something - when was the last time you 

[RBW] Re: Things I Regret: Beausage on Vacation

[ascpgh]

5" packaging stretch wrap on a handle. 
https://www.officedepot.com/a/products/444327/Office-Depot-Brand-Stretch-Wrap-Film/

I got one of these (mine from Home Depot) for something around here and I 
use it for more ways than they could put in the packaging. It's just the 
thing for wrapping headsets to prevent highway speed lube blowout/rain 
washout, the junction of seatpost to seat tube, saddles to create a 
protective cover that won't flutter/fail if you finish it off with nicely 
applied piece of packing tape. You can also wrap potential points along the 
frame or parts that my rub or be touched others. Not helicopter tape, but 
comes off. A little scissors cut (Those Swiss Army Knives) at the edge and 
the whole thickness of many wrapped layers can be removed at once. 

Also used it to bind stacks of old hardwood flooring curated for later use, 
keeping parts of furniture together for transport, as an overwrap to keep a 
balm on a foot/ankle instead of soaking into a sock/shoe and to hold a big 
gauze on a cleaned and covered abrasion that no self-adhesive equivalent 
will fit or stay on longer than five minutes. 

The worst "in-transit" beausage I've seen was wheel related (you are 
thankfully free from the horror of these with your rack). A wheel's rim 
braking surface gouged deeply by a pedal was one. Can't fix that other than 
sanding it smooth as functionally possible so the brake pad can pass over 
it without grabbing and making a loud "thonk" while still moving.  The 
other was a spot-fried until blown out tire of the bike nearest the 
exhaust. Not a proximity noticed when loading since most vehicles are 
discrete about their exhaust pipes. Then you're going down the road and 
hear a gunshot-like sound. You don't immediately see the scorched part of 
tire when you stop to look, but that one is flat and wonder how.  When the 
other side facing the exhaust is discovered, then you immediately know what 
happened and that you'll need a new tire and tube. 

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh
On Tuesday, July 14, 2020 at 3:56:58 PM UTC-4 Scott G. wrote:

> Plastic bags first, then some packaging stretch film, them some clear 
> packing tape
> to secure the stretch film. Zip tie  the pipe insulation.
> I do the above routine for the seat, and shifty bits on the handlebars.
> Carry the tape & film with you on the trip, you can make repairs at rest 
> stops.
> Think like an Egyptian Embalmer, wrap for the ages.
>
> On Tuesday, July 14, 2020 at 7:18:14 AM UTC-4 Julian Westerhout wrote:
>
>> It is time to buy a small enclosed cargo trailer! 
>>
>> :) 
>>
>>
>> For the saddles double plastic bag them, tape the bottom, and then put on 
>> a saddle cover so the bags don't shred in the wind. They'll stay dry that 
>> way. 
>>
>> Julian Westerhout
>> Bloomington, IL 
>>
>>
>> On Monday, July 13, 2020 at 4:08:50 PM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Every year I point the van north and drive from Vegas to small town 
>>> North Dakota, and the lakes country of Minnesota. And every year I drag 3-4 
>>> bikes along with us on a Saris rack. I’ve gone through several different 
>>> bikes in the past several years (the kids are growing, I switched to That 
>>> Clem Life, etc) so I’ve never found an exact formula to make the bikes fit 
>>> perfectly. This year I hauled my new ln 52 cm Clementine (2019 
>>> geo), the old 1st gen 52 cm blue Clem H, #theClemRider’s  little 45 cm 2018 
>>> Clem H, and Baby Bear’s 24 inch Specialized Hot Rock.
>>>
>>> I never regret bringing my bikes, but I do admit I lament that they come 
>>> back to Vegas in poorer condition than when they left. We always get caught 
>>> in a rainstorm at some point, and usually more than once. After that I 
>>> always notice creaking where there hadn’t been, rust on the heads of bolts 
>>> or inside the braze-ons. I usually have new scuffs from the bikes knocking 
>>> together on the rack, dirt and grit where I hadn’t had it before. One year 
>>> I drove to a shooting range on 20 miles’ worth of gravel roads and the 
>>> bikes were completely trashed at a level you can’t fathom. The Betty Foy 
>>> (now sold) had a permanent ugly mark on the top tube where the arm bar of 
>>> the rack had mashed the cable into the paint.
>>>
>>> You would think I would learn and get this dialed in but I never really 
>>> do. This year was really something - when was the last time you tried to 
>>> get 3 Rivendells with Bosco bars on a rack? Boscos don’t play nicely. Three 
>>> of 4 of the bikes had baskets, and all 4 had racks. Yeah, nightmare.
>>>
>>> So, this vacation I have discovered new ways to damage my bikes. I’ll 
>>> provide the photos and explanations in the next post...
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Things I Regret: Beausage on Vacation

[Mark Roland]

All these good ideas on how to protect the bikes when being transported on 
the rack. And I guess if you are only doing it a couple times a year, it's 
okay. But otherwise, it's like packing the bike up for shipping, about my 
least favorite activity involving bicycles. You also need to figure out 
what to do with all the noodles, and put together a kit to hold tape, 
knife, zip ties, etc. to do it all again for return trips.

