[RBW] Re: Tip for Riv owners with slipping seatposts!

[Lungimsam]

Seems like the complaints about slipping seatposts are adding up here on 
the forum.
I think anyone who has a slipping seatpost should to call RBW and tell them 
to help RBW so that they can take steps to ensure future QC with their 
suppliers/builders.
I would find it unacceptable to have to rig my seatpost to work because the 
seat tube is not the proper size at these frame price points.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Tip for Riv owners with slipping seatposts!

[Keith Muller]

Here is a little tidbit that people miss on their rivs regarding a slipping 
seatpost.  When they produce the frames, the Seat lug has a tab that 
connects the slot in the lug together and keeps it from deforming when the 
frame is brazed up.  In the finish work before paint, they go through and 
remove this material so the slot in the lug can function as intended.  On 
occasion when they complete this process, they don't quite remove enough 
material and it can prevent the lug from clamping down correctly on the 
seatpost because there is material in the slot of the lug that creates 
interference.  If you take a file/dremel/some device that can remover 
material and clean the slot in the lug up or even make it a little wider, 
you can genarally fix the problem without resorting to chemical binders.  I 
have done this on a few Riv frames and it has always fixed the issue. 
 Check out the photo I have attached that shows a raw lug.  You will see 
what I speak of.

Keith

On Wednesday, January 6, 2016 at 5:56:37 PM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> sorry, it is in fact Loctite Green 609
>
> On Wednesday, January 6, 2016 at 3:01:41 PM UTC-6, cyclot...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>>
>> 290, not 209, correct? 
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 2:31 PM, Ron Mc  wrote: 
>> > if that's not enough, try loctite Green (209) on the post 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Tip for Riv owners with slipping seatposts!

[cyclotourist]

Ah, bummer... I ordered 290 already...

On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 2:56 PM, Ron Mc  wrote:
> sorry, it is in fact Loctite Green 609
>
> On Wednesday, January 6, 2016 at 3:01:41 PM UTC-6, cyclot...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>>
>> 290, not 209, correct?
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 2:31 PM, Ron Mc  wrote:
>> > if that's not enough, try loctite Green (209) on the post
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[RBW] Re: Tip for Riv owners with slipping seatposts!

[Dave Johnston]

I would like to add not to use the carbon paste stuff if you don't need it. 
It scratched the heck out of one of my seatposts and made it more difficult 
to remove. Its also hard to clean the grit back out. 

I've never had a seatpost slipping problem but I weigh 140lbs.

-Dave

On Tuesday, January 5, 2016 at 3:44:33 PM UTC-5, Mark Reimer wrote:
>
> I've read many times on this forum that some Riv owners find their seat 
> posts to slip down. I'm the same. My Atlantis still has the stock Kalloy 
> seatpost, which has been slipping since I got the bike. On road or smoother 
> trail rides, it might not slip every ride, but every few rides it'd drop a 
> millimeter or two. Riding single track and bumpy roads would drop it a good 
> centimeter at times. I was frustrated.
>
> But now I've solved it!
>
> I started by removing the post and cleaning ALL the grease off the post 
> and the inside of the seat tube. With the whole thing clean as a whistle, I 
> applied grease ONLY to the inside of the seat-tube, and ONLY below the lug. 
> Basically i'm trying to keep the clamping mechanism grease-free. I didn't 
> put any grease on the post at all, as it would get lubed up when I 
> installed it as it slid past the seat-tube grease.
>
> Now the secret - I applied blue loctite ONLY to the section of the post 
> that would be inside the lug/clamp, which is about an inch of the post. If 
> you're not sure where to place it, you can put a strip of tape around the 
> post right where it exits your frame. I usually do that anyway so when I 
> remove the post for whatever reason, I know exactly how deep to install it 
> next time. 
>
> The purpose of grease is to prevent direct aluminum/steel contact 
> resulting in galling. Loctite does the same thing - it provides a barrier 
> between the two, while also providing a bit of a sticky surface rather than 
> slippery. Don't worry, it won't cause your seatpost to get stuck in there 
> forever. It's designed to prevent exactly that. I've been doing this for 
> about the last month and my post hasn't dropped once, even after a heavy 
> saddle bag was strapped below it and I rode rough trails. I loosened the 
> clamp to verify it was free and it spun easy. Problem solved! 
>
> Hope this helps others
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Tip for Riv owners with slipping seatposts!

