[RBW] Re: WTB: midge, junebug, woodchipper, etc
Seth makes a good point, in that many Riv customers and aspiring Riv customers prefer the classic quill aesthetic, and maybe Grant has decided that filling this niche is an important part of the RBW business model. But threadless steerers have been mainstream long enough now, that even retro-grouches can appreciate that it is a proven design. I'm not going to get into my long list of reasons to favor 9/8 threadless, but in the context of this discussion, one key point has surfaced: there are a lot of interesting handlebars that can't be used with available quill stems. If a bar has a 31.8 clamp area, and many newer bars are only available in 31.8, there is no quill stem that will accommodate it. If the bar is not a single continuous bend - think h-bar - then a removable face plate is needed, again, not generally available in a quill stem. If versatility is a hallmark of the RBW brand, then the quill stem runs counter to that ideal, given the current huge variety of threadless stems and handlebars that cannot be used on Rivendell frames without some kind of kludgy adapter. Anyway, I just went for my first ride of any distance with Woodchipper bars on my Post-Riv Curt Goodrich A/R. I ran the Shimano bar-end shifters up top on thumbie mounts (one Paul, one IRD, in the interest of science). I like the bar quite a bit, but may screw around with the angle a little (very little). And, since I was changing things around, I replaced the Paul Cantis with Tektro v-brakes. I once was of the opinion that the Paul cantis had great stopping power, and they do, for cantis, but a couple times this evening, I was pleasantly surprised by the massive increase in braking power from the v-brakes. This swap was inspired by a LHT I just set up for my wife a couple months ago. With cantis, she lacked the hand strength to bring the bike to a quick stop. Switching to cheapie Tektro v-brakes (and appropriate levers), her modest hand strength was suddenly more than adequate for effective stopping. The improvement was so drastic, that I decided to try it on one of my own bikes. I don't know why I waited so long, but I'm now of the opinion that my cantilever days are behind me. Even the cheap v-brakes are comparatively amazing. Just one more bike with cantis in my personal fleet, and that will be changing sooner than later. On Aug 28, 8:47 pm, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 9:46 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com wrote: Time for Riv to go threadless! Let's not have that happen. I really don't care for threadless very much. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: midge, junebug, woodchipper, etc
Yes, I agree with Jim. If versatillity is a hallmark of the Riv brand, then threadless is quite an appropriate design consideration, or at least an option. From: Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Sun, August 29, 2010 12:41:48 AM Subject: [RBW] Re: WTB: midge, junebug, woodchipper, etc Seth makes a good point, in that many Riv customers and aspiring Riv customers prefer the classic quill aesthetic, and maybe Grant has decided that filling this niche is an important part of the RBW business model. But threadless steerers have been mainstream long enough now, that even retro-grouches can appreciate that it is a proven design. I'm not going to get into my long list of reasons to favor 9/8 threadless, but in the context of this discussion, one key point has surfaced: there are a lot of interesting handlebars that can't be used with available quill stems. If a bar has a 31.8 clamp area, and many newer bars are only available in 31.8, there is no quill stem that will accommodate it. If the bar is not a single continuous bend - think h-bar - then a removable face plate is needed, again, not generally available in a quill stem. If versatility is a hallmark of the RBW brand, then the quill stem runs counter to that ideal, given the current huge variety of threadless stems and handlebars that cannot be used on Rivendell frames without some kind of kludgy adapter. Anyway, I just went for my first ride of any distance with Woodchipper bars on my Post-Riv Curt Goodrich A/R. I ran the Shimano bar-end shifters up top on thumbie mounts (one Paul, one IRD, in the interest of science). I like the bar quite a bit, but may screw around with the angle a little (very little). And, since I was changing things around, I replaced the Paul Cantis with Tektro v-brakes. I once was of the opinion that the Paul cantis had great stopping power, and they do, for cantis, but a couple times this evening, I was pleasantly surprised by the massive increase in braking power from the v-brakes. This swap was inspired by a LHT I just set up for my wife a couple months ago. With cantis, she lacked the hand strength to bring the bike to a quick stop. Switching to cheapie Tektro v-brakes (and appropriate levers), her modest hand strength was suddenly more than adequate for effective stopping. The improvement was so drastic, that I decided to try it on one of my own bikes. I don't know why I waited so long, but I'm now of the opinion that my cantilever days are behind me. Even the cheap v-brakes are comparatively amazing. Just one more bike with cantis in my personal fleet, and that will be changing sooner than later. On Aug 28, 8:47 pm, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 9:46 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com wrote: Time for Riv to go threadless! Let's not have that happen. I really don't care for threadless very much. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: midge, junebug, woodchipper, etc
