[RBW] Re: anyone push their altus (m310) to a 36t rear cog?

[Lefebeaver]

I’m running silver shifters, so it’s not an indexing issue. The upper part 
of the pulley cage actually makes metal to metal contact with the cassette 
as it passes between 3rd and 1st. When runnng in the middle ring up front 
and second in the back, it just touches the innermost gear on the cassette. 
 It is a newer Atlantis 59cm with very long chain stays, so I had to buy 
two chains and add a section to get a long enough chain. I’ve played with 
the B screw in the past, just checked it now and it’s all the way in - but 
the slack in the spring of the derailleur still allows it to swing forward 
directly under the cassette. With the chain length I’m currently running, 
the Altus gets pretty stretched out in a max to max stretch, so it seems 
like the only place to go is a bit longer on the chain... or maybe it’s 
time to add a goat link? 

On Tuesday, June 22, 2021 at 10:06:54 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Lefebeaver, I'll add to the chain questions with a shifter one: Are you 
> using friction or index? Your problem on the second-biggest rear cog sounds 
> like the pulley wheels are landing slightly off-center and towards the 
> biggest cog, which would create that crunchy sound. Like you're going to 
> get that crunch when shifting to the big cog, and the chain is already 
> halfway there and crunching before you start the shift. 
>
> I've had this exact issue with an Altus and indexing, it's not a terribly 
> precise derailleur for clicky-shifting. This theory is moot if you use 
> friction and can't trim that sound out. 
>
> Joe Bernard
>
> On Tuesday, June 22, 2021 at 6:59:32 AM UTC-7 Lefebeaver wrote:
>
>> My Atlantis is set up with an Altus, 24-34-44 up front, and 11-34 8-spd 
>> in back. I set up the chain length according to guidelines I got from Riv, 
>> but my Altus grinds on the second biggest gear in back when shifting to the 
>> innermost one - it scrapes on the gear on its way up and makes a horrendous 
>> noise, and although it'll run in that second gear, it's clunky so I rarely 
>> use it, but the biggest gear works fine once you get up there. I'm 
>> wondering if anyone else has had this issue - should I add some more links 
>> to the chain? I ultimately wish to go bigger in back - was on a loaded dirt 
>> road tour in Brazil where there were some hills I didn't have a low enough 
>> gear to climb and I had to walk it up, while my companions on mountain 
>> bikes just went grinding up in their 1X setups. Thinking I need to get a 
>> goat link for that next step to a larger cassette in back; what is the 
>> guidance for choosing chain length with a link?
>>
>>
>> On Monday, June 21, 2021 at 4:34:55 PM UTC-4 dougP wrote:
>>
>>> Same here.  My Atlantis has a 24/34/44 triple, and the Altus handles it 
>>> fine.  IIRC, the Altus is less than $30 at Rivendell (if they have them to 
>>> sell).
>>>
>>> dougP
>>>
>>> On Monday, June 21, 2021 at 6:01:46 AM UTC-7 Bill Schairer wrote:
>>>
 I ran an Altus on my Atlantis with a 12-36 9 speed cassette and a 
 42/34/19 triple for a week on the GDMBR and had no troubles other than 
 being laughed at by another cyclist for my selection of a rear derailleur. 
  
 What can I say - it worked.  I decided to switch to the Altus for that 
 ride 
 because I had it and it has amazing chain wrap, which I thought would be 
 desirable with that 19t granny.  It has been two years now and it is still 
 on the bike.

 Bill S
 San Diego

 On Sunday, June 20, 2021 at 8:51:11 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> What Doug said, it should be fine, Shimano rear derailers are usually 
> good for pushing a couple teeth bigger than listed. I believe - this is 
> math stuff I don't fully understand - some of the concern comes from if 
> you're running a wide-range triple crank *and *a big cassette..at 
> some point in there things get screwy. But most of us don't run triples 
> that way and you may not even have a big ring, just guard-middle-small. I 
> say give it a whirl! 
>
> Joe Bernard
>
> On Sunday, June 20, 2021 at 6:20:31 PM UTC-7 Michael Baquerizo wrote:
>
>> bought a 11-36t cassette for my new appa and already have some altus' 
>> that i'd like to use ( i guess i have back up shimano rear in case they 
>> dont) but i realized it's supposed to be 34t max. anyone get it past 
>> that?  
>> tried looking elsewhere to no avail.
>>
>> keep seeing altus' on riv builds and it's growing on me 
>> aesthetically, in a riv sort of way. my back up is an m952 xtr rear. not 
>> a 
>> huge fan of the charcoal color so i'm not super excited to use it, but i 
>> guess i can get over that pretty quickly
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: anyone push their altus (m310) to a 36t rear cog?