My experience has been that the most damage occurs with movement==often 
handlebars, brake levers, gear shifters rubbing against paint.  Make sure 
these things are out of range of painted tubes so when they inevitably 
move, they don't do damage. And definitely make sure the movement will be 
as minimal as possible. If using noodles, maybe one on the top tube of 
every other bicycle would do the trick, depending on how the bikes are held 
in--I'm not familiar with the big industrial hitch rack designs.

On Tuesday, July 14, 2020 at 3:56:58 PM UTC-4, Scott G. wrote:
>
> Plastic bags first, then some packaging stretch film, them some clear 
> packing tape
> to secure the stretch film. Zip tie  the pipe insulation.
> I do the above routine for the seat, and shifty bits on the handlebars.
> Carry the tape & film with you on the trip, you can make repairs at rest 
> stops.
> Think like an Egyptian Embalmer, wrap for the ages.
>
> On Tuesday, July 14, 2020 at 7:18:14 AM UTC-4 Julian Westerhout wrote:
>
>> It is time to buy a small enclosed cargo trailer! 
>>
>> :) 
>>
>>
>> For the saddles double plastic bag them, tape the bottom, and then put on 
>> a saddle cover so the bags don't shred in the wind. They'll stay dry that 
>> way. 
>>
>> Julian Westerhout
>> Bloomington, IL 
>>
>>
>> On Monday, July 13, 2020 at 4:08:50 PM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Every year I point the van north and drive from Vegas to small town 
>>> North Dakota, and the lakes country of Minnesota. And every year I drag 3-4 
>>> bikes along with us on a Saris rack. I’ve gone through several different 
>>> bikes in the past several years (the kids are growing, I switched to That 
>>> Clem Life, etc) so I’ve never found an exact formula to make the bikes fit 
>>> perfectly. This year I hauled my new ln 52 cm Clementine (2019 
>>> geo), the old 1st gen 52 cm blue Clem H, #theClemRider’s  little 45 cm 2018 
>>> Clem H, and Baby Bear’s 24 inch Specialized Hot Rock.
>>>
>>> I never regret bringing my bikes, but I do admit I lament that they come 
>>> back to Vegas in poorer condition than when they left. We always get caught 
>>> in a rainstorm at some point, and usually more than once. After that I 
>>> always notice creaking where there hadn’t been, rust on the heads of bolts 
>>> or inside the braze-ons. I usually have new scuffs from the bikes knocking 
>>> together on the rack, dirt and grit where I hadn’t had it before. One year 
>>> I drove to a shooting range on 20 miles’ worth of gravel roads and the 
>>> bikes were completely trashed at a level you can’t fathom. The Betty Foy 
>>> (now sold) had a permanent ugly mark on the top tube where the arm bar of 
>>> the rack had mashed the cable into the paint.
>>>
>>> You would think I would learn and get this dialed in but I never really 
>>> do. This year was really something - when was the last time you tried to 
>>> get 3 Rivendells with Bosco bars on a rack? Boscos don’t play nicely. Three 
>>> of 4 of the bikes had baskets, and all 4 had racks. Yeah, nightmare.
>>>
>>> So, this vacation I have discovered new ways to damage my bikes. I’ll 
>>> provide the photos and explanations in the next post...
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Things I Regret: Beausage on Vacation

[Scott G.]

Plastic bags first, then some packaging stretch film, them some clear 
packing tape
to secure the stretch film. Zip tie  the pipe insulation.
I do the above routine for the seat, and shifty bits on the handlebars.
Carry the tape & film with you on the trip, you can make repairs at rest 
stops.
Think like an Egyptian Embalmer, wrap for the ages.