On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 3:41 AM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com wrote: Seth makes a good point, in that many Riv customers and aspiring Riv customers prefer the classic quill aesthetic, and maybe Grant has decided that filling this niche is an important part of the RBW business model. But threadless steerers have been mainstream long enough now, that even retro-grouches can appreciate that it is a proven design. I'm not going to get into my long list of reasons to favor 9/8 threadless, but in the context of this discussion, one key point has surfaced: there are a lot of interesting handlebars that can't be used with available quill stems. If a bar has a 31.8 clamp area, and many newer bars are only available in 31.8, there is no quill stem that will accommodate it. If the bar is not a single continuous bend - think h-bar - then a removable face plate is needed, again, not generally available in a quill stem. If versatility is a hallmark of the RBW brand, then the quill stem runs counter to that ideal, given the current huge variety of threadless stems and handlebars that cannot be used on Rivendell frames without some kind of kludgy adapter. If you're making a point about versatility then threadless limits moving the height of the bars around trivially. If you want to have more versatility then you have a threaded-threadless adapter made that has the same rise as nitto technomic. Then you can move the bars up and down as much or as little as you'd like AND you can put whatever stem you want on it. It also has the virtue of no matter what you do to your handlebars, you don't have to reset your headset in the process. I've used the threaded-threadless adapters and they do not feel even slightly kludgy to me. No more so than 3 piece cranks, at the very least, b/c you have a post and then a separate piece that fits around that post and is bolted tight. I've never seen a bike where I set the height of the bars once and I didn't move it around to get it right - if only by a cm or so. Doing that on threadless is a giant pain in the ass, doing it on threaded is trivial. I don't think of myself as a retrogrouch at all and I don't think I've ever considered threadless to be 'unproven' or anything else like that. I do, however, think that threadless is unnecessarily limiting and there is no way to work around that limitation. I think the limitations of threaded can be worked around by some fairly simple part additions. That, to me, speaks to the elegance of the design. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: midge, junebug, woodchipper, etc
I like threadless. They're easy to set up (the whole point behind them). Especially the open faced stems. They are kinda' useless with a short/cut steerer though. The big problem is the ever-changing size standard. Soon there will be a new beefy/stronger/stiffer/lighter size that Trek/Specialized/Giant comes out with for the steerer (1-1/2, 2, 2-1/2) and then all the 1-1/8 stems will go the way of the 1 standard. Try getting 1 threadless stem BTW. It's already happening with that stupid 31.8mm clamp size. The neat new bars are that size as shown by the new bars Mike likes. Staying with 1 quills, you know that the size is already outdated by two decades. On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 6:34 AM, Ray Shine r.sh...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Yes, I agree with Jim. If versatillity is a hallmark of the Riv brand, then threadless is quite an appropriate design consideration, or at least an option. -- *From:* Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com *To:* RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com *Sent:* Sun, August 29, 2010 12:41:48 AM *Subject:* [RBW] Re: WTB: midge, junebug, woodchipper, etc Seth makes a good point, in that many Riv customers and aspiring Riv customers prefer the classic quill aesthetic, and maybe Grant has decided that filling this niche is an important part of the RBW business model. But threadless steerers have been mainstream long enough now, that even retro-grouches can appreciate that it is a proven design. I'm not going to get into my long list of reasons to favor 9/8 threadless, but in the context of this discussion, one key point has surfaced: there are a lot of interesting handlebars that can't be used with available quill stems. If a bar has a 31.8 clamp area, and many newer bars are only available in 31.8, there is no quill stem that will accommodate it. If the bar is not a single continuous bend - think h-bar - then a removable face plate is needed, again, not generally available in a quill stem. If versatility is a hallmark of the RBW brand, then the quill stem runs counter to that ideal, given the current huge variety of threadless stems and handlebars that cannot be used on Rivendell frames without some kind of kludgy adapter. Anyway, I just went for my first ride of any distance with Woodchipper bars on my Post-Riv Curt Goodrich A/R. I ran the Shimano bar-end shifters up top on thumbie mounts (one Paul, one IRD, in the interest of science). I like the bar quite a bit, but may screw around with the angle a little (very little). And, since I was changing things around, I replaced the Paul Cantis with Tektro v-brakes. I once was of the opinion that the Paul cantis had great stopping power, and they do, for cantis, but a couple times this evening, I was pleasantly surprised by the massive increase in braking power from the v-brakes. This swap was inspired by a LHT I just set up for my wife a couple months ago. With cantis, she lacked the hand strength to bring the bike to a quick stop. Switching to cheapie Tektro v-brakes (and appropriate levers), her modest hand strength was suddenly more than adequate for effective stopping. The improvement was so drastic, that I decided to try it on one of my own bikes. I don't know why I waited so long, but I'm now of the opinion that my cantilever days are behind me. Even the cheap v-brakes are comparatively amazing. Just one more bike with cantis in my personal fleet, and that will be changing sooner than later. On Aug 28, 8:47 pm, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 9:46 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com wrote: Time for Riv to go threadless! Let's not have that happen. I really don't care for threadless very much. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+ unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: WTB: midge, junebug, woodchipper, etc
