[RBW] Re: WTB: 64cm skinny tire + fenders roadbike

2012-04-09 Thread Jared Volpe
Ryan,

Thanks for the inspiration.  I'm still looking for someone who is
looking to shed a 64 SH, 62 Hunq, 64 Bomba, or 67 AHH.  If I don't
find one soon I'm going to break down and buy a 64cm Surly LHT but it
will likely be too small.  I hope someone will save me from this
fate!

I'm 95-96cm in the PBH. Comfortable with a seat height of 83 - 84cm.

I'm looking to do some commuting and short ( 1 week) tours.  Fire
roads, back roads, etc.  Seems like a lot of Rivs would fit the bill.

According to Keven@Riv the following frames would work:
64cm Sam Hillborne
62cm Hunqapillar
64cm Bombadil
67cm AHH

Do you have a Riv you want to sell?  Drop me a line if so.

Jared

On Apr 8, 3:04 pm, Ryan Ray ryanr...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi everyone. I had some great offers but someone responded from a few
 blocks away with a Rivendell Rambouillet that wasn't getting much attention
 due to his amazing collection of great bikes (he rides his Bleriot mostly).
 It was way more than what I was looking for but I couldn't pass it up. Once
 the deal goes through and I move some parts over I'll post pics.

 If anyone is looking to buy a bike I highly recommend a post to this group.
 There are some amazing bikes not being ridden enough in here!

 Thanks again,

 Ryan







 On Friday, April 6, 2012 11:24:45 AM UTC-7, Ryan Ray wrote:

  I finally convinced the Mrs. to let me get a second bike (as long as I
  only spend freelance money on it). I'm looking for a steel club ride type
  of bike allowing me to continue packing useful racks and gadgets (dynamo
  lighting!) on my touring bike and maybe even putting some albatross bars
  and a springy saddle on it.

  I'm on the lookout for a 64cm (or close) road bike that will fit fenders
  and 25s or 28s but not necessarily racks or anything. Downtube shifter
  bosses a plus. This bike will be ridden on 4 hr or less rides where I try
  and keep up with my pretend racer friends who like to ride really fast. A
  nice long top tube would be great as I hate toeverlap.

  Interested in frame only, or full bike. Time to thin your herd and let
  someone ride it every day! In Seattle a huge plus but I don't mind paying
  shipping.

  Iv'e checked ebay and CL and nothing interesting yet. If I don't find
  anything soon I'll likely go with a Smoothie ES later this year.

  - Ryan

 On Friday, April 6, 2012 11:24:45 AM UTC-7, Ryan Ray wrote:

  I finally convinced the Mrs. to let me get a second bike (as long as I
  only spend freelance money on it). I'm looking for a steel club ride type
  of bike allowing me to continue packing useful racks and gadgets (dynamo
  lighting!) on my touring bike and maybe even putting some albatross bars
  and a springy saddle on it.

  I'm on the lookout for a 64cm (or close) road bike that will fit fenders
  and 25s or 28s but not necessarily racks or anything. Downtube shifter
  bosses a plus. This bike will be ridden on 4 hr or less rides where I try
  and keep up with my pretend racer friends who like to ride really fast. A
  nice long top tube would be great as I hate toeverlap.

  Interested in frame only, or full bike. Time to thin your herd and let
  someone ride it every day! In Seattle a huge plus but I don't mind paying
  shipping.

  Iv'e checked ebay and CL and nothing interesting yet. If I don't find
  anything soon I'll likely go with a Smoothie ES later this year.

  - Ryan

 On Friday, April 6, 2012 11:24:45 AM UTC-7, Ryan Ray wrote:

  I finally convinced the Mrs. to let me get a second bike (as long as I
  only spend freelance money on it). I'm looking for a steel club ride type
  of bike allowing me to continue packing useful racks and gadgets (dynamo
  lighting!) on my touring bike and maybe even putting some albatross bars
  and a springy saddle on it.

  I'm on the lookout for a 64cm (or close) road bike that will fit fenders
  and 25s or 28s but not necessarily racks or anything. Downtube shifter
  bosses a plus. This bike will be ridden on 4 hr or less rides where I try
  and keep up with my pretend racer friends who like to ride really fast. A
  nice long top tube would be great as I hate toeverlap.

  Interested in frame only, or full bike. Time to thin your herd and let
  someone ride it every day! In Seattle a huge plus but I don't mind paying
  shipping.

  Iv'e checked ebay and CL and nothing interesting yet. If I don't find
  anything soon I'll likely go with a Smoothie ES later this year.