On Tuesday, July 14, 2020 at 7:18:14 AM UTC-4 Julian Westerhout wrote:

> It is time to buy a small enclosed cargo trailer! 
>
> :) 
>
>
> For the saddles double plastic bag them, tape the bottom, and then put on 
> a saddle cover so the bags don't shred in the wind. They'll stay dry that 
> way. 
>
> Julian Westerhout
> Bloomington, IL 
>
>
> On Monday, July 13, 2020 at 4:08:50 PM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>>
>> Every year I point the van north and drive from Vegas to small town North 
>> Dakota, and the lakes country of Minnesota. And every year I drag 3-4 bikes 
>> along with us on a Saris rack. I’ve gone through several different bikes in 
>> the past several years (the kids are growing, I switched to That Clem Life, 
>> etc) so I’ve never found an exact formula to make the bikes fit perfectly. 
>> This year I hauled my new ln 52 cm Clementine (2019 geo), the 
>> old 1st gen 52 cm blue Clem H, #theClemRider’s  little 45 cm 2018 Clem H, 
>> and Baby Bear’s 24 inch Specialized Hot Rock.
>>
>> I never regret bringing my bikes, but I do admit I lament that they come 
>> back to Vegas in poorer condition than when they left. We always get caught 
>> in a rainstorm at some point, and usually more than once. After that I 
>> always notice creaking where there hadn’t been, rust on the heads of bolts 
>> or inside the braze-ons. I usually have new scuffs from the bikes knocking 
>> together on the rack, dirt and grit where I hadn’t had it before. One year 
>> I drove to a shooting range on 20 miles’ worth of gravel roads and the 
>> bikes were completely trashed at a level you can’t fathom. The Betty Foy 
>> (now sold) had a permanent ugly mark on the top tube where the arm bar of 
>> the rack had mashed the cable into the paint.
>>
>> You would think I would learn and get this dialed in but I never really 
>> do. This year was really something - when was the last time you tried to 
>> get 3 Rivendells with Bosco bars on a rack? Boscos don’t play nicely. Three 
>> of 4 of the bikes had baskets, and all 4 had racks. Yeah, nightmare.
>>
>> So, this vacation I have discovered new ways to damage my bikes. I’ll 
>> provide the photos and explanations in the next post...
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Things I Regret: Beausage on Vacation

[Steve Palincsar]

And when you've reached your destination, you can use that pool noodle 
as a 3' traffic clearance standoff. You can't do that with pipe insulation.


On 7/14/20 2:43 PM, Evan E. wrote:

Leah:

I second what RichS said about pool noodles as frame-tube cushions. 
While pipe insulation works well, hollow pool noodles are even better 
because they're slightly more firm and also thicker than pipe 
insulation. Can be used many times. They cost more than pipe 
insulation, but bikes are worth it, right?


One source:

https://foamnoodles.com/products/black-foam-noodle?variant=28601706193=EAIaIQobChMIrIDz0rHN6gIVUvDACh3-8QcsEAQYASABEgJB7vD_BwE

Evan
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[RBW] Re: Things I Regret: Beausage on Vacation

[Evan E.]

Leah:

I second what RichS said about pool noodles as frame-tube cushions. While 
pipe insulation works well, hollow pool noodles are even better because 
they're slightly more firm and also thicker than pipe insulation. Can be 
used many times. They cost more than pipe insulation, but bikes are worth 
it, right? 

One source:  

https://foamnoodles.com/products/black-foam-noodle?variant=28601706193=EAIaIQobChMIrIDz0rHN6gIVUvDACh3-8QcsEAQYASABEgJB7vD_BwE

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Re: [RBW] Re: Things I Regret: Beausage on Vacation

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Leah:

You might try applying some “helicopter tape” around the tubes that got scraped 
up. Helicopter tape will help prevent damage, but it also works after the fact 
to cover up an put a glossy surface over the scrapes. 

Here’s an option in a 2” width: 3M Scotchgard Clear Bra Paint Protection Bulk 
Film Roll 2"-by-48"-inches 
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00CTUFXJ2/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_tai_00CdFbJXVRFDJ 

Just take care applying it and it will stay on forever.

Eric N
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Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy

>> On Jul 13, 2020, at 10:32 PM, masmojo  wrote:
> Leah, don't sweat it too much, but do what you can to minimize the damage, 
> just having a bike (or bikes) on a vacation is such a special treat, one that 
> you only get by driving.
> My son and I drove to California a couple years ago, took our bikes and had a 
> great time riding in Santa Fe, Sedona, Fresno & Fairfax (Repack) those 
> experiences are priceless when compared to a little wear & tear.
> I agree with the irony of the Rivendell experience; buy a beautiful (& 
> expensive) bike and then let it kind of go. I think if you can afford to 
> spend $1,600+ on a bike splashing for a new set of $12 grips shouldn't be a 
> big issue, no need to make some out of twine and some pieces of felt. I enjoy 
> it when Grant does that kind of thing, but I have built up a selection of 
> grips over the years and I'll try swapping them out from time to time, but I 
> am not making my own out of felt scraps. :-)
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Re: [RBW] Re: Things I Regret: Beausage on Vacation

[RichS]

Pool noodles also work well for wrapping frames. And they're Riv approved.