Seth: I think you're making far too much of the difficulty of adjusting bar height on threadless steerers. I have seen this rumor perpetuated again and again, but it simply isn't true, in my experience. On all my threadless bikes, I have enough steerer that I can move the bars a cm or even an inch or so either way in a matter of a minute, simply by loosening a couple bolts and moving a spacer from below to above the stem, or vice versa. Resetting the headset is trivial with any sealed bearing headset (and most threadless headsets are sealed bearing, unlike most currently available threaded units...). Just snug down the top cap, then tighten the stem bolts, and that's it. It's all done with a 5mm allen, no headset spanners required. There is no giant pain in the ass involved, unless, of course, your steerer is far shorter than it should be. In that worst- case scenario, there are threadless steerer extenders that are similar in function to the quill adapters you've described. As a matter of fact, one of the many reasons driving the widespread move to threadless is that it makes it MUCH easier for bike shop employees to fit a new bike to a buyer by swapping stems without monkeying around with the tape, levers, shifters, etc. On the other hand, there are obviously people who disagree with me, so I suppose it's nice that Riv is still providing the threaded option. Personally, if I'm shopping for a bike/frame, a threaded steerer system is a drawback. It's not enough to make me outright reject an option that otherwise has good features/design/aesthetics, but all else being equal... On Aug 29, 9:18 am, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 3:41 AM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com wrote: Seth makes a good point, in that many Riv customers and aspiring Riv customers prefer the classic quill aesthetic, and maybe Grant has decided that filling this niche is an important part of the RBW business model. But threadless steerers have been mainstream long enough now, that even retro-grouches can appreciate that it is a proven design. I'm not going to get into my long list of reasons to favor 9/8 threadless, but in the context of this discussion, one key point has surfaced: there are a lot of interesting handlebars that can't be used with available quill stems. If a bar has a 31.8 clamp area, and many newer bars are only available in 31.8, there is no quill stem that will accommodate it. If the bar is not a single continuous bend - think h-bar - then a removable face plate is needed, again, not generally available in a quill stem. If versatility is a hallmark of the RBW brand, then the quill stem runs counter to that ideal, given the current huge variety of threadless stems and handlebars that cannot be used on Rivendell frames without some kind of kludgy adapter. If you're making a point about versatility then threadless limits moving the height of the bars around trivially. If you want to have more versatility then you have a threaded-threadless adapter made that has the same rise as nitto technomic. Then you can move the bars up and down as much or as little as you'd like AND you can put whatever stem you want on it. It also has the virtue of no matter what you do to your handlebars, you don't have to reset your headset in the process. I've used the threaded-threadless adapters and they do not feel even slightly kludgy to me. No more so than 3 piece cranks, at the very least, b/c you have a post and then a separate piece that fits around that post and is bolted tight. I've never seen a bike where I set the height of the bars once and I didn't move it around to get it right - if only by a cm or so. Doing that on threadless is a giant pain in the ass, doing it on threaded is trivial. I don't think of myself as a retrogrouch at all and I don't think I've ever considered threadless to be 'unproven' or anything else like that. I do, however, think that threadless is unnecessarily limiting and there is no way to work around that limitation. I think the limitations of threaded can be worked around by some fairly simple part additions. That, to me, speaks to the elegance of the design. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: midge, junebug, woodchipper, etc
On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 11:55 AM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com wrote: Seth: I think you're making far too much of the difficulty of adjusting bar height on threadless steerers. I have seen this rumor perpetuated again and again, but it simply isn't true, in my experience. On all my threadless bikes, I have enough steerer that I can move the bars a cm or even an inch or so either way in a matter of a minute, simply by loosening a couple bolts and moving a spacer from below to above the stem, or vice versa. Resetting the headset is trivial with any sealed bearing headset (and most threadless headsets are sealed bearing, unlike most currently available threaded units...). Just snug down the top cap, then tighten the stem bolts, and that's it. It's all done with a 5mm allen, no headset spanners required. There is no giant pain in the ass involved, unless, of course, your steerer is far shorter than it should be. In that worst- case scenario, there are threadless steerer extenders that are similar in function to the quill adapters you've described. As a matter of fact, one of the many reasons driving the widespread move to threadless is that it makes it MUCH easier for bike shop employees to fit a new bike to a buyer by swapping stems without monkeying around with the tape, levers, shifters, etc. Jim, I have a burley tandem with a threadless headset/stem and having to move it around to get the bars up was a giant pain in the ass. I had a bianchi