[RBW] Re: vittoria randonneur touring tire?
Vittoria Randonneur's have plenty of happy users, just jog on over to Bike Forums. I for one don't take much stock in price in a indicator of a tires quality. These days there is no clear indication of what is, and what is not a quality tire. I read plenty of dissatisfied Schwalbe and Continental users. The thing is, there's infinite variables when it comes to someone's opinion of a tire. The human phenomena of monkey-see monkey-copy makes reviewing things rather comical. I'd try the Randonneur's in a heartbeat and not worry about opinions. Hey, you can buy 3 of these for the price of many Schwalbe's! I myself can't see spending $65 on a bike tire. My Michelin truck tires cost about $80 when I last bought them, as a comparison. I've had a great ride with Performance Forte Metro-K 35mm tires about $14 each. There's another 35mm tire they sell(the Gotham), made by Panaracer, who sells the same thing,minus the reflective strip. It's called the Crosstown. Performance sells it for $12 other places sell the Crosstown for more than double that. So, I don't put much stock anymore in more expensive = a better tire. Retail is like a giant shell game. sell it for what you can and hope you can keep the game going :) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: vittoria randonneur touring tire?
You do not say whether you have ever ridden a Schwalbe tire. I, and the many others who have, pay the price for the tire not because of our simian intelligence level but rather because the tires have an amazing combination of smooth ride and long life. I know the prevasive WalMart mentality is that if something can be made cheaply it must be better. That is not my experience. (heck, why not say that a Rawland must be as good as a Riv. It's steel and cheaper after all) I went Schwalbe after years of riding many other tire brands. My experience had been you either got a tire that was comfortable to ride but prone to flats or was durable but felt as though you were riding on granite. I have now added Grad Bois to my list of nice tires. The ride of some of their tires is just amazing. I do not have much experience with Panaracers, but have heard many great accounts of their merchandise. My understanding is that while Panaracer uses its molds when making for other brands it does not always use the same materials. I have an account with Schwalbe North America so do not buy retail. I get my Grand Bois from Bicycle Quarterly which I would hardly classify as a shell game. On Apr 2, 9:10 am, Garth garth...@gmail.com wrote: Vittoria Randonneur's have plenty of happy users, just jog on over to Bike Forums. I for one don't take much stock in price in a indicator of a tires quality. These days there is no clear indication of what is, and what is not a quality tire. I read plenty of dissatisfied Schwalbe and Continental users. The thing is, there's infinite variables when it comes to someone's opinion of a tire. The human phenomena of monkey-see monkey-copy makes reviewing things rather comical. I'd try the Randonneur's in a heartbeat and not worry about opinions. Hey, you can buy 3 of these for the price of many Schwalbe's! I myself can't see spending $65 on a bike tire. My Michelin truck tires cost about $80 when I last bought them, as a comparison. I've had a great ride with Performance Forte Metro-K 35mm tires about $14 each. There's another 35mm tire they sell(the Gotham), made by Panaracer, who sells the same thing,minus the reflective strip. It's called the Crosstown. Performance sells it for $12 other places sell the Crosstown for more than double that. So, I don't put much stock anymore in more expensive = a better tire. Retail is like a giant shell game. sell it for what you can and hope you can keep the game going :) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: vittoria randonneur touring tire?
