[RBW] Re: Wiggy's Sleeping Bag
Big Agnes http://www.bigagnes.com/Products/Specs/Bag addresses this issue by providing only a sleeve in the bottom of their bags to hold the pad. Their semi-rectangular bags are very comfortable for tossing and turning. On Oct 14, 6:48 pm, Ray Shine r.sh...@sbcglobal.net wrote: As an avid backpacker, and one who once sewed his own quilt (not so neat of a result) I can explain why quilts are so handy and practical. If one uses a down sleeping bag in the traditional manner, he or she loses almost all of the thermo value underneath the sleeping body as the weight of the sleeper compresses the down, thereby neutralizing any loft, therefore losing nearly all thermo value. Down is most effective when it is lofted, therefore unzipping it and using it as a quilt, with feet tucked into the partially zipped toe box, is an extremely efficient way to use the bag, and it provides S much more comfort when tossing and turning. Of course, the bottom thermo value of any bag is gained not from the bag, but from the mattress. The mattress is the most important thermo block to protect one from low ground temps. If you have not tried sleeping using a mummy bag unzipped as a quilt, I highly recommend it, especially for three-season use. Ray --- On Wed, 10/14/09, clevewheel clevewh...@gmail.com wrote: From: clevewheel clevewh...@gmail.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Wiggy's Sleeping Bag To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Wednesday, October 14, 2009, 8:31 AM Those quilts are a really cool idea, but I have a hard time seeing how they would cover as well as a sleeping bag. On Oct 13, 12:16 pm, usuk2007 clive.stand...@umassmed.edu wrote: Take a look at www.jacksrbetter.com They do a nice line of down sleeping quilts. They pack down small and don't cost as much as many down bags. They must be used with a sleeping pad and give you lots of options for moving about.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Wiggy's Sleeping Bag
On Oct 13, 3:16 pm, usuk2007 clive.stand...@umassmed.edu wrote: Take a look at www.jacksrbetter.com They do a nice line of down sleeping quilts. They pack down small and don't cost as much as many down bags. They must be used with a sleeping pad and give you lots of options for moving about. I have 2 JRB quilts, and heartily recommend them. All of JRB's stuff is made in the USA, too. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Wiggy's Sleeping Bag
+1 on jacksrbetter making really good stuff. I find mummy sleeping bags confining, but they are supposed to be that way to eliminate draughts. I've used a quilt with wings for a couple of years now and really like it. The Shenondoah is good for summer and I go over to the Hudson River in the fall. If I'm camping in the winter I add a Montbell thermawrap jacket On Oct 17, 10:28 pm, Bone Killian vi...@bonius.com wrote: On Oct 13, 3:16 pm, usuk2007 clive.stand...@umassmed.edu wrote: Take a look at www.jacksrbetter.com They do a nice line of down sleeping quilts. They pack down small and don't cost as much as many down bags. They must be used with a sleeping pad and give you lots of options for moving about. I have 2 JRB quilts, and heartily recommend them. All of JRB's stuff is made in the USA, too. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Wiggy's Sleeping Bag
Those quilts are a really cool idea, but I have a hard time seeing how they would cover as well as a sleeping bag. On Oct 13, 12:16 pm, usuk2007 clive.stand...@umassmed.edu wrote: Take a look at www.jacksrbetter.com They do a nice line of down sleeping quilts. They pack down small and don't cost as much as many down bags. They must be used with a sleeping pad and give you lots of options for moving about. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Wiggy's Sleeping Bag
Ray Jardine is a big quilt advocate. There's a bunch of info on his site here: http://www.rayjardine.com/ray-way/Quilt-Kit/index.htm or (same thing): http://bit.ly/2Cn3hv I've never used a quilt instead of a sleeping bag but I'm really interested in trying it out. (I also like Ray Jardine's sew-your-own-gear stance but I haven't yet sewn any of my own gear. That's neither here nor there though.) Stuart Seattle, WA On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 8:31 AM, clevewheel clevewh...@gmail.com wrote: Those quilts are a really cool idea, but I have a hard time seeing how they would cover as well as a sleeping bag. On Oct 13, 12:16 pm, usuk2007 clive.stand...@umassmed.edu wrote: Take a look at www.jacksrbetter.com They do a nice line of down sleeping quilts. They pack down small and don't cost as much as many down bags. They must be used with a sleeping pad and give you lots of options for moving about. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Wiggy's Sleeping Bag