castro valley, same thing, In general, I've found that since getting a rivendell that headset adjustment and maintenance, including raising and lowering the bars, give me much less heartburn. I'm not pulling the idea of not like threadless from a place of zero experience with them. I'm coming from my own personal experience and watching what happens with normal use of a bike for me. I have no doubt that you have vastly more experience from the perspective of a bike shop owner and mechanic. Furthermore, I have no doubt that threadless is easier for a bike shop to deal with. HOWEVER, I do not buy a bike for the bike mechanic at the bike shop. I do not buy anything b/c it is easier for the mechanics to work on it. I buy it b/c it is easier for ME to use. Remember, the mechanics can love whatever technology they will love, but if it just continues to annoy customers then that's not good at all. I speak to that from well over a decade in computing - a field where ignoring what is actually USEFUL to the customer in exchange for what is easier for the developer has been promoted to HIGH ART. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: midge, junebug, woodchipper, etc
On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 1:13 PM, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: I have a burley tandem with a threadless headset/stem and having to move it around to get the bars up was a giant pain in the ass. I had a bianchi castro valley, same thing, In general, I've found that since getting a rivendell that headset adjustment and maintenance, including raising and lowering the bars, give me much less heartburn. I'm not pulling the idea of not like threadless from a place of zero experience with them. I'm coming from my own personal experience and watching what happens with normal use of a bike for me. I have no doubt that you have vastly more experience from the perspective of a bike shop owner and mechanic. Furthermore, I have no doubt that threadless is easier for a bike shop to deal with. HOWEVER, I do not buy a bike for the bike mechanic at the bike shop. I do not buy anything b/c it is easier for the mechanics to work on it. I buy it b/c it is easier for ME to use. Remember, the mechanics can love whatever technology they will love, but if it just continues to annoy customers then that's not good at all. I speak to that from well over a decade in computing - a field where ignoring what is actually USEFUL to the customer in exchange for what is easier for the developer has been promoted to HIGH ART. The software analogy is flawed, because the vast majority of software users don't maintain and modify their own apps, but they certainly can work on their own bikes. Threadless systems eliminate one required specialized tool, and are far easier for a lay person to adjust correctly than most threaded headsets. I resisted threadless 9/8 steerers for a long time, but i've come around as a fan. If you're a new rider, or riding a new style of bike for you, the steerer should be left uncut until the fit is dialed in. I don't think that most cyclists are going to dramatically change their bar height over their lifetime with a bike, and tweaking things by a cm either way once the steerer is cut is really not a big deal. Swapping out stems for a change in reach is far easier on 9/8, assuming you're using open-faced stems. The only thing for me that's superior about 1 threaded is aesthetics; I like the look of skinnier frame tubes, and that could be reason enough to use that size on certain types of bikes. The downsides though, are many: more limited bar choices, a real hassle to change bars or stem, and most importantly a significantly more flexible front-end. Steel stems greatly help with this, but there are few options in steel quill stems nowadays (being unable to afford a Bruce Gorden chicken neck stem). The stem on my 9/8 Crosscheck is a 1/2-lugged Nitto, and the most beautiful stem i own, so it's certainly possible to match styles. My next frame (whatever it is) will definitely be 9/8 threadless, and once the fit is dialed in, it'll get a really nice stem too. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: midge, junebug, woodchipper, etc
On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 3:17 PM, Bill Connell bconn...@gmail.com wrote: The software analogy is flawed, because the vast majority of software users don't maintain and modify their own apps, but they certainly can work on their own bikes. The analogy is apt here. A lot of folks on this list do work on their own bikes. And the software I work on is open source so it is much more apparent like bikes, to work on. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: midge, junebug, woodchipper, etc
On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 2:13 PM, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: Jim, I have a burley tandem with a threadless headset/stem and having to move it around to get the bars up was a giant pain in the ass. I had a bianchi castro valley, same thing, In general, I've found that since getting a rivendell that headset adjustment and maintenance, including raising and lowering the bars, give me much less heartburn. I'm not pulling the idea of not like threadless from a place of zero experience with them. I'm coming from my own personal experience and watching what happens with normal use of a bike for me. Oh and let me speak from the other direction, too. I'd be fine with threadless headsets if I could put a quill stem in them and have the whole kit look elegant and finished. I've seen what Sheldon Brown did, by putting a clamp around the steerer tube then shimming a quill stem into it and that while imaginative did not look finished or complete. A headset could be designed such that the steerer is threadless and 9/8' and tightened/finished with a allen-wrench tightened top cap/lock nut. And STILL be possible to fit a quill stem into the whole kit for adjustment AND have it look elegant in the process.; That way mechanics get their wish of being able to work on threadless headsets/steerers and users like me can still adjust the bars up and down w/o having to mess with the whole headset in the process. I'll have to think on it a bit but it sure seems like you would only really need a 'top cap/shim piece that covers the top 40mm of steerer and then either an attached or detached shim to make it all fit together nicely with standard 1 quill stems. So - take what sheldon did, and make it a finished process. I wonder if/how much not having a star nut involved weakens or compromises the system -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: midge, junebug, woodchipper, etc