[Joe Bernard]

Lefebeaver, I'll add to the chain questions with a shifter one: Are you 
using friction or index? Your problem on the second-biggest rear cog sounds 
like the pulley wheels are landing slightly off-center and towards the 
biggest cog, which would create that crunchy sound. Like you're going to 
get that crunch when shifting to the big cog, and the chain is already 
halfway there and crunching before you start the shift. 

I've had this exact issue with an Altus and indexing, it's not a terribly 
precise derailleur for clicky-shifting. This theory is moot if you use 
friction and can't trim that sound out. 

Joe Bernard

On Tuesday, June 22, 2021 at 6:59:32 AM UTC-7 Lefebeaver wrote:

> My Atlantis is set up with an Altus, 24-34-44 up front, and 11-34 8-spd in 
> back. I set up the chain length according to guidelines I got from Riv, but 
> my Altus grinds on the second biggest gear in back when shifting to the 
> innermost one - it scrapes on the gear on its way up and makes a horrendous 
> noise, and although it'll run in that second gear, it's clunky so I rarely 
> use it, but the biggest gear works fine once you get up there. I'm 
> wondering if anyone else has had this issue - should I add some more links 
> to the chain? I ultimately wish to go bigger in back - was on a loaded dirt 
> road tour in Brazil where there were some hills I didn't have a low enough 
> gear to climb and I had to walk it up, while my companions on mountain 
> bikes just went grinding up in their 1X setups. Thinking I need to get a 
> goat link for that next step to a larger cassette in back; what is the 
> guidance for choosing chain length with a link?
>
>
> On Monday, June 21, 2021 at 4:34:55 PM UTC-4 dougP wrote:
>
>> Same here.  My Atlantis has a 24/34/44 triple, and the Altus handles it 
>> fine.  IIRC, the Altus is less than $30 at Rivendell (if they have them to 
>> sell).
>>
>> dougP
>>
>> On Monday, June 21, 2021 at 6:01:46 AM UTC-7 Bill Schairer wrote:
>>
>>> I ran an Altus on my Atlantis with a 12-36 9 speed cassette and a 
>>> 42/34/19 triple for a week on the GDMBR and had no troubles other than 
>>> being laughed at by another cyclist for my selection of a rear derailleur.  
>>> What can I say - it worked.  I decided to switch to the Altus for that ride 
>>> because I had it and it has amazing chain wrap, which I thought would be 
>>> desirable with that 19t granny.  It has been two years now and it is still 
>>> on the bike.
>>>
>>> Bill S
>>> San Diego
>>>
>>> On Sunday, June 20, 2021 at 8:51:11 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 What Doug said, it should be fine, Shimano rear derailers are usually 
 good for pushing a couple teeth bigger than listed. I believe - this is 
 math stuff I don't fully understand - some of the concern comes from if 
 you're running a wide-range triple crank *and *a big cassette..at some 
 point in there things get screwy. But most of us don't run triples that 
 way 
 and you may not even have a big ring, just guard-middle-small. I say give 
 it a whirl! 

 Joe Bernard

 On Sunday, June 20, 2021 at 6:20:31 PM UTC-7 Michael Baquerizo wrote:

> bought a 11-36t cassette for my new appa and already have some altus' 
> that i'd like to use ( i guess i have back up shimano rear in case they 
> dont) but i realized it's supposed to be 34t max. anyone get it past 
> that?  
> tried looking elsewhere to no avail.
>
> keep seeing altus' on riv builds and it's growing on me aesthetically, 
> in a riv sort of way. my back up is an m952 xtr rear. not a huge fan of 
> the 
> charcoal color so i'm not super excited to use it, but i guess i can get 
> over that pretty quickly
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: anyone push their altus (m310) to a 36t rear cog?