Best,
Rich in ATL

On Tuesday, July 14, 2020 at 9:10:31 AM UTC-4, Mark Roland wrote:
>
>
> I recommended this last time beausage came up, either here or IBOB:. I 
> suspect Meguiar's #2 Fine Cut Clean 
>  
> will remove much of that scrape on the Junior Clem Junior. You might follow 
> up with a polish. Or start with a slightly courser cleaner if this doesn't 
> do the trick. 
>
> I don't use it much, as I am a beausage aficionado. But I get it for new 
> bikes, and being banged around while not actually performing their bikely 
> duties. And kids bikes. I baby my kid's WOOM 6. But that's partly so I can 
> sell it for a decent price when he grows out of it. (He is currently 6" 
> taller than the average 10-year-old, so it won't be long now...)
>
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Things I Regret: Beausage on Vacation

[Mark Roland]

I recommended this last time beausage came up, either here or IBOB:. I 
suspect Meguiar's #2 Fine Cut Clean 
 
will remove much of that scrape on the Junior Clem Junior. You might follow 
up with a polish. Or start with a slightly courser cleaner if this doesn't 
do the trick. 

I don't use it much, as I am a beausage aficionado. But I get it for new 
bikes, and being banged around while not actually performing their bikely 
duties. And kids bikes. I baby my kid's WOOM 6. But that's partly so I can 
sell it for a decent price when he grows out of it. (He is currently 6" 
taller than the average 10-year-old, so it won't be long now...)



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Re: [RBW] Re: Things I Regret: Beausage on Vacation

[Ryan M.]

That bike got to me in great shape packaged like that, Joe. That pipe 
insulation does work.

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[RBW] Re: Things I Regret: Beausage on Vacation

[Julian Westerhout]

It is time to buy a small enclosed cargo trailer! 

:) 


For the saddles double plastic bag them, tape the bottom, and then put on a 
saddle cover so the bags don't shred in the wind. They'll stay dry that 
way. 

Julian Westerhout
Bloomington, IL 


On Monday, July 13, 2020 at 4:08:50 PM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:
>
> Every year I point the van north and drive from Vegas to small town North 
> Dakota, and the lakes country of Minnesota. And every year I drag 3-4 bikes 
> along with us on a Saris rack. I’ve gone through several different bikes in 
> the past several years (the kids are growing, I switched to That Clem Life, 
> etc) so I’ve never found an exact formula to make the bikes fit perfectly. 
> This year I hauled my new ln 52 cm Clementine (2019 geo), the 
> old 1st gen 52 cm blue Clem H, #theClemRider’s  little 45 cm 2018 Clem H, 
> and Baby Bear’s 24 inch Specialized Hot Rock.
>
> I never regret bringing my bikes, but I do admit I lament that they come 
> back to Vegas in poorer condition than when they left. We always get caught 
> in a rainstorm at some point, and usually more than once. After that I 
> always notice creaking where there hadn’t been, rust on the heads of bolts 
> or inside the braze-ons. I usually have new scuffs from the bikes knocking 
> together on the rack, dirt and grit where I hadn’t had it before. One year 
> I drove to a shooting range on 20 miles’ worth of gravel roads and the 
> bikes were completely trashed at a level you can’t fathom. The Betty Foy 
> (now sold) had a permanent ugly mark on the top tube where the arm bar of 
> the rack had mashed the cable into the paint.
>
> You would think I would learn and get this dialed in but I never really 
> do. This year was really something - when was the last time you tried to 
> get 3 Rivendells with Bosco bars on a rack? Boscos don’t play nicely. Three 
> of 4 of the bikes had baskets, and all 4 had racks. Yeah, nightmare.
>
> So, this vacation I have discovered new ways to damage my bikes. I’ll 
> provide the photos and explanations in the next post...
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Things I Regret: Beausage on Vacation

[masmojo]

Leah, don't sweat it too much, but do what you can to minimize the damage, just 
having a bike (or bikes) on a vacation is such a special treat, one that you 
only get by driving.
My son and I drove to California a couple years ago, took our bikes and had a 
great time riding in Santa Fe, Sedona, Fresno & Fairfax (Repack) those 
experiences are priceless when compared to a little wear & tear.
I agree with the irony of the Rivendell experience; buy a beautiful (& 
expensive) bike and then let it kind of go. I think if you can afford to spend 
$1,600+ on a bike splashing for a new set of $12 grips shouldn't be a big 
issue, no need to make some out of twine and some pieces of felt. I enjoy it 
when Grant does that kind of thing, but I have built up a selection of grips 
over the years and I'll try swapping them out from time to time, but I am not 
making my own out of felt scraps. :-)

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[RBW] Re: Things I Regret: Beausage on Vacation

[dougP]

My Atlantis looked seriously bedraggled after spending a day on the back of 
a flat bed truck in a serious rainstorm.  Long story but the guy who loaded 
the bikes & drove them between points A & B had no idea what he was doing.  
Fortunately, he used rope instead of chain to tie the load down.  I 
considered repainting it but after a while, thought "Naw, I'll just do 
something else stupid so why bother."  It's had many adventures that would 
make a bike snob cringe but I bought it to ride, not sit around looking 
good.

