[RBW] Re: WTB: Mouseproof handlebar bag

2021-04-13 Thread KenP 
I've never had a mouse in my bike bags, but it's like wearing a helmet. You 
wear it even though you never got a broken skull.Maybe don't keep the 
bags outside.  Speaking of helmets, I did have a mouse make a nest in a 
helmet over one winter.   
So, the the helmets go inside now.  Did any one say get a cat?  Once my cat 
watched a mouse munch on his dry cat food,  and the sad cat looked at me 
and said Meow.  Might help to get a Rodini, though.  That head badge might 
do the trick.
Cheers
KenP
On Sunday, April 11, 2021 at 11:42:02 PM UTC-4 Drw wrote:

> I'm looking for a medium capacity handlebar bag with a few specific 
> requirements. 
>
> -rackless/decaleurless
> -larger than the little tube barrel style bags
> -uses a zipper or multi roll closure 
>
> The last requirement is on account that the bike gets left in a rural shed 
> and any bags with flap openings, like a carradice, become mouse nests 
> really fast (also if anyone knows how to keep mice out of nesting in lawn 
> mowers, that would be great intel).
>
> Id have bought the velo orange mini rando bag but its sold out. Open to 
> something bigger too, like a roadrunner jammer. Would like to keep it under 
> 100$
>
> I have a honey brooks conquest, green guru triangle bag, soma osprey 
> handlebars if a trade is of any interest. Also happy to pay. 
>
> email is  Dr ewbeck meyer @gmail.com
> Drew. Los angeles.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: Mouseproof handlebar bag

2021-04-13 Thread Drw 
interesting. i ordered some mint oil, but irish spring is even cheaper.  
I knew about the nests in bags and stuff, but I got a new lawnmower and it 
sat for a couple weeks. Went to turn it on last weekend and out shot 3 mice 
looking like they were gonna run off and die somewhere. Had to disassemble 
much of it to get all the nest stuff out and found a dead baby inside too. 
pretty gross. 

On Tuesday, April 13, 2021 at 4:44:00 AM UTC-7 Marty Gierke, Stewartstown 
PA wrote:

> Irish Spring soap (shaved or grated) seems to deter mice. I had a nest in 
> my AC unit beside the house, and one in my snowblower. (And we have cats!) 
> A pile of soap shavings took care of them. They recommend the same for pop 
> up campers that have lots of fabric to chew on. Maybe a cheescloth bag of 
> soap shavings in the bag would work? 
>
> Marty 
>
> On Monday, April 12, 2021 at 11:51:30 PM UTC-4 Robert Tilley wrote:
>
>> I had mice create a nest under the hood of my camper van. Since we’re in 
>> SoCal the nuts of choice to store were from palm trees. I still have some 
>> down in the engine compartment that I couldn’t get out with a vacuum.
>>
>>
>>
>> On tours I have had some animals chew through panniers I left outside of 
>> my tent. I also had raccoons unzip my panniers to get food out. Raccoons 
>> are definitely more considerate.
>>
>> I use a Middle Earth Jammer on one bike and really like the bag. Very 
>> stable and it can hold quite a bit of gear.
>>
>> Robert Tilley
>> San Diego, CA
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 12, 2021, at 8:34 AM, Drw  wrote:
>>
>> We have these weird mice in our area that only seem to care about 
>> breeding and storing tree nuts. Not once have they gone for any human 
>> food...the rats do, but not the mice. I keep several zippered bags in the 
>> shed that have received no mice attention, but anything with an opening 
>> becomes a nest. 
>>
>> On Monday, April 12, 2021 at 7:33:38 AM UTC-7 weste...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> FWIW, the only way to "mouseproof" a handlebar bag of any sort that is 
>>> used on a bike shored in a rural shed is to remove it from the bike and 
>>> take inside your house, where, presumably, the mice do not reside. 
>>>
>>> If you ever carry food or other comestibles in your bag the smells will 
>>> attract them even after the food is removed -- even through a zipper or a 
>>> roll up flap. They'll then chew holes in your bag to get in if there's not 
>>> a convenient opening, and then you're done for. 
>>>
>>> :) 
>>>
>>> Julian Westerhout
>>> Bloomington, IL 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, April 11, 2021 at 10:42:02 PM UTC-5 Drw wrote:
>>>
 I'm looking for a medium capacity handlebar bag with a few specific 
 requirements. 