[dougP]

Lefebeaver:

Is your Atlantis one of the newer ones with longer chainstays?  Mine is an 
'03 with IIRC 45 cm chainstays.  I always install chains as they come, with 
no length adjustment.  The longer stays where you have to add chain may 
require some care.  

dougP

On Tuesday, June 22, 2021 at 7:57:48 AM UTC-7 lconley wrote:

> Sound like the chain is too long, and/or the B screw (body angle screw) 
> needs to be turned in. Turning the B screw in (clockwise) increases the 
> distance between the derailleur and the cogs.
>
> Laing
> Delray Beach FL
>
> On Tuesday, June 22, 2021 at 9:59:32 AM UTC-4 Lefebeaver wrote:
>
>> My Atlantis is set up with an Altus, 24-34-44 up front, and 11-34 8-spd 
>> in back. I set up the chain length according to guidelines I got from Riv, 
>> but my Altus grinds on the second biggest gear in back when shifting to the 
>> innermost one - it scrapes on the gear on its way up and makes a horrendous 
>> noise, and although it'll run in that second gear, it's clunky so I rarely 
>> use it, but the biggest gear works fine once you get up there. I'm 
>> wondering if anyone else has had this issue - should I add some more links 
>> to the chain? I ultimately wish to go bigger in back - was on a loaded dirt 
>> road tour in Brazil where there were some hills I didn't have a low enough 
>> gear to climb and I had to walk it up, while my companions on mountain 
>> bikes just went grinding up in their 1X setups. Thinking I need to get a 
>> goat link for that next step to a larger cassette in back; what is the 
>> guidance for choosing chain length with a link?
>>
>>
>> On Monday, June 21, 2021 at 4:34:55 PM UTC-4 dougP wrote:
>>
>>> Same here.  My Atlantis has a 24/34/44 triple, and the Altus handles it 
>>> fine.  IIRC, the Altus is less than $30 at Rivendell (if they have them to 
>>> sell).
>>>
>>> dougP
>>>
>>> On Monday, June 21, 2021 at 6:01:46 AM UTC-7 Bill Schairer wrote:
>>>
 I ran an Altus on my Atlantis with a 12-36 9 speed cassette and a 
 42/34/19 triple for a week on the GDMBR and had no troubles other than 
 being laughed at by another cyclist for my selection of a rear derailleur. 
  
 What can I say - it worked.  I decided to switch to the Altus for that 
 ride 
 because I had it and it has amazing chain wrap, which I thought would be 
 desirable with that 19t granny.  It has been two years now and it is still 
 on the bike.

 Bill S
 San Diego

 On Sunday, June 20, 2021 at 8:51:11 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> What Doug said, it should be fine, Shimano rear derailers are usually 
> good for pushing a couple teeth bigger than listed. I believe - this is 
> math stuff I don't fully understand - some of the concern comes from if 
> you're running a wide-range triple crank *and *a big cassette..at 
> some point in there things get screwy. But most of us don't run triples 
> that way and you may not even have a big ring, just guard-middle-small. I 
> say give it a whirl! 
>
> Joe Bernard
>
> On Sunday, June 20, 2021 at 6:20:31 PM UTC-7 Michael Baquerizo wrote:
>
>> bought a 11-36t cassette for my new appa and already have some altus' 
>> that i'd like to use ( i guess i have back up shimano rear in case they 
>> dont) but i realized it's supposed to be 34t max. anyone get it past 
>> that?  
>> tried looking elsewhere to no avail.
>>
>> keep seeing altus' on riv builds and it's growing on me 
>> aesthetically, in a riv sort of way. my back up is an m952 xtr rear. not 
>> a 
>> huge fan of the charcoal color so i'm not super excited to use it, but i 
>> guess i can get over that pretty quickly
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: anyone push their altus (m310) to a 36t rear cog?

[lconley]

Sound like the chain is too long, and/or the B screw (body angle screw) 
needs to be turned in. Turning the B screw in (clockwise) increases the 
distance between the derailleur and the cogs.