Ditto on the pipe insulation.  I've shipped mine many times without damage 
thank so to using it on all the tubes including the fork.  You never know 
when the guys on loading dock are gonna drive a fork lift blade thru your 
box.  

dougP

On Monday, July 13, 2020 at 2:08:50 PM UTC-7, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:
>
> Every year I point the van north and drive from Vegas to small town North 
> Dakota, and the lakes country of Minnesota. And every year I drag 3-4 bikes 
> along with us on a Saris rack. I’ve gone through several different bikes in 
> the past several years (the kids are growing, I switched to That Clem Life, 
> etc) so I’ve never found an exact formula to make the bikes fit perfectly. 
> This year I hauled my new ln 52 cm Clementine (2019 geo), the 
> old 1st gen 52 cm blue Clem H, #theClemRider’s  little 45 cm 2018 Clem H, 
> and Baby Bear’s 24 inch Specialized Hot Rock.
>
> I never regret bringing my bikes, but I do admit I lament that they come 
> back to Vegas in poorer condition than when they left. We always get caught 
> in a rainstorm at some point, and usually more than once. After that I 
> always notice creaking where there hadn’t been, rust on the heads of bolts 
> or inside the braze-ons. I usually have new scuffs from the bikes knocking 
> together on the rack, dirt and grit where I hadn’t had it before. One year 
> I drove to a shooting range on 20 miles’ worth of gravel roads and the 
> bikes were completely trashed at a level you can’t fathom. The Betty Foy 
> (now sold) had a permanent ugly mark on the top tube where the arm bar of 
> the rack had mashed the cable into the paint.
>
> You would think I would learn and get this dialed in but I never really 
> do. This year was really something - when was the last time you tried to 
> get 3 Rivendells with Bosco bars on a rack? Boscos don’t play nicely. Three 
> of 4 of the bikes had baskets, and all 4 had racks. Yeah, nightmare.
>
> So, this vacation I have discovered new ways to damage my bikes. I’ll 
> provide the photos and explanations in the next post...
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Things I Regret: Beausage on Vacation

[Jason Fuller]

My B17 has been drenched quite a number of times over the course of the 12 
years I've had it.  It looks great today with no uneven watermarks like 
that - I admit to being too lazy to read if this has already been mentioned 
but applying a coat of leather conditioner will blend that away!



On Monday, 13 July 2020 at 18:51:11 UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:

> Thank you to all who sent the fantastic suggestions! I will go to a 
> hardware store tomorrow and see if I can get that gray pipe foam. 
>
> Thanks to all who sent personal anecdotes - you are a comfort as well as a 
> joy! I was especially moved by Paul In Dallas’ story about his late friend 
> and also what Grant had to say on the matter of beausage. I will try not to 
> be precious about my bikes! Though what James says rings true - it’s less 
> annoying to damage your bike when it’s doing something noble. If damage 
> occurs because I am an idiot, then I lament. 
>
> Lastly, what Ryan said is also true. It’s not right to go north with no 
> bikes just because of risk of some paint or parts damage! 
>
> There was some minor damage to the bikes, yes. There was also cherished 
> memories made. Do you all want to see what I got in exchange for these 
> light and momentary troubles? 
>
> Well, you’ll have to PM me for the video because it won’t go through on 
> Google Groups. Turn your sound on. 
> Leah
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jul 13, 2020, at 8:34 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
> Meet Joe's needs and expectations! 
>
>
>
> On Monday, July 13, 2020 at 5:32:47 PM UTC-7 Abcyclehank wrote:
>
>> Leah, 
>> Remember the rides with your niece, the Rivs and that little red Special 
>> are part of the Peterson clan. Can’t imagine a vacation by your family 
>> without them. 
>>
>> Just Ride! An ounce of prevention. HD grocery bag over leather seats. 
>> Pipe insulation can successfully protect a frame even to Joe’s needs and 
>> expectations. However Ryan’s law states that whatever is not wrapped may 
>> find something to rub against. 1647miles outside are 80 MPH steel on steel 
>> causes serious erosion. 
>>
>> Best of luck traveling home. 
>> Or you could just buy another home and stay in God’s Country with the 
>> Rivs 路‍♂️! 
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Things I Regret: Beausage on Vacation

[Leah Peterson]

Thank you to all who sent the fantastic suggestions! I will go to a hardware 
store tomorrow and see if I can get that gray pipe foam. 