I haven't tried any of the the Randonneuring models( they have about 10+versions) but other Vittorias I've ridden have not lasted that long. I was wondering how true to size they are. They do make a few Rando models in 40mm width that I've looked at. ~Mike~ On Apr 1, 11:00 am, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com wrote: My Randoneuring local pal says they are nice tires to roll on, but noticeably shorter lived than Contis or Schwalbes. He actually rolled up to our Tuesday hill drill ride on Bontragers... From: cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Thu, April 1, 2010 12:32:52 PM Subject: Re: [RBW] vittoria randonneur touring tire? There was some discussion about them earlier. Most responders seem to like them more than Paselas, but a few saying Paselas feel/roll nicer. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Vittoria Randonneur
Schwalbe Marathons for about 1,500 miles = No flats. Does that mean I'm doomed as well? Andy On Jan 8, 6:54 pm, Angus angusle...@sbcglobal.net wrote: I havent had a flat since August. Now that Beth has doomed herself to a double flat on her next ride (Just kidding Beth) :-) On Jan 8, 1:15 pm, Beth betha.lu...@gmail.com wrote: Greetings from a lurker, I'm reading all of these reports multiple flats with some amusement/ astonishment/surprise. [Obligatory Riv content: I wait until March for my Betty :)] My current roadbike/daily commuter has Specialized All Condition 700 x 28s on them. I survive four sets of Amtrak tracks and 2 sets of light rail tracks, glass and potholes each day by 1) utilizing the services of a set of Mr. Tuffys 2) not inflating them so far that they are easily popped. I havent had a flat since August. As always, YMMV! Back to lurker mode and patiently awaiting my Betty, -Beth L. (all the cool cylce chicks are named Beth ;) On Jan 8, 9:17 am, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Rick Risemberg. They were on sale @ Nashbar and he said they were great. Forget the model he recommended though. On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 5:27 AM, Frederick, Steve frede...@mail.lib.msu.eduwrote: There was a thread on the iBob list not long ago and one person voiced a strong preference for a particular model of the Randonneur--they do come in many versions. Worth checking the archives perhaps--it wasn't very long ago. Steve wishing for a Pugsley after the 7 snow storm last night Frederick, East Lansing, MI -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of Bill M. Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 8:41 PM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] Re: Vittoria Randonneur Vittoria's sizing is a little misleading. The 37-622 size is also labeled 700 x 35c, and that's closer to the actual width. I have the 700 x 35c/37-622 mm Randonneur Pro's on my Miyata 1000. They measure 34 mm wide on narrow Velocity Aerohead rims. and would probably make a true 35 on a wider rim. The 37 may refer to the height. There are a lot of different versions in the Randonneur series. Vittoria claims 640 gm for the 35 mm Randonneur and the Randonneur Cross, 450 gm for the Rando Cross Pro, and 430 gm for the Rando Pro. There's also a new Randonneur Hyper at 390 gm, and more heavy duty versions ranging from 700 to over 800 gm. You have to know which version you're getting, and which the commenters' experiences are based on! As for my Rando Pro's, I like them. I think they roll as well as the 32 mm Paselas I have on my Riv Road, but they flat less easily and have reflective sidewalls. I would not be surprised if the heavier versions did not roll or ride as well as the Pro's and I think that has added to the mixed reviews of these tires. When I wear out the Paselas, I might look for a pair of 32 mm Hypers as a replacement (28's would be a better fit, if they made them). I suspect they'll give the Marathon Supremes a run for their money. I had 50 mm Supremes on my Riv M/E when I sold it, and thought they were OK but not amazing tires. The fixie crowd has apparently latched onto the non-Pro Randos as tires that will withstand lots of skid stops. Probably not a priority for Riv list readers! Bill On Jan 7, 9:34 am, Eric Norris campyonly...@me.com wrote: Has anybody used these tires? How do they compare to Paselas? -- Eric Norriswww.campyonly.comwww.wheelsnorth.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2Bunsubscrib �...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Vittoria Randonneur