 -rackless/decaleurless
 -larger than the little tube barrel style bags
 -uses a zipper or multi roll closure 

 The last requirement is on account that the bike gets left in a rural 
 shed and any bags with flap openings, like a carradice, become mouse nests 
 really fast (also if anyone knows how to keep mice out of nesting in lawn 
 mowers, that would be great intel).

 Id have bought the velo orange mini rando bag but its sold out. Open to 
 something bigger too, like a roadrunner jammer. Would like to keep it 
 under 
 100$

 I have a honey brooks conquest, green guru triangle bag, soma osprey 
 handlebars if a trade is of any interest. Also happy to pay. 

 email is  Dr ewbeck meyer @gmail.com
 Drew. Los angeles.

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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: Mouseproof handlebar bag

2021-04-13 Thread Marty Gierke, Stewartstown PA 
Irish Spring soap (shaved or grated) seems to deter mice. I had a nest in 
my AC unit beside the house, and one in my snowblower. (And we have cats!) 
A pile of soap shavings took care of them. They recommend the same for pop 
up campers that have lots of fabric to chew on. Maybe a cheescloth bag of 
soap shavings in the bag would work? 

Marty 

On Monday, April 12, 2021 at 11:51:30 PM UTC-4 Robert Tilley wrote:

> I had mice create a nest under the hood of my camper van. Since we’re in 
> SoCal the nuts of choice to store were from palm trees. I still have some 
> down in the engine compartment that I couldn’t get out with a vacuum.
>
>
>
> On tours I have had some animals chew through panniers I left outside of 
> my tent. I also had raccoons unzip my panniers to get food out. Raccoons 
> are definitely more considerate.
>
> I use a Middle Earth Jammer on one bike and really like the bag. Very 
> stable and it can hold quite a bit of gear.
>
> Robert Tilley
> San Diego, CA
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 12, 2021, at 8:34 AM, Drw  wrote:
>
> We have these weird mice in our area that only seem to care about 
> breeding and storing tree nuts. Not once have they gone for any human 
> food...the rats do, but not the mice. I keep several zippered bags in the 
> shed that have received no mice attention, but anything with an opening 
> becomes a nest. 
>
> On Monday, April 12, 2021 at 7:33:38 AM UTC-7 weste...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> FWIW, the only way to "mouseproof" a handlebar bag of any sort that is 
>> used on a bike shored in a rural shed is to remove it from the bike and 
>> take inside your house, where, presumably, the mice do not reside. 
>>
>> If you ever carry food or other comestibles in your bag the smells will 
>> attract them even after the food is removed -- even through a zipper or a 
>> roll up flap. They'll then chew holes in your bag to get in if there's not 
>> a convenient opening, and then you're done for. 
>>
>> :) 
>>
>> Julian Westerhout
>> Bloomington, IL 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, April 11, 2021 at 10:42:02 PM UTC-5 Drw wrote:
>>
>>> I'm looking for a medium capacity handlebar bag with a few specific 
>>> requirements. 
>>>
>>> -rackless/decaleurless
>>> -larger than the little tube barrel style bags
>>> -uses a zipper or multi roll closure 
>>>
>>> The last requirement is on account that the bike gets left in a rural 
>>> shed and any bags with flap openings, like a carradice, become mouse nests 
>>> really fast (also if anyone knows how to keep mice out of nesting in lawn 
>>> mowers, that would be great intel).
>>>
>>> Id have bought the velo orange mini rando bag but its sold out. Open to 
>>> something bigger too, like a roadrunner jammer. Would like to keep it under 
>>> 100$
>>>
>>> I have a honey brooks conquest, green guru triangle bag, soma osprey 
>>> handlebars if a trade is of any interest. Also happy to pay. 
>>>
>>> email is  Dr ewbeck meyer @gmail.com
>>> Drew. Los angeles.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: Mouseproof handlebar bag

2021-04-12 Thread Jon Dukeman 
We went to Home Depot and bought those electric  plug in mice repellents.
The seem to do the trick. They don't bother the dog food. Won't keep the
bears out.
We put two per garage.
Jon