Thanks to all who sent personal anecdotes - you are a comfort as well as a joy! 
I was especially moved by Paul In Dallas’ story about his late friend and also 
what Grant had to say on the matter of beausage. I will try not to be precious 
about my bikes! Though what James says rings true - it’s less annoying to 
damage your bike when it’s doing something noble. If damage occurs because I am 
an idiot, then I lament. 

Lastly, what Ryan said is also true. It’s not right to go north with no bikes 
just because of risk of some paint or parts damage! 

There was some minor damage to the bikes, yes. There was also cherished 
memories made. Do you all want to see what I got in exchange for these light 
and momentary troubles? 

Well, you’ll have to PM me for the video because it won’t go through on Google 
Groups. Turn your sound on. 
Leah

Sent from my iPad

> On Jul 13, 2020, at 8:34 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> 
> Meet Joe's needs and expectations! 
> 
>> On Monday, July 13, 2020 at 5:32:47 PM UTC-7 Abcyclehank wrote:
>> Leah, 
>> Remember the rides with your niece, the Rivs and that little red Special are 
>> part of the Peterson clan. Can’t imagine a vacation by your family without 
>> them. 
>> 
>> Just Ride! An ounce of prevention. HD grocery bag over leather seats. Pipe 
>> insulation can successfully protect a frame even to Joe’s needs and 
>> expectations. However Ryan’s law states that whatever is not wrapped may 
>> find something to rub against. 1647miles outside are 80 MPH steel on steel 
>> causes serious erosion. 
>> 
>> Best of luck traveling home. 
>> Or you could just buy another home and stay in God’s Country with the Rivs 
>> 路‍♂️! 
>> 
>> Ryan
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Re: [RBW] Re: Things I Regret: Beausage on Vacation

['Abcyclehank' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Leah,
Remember the rides with your niece, the Rivs and that little red Special are 
part of the Peterson clan.  Can’t imagine a vacation by your family without 
them.

Just Ride! An ounce of prevention.  HD grocery bag over leather seats.  Pipe 
insulation can successfully protect a frame even to Joe’s needs and 
expectations.  However Ryan’s law states that whatever is not wrapped may find 
something to rub against. 1647miles outside are 80 MPH steel on steel causes 
serious erosion.

Best of luck traveling home.
Or you could just buy another home and stay in God’s Country with the Rivs 
路‍♂️!

Ryan

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Re: [RBW] Re: Things I Regret: Beausage on Vacation

[Joe Bernard]

One of my favorite things about Rivendell is they make not-cheap frames with 
gorgeous paint jobs, then tell you to scratch 'em up. 

The Clem was supposed to be the anti-pretty Riv with flat black paint you could 
touch up with a rattle can. They couldn't bring themselves to do it! 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Things I Regret: Beausage on Vacation

[Steve Palincsar]

Racks like that are notorious for damaging bicycles.

On 7/13/20 7:39 PM, James Valiensi wrote:
I like watching my mountain bikes get marks due to wear. But hated to 
see them get bang up because of mishandling them. Grind a layer of 
paint off the chain stays from a muddy ride - cool. Drop the bike for 
no reason and band up a grip - not cool.


On Jul 13, 2020, at 4:34 PM, Scott McLain > wrote:


I bought Dave's old root beer AHH. It came to me with a lot of 
beausage, but no dents.  I bought it assuming I would get it 
repainted.  I haven't done it.  It takes a lot of pressure off that 
it has lots of beausage.  The principal of beausage has changed my 
life.  I did find some clear protectant to make sure my bike didn't 
rust where the paint is missing.


My kids all know about beausage now.  I rarely buy something that I 
would not be able to handle it being dinged.


Except for my Martin HD-28.  That stays in the case.

Scott





On Monday, July 13, 2020 at 3:08:50 PM UTC-6, Bicycle Belle Ding 
Ding! wrote:


Every year I point the van north and drive from Vegas to small
town North Dakota, and the lakes country of Minnesota. And every
year I drag 3-4 bikes along with us on a Saris rack. I’ve gone
through several different bikes in the past several years (the
kids are growing, I switched to That Clem Life, etc) so I’ve
never found an exact formula to make the bikes fit perfectly.
This year I hauled my new ln 52 cm Clementine (2019
geo), the old 1st gen 52 cm blue Clem H, #theClemRider’s  little
45 cm 2018 Clem H, and Baby Bear’s 24 inch Specialized Hot Rock.