Amen, though my last box of Remas has lasted longer than I had anticipated thanks several years of good luck or because Turbos are less prone to flats than Paselas. And one flat a week? Not a bad rate by my standards; I've dealt with one flat a day. One gets used to it. On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 7:18 PM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: I have officially just gone through a 100 pack of Rema patcheshttp://www.jensonusa.com/store/product/TL308I03-Rema+F1-P+25Mm+Round+Patches.aspx?sc=FRGLin three years. I'd rather do that than ride on Armadillos :-) On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 5:21 PM, Doug Van Cleve dvancl...@gmail.comwrote: No offense guys, but you clearly ride on pretty decent roads. Where I ride, even an armadillo is no guarantee that you won't get at least 1 flat per week, assuming 3-4 days of riding. I have a 28mm (true width) Armadillo on the back on my nice fixie (don't like unbolting the wheel along the road if I can avoid it) and I run it at about 90PSI. I weigh 200+ and frankly I don't notice anything horrible going on back there. I think a lot of newbies are deathly afraid of getting a flat and go for ultra stout over light and more likely to flat... Doug On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 4:57 PM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.comwrote: On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 3:48 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.comwrote: On Thu, 2010-01-07 at 14:34 -0800, cyclotourist wrote: On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 2:19 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Thu, 2010-01-07 at 14:14 -0800, beth h wrote: An astonishingly bomb-proof tire with an equally astonishingly mediocre ride quality. Those two things do tend to go together. How does it compare with the Specialized Armadillo (my all time worst ever ride quality tire)? -- Please do not ever mention that tire in polite company. You would be very surprised to see how many high end (and I'm talking 8 grand and up) road bikes I see with those Armadillo 700x23s. I find it entirely incomprehensible. -- Not surprised, amazed. Do they come stock like that or to owners put them on after purchasing them? I can't imagine a mnfg. allowing their bike to leave the factory with those mounted. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com (505) 227-0523 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Vittoria Randonneur
I havent had a flat since August. Now that Beth has doomed herself to a double flat on her next ride (Just kidding Beth) :-) On Jan 8, 1:15 pm, Beth betha.lu...@gmail.com wrote: Greetings from a lurker, I'm reading all of these reports multiple flats with some amusement/ astonishment/surprise. [Obligatory Riv content: I wait until March for my Betty :)] My current roadbike/daily commuter has Specialized All Condition 700 x 28s on them. I survive four sets of Amtrak tracks and 2 sets of light rail tracks, glass and potholes each day by 1) utilizing the services of a set of Mr. Tuffys 2) not inflating them so far that they are easily popped. I havent had a flat since August. As always, YMMV! Back to lurker mode and patiently awaiting my Betty, -Beth L. (all the cool cylce chicks are named Beth ;) On Jan 8, 9:17 am, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Rick Risemberg. They were on sale @ Nashbar and he said they were great. Forget the model he recommended though. On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 5:27 AM, Frederick, Steve frede...@mail.lib.msu.eduwrote: There was a thread on the iBob list not long ago and one person voiced a strong preference for a particular model of the Randonneur--they do come in many versions. Worth checking the archives perhaps--it wasn't very long ago. Steve wishing for a Pugsley after the 7 snow storm last night Frederick, East Lansing, MI -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of Bill M. Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 8:41 PM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] Re: Vittoria Randonneur Vittoria's sizing is a little misleading. The 37-622 size is also labeled 700 x 35c, and that's closer to the actual width. I have the 700 x 35c/37-622 mm Randonneur Pro's on my Miyata 1000. They measure 34 mm wide on narrow Velocity Aerohead rims. and would probably make a true 35 on a wider rim. The 37 may refer to the height. There are a lot of different versions in the Randonneur series. Vittoria claims 640 gm for the 35 mm Randonneur and the Randonneur Cross, 450 gm for the Rando Cross Pro, and 430 gm for the Rando Pro. There's also a new Randonneur Hyper at 390 gm, and more heavy duty versions ranging from 700 to over 800 gm. You have to know which version you're getting, and which the commenters' experiences are based on! As for my Rando Pro's, I like them. I think they roll as well as the 32 mm Paselas I have on my Riv Road, but they flat less easily and have reflective sidewalls. I would not be surprised if the heavier versions did not roll or ride as well as the Pro's and I think that has added to the mixed reviews of these tires. When I wear out the Paselas, I might look for a pair of 32 mm Hypers as a replacement (28's would be a better fit, if they made them). I suspect they'll give the Marathon Supremes a run for their money. I had 50 mm Supremes on my Riv M/E when I sold it, and thought they were OK but not amazing tires. The fixie crowd has apparently latched onto the non-Pro Randos as tires that will withstand lots of skid stops. Probably not a priority for Riv list readers! Bill On Jan 7, 9:34 am, Eric Norris campyonly...@me.com wrote: Has anybody used these tires? How do they compare to Paselas? -- Eric Norriswww.campyonly.comwww.wheelsnorth.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscrib...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Vittoria Randonneur