[Jim Bronson]

Or 603?  Oil resistant!

http://www.na.henkel-adhesives.com/industrial/product-search-1554.htm?nodeid=8797714087937

638, maybe even better?

http://www.na.henkel-adhesives.com/industrial/product-search-1554.htm?nodeid=8797714153473

On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 3:24 PM, Jim Bronson  wrote:
> Maybe 609?
>
> http://www.globalindustrial.com/p/tools/Applicators/Caulk-Sealants/60921-609-general-purpose-retaining-compound-10-ml?infoParam.campaignId=T9F=CjwKEAiAk7O0BRD9_Ka2w_PhwSkSJAAmKswxkr6CBhk8LC19IWGttvLSoe7XebMRa2RsuLn-En3VbRoCPATw_wcB
>
> Retaining compound sounds ideal...
>
> On Jan 6, 2016 15:01, "cyclotourist"  wrote:
>>
>> 290, not 209, correct?
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 2:31 PM, Ron Mc  wrote:
>> > if that's not enough, try loctite Green (209) on the post
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Re: [RBW] Re: Tip for Riv owners with slipping seatposts!

[Ron Mc]

sorry, it is in fact Loctite Green 609

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wrote:
>
> 290, not 209, correct? 
>
> On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 2:31 PM, Ron Mc  
> wrote: 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Tip for Riv owners with slipping seatposts!

[cyclotourist]

290, not 209, correct?

On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 2:31 PM, Ron Mc  wrote:
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[RBW] Re: Tip for Riv owners with slipping seatposts!

[David Person]

Thanks for this Mark.  I've had issues with the Nitto S-83 slipping in my 
Sam.  I removed it, cleaned all the grease off it and the seat tube and 
used denatured alcohol to clean any frame saver from the top portion of the 
seat tube.  Then I applies a thin layer of anti-seize to the post.  No 
slipping issues since then.

David Person


On Tuesday, January 5, 2016 at 12:44:33 PM UTC-8, Mark Reimer wrote:
>
> I've read many times on this forum that some Riv owners find their seat 
> posts to slip down. I'm the same. My Atlantis still has the stock Kalloy 
> seatpost, which has been slipping since I got the bike. On road or smoother 
> trail rides, it might not slip every ride, but every few rides it'd drop a 
> millimeter or two. Riding single track and bumpy roads would drop it a good 
> centimeter at times. I was frustrated.
>
> But now I've solved it!
>
> I started by removing the post and cleaning ALL the grease off the post 
> and the inside of the seat tube. With the whole thing clean as a whistle, I 
> applied grease ONLY to the inside of the seat-tube, and ONLY below the lug. 
> Basically i'm trying to keep the clamping mechanism grease-free. I didn't 
> put any grease on the post at all, as it would get lubed up when I 
> installed it as it slid past the seat-tube grease.
>
> Now the secret - I applied blue loctite ONLY to the section of the post 
> that would be inside the lug/clamp, which is about an inch of the post. If 
> you're not sure where to place it, you can put a strip of tape around the 
> post right where it exits your frame. I usually do that anyway so when I 
> remove the post for whatever reason, I know exactly how deep to install it 
> next time. 
>
> The purpose of grease is to prevent direct aluminum/steel contact 
> resulting in galling. Loctite does the same thing - it provides a barrier 
> between the two, while also providing a bit of a sticky surface rather than 
> slippery. Don't worry, it won't cause your seatpost to get stuck in there 
> forever. It's designed to prevent exactly that. I've been doing this for 
> about the last month and my post hasn't dropped once, even after a heavy 
> saddle bag was strapped below it and I rode rough trails. I loosened the 
> clamp to verify it was free and it spun easy. Problem solved! 
>
> Hope this helps others
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Tip for Riv owners with slipping seatposts!

[Jim Bronson]

Maybe 609?

http://www.globalindustrial.com/p/tools/Applicators/Caulk-Sealants/60921-609-general-purpose-retaining-compound-10-ml?infoParam.campaignId=T9F=CjwKEAiAk7O0BRD9_Ka2w_PhwSkSJAAmKswxkr6CBhk8LC19IWGttvLSoe7XebMRa2RsuLn-En3VbRoCPATw_wcB

Retaining compound sounds ideal...
On Jan 6, 2016 15:01, "cyclotourist"  wrote:

> 290, not 209, correct?
>
> On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 2:31 PM, Ron Mc  wrote:
> > if that's not enough, try loctite Green (209) on the post
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[RBW] Re: Tip for Riv owners with slipping seatposts!