I never regret bringing my bikes, but I do admit I lament that
they come back to Vegas in poorer condition than when they left.
We always get caught in a rainstorm at some point, and usually
more than once. After that I always notice creaking where there
hadn’t been, rust on the heads of bolts or inside the braze-ons.
I usually have new scuffs from the bikes knocking together on the
rack, dirt and grit where I hadn’t had it before. One year I
drove to a shooting range on 20 miles’ worth of gravel roads and
the bikes were completely trashed at a level you can’t fathom.
The Betty Foy (now sold) had a permanent ugly mark on the top
tube where the arm bar of the rack had mashed the cable into the
paint.

You would think I would learn and get this dialed in but I never
really do. This year was really something - when was the last
time you tried to get 3 Rivendells with Bosco bars on a rack?
Boscos don’t play nicely. Three of 4 of the bikes had baskets,
and all 4 had racks. Yeah, nightmare.

So, this vacation I have discovered new ways to damage my bikes.
I’ll provide the photos and explanations in the next post...


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Re: [RBW] Re: Things I Regret: Beausage on Vacation

[James Valiensi]

I like watching my mountain bikes get marks due to wear. But hated to see them 
get bang up because of mishandling them. Grind a layer of paint off the chain 
stays from a muddy ride - cool. Drop the bike for no reason and band up a grip 
- not cool.

> On Jul 13, 2020, at 4:34 PM, Scott McLain  wrote:
> 
> I bought Dave's old root beer AHH.  It came to me with a lot of beausage, but 
> no dents.  I bought it assuming I would get it repainted.  I haven't done it. 
>  It takes a lot of pressure off that it has lots of beausage.  The principal 
> of beausage has changed my life.  I did find some clear protectant to make 
> sure my bike didn't rust where the paint is missing. 
> 
> My kids all know about beausage now.  I rarely buy something that I would not 
> be able to handle it being dinged.  
> 
> Except for my Martin HD-28.  That stays in the case.
> 
> Scott
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Monday, July 13, 2020 at 3:08:50 PM UTC-6, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:
> Every year I point the van north and drive from Vegas to small town North 
> Dakota, and the lakes country of Minnesota. And every year I drag 3-4 bikes 
> along with us on a Saris rack. I’ve gone through several different bikes in 
> the past several years (the kids are growing, I switched to That Clem Life, 
> etc) so I’ve never found an exact formula to make the bikes fit perfectly. 
> This year I hauled my new ln 52 cm Clementine (2019 geo), the old 
> 1st gen 52 cm blue Clem H, #theClemRider’s  little 45 cm 2018 Clem H, and 
> Baby Bear’s 24 inch Specialized Hot Rock.
> 
> I never regret bringing my bikes, but I do admit I lament that they come back 
> to Vegas in poorer condition than when they left. We always get caught in a 
> rainstorm at some point, and usually more than once. After that I always 
> notice creaking where there hadn’t been, rust on the heads of bolts or inside 
> the braze-ons. I usually have new scuffs from the bikes knocking together on 
> the rack, dirt and grit where I hadn’t had it before. One year I drove to a 
> shooting range on 20 miles’ worth of gravel roads and the bikes were 
> completely trashed at a level you can’t fathom. The Betty Foy (now sold) had 
> a permanent ugly mark on the top tube where the arm bar of the rack had 
> mashed the cable into the paint.
> 
> You would think I would learn and get this dialed in but I never really do. 
> This year was really something - when was the last time you tried to get 3 
> Rivendells with Bosco bars on a rack? Boscos don’t play nicely. Three of 4 of 
> the bikes had baskets, and all 4 had racks. Yeah, nightmare.
> 
> So, this vacation I have discovered new ways to damage my bikes. I’ll provide 
> the photos and explanations in the next post...
> 
> 
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[RBW] Re: Things I Regret: Beausage on Vacation

[Scott McLain]

I bought Dave's old root beer AHH.  It came to me with a lot of beausage, 
but no dents.  I bought it assuming I would get it repainted.  I haven't 
done it.  It takes a lot of pressure off that it has lots of beausage.  The 
principal of beausage has changed my life.  I did find some clear 
protectant to make sure my bike didn't rust where the paint is missing. 

My kids all know about beausage now.  I rarely buy something that I would 
not be able to handle it being dinged.  

Except for my Martin HD-28.  That stays in the case.