On Mon, Apr 12, 2021, 1:48 PM dougP  wrote:

> Is there anything that repels rodents?  For instance, putting moth balls
> in a bag?  I know there are things they like to chew on, such as electric
> wire insulation.  A friend lost a Brooks leather saddle bag to rodents
> chewing on it.  It only had tools, no food.  Maybe they also like to chew
> on leather.
>
> dougP
>
> On Monday, April 12, 2021 at 8:34:45 AM UTC-7 Drw wrote:
>
>> We have these weird mice in our area that only seem to care about
>> breeding and storing tree nuts. Not once have they gone for any human
>> food...the rats do, but not the mice. I keep several zippered bags in the
>> shed that have received no mice attention, but anything with an opening
>> becomes a nest.
>> On Monday, April 12, 2021 at 7:33:38 AM UTC-7 weste...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> FWIW, the only way to "mouseproof" a handlebar bag of any sort that is
>>> used on a bike shored in a rural shed is to remove it from the bike and
>>> take inside your house, where, presumably, the mice do not reside.
>>>
>>> If you ever carry food or other comestibles in your bag the smells will
>>> attract them even after the food is removed -- even through a zipper or a
>>> roll up flap. They'll then chew holes in your bag to get in if there's not
>>> a convenient opening, and then you're done for.
>>>
>>> :)
>>>
>>> Julian Westerhout
>>> Bloomington, IL
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, April 11, 2021 at 10:42:02 PM UTC-5 Drw wrote:
>>>
 I'm looking for a medium capacity handlebar bag with a few specific
 requirements.

 -rackless/decaleurless
 -larger than the little tube barrel style bags
 -uses a zipper or multi roll closure

 The last requirement is on account that the bike gets left in a rural
 shed and any bags with flap openings, like a carradice, become mouse nests
 really fast (also if anyone knows how to keep mice out of nesting in lawn
 mowers, that would be great intel).

 Id have bought the velo orange mini rando bag but its sold out. Open to
 something bigger too, like a roadrunner jammer. Would like to keep it under
 100$

 I have a honey brooks conquest, green guru triangle bag, soma osprey
 handlebars if a trade is of any interest. Also happy to pay.

 email is  Dr ewbeck meyer @gmail.com
 Drew. Los angeles.

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Mouseproof handlebar bag

2021-04-12 Thread jeffbog...@hotmail.com 
Peppermint essential oil will keep the rodents away.

On Monday, April 12, 2021 at 3:28:42 PM UTC-5 George Schick wrote:

> All rodents in the entire order of rodentia have incisors that continue to 
> grow throughout their lifetimes, hence they like to gnaw on just about 
> anything in order to keep those teeth worn down to a manageable length. 
>  This is why they like to gnaw on electrical wires.  During the years I 
> worked in the telecom industry we used to have repetitive rodent damage to 
> our twisted-pair cables due to mice getting into the pedestals and gnawing 
> on the wires.  Ground hogs (or woodchucks if you prefer) did the same thing 
> to buried cables that got in the way of their burrowing. 
>
> But this is a different problem from the one of chewing through fabric and 
> nesting.  They will do that whenever and wherever possible in order to 
> build a nest from refuse they've dragged into the chewed out space.  As the 
> OP, I used to live where I had a small outdoor storage shed where I stored 
> a lawn mower and other yard maintenance equipment.  Mice used to invade the 
> space in numerous quantities until I finally sealed all possible entry 
> points around the shed and, after closing the door, used a c-clamp to make 
> sure that there was no possible rodent entry there, either.  That finally 
> solved the problem.
>
>
> On Monday, April 12, 2021 at 2:48:05 PM UTC-5 dougP wrote:
>
>> Is there anything that repels rodents?  For instance, putting moth balls 
>> in a bag?  I know there are things they like to chew on, such as electric 
>> wire insulation.  A friend lost a Brooks leather saddle bag to rodents 
>> chewing on it.  It only had tools, no food.  Maybe they also like to chew 
>> on leather.
>>
>> dougP
>>
>> On Monday, April 12, 2021 at 8:34:45 AM UTC-7 Drw wrote:
>>
>>> We have these weird mice in our area that only seem to care about 
>>> breeding and storing tree nuts. Not once have they gone for any human 
>>> food...the rats do, but not the mice. I keep several zippered bags in the 
>>> shed that have received no mice attention, but anything with an opening 
>>> becomes a nest. 
>>> On Monday, April 12, 2021 at 7:33:38 AM UTC-7 weste...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 FWIW, the only way to "mouseproof" a handlebar bag of any sort that is 
 used on a bike shored in a rural shed is to remove it from the bike and 
 take inside your house, where, presumably, the mice do not reside. 