On Aug 29, 2010, at 2:23 PM, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 3:17 PM, Bill Connell bconn...@gmail.com wrote: The software analogy is flawed, because the vast majority of software users don't maintain and modify their own apps, but they certainly can work on their own bikes. The analogy is apt here. A lot of folks on this list do work on their own bikes. And the software I work on is open source so it is much more apparent like bikes, to work on. Apt for you, sure, but a lot more people work on their bikes than on software. The analogy is works if you compare adjusting threaded headsets to coding in Java, and threadless to writing HTML (no compiler needed). Bill -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: WTB: midge, junebug, woodchipper, etc
Well, one could use the Woodchipper bars in 25.4 with a DritDrop stem. The Luxy bars look like the Woodchipper with a tighter bend. Possibly a good idea, although I do find myself on the lower part of the Woodchipper on some climbs on the Salsa Fargo. The whole does seem to work well together. Seems to me the difference is the Luxy is planned for riding the tops, and the Woodchippers are all about riding in the drops most of the time. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Aug 28, 1:04 am, Philip Williamson philip.william...@gmail.com wrote: Kludge! I used the same word to describe my Delta extender and short stem combo for my Midge bars. Without good stem choices, any dirt drop bar setup is going to be kludgey.http://www.biketinker.com/2010/projects/stems-for-dirt-drop-bars/ I have long thought that Rivendell could offer a Nitto stem that approximated the old Salsa steel stems with some rise. And a dirt drop bar.http://www.flickr.com/photos/philipwilliamson/3663090328/ That combination on the Quickbeam ties the whole room together. Of the Midge vs WTB classic, the WTB wins (for me) hands down. Philip Williamsonwww.biketinker.com On Aug 27, 10:28 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Kludgy. On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 10:23 PM, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.comwrote: my understanding is 31.8 only. Which does not leave any quill stem options. we will have to use one of those adapters with a threadless stem. ~Mike~ On Aug 27, 9:14 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Are they going to be 25.4 or 31.8 only? I think a bar like that is missing from Rivendell's offerings. On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 9:03 PM, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote: yea baby! and yes it works with bar end shifters. and it's Silver! here is a linky to a proto of the bar http://singularcycles.posterous.com/ragley-luxy-bar-latest it would look great on the Hunqua too. ~Mike~ On Aug 27, 6:43 pm, velomann velom...@gmail.com wrote: A midge-like bar in silver? Sweet! Now if it accepts bar-ends (and why wouldn't it?) I can stop my futile searching for a vintage dirt drop bar. On Aug 26, 7:32 am, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote: I'm waiting for that new one from Ragley called the Luxy. It was designed by the Midge designer after getting all the input on the midge/junebug/wtb/woodchipper and it comes in silver. goin' on the new dropbar 29er. ~Mike~ On Aug 26, 6:49 am, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: FWIW, Origin 8 has one they call the Gary Bar. It's real cheap through your LBS. Only negative is that it does not accept bar ends without some slight modification http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/3143007318/ . On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 8:27 AM, jandrews_nyc jasonaschwa...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, Does anyone have any of these trail-type flared-out drop bars they are tired of looking at? Jason -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2Bunsubscrib e...@googlegroups.com rbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscrib...@googlegroups.com rbw-owners-bunch%2Bunsubscrib �...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com . To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2Bunsubscrib e...@googlegroups.com rbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscrib...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2Bunsubscrib e...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David
Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: midge, junebug, woodchipper, etc