  - Ryan

 On Friday, April 6, 2012 11:24:45 AM UTC-7, Ryan Ray wrote:

  I finally convinced the Mrs. to let me get a second bike (as long as I
  only spend freelance money on it). I'm looking for a steel club ride type
  of bike allowing me to continue packing useful racks and gadgets (dynamo
  lighting!) on my touring bike and maybe even putting some albatross bars
  and a springy saddle on it.

  I'm on the lookout for a 64cm (or close) road bike that will fit fenders
  and 25s or 28s but not necessarily racks or anything. Downtube shifter
  

[RBW] Re: WTB: 64cm skinny tire + fenders roadbike

2012-04-09 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
Good luck in your search, Jared. Just wanted to chime in that the 64 LHT is 
similar in geometry to the 67 AHH. We recently sold a 62 cm LHT to a guy who 
has a 65 cm AHH that we were trying to match fit-wise, and they were pretty 
close in all the relevant measurements. In fact, I thought he'd be slightly 
better off with a 60, but being a Riv-oriented type, he didn't want to get a 
too-small bike.

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[RBW] Re: WTB: 64cm skinny tire + fenders roadbike

2012-04-09 Thread Ryan Ray
By brother just built up a Surly Ogre in one size DOWN from the largest. 
It's *slightly* more heavy than an LHT and allot bigger. As the forks don't 
get any longer he chose the second biggest size and it fits great. He and I 
ride about the same size road bike (64cm).

The Ogre can be taken on road tours, off-road tours, fits an assortment of 
racks and gadgets, canti brakes, disk brakes... If I couldn't spring for a 
bomba I would pick up an Ogre. I would still probably have a used bomba but 
even a used one will likely be 2x as expensive.

- Ryan





On Monday, April 9, 2012 5:32:35 AM UTC-7, Jared Volpe wrote:

 Ryan, 

 Thanks for the inspiration.  I'm still looking for someone who is 
 looking to shed a 64 SH, 62 Hunq, 64 Bomba, or 67 AHH.  If I don't 
 find one soon I'm going to break down and buy a 64cm Surly LHT but it 
 will likely be too small.  I hope someone will save me from this 
 fate! 

 I'm 95-96cm in the PBH. Comfortable with a seat height of 83 - 84cm. 

 I'm looking to do some commuting and short ( 1 week) tours.  Fire 
 roads, back roads, etc.  Seems like a lot of Rivs would fit the bill. 

 According to Keven@Riv the following frames would work: 
 64cm Sam Hillborne 
 62cm Hunqapillar 
 64cm Bombadil 
 67cm AHH 

 Do you have a Riv you want to sell?  Drop me a line if so. 

 Jared 

 On Apr 8, 3:04 pm, Ryan Ray ryanr...@gmail.com wrote: 
  Hi everyone. I had some great offers but someone responded from a few 
  blocks away with a Rivendell Rambouillet that wasn't getting much 
 attention 
  due to his amazing collection of great bikes (he rides his Bleriot 
 mostly). 
  It was way more than what I was looking for but I couldn't pass it up. 
 Once 
  the deal goes through and I move some parts over I'll post pics. 
  
  If anyone is looking to buy a bike I highly recommend a post to this 
 group. 
  There are some amazing bikes not being ridden enough in here! 
  
  Thanks again, 
  
  Ryan 
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  On Friday, April 6, 2012 11:24:45 AM UTC-7, Ryan Ray wrote: 
  
   I finally convinced the Mrs. to let me get a second bike (as long as I 
   only spend freelance money on it). I'm looking for a steel club ride 
 type 
   of bike allowing me to continue packing useful racks and gadgets 
 (dynamo 
   lighting!) on my touring bike and maybe even putting some albatross 
 bars 
   and a springy saddle on it. 
  
   I'm on the lookout for a 64cm (or close) road bike that will fit 
 fenders 
   and 25s or 28s but not necessarily racks or anything. Downtube shifter 
   bosses a plus. This bike will be ridden on 4 hr or less rides where I 
 try 
   and keep up with my pretend racer friends who like to ride really 
 fast. A 
   nice long top tube would be great as I hate toeverlap. 
  
   Interested in frame only, or full bike. Time to thin your herd and let 
   someone ride it every day! In Seattle a huge plus but I don't mind 
 paying 
   shipping. 
  
   Iv'e checked ebay and CL and nothing interesting yet. If I don't find 
   anything soon I'll likely go with a Smoothie ES later this year. 
  