 If you ever carry food or other comestibles in your bag the smells will 
 attract them even after the food is removed -- even through a zipper or a 
 roll up flap. They'll then chew holes in your bag to get in if there's not 
 a convenient opening, and then you're done for. 

 :) 

 Julian Westerhout
 Bloomington, IL 



 On Sunday, April 11, 2021 at 10:42:02 PM UTC-5 Drw wrote:

> I'm looking for a medium capacity handlebar bag with a few specific 
> requirements. 
>
> -rackless/decaleurless
> -larger than the little tube barrel style bags
> -uses a zipper or multi roll closure 
>
> The last requirement is on account that the bike gets left in a rural 
> shed and any bags with flap openings, like a carradice, become mouse 
> nests 
> really fast (also if anyone knows how to keep mice out of nesting in lawn 
> mowers, that would be great intel).
>
> Id have bought the velo orange mini rando bag but its sold out. Open 
> to something bigger too, like a roadrunner jammer. Would like to keep it 
> under 100$
>
> I have a honey brooks conquest, green guru triangle bag, soma osprey 
> handlebars if a trade is of any interest. Also happy to pay. 
>
> email is  Dr ewbeck meyer @gmail.com
> Drew. Los angeles.
>


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[RBW] Re: WTB: Mouseproof handlebar bag

2021-04-12 Thread George Schick 
All rodents in the entire order of rodentia have incisors that continue to 
grow throughout their lifetimes, hence they like to gnaw on just about 
anything in order to keep those teeth worn down to a manageable length. 
 This is why they like to gnaw on electrical wires.  During the years I 
worked in the telecom industry we used to have repetitive rodent damage to 
our twisted-pair cables due to mice getting into the pedestals and gnawing 
on the wires.  Ground hogs (or woodchucks if you prefer) did the same thing 
to buried cables that got in the way of their burrowing. 

But this is a different problem from the one of chewing through fabric and 
nesting.  They will do that whenever and wherever possible in order to 
build a nest from refuse they've dragged into the chewed out space.  As the 
OP, I used to live where I had a small outdoor storage shed where I stored 
a lawn mower and other yard maintenance equipment.  Mice used to invade the 
space in numerous quantities until I finally sealed all possible entry 
points around the shed and, after closing the door, used a c-clamp to make 
sure that there was no possible rodent entry there, either.  That finally 
solved the problem.


On Monday, April 12, 2021 at 2:48:05 PM UTC-5 dougP wrote:

> Is there anything that repels rodents?  For instance, putting moth balls 
> in a bag?  I know there are things they like to chew on, such as electric 
> wire insulation.  A friend lost a Brooks leather saddle bag to rodents 
> chewing on it.  It only had tools, no food.  Maybe they also like to chew 
> on leather.
>
> dougP
>
> On Monday, April 12, 2021 at 8:34:45 AM UTC-7 Drw wrote:
>
>> We have these weird mice in our area that only seem to care about 
>> breeding and storing tree nuts. Not once have they gone for any human 
>> food...the rats do, but not the mice. I keep several zippered bags in the 
>> shed that have received no mice attention, but anything with an opening 
>> becomes a nest. 
>> On Monday, April 12, 2021 at 7:33:38 AM UTC-7 weste...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> FWIW, the only way to "mouseproof" a handlebar bag of any sort that is 
>>> used on a bike shored in a rural shed is to remove it from the bike and 
>>> take inside your house, where, presumably, the mice do not reside. 
>>>
>>> If you ever carry food or other comestibles in your bag the smells will 
>>> attract them even after the food is removed -- even through a zipper or a 
>>> roll up flap. They'll then chew holes in your bag to get in if there's not 
>>> a convenient opening, and then you're done for. 
>>>
>>> :) 
>>>
>>> Julian Westerhout
>>> Bloomington, IL 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, April 11, 2021 at 10:42:02 PM UTC-5 Drw wrote:
>>>
 I'm looking for a medium capacity handlebar bag with a few specific 
 requirements. 