The sew-your-own gear IS a cool idea. I also like the idea of growing all my own food. Neither of them are likely to happen though unless I find myself unemployed! Dustin From: Stuart Fletcher stuart.fletc...@gmail.com Reply-To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 09:54:15 -0700 To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Wiggy's Sleeping Bag Ray Jardine is a big quilt advocate. There's a bunch of info on his site here: http://www.rayjardine.com/ray-way/Quilt-Kit/index.htm or (same thing): http://bit.ly/2Cn3hv I've never used a quilt instead of a sleeping bag but I'm really interested in trying it out. (I also like Ray Jardine's sew-your-own-gear stance but I haven't yet sewn any of my own gear. That's neither here nor there though.) Stuart Seattle, WA On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 8:31 AM, clevewheel clevewh...@gmail.com wrote: Those quilts are a really cool idea, but I have a hard time seeing how they would cover as well as a sleeping bag. On Oct 13, 12:16 pm, usuk2007 clive.stand...@umassmed.edu wrote: Take a look at www.jacksrbetter.com They do a nice line of down sleeping quilts. They pack down small and don't cost as much as many down bags. They must be used with a sleeping pad and give you lots of options for moving about. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Wiggy's Sleeping Bag
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 10:01 AM, Dustin Sharp dsh...@runbox.com wrote: The sew-your-own gear IS a cool idea. I also like the idea of growing all my own food. Neither of them are likely to happen though unless I find myself unemployed! Dustin Yup, agreed Dustin. I resigned myself to the idea that I probably won't be sewing my own quilt anytime soon, the result of my resignation being that I have a box sitting a foot away from me from Rivendell that has a Wiggy's bag in it. UPS just delivered it! Stuart Seattle, WA --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Wiggy's Sleeping Bag
Since you asked for other reccomendations, look at :http:// www.montbell.us/products/disp.php?cat_id=28p_id=1121729 I have two seasons with this bag. Sleeps like a rectangle, weighs 1.9lbs. packs to the size of a large coffee can. Rated at 30 degrees and I've used it from 80 degrees down to below freezing. Very happy. For a great tent, also two seasons of touring look here: http://www.bigagnes.com/Products/Detail/Tent/SeedhouseSL2 . I use the SL2 for added room and not much more weight. The SL1 is a bit smaller and lighter. The tent is wicked fast for setting up, held up this summer at 9,850 ft elevation howling storm with rain the size of quarters on an abandoned logging road just outside of Yosemite NP above Tioga Pass. Both combined the are just a bit over 5lbs. There are lighter ways to tour but I like the comfort and use of a good bag and a good vestibule for my bags. Gary On Oct 12, 9:13 pm, mizrachi mizrachi1...@gmail.com wrote: The Wiggy's Desert Mummy Sleeping Bag found on the Riv site looks compelling but I can find no other reviews of the product. I'm in the market for a sleeping bag (and a 2-person tent) to use on a short tour and I live in Northern Florida, so a summer/fall weight bag would be appropriate, though we do get about a week of near freezing temperatures in the middle of winter. Anyway, I'm intrigued by some of the rectangular shaped bags as well, or at least mummy bags that offer some room to breath, especially in the toe box, or bags that can unzip fully and act more as a blanket than a snug fitting bag. At home, my feet usually like to be on the outside of my comforter and I can imagine feeling pretty overheated and claustrophobic in something too restrictive. Any Wiggy's users out there? Or other recommendations that might work in my case? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Wiggy's Sleeping Bag