That's the problem w/ wide dirt drops (lower case). They seem to be made to only be used in the drops. At least the Midge/Garys are like that, not sure about the WCs. And Philip, that Winter Cycles stem is beautifully mdade. Definitely not a kludge IMHO. On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 5:11 AM, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote: Well, one could use the Woodchipper bars in 25.4 with a DritDrop stem. The Luxy bars look like the Woodchipper with a tighter bend. Possibly a good idea, although I do find myself on the lower part of the Woodchipper on some climbs on the Salsa Fargo. The whole does seem to work well together. Seems to me the difference is the Luxy is planned for riding the tops, and the Woodchippers are all about riding in the drops most of the time. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Aug 28, 1:04 am, Philip Williamson philip.william...@gmail.com wrote: Kludge! I used the same word to describe my Delta extender and short stem combo for my Midge bars. Without good stem choices, any dirt drop bar setup is going to be kludgey. http://www.biketinker.com/2010/projects/stems-for-dirt-drop-bars/ I have long thought that Rivendell could offer a Nitto stem that approximated the old Salsa steel stems with some rise. And a dirt drop bar.http://www.flickr.com/photos/philipwilliamson/3663090328/ That combination on the Quickbeam ties the whole room together. Of the Midge vs WTB classic, the WTB wins (for me) hands down. Philip Williamsonwww.biketinker.com On Aug 27, 10:28 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Kludgy. On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 10:23 PM, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote: my understanding is 31.8 only. Which does not leave any quill stem options. we will have to use one of those adapters with a threadless stem. ~Mike~ On Aug 27, 9:14 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Are they going to be 25.4 or 31.8 only? I think a bar like that is missing from Rivendell's offerings. On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 9:03 PM, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote: yea baby! and yes it works with bar end shifters. and it's Silver! here is a linky to a proto of the bar http://singularcycles.posterous.com/ragley-luxy-bar-latest it would look great on the Hunqua too. ~Mike~ On Aug 27, 6:43 pm, velomann velom...@gmail.com wrote: A midge-like bar in silver? Sweet! Now if it accepts bar-ends (and why wouldn't it?) I can stop my futile searching for a vintage dirt drop bar. On Aug 26, 7:32 am, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote: I'm waiting for that new one from Ragley called the Luxy. It was designed by the Midge designer after getting all the input on the midge/junebug/wtb/woodchipper and it comes in silver. goin' on the new dropbar 29er. ~Mike~ On Aug 26, 6:49 am, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: FWIW, Origin 8 has one they call the Gary Bar. It's real cheap through your LBS. Only negative is that it does not accept bar ends without some slight modification http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/3143007318/ . On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 8:27 AM, jandrews_nyc jasonaschwa...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, Does anyone have any of these trail-type flared-out drop bars they are tired of looking at? Jason -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2Bunsubscrib e...@googlegroups.com rbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscrib...@googlegroups.com rbw-owners-bunch%2Bunsubscrib �...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com . To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2Bunsubscrib e...@googlegroups.com rbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscrib...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. --
Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: midge, junebug, woodchipper, etc
The Salsa Bell Lap can be ridden in all positions -- I like it for that reason and my only gripe is the anatomic hooks. On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 8:30 AM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: That's the problem w/ wide dirt drops (lower case). They seem to be made to only be used in the drops. At least the Midge/Garys are like that, not sure about the WCs. And Philip, that Winter Cycles stem is beautifully mdade. Definitely not a kludge IMHO. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: WTB: midge, junebug, woodchipper, etc
the Luxy is made to ride in the drops from what I've read. I have never been a fan of Salsa bars... I hate the double grooves and that anatomic bend is not comfortable. ~Mike~ On Aug 28, 7:38 am, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: The Salsa Bell Lap can be ridden in all positions -- I like it for that reason and my only gripe is the anatomic hooks. On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 8:30 AM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: That's the problem w/ wide dirt drops (lower case). They seem to be made to only be used in the drops. At least the Midge/Garys are like that, not sure about the WCs. And Philip, that Winter Cycles stem is beautifully mdade. Definitely not a kludge IMHO.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: WTB: midge, junebug, woodchipper, etc
The Woodchipper is designed to be ridden in the drops. With the hooks about even with saddle height. At least that's my preference. These bars do not have any grooves. Probably intentional with the fairly funky bends. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Aug 28, 9:56 am, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote: the Luxy is made to ride in the drops from what I've read. I have never been a fan of Salsa bars... I hate the double grooves and that anatomic bend is not comfortable. ~Mike~ On Aug 28, 7:38 am, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: The Salsa Bell Lap can be ridden in all positions -- I like it for that reason and my only gripe is the anatomic hooks. On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 8:30 AM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: That's the problem w/ wide dirt drops (lower case). They seem to be made to only be used in the drops. At least the Midge/Garys are like that, not sure about the WCs. And Philip, that Winter Cycles stem is beautifully mdade. Definitely not a kludge IMHO.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: WTB: midge, junebug, woodchipper, etc