Laing
Delray Beach FL

On Tuesday, June 22, 2021 at 9:59:32 AM UTC-4 Lefebeaver wrote:

> My Atlantis is set up with an Altus, 24-34-44 up front, and 11-34 8-spd in 
> back. I set up the chain length according to guidelines I got from Riv, but 
> my Altus grinds on the second biggest gear in back when shifting to the 
> innermost one - it scrapes on the gear on its way up and makes a horrendous 
> noise, and although it'll run in that second gear, it's clunky so I rarely 
> use it, but the biggest gear works fine once you get up there. I'm 
> wondering if anyone else has had this issue - should I add some more links 
> to the chain? I ultimately wish to go bigger in back - was on a loaded dirt 
> road tour in Brazil where there were some hills I didn't have a low enough 
> gear to climb and I had to walk it up, while my companions on mountain 
> bikes just went grinding up in their 1X setups. Thinking I need to get a 
> goat link for that next step to a larger cassette in back; what is the 
> guidance for choosing chain length with a link?
>
>
> On Monday, June 21, 2021 at 4:34:55 PM UTC-4 dougP wrote:
>
>> Same here.  My Atlantis has a 24/34/44 triple, and the Altus handles it 
>> fine.  IIRC, the Altus is less than $30 at Rivendell (if they have them to 
>> sell).
>>
>> dougP
>>
>> On Monday, June 21, 2021 at 6:01:46 AM UTC-7 Bill Schairer wrote:
>>
>>> I ran an Altus on my Atlantis with a 12-36 9 speed cassette and a 
>>> 42/34/19 triple for a week on the GDMBR and had no troubles other than 
>>> being laughed at by another cyclist for my selection of a rear derailleur.  
>>> What can I say - it worked.  I decided to switch to the Altus for that ride 
>>> because I had it and it has amazing chain wrap, which I thought would be 
>>> desirable with that 19t granny.  It has been two years now and it is still 
>>> on the bike.
>>>
>>> Bill S
>>> San Diego
>>>
>>> On Sunday, June 20, 2021 at 8:51:11 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 What Doug said, it should be fine, Shimano rear derailers are usually 
 good for pushing a couple teeth bigger than listed. I believe - this is 
 math stuff I don't fully understand - some of the concern comes from if 
 you're running a wide-range triple crank *and *a big cassette..at some 
 point in there things get screwy. But most of us don't run triples that 
 way 
 and you may not even have a big ring, just guard-middle-small. I say give 
 it a whirl! 

 Joe Bernard

 On Sunday, June 20, 2021 at 6:20:31 PM UTC-7 Michael Baquerizo wrote:

> bought a 11-36t cassette for my new appa and already have some altus' 
> that i'd like to use ( i guess i have back up shimano rear in case they 
> dont) but i realized it's supposed to be 34t max. anyone get it past 
> that?  
> tried looking elsewhere to no avail.
>
> keep seeing altus' on riv builds and it's growing on me aesthetically, 
> in a riv sort of way. my back up is an m952 xtr rear. not a huge fan of 
> the 
> charcoal color so i'm not super excited to use it, but i guess i can get 
> over that pretty quickly
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: anyone push their altus (m310) to a 36t rear cog?

[Lefebeaver]

My Atlantis is set up with an Altus, 24-34-44 up front, and 11-34 8-spd in 
back. I set up the chain length according to guidelines I got from Riv, but 
my Altus grinds on the second biggest gear in back when shifting to the 
innermost one - it scrapes on the gear on its way up and makes a horrendous 
noise, and although it'll run in that second gear, it's clunky so I rarely 
use it, but the biggest gear works fine once you get up there. I'm 
wondering if anyone else has had this issue - should I add some more links 
to the chain? I ultimately wish to go bigger in back - was on a loaded dirt 
road tour in Brazil where there were some hills I didn't have a low enough 
gear to climb and I had to walk it up, while my companions on mountain 
bikes just went grinding up in their 1X setups. Thinking I need to get a 
goat link for that next step to a larger cassette in back; what is the 
guidance for choosing chain length with a link?