   - Ryan 
  
  On Friday, April 6, 2012 11:24:45 AM UTC-7, Ryan Ray wrote: 
  
   I finally convinced the Mrs. to let me get a second bike (as long as I 
   only spend freelance money on it). I'm looking for a steel club ride 
 type 
   of bike allowing me to continue packing useful racks and gadgets 
 (dynamo 
   lighting!) on my touring bike and maybe even putting some albatross 
 bars 
   and a springy saddle on it. 
  
   I'm on the lookout for a 64cm (or close) road bike that will fit 
 fenders 
   and 25s or 28s but not necessarily racks or anything. Downtube shifter 
   bosses a plus. This bike will be ridden on 4 hr or less rides where I 
 try 
   and keep up with my pretend racer friends who like to ride really 
 fast. A 
   nice long top tube would be great as I hate toeverlap. 
  
   Interested in frame only, or full bike. Time to thin your herd and let 
   someone ride it every day! In Seattle a huge plus but I don't mind 
 paying 
   shipping. 
  
   Iv'e checked ebay and CL and nothing interesting yet. If I don't find 
   anything soon I'll likely go with a Smoothie ES later this year. 
  
   - Ryan 
  
  On Friday, April 6, 2012 11:24:45 AM UTC-7, Ryan Ray wrote: 
  
   I finally convinced the Mrs. to let me get a second bike (as long as I 
   only spend freelance money on it). I'm looking for a steel club ride 
 type 
   of bike allowing me to continue packing useful racks and gadgets 
 (dynamo 
   lighting!) on my touring bike and maybe even putting some albatross 
 bars 
   and a springy saddle on it. 
  
   I'm on the lookout for a 64cm (or close) road bike that will fit 
 fenders 
   and 25s or 28s but not necessarily racks or anything. Downtube shifter 
   bosses a plus. This bike will be ridden on 4 hr or less rides where I 
 try 
   and keep up with my pretend racer friends who like to ride really 
 fast. A 
   nice long top tube would be great as I hate 

[RBW] Re: WTB: 64cm skinny tire + fenders roadbike

2012-04-08 Thread Ryan Ray
Hi everyone. I had some great offers but someone responded from a few 
blocks away with a Rivendell Rambouillet that wasn't getting much attention 
due to his amazing collection of great bikes (he rides his Bleriot mostly). 
It was way more than what I was looking for but I couldn't pass it up. Once 
the deal goes through and I move some parts over I'll post pics.

If anyone is looking to buy a bike I highly recommend a post to this group. 
There are some amazing bikes not being ridden enough in here!

Thanks again,

Ryan






On Friday, April 6, 2012 11:24:45 AM UTC-7, Ryan Ray wrote:

 I finally convinced the Mrs. to let me get a second bike (as long as I 
 only spend freelance money on it). I'm looking for a steel club ride type 
 of bike allowing me to continue packing useful racks and gadgets (dynamo 
 lighting!) on my touring bike and maybe even putting some albatross bars 
 and a springy saddle on it.

 I'm on the lookout for a 64cm (or close) road bike that will fit fenders 
 and 25s or 28s but not necessarily racks or anything. Downtube shifter 
 bosses a plus. This bike will be ridden on 4 hr or less rides where I try 
 and keep up with my pretend racer friends who like to ride really fast. A 
 nice long top tube would be great as I hate toeverlap.

 Interested in frame only, or full bike. Time to thin your herd and let 
 someone ride it every day! In Seattle a huge plus but I don't mind paying 
 shipping.

 Iv'e checked ebay and CL and nothing interesting yet. If I don't find 
 anything soon I'll likely go with a Smoothie ES later this year.

 - Ryan


On Friday, April 6, 2012 11:24:45 AM UTC-7, Ryan Ray wrote:

 I finally convinced the Mrs. to let me get a second bike (as long as I 
 only spend freelance money on it). I'm looking for a steel club ride type 
 of bike allowing me to continue packing useful racks and gadgets (dynamo 
 lighting!) on my touring bike and maybe even putting some albatross bars 
 and a springy saddle on it.

 I'm on the lookout for a 64cm (or close) road bike that will fit fenders 
 and 25s or 28s but not necessarily racks or anything. Downtube shifter 
 bosses a plus. This bike will be ridden on 4 hr or less rides where I try 
 and keep up with my pretend racer friends who like to ride really fast. A 
 nice long top tube would be great as I hate toeverlap.

 Interested in frame only, or full bike. Time to thin your herd and let 
 someone ride it every day! In Seattle a huge plus but I don't mind paying 
 shipping.