Time for Riv to go threadless! On Aug 28, 12:23 am, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote: my understanding is 31.8 only. Which does not leave any quill stem options. we will have to use one of those adapters with a threadless stem. ~Mike~ On Aug 27, 9:14 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Are they going to be 25.4 or 31.8 only? I think a bar like that is missing from Rivendell's offerings. On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 9:03 PM, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.comwrote: yea baby! and yes it works with bar end shifters. and it's Silver! here is a linky to a proto of the bar http://singularcycles.posterous.com/ragley-luxy-bar-latest it would look great on the Hunqua too. ~Mike~ On Aug 27, 6:43 pm, velomann velom...@gmail.com wrote: A midge-like bar in silver? Sweet! Now if it accepts bar-ends (and why wouldn't it?) I can stop my futile searching for a vintage dirt drop bar. On Aug 26, 7:32 am, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote: I'm waiting for that new one from Ragley called the Luxy. It was designed by the Midge designer after getting all the input on the midge/junebug/wtb/woodchipper and it comes in silver. goin' on the new dropbar 29er. ~Mike~ On Aug 26, 6:49 am, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: FWIW, Origin 8 has one they call the Gary Bar. It's real cheap through your LBS. Only negative is that it does not accept bar ends without some slight modification http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/3143007318/ . On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 8:27 AM, jandrews_nyc jasonaschwa...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, Does anyone have any of these trail-type flared-out drop bars they are tired of looking at? Jason -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2Bunsubscrib �...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2Bunsubscrib �...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2Bunsubscrib �...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: midge, junebug, woodchipper, etc
On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 9:46 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com wrote: Time for Riv to go threadless! Let's not have that happen. I really don't care for threadless very much. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: midge, junebug, woodchipper, etc
Why not? On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 7:47 PM, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 9:46 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com wrote: Time for Riv to go threadless! Let's not have that happen. I really don't care for threadless very much. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: WTB: midge, junebug, woodchipper, etc
A midge-like bar in silver? Sweet! Now if it accepts bar-ends (and why wouldn't it?) I can stop my futile searching for a vintage dirt drop bar. On Aug 26, 7:32 am, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote: I'm waiting for that new one from Ragley called the Luxy. It was designed by the Midge designer after getting all the input on the midge/junebug/wtb/woodchipper and it comes in silver. goin' on the new dropbar 29er. ~Mike~ On Aug 26, 6:49 am, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: FWIW, Origin 8 has one they call the Gary Bar. It's real cheap through your LBS. Only negative is that it does not accept bar ends without some slight modification http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/3143007318/. On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 8:27 AM, jandrews_nyc jasonaschwa...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, Does anyone have any of these trail-type flared-out drop bars they are tired of looking at? Jason -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2Bunsubscrib �...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: WTB: midge, junebug, woodchipper, etc
yea baby! and yes it works with bar end shifters. and it's Silver! here is a linky to a proto of the bar http://singularcycles.posterous.com/ragley-luxy-bar-latest it would look great on the Hunqua too. ~Mike~ On Aug 27, 6:43 pm, velomann velom...@gmail.com wrote: A midge-like bar in silver? Sweet! Now if it accepts bar-ends (and why wouldn't it?) I can stop my futile searching for a vintage dirt drop bar. On Aug 26, 7:32 am, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote: I'm waiting for that new one from Ragley called the Luxy. It was designed by the Midge designer after getting all the input on the midge/junebug/wtb/woodchipper and it comes in silver. goin' on the new dropbar 29er. ~Mike~ On Aug 26, 6:49 am, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: FWIW, Origin 8 has one they call the Gary Bar. It's real cheap through your LBS. Only negative is that it does not accept bar ends without some slight modification http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/3143007318/. On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 8:27 AM, jandrews_nyc jasonaschwa...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, Does anyone have any of these trail-type flared-out drop bars they are tired of looking at? Jason -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2Bunsubscrib �...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: midge, junebug, woodchipper, etc