Scott





On Monday, July 13, 2020 at 3:08:50 PM UTC-6, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:
>
> Every year I point the van north and drive from Vegas to small town North 
> Dakota, and the lakes country of Minnesota. And every year I drag 3-4 bikes 
> along with us on a Saris rack. I’ve gone through several different bikes in 
> the past several years (the kids are growing, I switched to That Clem Life, 
> etc) so I’ve never found an exact formula to make the bikes fit perfectly. 
> This year I hauled my new ln 52 cm Clementine (2019 geo), the 
> old 1st gen 52 cm blue Clem H, #theClemRider’s  little 45 cm 2018 Clem H, 
> and Baby Bear’s 24 inch Specialized Hot Rock.
>
> I never regret bringing my bikes, but I do admit I lament that they come 
> back to Vegas in poorer condition than when they left. We always get caught 
> in a rainstorm at some point, and usually more than once. After that I 
> always notice creaking where there hadn’t been, rust on the heads of bolts 
> or inside the braze-ons. I usually have new scuffs from the bikes knocking 
> together on the rack, dirt and grit where I hadn’t had it before. One year 
> I drove to a shooting range on 20 miles’ worth of gravel roads and the 
> bikes were completely trashed at a level you can’t fathom. The Betty Foy 
> (now sold) had a permanent ugly mark on the top tube where the arm bar of 
> the rack had mashed the cable into the paint.
>
> You would think I would learn and get this dialed in but I never really 
> do. This year was really something - when was the last time you tried to 
> get 3 Rivendells with Bosco bars on a rack? Boscos don’t play nicely. Three 
> of 4 of the bikes had baskets, and all 4 had racks. Yeah, nightmare.
>
> So, this vacation I have discovered new ways to damage my bikes. I’ll 
> provide the photos and explanations in the next post...
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Things I Regret: Beausage on Vacation

[George Schick]

Couple of tips for traveling with bikes on racks:

1) Wrap the upper and lower headset bearings with something like Saran 
Wrap.  This keeps the grease from being blown out of the headset while 
traveling at highway speeds.

2) After you've mounted the bikes on the rack where you want them, move 'em 
back and forth to see how they interact with each other.  Where there is 
contact, insulate those areas with something like the soft foam stuff you 
find in packages of fruit, etc.  Then use some string - cheap stuff like 
binder twine (this should be familiar to someone who grew up on a farm) 
that you can discard - to hold them in place.

3) Never mind how wonderful the maker of a saddle cover says his product 
is, put something like a thin plastic grocery sack (making sure it has no 
holes!) over the saddle first, then the cover.  It may not look so great 
that way, but it'll go a long way to better ensure that your saddles will 
arrive dry.

4) You may need some bungie cords of different lengths to lash the bikes 
together to keep things from moving.  The front wheels, for example, like 
to flop back and forth at highway speeds, wreaking all sorts of havoc.

 Sorry about the damage.  We wish you would have asked us first :-( 


On Monday, July 13, 2020 at 4:08:50 PM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:
>
> Every year I point the van north and drive from Vegas to small town North 
> Dakota, and the lakes country of Minnesota. And every year I drag 3-4 bikes 
> along with us on a Saris rack. I’ve gone through several different bikes in 
> the past several years (the kids are growing, I switched to That Clem Life, 
> etc) so I’ve never found an exact formula to make the bikes fit perfectly. 
> This year I hauled my new ln 52 cm Clementine (2019 geo), the 
> old 1st gen 52 cm blue Clem H, #theClemRider’s  little 45 cm 2018 Clem H, 
> and Baby Bear’s 24 inch Specialized Hot Rock.
>
> I never regret bringing my bikes, but I do admit I lament that they come 
> back to Vegas in poorer condition than when they left. We always get caught 
> in a rainstorm at some point, and usually more than once. After that I 
> always notice creaking where there hadn’t been, rust on the heads of bolts 
> or inside the braze-ons. I usually have new scuffs from the bikes knocking 
> together on the rack, dirt and grit where I hadn’t had it before. One year 
> I drove to a shooting range on 20 miles’ worth of gravel roads and the 
> bikes were completely trashed at a level you can’t fathom. The Betty Foy 
> (now sold) had a permanent ugly mark on the top tube where the arm bar of 
> the rack had mashed the cable into the paint.
>
> You would think I would learn and get this dialed in but I never really 
> do. This year was really something - when was the last time you tried to 
> get 3 Rivendells with Bosco bars on a rack? Boscos don’t play nicely. Three 
> of 4 of the bikes had baskets, and all 4 had racks. Yeah, nightmare.
>
> So, this vacation I have discovered new ways to damage my bikes. I’ll 
> provide the photos and explanations in the next post...
>
>
>

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