 Iv'e checked ebay and CL and nothing interesting yet. If I don't find 
 anything soon I'll likely go with a Smoothie ES later this year.

 - Ryan


On Friday, April 6, 2012 11:24:45 AM UTC-7, Ryan Ray wrote:

 I finally convinced the Mrs. to let me get a second bike (as long as I 
 only spend freelance money on it). I'm looking for a steel club ride type 
 of bike allowing me to continue packing useful racks and gadgets (dynamo 
 lighting!) on my touring bike and maybe even putting some albatross bars 
 and a springy saddle on it.

 I'm on the lookout for a 64cm (or close) road bike that will fit fenders 
 and 25s or 28s but not necessarily racks or anything. Downtube shifter 
 bosses a plus. This bike will be ridden on 4 hr or less rides where I try 
 and keep up with my pretend racer friends who like to ride really fast. A 
 nice long top tube would be great as I hate toeverlap.

 Interested in frame only, or full bike. Time to thin your herd and let 
 someone ride it every day! In Seattle a huge plus but I don't mind paying 
 shipping.

 Iv'e checked ebay and CL and nothing interesting yet. If I don't find 
 anything soon I'll likely go with a Smoothie ES later this year.

 - Ryan


On Friday, April 6, 2012 11:24:45 AM UTC-7, Ryan Ray wrote:

 I finally convinced the Mrs. to let me get a second bike (as long as I 
 only spend freelance money on it). I'm looking for a steel club ride type 
 of bike allowing me to continue packing useful racks and gadgets (dynamo 
 lighting!) on my touring bike and maybe even putting some albatross bars 
 and a springy saddle on it.

 I'm on the lookout for a 64cm (or close) road bike that will fit fenders 
 and 25s or 28s but not necessarily racks or anything. Downtube shifter 
 bosses a plus. This bike will be ridden on 4 hr or less rides where I try 
 and keep up with my pretend racer friends who like to ride really fast. A 
 nice long top tube would be great as I hate toeverlap.

 Interested in frame only, or full bike. Time to thin your herd and let 
 someone ride it every day! In Seattle a huge plus but I don't mind paying 
 shipping.

 Iv'e checked ebay and CL and nothing interesting yet. If I don't find 
 anything soon I'll likely go with a Smoothie ES later this year.

 - Ryan


On Friday, April 6, 2012 11:24:45 AM UTC-7, Ryan Ray wrote:

 I finally convinced the Mrs. to let me get a second bike (as long as I 
 only spend freelance money on it). I'm looking for a steel club ride type 
 of bike allowing me to 

[RBW] Re: WTB: 64cm skinny tire + fenders roadbike

2012-04-06 Thread Michael Hechmer
Ryan,  I have a 61cm  1984 Trek that fits your description to a tee.  I 
have thought about selling it from time to time because the fit and ride is 
almost identical to my 62cm Ramboulet.  Maybe this is the time to do it. 
 Trek advertised this as a touring bike but it is really a sport touring 
bike.  Reynolds 531C steel, standard size.  They put canti studs on it to 
try to make it look like a touring bike but the brake reach is actually 57 
and I now run a pair of Campy Grand Sport Side Pulls. (their touring 
version of the old NR) brakes, but the original DiCompes work fine with 
700c wheels.  You can just squeeze 32 mm tires under SKS fenders, but 28s 
are optimal, much like the Ramboulet.  This bike climbs very well and is 
rock solid on hi speed descents, exactly like the Ram.

These photos are a few years old
http://gallery.me.com/mhechmer#100014


 but scratch wise it's not much different today.  I have some different 
components on it now.  It has a brand new  expensive Cane Creek HS.  If 
you are interested I could sell the frameset, HS  BB for $600 plus 
shipping.  I can also offer very good prices on most of the remaining 
components: Sugino 175 mm RD2 crank (48x34x26), 105FD, Ultegra (long)RD, 
DiCompe or Campy brakes, 105/Synergy wheels.  Fair prices on Nitto bars, 
stem, seatpost,  silver BE or DT shifters.  This vintage of bike didn't 
come with DT braze-ons, but with a little effort I'm sure you can come up 
with an old set of clamp on studs.  The frame now has DT clamp on cable 
stops.

BTW, my stand over  is 91cm and have no trouble fitting on this bike. I 
ride with bars about 2 cm below the seat. I'm fairly tall waisted and so 
this bike currently has a 12cm nitto delux stem, but I have sometime 
thought a slightly shorter one would do fine. I use Frog petals and don't 
remember any TCO problem.  With fenders and clips every bike  I have ever 
ridden has at least some TCO .