On Monday, June 21, 2021 at 4:34:55 PM UTC-4 dougP wrote:

> Same here.  My Atlantis has a 24/34/44 triple, and the Altus handles it 
> fine.  IIRC, the Altus is less than $30 at Rivendell (if they have them to 
> sell).
>
> dougP
>
> On Monday, June 21, 2021 at 6:01:46 AM UTC-7 Bill Schairer wrote:
>
>> I ran an Altus on my Atlantis with a 12-36 9 speed cassette and a 
>> 42/34/19 triple for a week on the GDMBR and had no troubles other than 
>> being laughed at by another cyclist for my selection of a rear derailleur.  
>> What can I say - it worked.  I decided to switch to the Altus for that ride 
>> because I had it and it has amazing chain wrap, which I thought would be 
>> desirable with that 19t granny.  It has been two years now and it is still 
>> on the bike.
>>
>> Bill S
>> San Diego
>>
>> On Sunday, June 20, 2021 at 8:51:11 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> What Doug said, it should be fine, Shimano rear derailers are usually 
>>> good for pushing a couple teeth bigger than listed. I believe - this is 
>>> math stuff I don't fully understand - some of the concern comes from if 
>>> you're running a wide-range triple crank *and *a big cassette..at some 
>>> point in there things get screwy. But most of us don't run triples that way 
>>> and you may not even have a big ring, just guard-middle-small. I say give 
>>> it a whirl! 
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard
>>>
>>> On Sunday, June 20, 2021 at 6:20:31 PM UTC-7 Michael Baquerizo wrote:
>>>
 bought a 11-36t cassette for my new appa and already have some altus' 
 that i'd like to use ( i guess i have back up shimano rear in case they 
 dont) but i realized it's supposed to be 34t max. anyone get it past that? 
  
 tried looking elsewhere to no avail.

 keep seeing altus' on riv builds and it's growing on me aesthetically, 
 in a riv sort of way. my back up is an m952 xtr rear. not a huge fan of 
 the 
 charcoal color so i'm not super excited to use it, but i guess i can get 
 over that pretty quickly




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[RBW] Re: anyone push their altus (m310) to a 36t rear cog?

[dougP]

Same here.  My Atlantis has a 24/34/44 triple, and the Altus handles it 
fine.  IIRC, the Altus is less than $30 at Rivendell (if they have them to 
sell).

dougP

On Monday, June 21, 2021 at 6:01:46 AM UTC-7 Bill Schairer wrote:

> I ran an Altus on my Atlantis with a 12-36 9 speed cassette and a 42/34/19 
> triple for a week on the GDMBR and had no troubles other than being laughed 
> at by another cyclist for my selection of a rear derailleur.  What can I 
> say - it worked.  I decided to switch to the Altus for that ride because I 
> had it and it has amazing chain wrap, which I thought would be desirable 
> with that 19t granny.  It has been two years now and it is still on the 
> bike.
>
> Bill S
> San Diego
>
> On Sunday, June 20, 2021 at 8:51:11 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> What Doug said, it should be fine, Shimano rear derailers are usually 
>> good for pushing a couple teeth bigger than listed. I believe - this is 
>> math stuff I don't fully understand - some of the concern comes from if 
>> you're running a wide-range triple crank *and *a big cassette..at some 
>> point in there things get screwy. But most of us don't run triples that way 
>> and you may not even have a big ring, just guard-middle-small. I say give 
>> it a whirl! 
>>
>> Joe Bernard
>>
>> On Sunday, June 20, 2021 at 6:20:31 PM UTC-7 Michael Baquerizo wrote:
>>
>>> bought a 11-36t cassette for my new appa and already have some altus' 
>>> that i'd like to use ( i guess i have back up shimano rear in case they 
>>> dont) but i realized it's supposed to be 34t max. anyone get it past that?  
>>> tried looking elsewhere to no avail.
>>>
>>> keep seeing altus' on riv builds and it's growing on me aesthetically, 
>>> in a riv sort of way. my back up is an m952 xtr rear. not a huge fan of the 
>>> charcoal color so i'm not super excited to use it, but i guess i can get 
>>> over that pretty quickly
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: anyone push their altus (m310) to a 36t rear cog?

[Bill Schairer]

I ran an Altus on my Atlantis with a 12-36 9 speed cassette and a 42/34/19 
triple for a week on the GDMBR and had no troubles other than being laughed 
at by another cyclist for my selection of a rear derailleur.  What can I 
say - it worked.  I decided to switch to the Altus for that ride because I 
had it and it has amazing chain wrap, which I thought would be desirable 
with that 19t granny.  It has been two years now and it is still on the 
bike.