Hey Eric, I had a set of these tires for commuting and a long tour and was super happy with them. NO flats and they lasted quite a long time--I think they are still on a friend's bike now. They are heavier than Paselas, but whatever. I stopped using Paselas entirely after two sidewall failures in a week, one on tour no less. They do run small. The 37mm measured out to 32ish I think. I have a pair for summer road rides that are 28's and they measure to 25ish I think. Too skinny for me. In fact, if you want them let me know! I guess I didn't notice what Jon experienced with the sluggishness, more than likely because I am sluggish myself. Oh, I can't wait until the snow melts and I can ride smth tires again! Scott On Jan 7, 11:34 am, Eric Norris campyonly...@me.com wrote: Has anybody used these tires? How do they compare to Paselas? -- Eric Norriswww.campyonly.comwww.wheelsnorth.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Vittoria Randonneur
An astonishingly bomb-proof tire with an equally astonishingly mediocre ride quality. I think this tire is closer to the Schwalbe Marathon in intended performance than to the Pasela -- and between Vittoria and Schwalbe the Marathon is still the better tire. Beth On Jan 7, 9:34 am, Eric Norris campyonly...@me.com wrote: Has anybody used these tires? How do they compare to Paselas? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Vittoria Randonneur
On Thu, 2010-01-07 at 14:14 -0800, beth h wrote: An astonishingly bomb-proof tire with an equally astonishingly mediocre ride quality. Those two things do tend to go together. How does it compare with the Specialized Armadillo (my all time worst ever ride quality tire)? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Vittoria Randonneur
On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 2:19 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Thu, 2010-01-07 at 14:14 -0800, beth h wrote: An astonishingly bomb-proof tire with an equally astonishingly mediocre ride quality. Those two things do tend to go together. How does it compare with the Specialized Armadillo (my all time worst ever ride quality tire)? -- Please do not ever mention that tire in polite company. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Vittoria Randonneur
On Thu, 2010-01-07 at 14:34 -0800, cyclotourist wrote: On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 2:19 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Thu, 2010-01-07 at 14:14 -0800, beth h wrote: An astonishingly bomb-proof tire with an equally astonishingly mediocre ride quality. Those two things do tend to go together. How does it compare with the Specialized Armadillo (my all time worst ever ride quality tire)? -- Please do not ever mention that tire in polite company. You would be very surprised to see how many high end (and I'm talking 8 grand and up) road bikes I see with those Armadillo 700x23s. I find it entirely incomprehensible. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Vittoria Randonneur
On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 3:48 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Thu, 2010-01-07 at 14:34 -0800, cyclotourist wrote: On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 2:19 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Thu, 2010-01-07 at 14:14 -0800, beth h wrote: An astonishingly bomb-proof tire with an equally astonishingly mediocre ride quality. Those two things do tend to go together. How does it compare with the Specialized Armadillo (my all time worst ever ride quality tire)? -- Please do not ever mention that tire in polite company. You would be very surprised to see how many high end (and I'm talking 8 grand and up) road bikes I see with those Armadillo 700x23s. I find it entirely incomprehensible. -- Not surprised, amazed. Do they come stock like that or to owners put them on after purchasing them? I can't imagine a mnfg. allowing their bike to leave the factory with those mounted. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Vittoria Randonneur
I had a set of 700x32 Vittoria Randonneurs and liked them quite a bit. Sturdy dependable tires. Definitely not as pillowy as a set of Paselas, but they were still nice fast rolling tires. Mounting Vittoria Randonneurs also requires a bit of effort the first few times. 32's were actually about 28mm on my rims. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Vittoria Randonneur
On Thu, 2010-01-07 at 15:57 -0800, cyclotourist wrote: Not surprised, amazed. Do they come stock like that or to owners put them on after purchasing them? I can't imagine a mnfg. allowing their bike to leave the factory with those mounted. I'm talking about custom Sevens and Serottas here; they're usually built up at the shop -- and as far as I can tell, the Armadillos are the ONLY 700x23 tires my LBS sells. I can't imagine spending that much money in the hope of getting a bike that rides great, and putting such awful riding tires on it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Vittoria Randonneur