If you're interested I could take  send current photos.

Michael
Westford, Vt

On Friday, April 6, 2012 2:24:45 PM UTC-4, HappyCamper wrote:

 I finally convinced the Mrs. to let me get a second bike (as long as I 
 only spend freelance money on it). I'm looking for a steel club ride type 
 of bike allowing me to continue packing useful racks and gadgets (dynamo 
 lighting!) on my touring bike and maybe even putting some albatross bars 
 and a springy saddle on it.

 I'm on the lookout for a 64cm (or close) road bike that will fit fenders 
 and 25s or 28s but not necessarily racks or anything. Downtube shifter 
 bosses a plus. This bike will be ridden on 4 hr or less rides where I try 
 and keep up with my pretend racer friends who like to ride really fast. A 
 nice long top tube would be great as I hate toeverlap.

 Interested in frame only, or full bike. Time to thin your herd and let 
 someone ride it every day! In Seattle a huge plus but I don't mind paying 
 shipping.

 Iv'e checked ebay and CL and nothing interesting yet. If I don't find 
 anything soon I'll likely go with a Smoothie ES later this year.

 - Ryan


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[RBW] Re: WTB: 64cm skinny tire + fenders roadbike

2012-04-06 Thread Ryan Ray
Thanks! I'm probably sticking so a 64 mostly because (most of the time) the 
top tubes are longer. Whats the top tube on tour Trek? That is a very nice 
bike though and along the lines of what I'm looking for.

- Ryan




On Friday, April 6, 2012 1:11:13 PM UTC-7, MichaelH wrote:

 Ryan,  I have a 61cm  1984 Trek that fits your description to a tee.  I 
 have thought about selling it from time to time because the fit and ride is 
 almost identical to my 62cm Ramboulet.  Maybe this is the time to do it. 
  Trek advertised this as a touring bike but it is really a sport touring 
 bike.  Reynolds 531C steel, standard size.  They put canti studs on it to 
 try to make it look like a touring bike but the brake reach is actually 57 
 and I now run a pair of Campy Grand Sport Side Pulls. (their touring 
 version of the old NR) brakes, but the original DiCompes work fine with 
 700c wheels.  You can just squeeze 32 mm tires under SKS fenders, but 28s 
 are optimal, much like the Ramboulet.  This bike climbs very well and is 
 rock solid on hi speed descents, exactly like the Ram.

 These photos are a few years old
 http://gallery.me.com/mhechmer#100014


  but scratch wise it's not much different today.  I have some different 
 components on it now.  It has a brand new  expensive Cane Creek HS.  If 
 you are interested I could sell the frameset, HS  BB for $600 plus 
 shipping.  I can also offer very good prices on most of the remaining 
 components: Sugino 175 mm RD2 crank (48x34x26), 105FD, Ultegra (long)RD, 
 DiCompe or Campy brakes, 105/Synergy wheels.  Fair prices on Nitto bars, 
 stem, seatpost,  silver BE or DT shifters.  This vintage of bike didn't 
 come with DT braze-ons, but with a little effort I'm sure you can come up 
 with an old set of clamp on studs.  The frame now has DT clamp on cable 
 stops.

 BTW, my stand over  is 91cm and have no trouble fitting on this bike. I 
 ride with bars about 2 cm below the seat. I'm fairly tall waisted and so 
 this bike currently has a 12cm nitto delux stem, but I have sometime 
 thought a slightly shorter one would do fine. I use Frog petals and don't 
 remember any TCO problem.  With fenders and clips every bike  I have ever 
 ridden has at least some TCO .

 If you're interested I could take  send current photos.

 Michael
 Westford, Vt

 On Friday, April 6, 2012 2:24:45 PM UTC-4, HappyCamper wrote:

 I finally convinced the Mrs. to let me get a second bike (as long as I 
 only spend freelance money on it). I'm looking for a steel club ride type 
 of bike allowing me to continue packing useful racks and gadgets (dynamo 
 lighting!) on my touring bike and maybe even putting some albatross bars 
 and a springy saddle on it.

 I'm on the lookout for a 64cm (or close) road bike that will fit fenders 
 and 25s or 28s but not necessarily racks or anything. Downtube shifter 
 bosses a plus. This bike will be ridden on 4 hr or less rides where I try 
 and keep up with my pretend racer friends who like to ride really fast. A 
 nice long top tube would be great as I hate toeverlap.