[Bill Lindsay]

Great solution.  It's especially nice of you to provide a really thorough 
description and a great self-describing title.  I can imagine years from 
now, somebody searching this forum, will find that post, read it, and will 
have a frustrating problem solved.  That person will hopefully thank you.  

On Tuesday, January 5, 2016 at 12:44:33 PM UTC-8, Mark Reimer wrote:
>
> I've read many times on this forum that some Riv owners find their seat 
> posts to slip down. I'm the same. My Atlantis still has the stock Kalloy 
> seatpost, which has been slipping since I got the bike. On road or smoother 
> trail rides, it might not slip every ride, but every few rides it'd drop a 
> millimeter or two. Riding single track and bumpy roads would drop it a good 
> centimeter at times. I was frustrated.
>
> But now I've solved it!
>
> I started by removing the post and cleaning ALL the grease off the post 
> and the inside of the seat tube. With the whole thing clean as a whistle, I 
> applied grease ONLY to the inside of the seat-tube, and ONLY below the lug. 
> Basically i'm trying to keep the clamping mechanism grease-free. I didn't 
> put any grease on the post at all, as it would get lubed up when I 
> installed it as it slid past the seat-tube grease.
>
> Now the secret - I applied blue loctite ONLY to the section of the post 
> that would be inside the lug/clamp, which is about an inch of the post. If 
> you're not sure where to place it, you can put a strip of tape around the 
> post right where it exits your frame. I usually do that anyway so when I 
> remove the post for whatever reason, I know exactly how deep to install it 
> next time. 
>
> The purpose of grease is to prevent direct aluminum/steel contact 
> resulting in galling. Loctite does the same thing - it provides a barrier 
> between the two, while also providing a bit of a sticky surface rather than 
> slippery. Don't worry, it won't cause your seatpost to get stuck in there 
> forever. It's designed to prevent exactly that. I've been doing this for 
> about the last month and my post hasn't dropped once, even after a heavy 
> saddle bag was strapped below it and I rode rough trails. I loosened the 
> clamp to verify it was free and it spun easy. Problem solved! 
>
> Hope this helps others
>

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[RBW] Re: Tip for Riv owners with slipping seatposts!

[Ron Mc]

if that's not enough, try loctite Green (209) on the post

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Re: [RBW] Re: Tip for Riv owners with slipping seatposts!

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carbon paste works also. its a gritty compound that grabs well

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[RBW] Re: Tip for Riv owners with slipping seatposts!

[Metin Uz]

This hits me as a rather unorthodox solution to a common problem. Your post 
is probably slipping because it's slightly undersized. I have had good luck 
using carbon fiber assembly paste in such situations (also for slipping 
stems). 

--Metin

On Tuesday, January 5, 2016 at 12:44:33 PM UTC-8, Mark Reimer wrote:
>
> I've read many times on this forum that some Riv owners find their seat 
> posts to slip down. I'm the same. My Atlantis still has the stock Kalloy 
> seatpost, which has been slipping since I got the bike. On road or smoother 
> trail rides, it might not slip every ride, but every few rides it'd drop a 
> millimeter or two. Riding single track and bumpy roads would drop it a good 
> centimeter at times. I was frustrated.
>
> But now I've solved it!
>
> I started by removing the post and cleaning ALL the grease off the post 
> and the inside of the seat tube. With the whole thing clean as a whistle, I 
> applied grease ONLY to the inside of the seat-tube, and ONLY below the lug. 
> Basically i'm trying to keep the clamping mechanism grease-free. I didn't 
> put any grease on the post at all, as it would get lubed up when I 
> installed it as it slid past the seat-tube grease.
>
> Now the secret - I applied blue loctite ONLY to the section of the post 
> that would be inside the lug/clamp, which is about an inch of the post. If 
> you're not sure where to place it, you can put a strip of tape around the 
> post right where it exits your frame. I usually do that anyway so when I 
> remove the post for whatever reason, I know exactly how deep to install it 
> next time. 
>
> The purpose of grease is to prevent direct aluminum/steel contact 
> resulting in galling. Loctite does the same thing - it provides a barrier 
> between the two, while also providing a bit of a sticky surface rather than 
> slippery. Don't worry, it won't cause your seatpost to get stuck in there 
> forever. It's designed to prevent exactly that. I've been doing this for 
> about the last month and my post hasn't dropped once, even after a heavy 
> saddle bag was strapped below it and I rode rough trails. I loosened the 
> clamp to verify it was free and it spun easy. Problem solved! 
>
> Hope this helps others
>

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