As an avid backpacker, and one who once sewed his own quilt (not so neat of a result) I can explain why quilts are so handy and practical. If one uses a down sleeping bag in the traditional manner, he or she loses almost all of the thermo value underneath the sleeping body as the weight of the sleeper compresses the down, thereby neutralizing any loft, therefore losing nearly all thermo value. Down is most effective when it is lofted, therefore unzipping it and using it as a quilt, with feet tucked into the partially zipped toe box, is an extremely efficient way to use the bag, and it provides S much more comfort when tossing and turning. Of course, the bottom thermo value of any bag is gained not from the bag, but from the mattress. The mattress is the most important thermo block to protect one from low ground temps. If you have not tried sleeping using a mummy bag unzipped as a quilt, I highly recommend it, especially for three-season use. Ray --- On Wed, 10/14/09, clevewheel clevewh...@gmail.com wrote: From: clevewheel clevewh...@gmail.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Wiggy's Sleeping Bag To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Wednesday, October 14, 2009, 8:31 AM Those quilts are a really cool idea, but I have a hard time seeing how they would cover as well as a sleeping bag. On Oct 13, 12:16 pm, usuk2007 clive.stand...@umassmed.edu wrote: Take a look at www.jacksrbetter.com They do a nice line of down sleeping quilts. They pack down small and don't cost as much as many down bags. They must be used with a sleeping pad and give you lots of options for moving about. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Wiggy's Sleeping Bag
I use a Wiggy with Wiggy bivy sack for cycle touring. Mine is somewhat heavier than the desert model as I do three season camping here in upper Midwest. Wiggy's are well made, no nonsense bags. There is a very ardent subset of campers who say synthetic fill cannot hold a candle to down. I am happy with the Wiggy and think it a good choice for cycle and back pack campers. On Oct 12, 11:13 pm, mizrachi mizrachi1...@gmail.com wrote: The Wiggy's Desert Mummy Sleeping Bag found on the Riv site looks compelling but I can find no other reviews of the product. I'm in the market for a sleeping bag (and a 2-person tent) to use on a short tour and I live in Northern Florida, so a summer/fall weight bag would be appropriate, though we do get about a week of near freezing temperatures in the middle of winter. Anyway, I'm intrigued by some of the rectangular shaped bags as well, or at least mummy bags that offer some room to breath, especially in the toe box, or bags that can unzip fully and act more as a blanket than a snug fitting bag. At home, my feet usually like to be on the outside of my comforter and I can imagine feeling pretty overheated and claustrophobic in something too restrictive. Any Wiggy's users out there? Or other recommendations that might work in my case? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Wiggy's Sleeping Bag
I've used Wiggy's bags over the years for cycling as well as for backcountry skiing, climbing, and general camping. I've also used down bags and other synthetics... Wiggy's are great bags. Like all synthetics, they pack bulkier than down, but that is, in my experience, inconsequential for most applications. lyle f bogart dpt tacoma, wa On Oct 12, 9:13 pm, mizrachi mizrachi1...@gmail.com wrote: The Wiggy's Desert Mummy Sleeping Bag found on the Riv site looks compelling but I can find no other reviews of the product. I'm in the market for a sleeping bag (and a 2-person tent) to use on a short tour and I live in Northern Florida, so a summer/fall weight bag would be appropriate, though we do get about a week of near freezing temperatures in the middle of winter. Anyway, I'm intrigued by some of the rectangular shaped bags as well, or at least mummy bags that offer some room to breath, especially in the toe box, or bags that can unzip fully and act more as a blanket than a snug fitting bag. At home, my feet usually like to be on the outside of my comforter and I can imagine feeling pretty overheated and claustrophobic in something too restrictive. Any Wiggy's users out there? Or other recommendations that might work in my case? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Wiggy's Sleeping Bag
Take a look at www.jacksrbetter.com They do a nice line of down sleeping quilts. They pack down small and don't cost as much as many down bags. They must be used with a sleeping pad and give you lots of options for moving about. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