 Interested in frame only, or full bike. Time to thin your herd and let 
 someone ride it every day! In Seattle a huge plus but I don't mind paying 
 shipping.

 Iv'e checked ebay and CL and nothing interesting yet. If I don't find 
 anything soon I'll likely go with a Smoothie ES later this year.

 - Ryan



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[RBW] Re: WTB: 64cm skinny tire + fenders roadbike

2012-04-06 Thread Michael Hechmer
TT is 58 CC.  How tall are you?  I'm 6'1.   I'm not sure what the seat and 
head tube angles are on this bike.  But as these change, so does the TT 
length for a given reach.  The total can be controlled through stem length, 
which leaves TCO as the final variable.  TCO, as well as Trail will be 
affected by fork offset.  This bike has considerable fork off set which 
probably  explains the slightly shorter TT but (my subjective) experience 
that the bike doesn't have a TCO issue.

Good luck in your search.

Michael

On Friday, April 6, 2012 4:56:41 PM UTC-4, HappyCamper wrote:

 Thanks! I'm probably sticking so a 64 mostly because (most of the time) 
 the top tubes are longer. Whats the top tube on tour Trek? That is a very 
 nice bike though and along the lines of what I'm looking for.

 - Ryan




 On Friday, April 6, 2012 1:11:13 PM UTC-7, MichaelH wrote:

 Ryan,  I have a 61cm  1984 Trek that fits your description to a tee.  I 
 have thought about selling it from time to time because the fit and ride is 
 almost identical to my 62cm Ramboulet.  Maybe this is the time to do it. 
  Trek advertised this as a touring bike but it is really a sport touring 
 bike.  Reynolds 531C steel, standard size.  They put canti studs on it to 
 try to make it look like a touring bike but the brake reach is actually 57 
 and I now run a pair of Campy Grand Sport Side Pulls. (their touring 
 version of the old NR) brakes, but the original DiCompes work fine with 
 700c wheels.  You can just squeeze 32 mm tires under SKS fenders, but 28s 
 are optimal, much like the Ramboulet.  This bike climbs very well and is 
 rock solid on hi speed descents, exactly like the Ram.

 These photos are a few years old
 http://gallery.me.com/mhechmer#100014


  but scratch wise it's not much different today.  I have some different 
 components on it now.  It has a brand new  expensive Cane Creek HS.  If 
 you are interested I could sell the frameset, HS  BB for $600 plus 
 shipping.  I can also offer very good prices on most of the remaining 
 components: Sugino 175 mm RD2 crank (48x34x26), 105FD, Ultegra (long)RD, 
 DiCompe or Campy brakes, 105/Synergy wheels.  Fair prices on Nitto bars, 
 stem, seatpost,  silver BE or DT shifters.  This vintage of bike didn't 
 come with DT braze-ons, but with a little effort I'm sure you can come up 
 with an old set of clamp on studs.  The frame now has DT clamp on cable 
 stops.

 BTW, my stand over  is 91cm and have no trouble fitting on this bike. I 
 ride with bars about 2 cm below the seat. I'm fairly tall waisted and so 
 this bike currently has a 12cm nitto delux stem, but I have sometime 
 thought a slightly shorter one would do fine. I use Frog petals and don't 
 remember any TCO problem.  With fenders and clips every bike  I have ever 
 ridden has at least some TCO .

 If you're interested I could take  send current photos.

 Michael
 Westford, Vt

 On Friday, April 6, 2012 2:24:45 PM UTC-4, HappyCamper wrote:

 I finally convinced the Mrs. to let me get a second bike (as long as I 
 only spend freelance money on it). I'm looking for a steel club ride type 
 of bike allowing me to continue packing useful racks and gadgets (dynamo 
 lighting!) on my touring bike and maybe even putting some albatross bars 
 and a springy saddle on it.

 I'm on the lookout for a 64cm (or close) road bike that will fit fenders 
 and 25s or 28s but not necessarily racks or anything. Downtube shifter 
 bosses a plus. This bike will be ridden on 4 hr or less rides where I try 
 and keep up with my pretend racer friends who like to ride really fast. A 
 nice long top tube would be great as I hate toeverlap.

 Interested in frame only, or full bike. Time to thin your herd and let 
 someone ride it every day! In Seattle a huge plus but I don't mind paying 
 shipping.

 Iv'e checked ebay and CL and nothing interesting yet. If I don't find 
 anything soon I'll likely go with a Smoothie ES later this year.

 - Ryan



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