 -rackless/decaleurless
 -larger than the little tube barrel style bags
 -uses a zipper or multi roll closure 

 The last requirement is on account that the bike gets left in a rural 
 shed and any bags with flap openings, like a carradice, become mouse nests 
 really fast (also if anyone knows how to keep mice out of nesting in lawn 
 mowers, that would be great intel).

 Id have bought the velo orange mini rando bag but its sold out. Open to 
 something bigger too, like a roadrunner jammer. Would like to keep it 
 under 
 100$

 I have a honey brooks conquest, green guru triangle bag, soma osprey 
 handlebars if a trade is of any interest. Also happy to pay. 

 email is  Dr ewbeck meyer @gmail.com
 Drew. Los angeles.

>>>

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Mouseproof handlebar bag

2021-04-12 Thread Peter Adler 
Rodents chew on food-free bags (cloth, leather, PVC - whatever) for exactly 
the same reason they chew on electrical wire: To get the salt.

salt is a vital nutrient that all animals need for survival. For most 
non-humans who can't mine it or set up big seaside condensation ponds, it's 
hard to get. Historically, it was very valuable; that's why the word 
"salary" is allegedly derived from the Latin *salarium* - the money the 
Romans paid their soldiers so they could buy salt.

Livestock owners put out salt licks for cattle and horses; rangers 
sometimes do the same thing for deer. If you, a primate bicycle bag owner, 
have been handling your bicycle bags, there are traces of salt on them from 
your dried sweat. If you're a bag-chewing rodent, you've got to get your 
vital minerals wherever you can find them.

In the case of electrical wire, the charge of the wire crystallizes salt 
out of the water vapor in the air, which contains whatever trace minerals 
are in the local water supply. Uninsulated wire crystallizes better than 
insulated wire, but I assume that the shock of chewing on bare copper wire 
discourages rat/mouse/squirrel nibbling with pain and/or electrocution.

Peter Adler
who has lost multiple Ortlieb panniers in both Cordura and PVC to rats/mice 
in
Berkeley, CA/USA

On Monday, April 12, 2021 at 12:48:05 PM UTC-7 dougP wrote:

> Is there anything that repels rodents?  For instance, putting moth balls 
> in a bag?  I know there are things they like to chew on, such as electric 
> wire insulation.  A friend lost a Brooks leather saddle bag to rodents 
> chewing on it.  It only had tools, no food.  Maybe they also like to chew 
> on leather.
>

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Mouseproof handlebar bag

2021-04-12 Thread dougP 
Is there anything that repels rodents?  For instance, putting moth balls in 
a bag?  I know there are things they like to chew on, such as electric wire 
insulation.  A friend lost a Brooks leather saddle bag to rodents chewing 
on it.  It only had tools, no food.  Maybe they also like to chew on 
leather.

dougP

On Monday, April 12, 2021 at 8:34:45 AM UTC-7 Drw wrote:

> We have these weird mice in our area that only seem to care about breeding 
> and storing tree nuts. Not once have they gone for any human food...the 
> rats do, but not the mice. I keep several zippered bags in the shed that 
> have received no mice attention, but anything with an opening becomes a 
> nest. 
> On Monday, April 12, 2021 at 7:33:38 AM UTC-7 weste...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> FWIW, the only way to "mouseproof" a handlebar bag of any sort that is 
>> used on a bike shored in a rural shed is to remove it from the bike and 
>> take inside your house, where, presumably, the mice do not reside. 
>>
>> If you ever carry food or other comestibles in your bag the smells will 
>> attract them even after the food is removed -- even through a zipper or a 
>> roll up flap. They'll then chew holes in your bag to get in if there's not 
>> a convenient opening, and then you're done for. 
>>
>> :) 
>>
>> Julian Westerhout
>> Bloomington, IL 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, April 11, 2021 at 10:42:02 PM UTC-5 Drw wrote:
>>
>>> I'm looking for a medium capacity handlebar bag with a few specific 
>>> requirements. 
>>>
>>> -rackless/decaleurless
>>> -larger than the little tube barrel style bags
>>> -uses a zipper or multi roll closure 
>>>
>>> The last requirement is on account that the bike gets left in a rural 
>>> shed and any bags with flap openings, like a carradice, become mouse nests 
>>> really fast (also if anyone knows how to keep mice out of nesting in lawn 
>>> mowers, that would be great intel).
>>>
>>> Id have bought the velo orange mini rando bag but its sold out. Open to 
>>> something bigger too, like a roadrunner jammer. Would like to keep it under 
>>> 100$
>>>
>>> I have a honey brooks conquest, green guru triangle bag, soma osprey 
>>> handlebars if a trade is of any interest. Also happy to pay. 
>>>
>>> email is  Dr ewbeck meyer @gmail.com
>>> Drew. Los angeles.
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Mouseproof handlebar bag