Actually, I had a marginally BETTER ride on the Armadillo than on the Randonneur. Go figure. Beth On Jan 7, 2:19 pm, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Thu, 2010-01-07 at 14:14 -0800, beth h wrote: An astonishingly bomb-proof tire with an equally astonishingly mediocre ride quality. Those two things do tend to go together. How does it compare with the Specialized Armadillo (my all time worst ever ride quality tire)? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Vittoria Randonneur
On Thu, 2010-01-07 at 16:20 -0800, beth h wrote: Actually, I had a marginally BETTER ride on the Armadillo than on the Randonneur. Go figure. I was originally going to say, How do you get colder than zero degrees Kelvin? and then I realized, bad as it is, the Armadillo is still a pneumatic tire made of rubber. It could be worse: it could be a solid. It could be made of wood with a shrunk-on steel band for tread. There are lots of things worse than an Armadillo. I'm really surprised to learn Vittoria makes one, though. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Vittoria Randonneur
On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 4:17 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Thu, 2010-01-07 at 15:57 -0800, cyclotourist wrote: Not surprised, amazed. Do they come stock like that or to owners put them on after purchasing them? I can't imagine a mnfg. allowing their bike to leave the factory with those mounted. I'm talking about custom Sevens and Serottas here; they're usually built up at the shop -- and as far as I can tell, the Armadillos are the ONLY 700x23 tires my LBS sells. I can't imagine spending that much money in the hope of getting a bike that rides great, and putting such awful riding tires on it. -- Wow. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Vittoria Randonneur
No offense guys, but you clearly ride on pretty decent roads. Where I ride, even an armadillo is no guarantee that you won't get at least 1 flat per week, assuming 3-4 days of riding. I have a 28mm (true width) Armadillo on the back on my nice fixie (don't like unbolting the wheel along the road if I can avoid it) and I run it at about 90PSI. I weigh 200+ and frankly I don't notice anything horrible going on back there. I think a lot of newbies are deathly afraid of getting a flat and go for ultra stout over light and more likely to flat... Doug On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 4:57 PM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 3:48 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Thu, 2010-01-07 at 14:34 -0800, cyclotourist wrote: On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 2:19 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Thu, 2010-01-07 at 14:14 -0800, beth h wrote: An astonishingly bomb-proof tire with an equally astonishingly mediocre ride quality. Those two things do tend to go together. How does it compare with the Specialized Armadillo (my all time worst ever ride quality tire)? -- Please do not ever mention that tire in polite company. You would be very surprised to see how many high end (and I'm talking 8 grand and up) road bikes I see with those Armadillo 700x23s. I find it entirely incomprehensible. -- Not surprised, amazed. Do they come stock like that or to owners put them on after purchasing them? I can't imagine a mnfg. allowing their bike to leave the factory with those mounted. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Vittoria Randonneur
Vittoria's sizing is a little misleading. The 37-622 size is also labeled 700 x 35c, and that's closer to the actual width. I have the 700 x 35c/37-622 mm Randonneur Pro's on my Miyata 1000. They measure 34 mm wide on narrow Velocity Aerohead rims. and would probably make a true 35 on a wider rim. The 37 may refer to the height. There are a lot of different versions in the Randonneur series. Vittoria claims 640 gm for the 35 mm Randonneur and the Randonneur Cross, 450 gm for the Rando Cross Pro, and 430 gm for the Rando Pro. There's also a new Randonneur Hyper at 390 gm, and more heavy duty versions ranging from 700 to over 800 gm. You have to know which version you're getting, and which the commenters' experiences are based on! As for my Rando Pro's, I like them. I think they roll as well as the 32 mm Paselas I have on my Riv Road, but they flat less easily and have reflective sidewalls. I would not be surprised if the heavier versions did not roll or ride as well as the Pro's and I think that has added to the mixed reviews of these tires. When I wear out the Paselas, I might look for a pair of 32 mm Hypers as a replacement (28's would be a better fit, if they made them). I suspect they'll give the Marathon Supremes a run for their money. I had 50 mm Supremes on my Riv M/E when I sold it, and thought they were OK but not amazing tires. The fixie crowd has apparently latched onto the non-Pro Randos as tires that will withstand lots of skid stops. Probably not a priority for Riv list readers! Bill On Jan 7, 9:34 am, Eric Norris campyonly...@me.com wrote: Has anybody used these tires? How do they compare to Paselas? -- Eric Norriswww.campyonly.comwww.wheelsnorth.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Vittoria Randonneur