Are they going to be 25.4 or 31.8 only? I think a bar like that is missing from Rivendell's offerings. On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 9:03 PM, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.comwrote: yea baby! and yes it works with bar end shifters. and it's Silver! here is a linky to a proto of the bar http://singularcycles.posterous.com/ragley-luxy-bar-latest it would look great on the Hunqua too. ~Mike~ On Aug 27, 6:43 pm, velomann velom...@gmail.com wrote: A midge-like bar in silver? Sweet! Now if it accepts bar-ends (and why wouldn't it?) I can stop my futile searching for a vintage dirt drop bar. On Aug 26, 7:32 am, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote: I'm waiting for that new one from Ragley called the Luxy. It was designed by the Midge designer after getting all the input on the midge/junebug/wtb/woodchipper and it comes in silver. goin' on the new dropbar 29er. ~Mike~ On Aug 26, 6:49 am, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: FWIW, Origin 8 has one they call the Gary Bar. It's real cheap through your LBS. Only negative is that it does not accept bar ends without some slight modification http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/3143007318/ . On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 8:27 AM, jandrews_nyc jasonaschwa...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, Does anyone have any of these trail-type flared-out drop bars they are tired of looking at? Jason -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2Bunsubscrib �...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: WTB: midge, junebug, woodchipper, etc
my understanding is 31.8 only. Which does not leave any quill stem options. we will have to use one of those adapters with a threadless stem. ~Mike~ On Aug 27, 9:14 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Are they going to be 25.4 or 31.8 only? I think a bar like that is missing from Rivendell's offerings. On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 9:03 PM, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.comwrote: yea baby! and yes it works with bar end shifters. and it's Silver! here is a linky to a proto of the bar http://singularcycles.posterous.com/ragley-luxy-bar-latest it would look great on the Hunqua too. ~Mike~ On Aug 27, 6:43 pm, velomann velom...@gmail.com wrote: A midge-like bar in silver? Sweet! Now if it accepts bar-ends (and why wouldn't it?) I can stop my futile searching for a vintage dirt drop bar. On Aug 26, 7:32 am, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote: I'm waiting for that new one from Ragley called the Luxy. It was designed by the Midge designer after getting all the input on the midge/junebug/wtb/woodchipper and it comes in silver. goin' on the new dropbar 29er. ~Mike~ On Aug 26, 6:49 am, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: FWIW, Origin 8 has one they call the Gary Bar. It's real cheap through your LBS. Only negative is that it does not accept bar ends without some slight modification http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/3143007318/ . On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 8:27 AM, jandrews_nyc jasonaschwa...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, Does anyone have any of these trail-type flared-out drop bars they are tired of looking at? Jason -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscrib...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2Bunsubscrib �...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscrib...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: midge, junebug, woodchipper, etc
Kludgy. On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 10:23 PM, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.comwrote: my understanding is 31.8 only. Which does not leave any quill stem options. we will have to use one of those adapters with a threadless stem. ~Mike~ On Aug 27, 9:14 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Are they going to be 25.4 or 31.8 only? I think a bar like that is missing from Rivendell's offerings. On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 9:03 PM, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote: yea baby! and yes it works with bar end shifters. and it's Silver! here is a linky to a proto of the bar http://singularcycles.posterous.com/ragley-luxy-bar-latest it would look great on the Hunqua too. ~Mike~ On Aug 27, 6:43 pm, velomann velom...@gmail.com wrote: A midge-like bar in silver? Sweet! Now if it accepts bar-ends (and why wouldn't it?) I can stop my futile searching for a vintage dirt drop bar. On Aug 26, 7:32 am, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote: I'm waiting for that new one from Ragley called the Luxy. It was designed by the Midge designer after getting all the input on the midge/junebug/wtb/woodchipper and it comes in silver. goin' on the new dropbar 29er. ~Mike~ On Aug 26, 6:49 am, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: FWIW, Origin 8 has one they call the Gary Bar. It's real cheap through your LBS. Only negative is that it does not accept bar ends without some slight modification http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/3143007318/ . On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 8:27 AM, jandrews_nyc jasonaschwa...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, Does anyone have any of these trail-type flared-out drop bars they are tired of looking at? Jason -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com rbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscrib...@googlegroups.com rbw-owners-bunch%2Bunsubscrib �...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com . To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com rbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscrib...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: WTB: midge, junebug, woodchipper, etc
I'm waiting for that new one from Ragley called the Luxy. It was designed by the Midge designer after getting all the input on the midge/junebug/wtb/woodchipper and it comes in silver. goin' on the new dropbar 29er. ~Mike~ On Aug 26, 6:49 am, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: FWIW, Origin 8 has one they call the Gary Bar. It's real cheap through your LBS. Only negative is that it does not accept bar ends without some slight modification http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/3143007318/. On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 8:27 AM, jandrews_nyc jasonaschwa...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, Does anyone have any of these trail-type flared-out drop bars they are tired of looking at? Jason -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscrib...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