2021-04-12 Thread Drw 
We have these weird mice in our area that only seem to care about breeding 
and storing tree nuts. Not once have they gone for any human food...the 
rats do, but not the mice. I keep several zippered bags in the shed that 
have received no mice attention, but anything with an opening becomes a 
nest. 
On Monday, April 12, 2021 at 7:33:38 AM UTC-7 weste...@gmail.com wrote:

> FWIW, the only way to "mouseproof" a handlebar bag of any sort that is 
> used on a bike shored in a rural shed is to remove it from the bike and 
> take inside your house, where, presumably, the mice do not reside. 
>
> If you ever carry food or other comestibles in your bag the smells will 
> attract them even after the food is removed -- even through a zipper or a 
> roll up flap. They'll then chew holes in your bag to get in if there's not 
> a convenient opening, and then you're done for. 
>
> :) 
>
> Julian Westerhout
> Bloomington, IL 
>
>
>
> On Sunday, April 11, 2021 at 10:42:02 PM UTC-5 Drw wrote:
>
>> I'm looking for a medium capacity handlebar bag with a few specific 
>> requirements. 
>>
>> -rackless/decaleurless
>> -larger than the little tube barrel style bags
>> -uses a zipper or multi roll closure 
>>
>> The last requirement is on account that the bike gets left in a rural 
>> shed and any bags with flap openings, like a carradice, become mouse nests 
>> really fast (also if anyone knows how to keep mice out of nesting in lawn 
>> mowers, that would be great intel).
>>
>> Id have bought the velo orange mini rando bag but its sold out. Open to 
>> something bigger too, like a roadrunner jammer. Would like to keep it under 
>> 100$
>>
>> I have a honey brooks conquest, green guru triangle bag, soma osprey 
>> handlebars if a trade is of any interest. Also happy to pay. 
>>
>> email is  Dr ewbeck meyer @gmail.com
>> Drew. Los angeles.
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Mouseproof handlebar bag

2021-04-12 Thread Julian Westerhout 
FWIW, the only way to "mouseproof" a handlebar bag of any sort that is used 
on a bike shored in a rural shed is to remove it from the bike and take 
inside your house, where, presumably, the mice do not reside. 

If you ever carry food or other comestibles in your bag the smells will 
attract them even after the food is removed -- even through a zipper or a 
roll up flap. They'll then chew holes in your bag to get in if there's not 
a convenient opening, and then you're done for. 

:) 

Julian Westerhout
Bloomington, IL 



On Sunday, April 11, 2021 at 10:42:02 PM UTC-5 Drw wrote:

> I'm looking for a medium capacity handlebar bag with a few specific 
> requirements. 
>
> -rackless/decaleurless
> -larger than the little tube barrel style bags
> -uses a zipper or multi roll closure 
>
> The last requirement is on account that the bike gets left in a rural shed 
> and any bags with flap openings, like a carradice, become mouse nests 
> really fast (also if anyone knows how to keep mice out of nesting in lawn 
> mowers, that would be great intel).
>
> Id have bought the velo orange mini rando bag but its sold out. Open to 
> something bigger too, like a roadrunner jammer. Would like to keep it under 
> 100$
>
> I have a honey brooks conquest, green guru triangle bag, soma osprey 
> handlebars if a trade is of any interest. Also happy to pay. 
>
> email is  Dr ewbeck meyer @gmail.com
> Drew. Los angeles.
>

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