Have a co-worker that uses Armadillo on his 3k or so Specialized Roubaix. He's not the best at fixing flats and would rather have a tough tire than a smoother ride. Had a set of Randonneur tires. They were good for holding up my nearly 300 pounds. Didn't notice the ride quality at the time. They are not nearly the worst tires I've used. That goes to either the WTB Slickasaurus or Bontrager Select K. Both were flat prone when I had them and just ugly feeling. Luckily they do work as trainer tires. The Schwalbe Marathon on my Brompton are no great joy. However, dread fixing a flat on that bike. So they stay on. (Hey, that's it can blame my slow riding in August at the SoCal Riv Ride on those tires.) Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Jan 7, 7:21�pm, Doug Van Cleve dvancl...@gmail.com wrote: No offense guys, but you clearly ride on pretty decent roads. �Where I ride, even an armadillo is no guarantee that you won't get at least 1 flat per week, assuming 3-4 days of riding. �I have a 28mm (true width) Armadillo on the back on my nice fixie (don't like unbolting the wheel along the road if I can avoid it) and I run it at about 90PSI. �I weigh 200+ and frankly I don't notice anything horrible going on back there. I think a lot of newbies are deathly afraid of getting a flat and go for ultra stout over light and more likely to flat... Doug On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 4:57 PM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 3:48 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Thu, 2010-01-07 at 14:34 -0800, cyclotourist wrote: On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 2:19 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: � � � � On Thu, 2010-01-07 at 14:14 -0800, beth h wrote: � � � � An astonishingly bomb-proof tire with an equally � � � � astonishingly � � � � mediocre ride quality. � � � � Those two things do tend to go together. �How does it compare � � � � with the � � � � Specialized Armadillo (my all time worst ever ride quality � � � � tire)? � � � � -- Please do not ever mention that tire in polite company. You would be very surprised to see how many high end (and I'm talking 8 grand and up) road bikes I see with those Armadillo 700x23s. �I find it entirely incomprehensible. -- Not surprised, amazed. �Do they come stock like that or to owners put them on after purchasing them? �I can't imagine a mnfg. allowing their bike to leave the factory with those mounted. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. �~Bill Nye, scientist guy- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Vittoria Randonneur
I have officially just gone through a 100 pack of Rema patcheshttp://www.jensonusa.com/store/product/TL308I03-Rema+F1-P+25Mm+Round+Patches.aspx?sc=FRGLin three years. I'd rather do that than ride on Armadillos :-) On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 5:21 PM, Doug Van Cleve dvancl...@gmail.com wrote: No offense guys, but you clearly ride on pretty decent roads. Where I ride, even an armadillo is no guarantee that you won't get at least 1 flat per week, assuming 3-4 days of riding. I have a 28mm (true width) Armadillo on the back on my nice fixie (don't like unbolting the wheel along the road if I can avoid it) and I run it at about 90PSI. I weigh 200+ and frankly I don't notice anything horrible going on back there. I think a lot of newbies are deathly afraid of getting a flat and go for ultra stout over light and more likely to flat... Doug On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 4:57 PM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.comwrote: On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 3:48 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Thu, 2010-01-07 at 14:34 -0800, cyclotourist wrote: On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 2:19 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Thu, 2010-01-07 at 14:14 -0800, beth h wrote: An astonishingly bomb-proof tire with an equally astonishingly mediocre ride quality. Those two things do tend to go together. How does it compare with the Specialized Armadillo (my all time worst ever ride quality tire)? -- Please do not ever mention that tire in polite company. You would be very surprised to see how many high end (and I'm talking 8 grand and up) road bikes I see with those Armadillo 700x23s. I find it entirely incomprehensible. -- Not surprised, amazed. Do they come stock like that or to owners put them on after purchasing them? I can't imagine a mnfg. allowing their bike to leave the factory with those mounted. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Vittoria Randonneur
On Jan 7, 9:34 am, Eric Norris campyonly...@me.com wrote: Has anybody used these tires? How do they compare to Paselas? I've used (and still use) the bog-standard Randonneur. They're the most bombproof tires I've used in the last 20 years, at the cost of being really heavy and really wanting to go square after about 1000 miles. Aside from the squaring off, they feel about the same as a regular Pasela (but I've only ridden on Paselas for about 500 miles, so I don't know if they'll wear nearly as well.) -david parsons -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