Bill S
San Diego

On Sunday, June 20, 2021 at 8:51:11 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> What Doug said, it should be fine, Shimano rear derailers are usually good 
> for pushing a couple teeth bigger than listed. I believe - this is math 
> stuff I don't fully understand - some of the concern comes from if you're 
> running a wide-range triple crank *and *a big cassette..at some point in 
> there things get screwy. But most of us don't run triples that way and you 
> may not even have a big ring, just guard-middle-small. I say give it a 
> whirl! 
>
> Joe Bernard
>
> On Sunday, June 20, 2021 at 6:20:31 PM UTC-7 Michael Baquerizo wrote:
>
>> bought a 11-36t cassette for my new appa and already have some altus' 
>> that i'd like to use ( i guess i have back up shimano rear in case they 
>> dont) but i realized it's supposed to be 34t max. anyone get it past that?  
>> tried looking elsewhere to no avail.
>>
>> keep seeing altus' on riv builds and it's growing on me aesthetically, in 
>> a riv sort of way. my back up is an m952 xtr rear. not a huge fan of the 
>> charcoal color so i'm not super excited to use it, but i guess i can get 
>> over that pretty quickly
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: anyone push their altus (m310) to a 36t rear cog?

[Joe Bernard]

What Doug said, it should be fine, Shimano rear derailers are usually good 
for pushing a couple teeth bigger than listed. I believe - this is math 
stuff I don't fully understand - some of the concern comes from if you're 
running a wide-range triple crank *and *a big cassette..at some point in 
there things get screwy. But most of us don't run triples that way and you 
may not even have a big ring, just guard-middle-small. I say give it a 
whirl! 

Joe Bernard

On Sunday, June 20, 2021 at 6:20:31 PM UTC-7 Michael Baquerizo wrote:

> bought a 11-36t cassette for my new appa and already have some altus' that 
> i'd like to use ( i guess i have back up shimano rear in case they dont) 
> but i realized it's supposed to be 34t max. anyone get it past that?  tried 
> looking elsewhere to no avail.
>
> keep seeing altus' on riv builds and it's growing on me aesthetically, in 
> a riv sort of way. my back up is an m952 xtr rear. not a huge fan of the 
> charcoal color so i'm not super excited to use it, but i guess i can get 
> over that pretty quickly
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: anyone push their altus (m310) to a 36t rear cog?

[dougP]

I have an 11-36 9 speed cassette shifted by an Altus on my Atlantis.  Works 
fine.  I had a 34 big cog before & didn't change a thing when I replaced 
with the 36.  

dougP

On Sunday, June 20, 2021 at 6:20:31 PM UTC-7 Michael Baquerizo wrote:

> bought a 11-36t cassette for my new appa and already have some altus' that 
> i'd like to use ( i guess i have back up shimano rear in case they dont) 
> but i realized it's supposed to be 34t max. anyone get it past that?  tried 
> looking elsewhere to no avail.
>
> keep seeing altus' on riv builds and it's growing on me aesthetically, in 
> a riv sort of way. my back up is an m952 xtr rear. not a huge fan of the 
> charcoal color so i'm not super excited to use it, but i guess i can get 
> over that pretty quickly
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: anyone push their altus (m310) to a 36t rear cog?

[Jared Wilson]

We have two bikes successfully set up with Altus rear with Microsoft 9 
speed 11-42 cassettes using the Sunrace derailleur extenders available HERE 
 on Rivendell's 
website. I think you'd be fine without one on a 36 but that's the next move 
if you aren't able to swing it.

On Sunday, June 20, 2021 at 6:20:31 PM UTC-7 Michael Baquerizo wrote:

> bought a 11-36t cassette for my new appa and already have some altus' that 
> i'd like to use ( i guess i have back up shimano rear in case they dont) 
> but i realized it's supposed to be 34t max. anyone get it past that?  tried 
> looking elsewhere to no avail.
>
> keep seeing altus' on riv builds and it's growing on me aesthetically, in 
> a riv sort of way. my back up is an m952 xtr rear. not a huge fan of the 
> charcoal color so i'm not super excited to use it, but i guess i can get 
> over that pretty quickly
>
>
>

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