[RBW] Re: baby boomer blues
Thank you all for the suggestions. I have several B-17's on different bikes so first thing, I'll try eliminating the one(s) that hurt. But ultimately, I suspect I'll be trying another brand or style. On Saturday, October 4, 2014 8:33:18 AM UTC-4, alan lavine wrote: I've been an avid recreational cyclist for over 30 yrs, and have made numerous adjustments to compensate for aging (I'm now 65). These have included larger frames, higher handlebars, wider more supple tires, lower gears, etc. I'm slower and less aggressive in my riding style and now do credit card rather than self-contained touring. Still. I'm more fit and slim than most of my peers, and still enjoy whatever riding I can do. But now the unthinkable has happened.my beloved Brooks saddles are hurting my butt! I don't have much padding there to begin with, but never have had saddle problems before. I'm guessing its because of a more upright riding position dictated by lower back and neck issues. I'd be crushed if I had to move away from leather saddleswell, maybe not crushed, but disappointed. Any ideas or suggestions from the group? Please don't mention recumbents, as that's really my last resort option and I'm not there yet. Best, Alan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: baby boomer blues
alan, It's a saddle . It's meant to work FOR You, not against you. It's a means to the experience of riding a bike. A means, not an end. It's not the saddles fault, or ages fault, or anyone's fault. You simply have a desire for something else that only You know of, and it's calling you . Go about your way with joyous abandon and everything will work out, it always does . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: baby boomer blues
David, perfect description. Gee, Michael, I did go back to the company and found them curiously defensive and somewhat whiny about their financial position. Selle Titanico X - I'm 215 lbs. (6''3) - supposed to be the right saddle for me. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/bulldog1935/Raleigh/F%20Moser/aaaP4130003.jpg 9 months on saddle, the question was what are they going to do. The discoloration is because the leather was stretching and the glue laminating the leather to the plastic was extruding through the leather. Design? Q/C? Regardless, the saddle was at the end of its useful life for me. And yes, I rode many comfortable miles on the saddle, and the third-of-the-stretch-bolt that is left might take someone lighter person many more miles than it was going to take me. Rivet is not without their quirks, either. It's very round and sits very different - hard at first contact. When you get down the road, you realize the support is just fine and is quite comfortable in spite of no feeling cushy. The error she made on the saddle is the hole radius at the back of the cut-out is too small, making the saddle deform to a ridge that has the potential to be personally intruding. Higher-grade Brooks are still superior, their design was never broken, but in the standard grades, have seen several Q/C problems with them, as well. On Saturday, October 4, 2014 11:53:36 PM UTC-5, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: Or try the B17 if you're currently running a Professional, Swift, or other narrow saddle. Basically whichever Brooks you currently have, go to the next wider model and see if that works better (conventional wisdom says it should). Cheers, David it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 9:50 PM, Ron Mc bulld...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: Riding regularly on Brooks B17 (semi-upright moustache cockpit) and both Selle AnAtomica and Rivet Indy on my drop-bar go-fast, my broken in B17 Special is still the coziest. My AnAtomica never stopped stretching, and replacing it with the Rivet worked out better in the long-run (the Rivet settled in and quit stretching). We've heard from some on the forum who don't like the B17 and found the Rivet Pearl worked for them. I agree on a fully upright bike, Brooks B67 (bigger) or B72 (biggest) is the way to go. The B68 has been discontinued. You'd likely also have to drop the seat post a bit or these wide saddles will rub your thighs. On Saturday, October 4, 2014 10:36:11 PM UTC-5, dougP wrote: Alan: I've used Brooks B17 for a number of years, and found there is noticeable variation in comfort from saddle to saddle. Hey, not all cows are alike! My strategy is to put the most comfortable one on my Atlantis, as that's the bike I'll do longer rides on, the next one on another bike that's not as demanding, and my crummy one (ruined by rain neglect) on my utility bike. Of course, this assumes you have at least one Brooks that's comfortable for your longest time in the saddle. If they're all uncomfortable, maybe time for a change. I've been told Rivets are pretty good but haven't ridden on myself. The opinion comes from a guy who rents high end bikes to fussy customers, and he's found his clients who don't bring their own saddle don't complain about the Rivets. dougP On Saturday, October 4, 2014 5:33:18 AM UTC-7, alan lavine wrote: I've been an avid recreational cyclist for over 30 yrs, and have made numerous adjustments to compensate for aging (I'm now 65). These have included larger frames, higher handlebars, wider more supple tires, lower gears, etc. I'm slower and less aggressive in my riding style and now do credit card rather than self-contained touring. Still. I'm more fit and slim than most of my peers, and still enjoy whatever riding I can do. But now the unthinkable has happened.my beloved Brooks saddles are hurting my butt! I don't have much padding there to begin with, but never have had saddle problems before. I'm guessing its because of a more upright riding position dictated by lower back and neck issues. I'd be crushed if I had to move away from leather saddleswell, maybe not crushed, but disappointed. Any ideas or suggestions from the group? Please don't mention recumbents, as that's really my last resort option and I'm not there yet. Best, Alan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the
Re: [RBW] Re: baby boomer blues
I'm sorry to read both that you have had such bad luck and that they didn't want to own a mfg defect. I wonder if the early ones, labeled Robusto, which is what I have, are better? I believe that originally they were buying Brooks saddles and modifying them before they got into their own leather. Also the company founder died suddenly (I think while riding in Death Valley) and that too may have contributed to a loss of control over the product. It would be interesting to hear from others who have more recent purchases. Sometimes these quality issues get turned around. Michael On Sunday, October 5, 2014 7:52:51 AM UTC-4, Ron Mc wrote: David, perfect description. Gee, Michael, I did go back to the company and found them curiously defensive and somewhat whiny about their financial position. Selle Titanico X - I'm 215 lbs. (6''3) - supposed to be the right saddle for me. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/bulldog1935/Raleigh/F%20Moser/aaaP4130003.jpg 9 months on saddle, the question was what are they going to do. The discoloration is because the leather was stretching and the glue laminating the leather to the plastic was extruding through the leather. Design? Q/C? Regardless, the saddle was at the end of its useful life for me. And yes, I rode many comfortable miles on the saddle, and the third-of-the-stretch-bolt that is left might take someone lighter person many more miles than it was going to take me. Rivet is not without their quirks, either. It's very round and sits very different - hard at first contact. When you get down the road, you realize the support is just fine and is quite comfortable in spite of no feeling cushy. The error she made on the saddle is the hole radius at the back of the cut-out is too small, making the saddle deform to a ridge that has the potential to be personally intruding. Higher-grade Brooks are still superior, their design was never broken, but in the standard grades, have seen several Q/C problems with them, as well. On Saturday, October 4, 2014 11:53:36 PM UTC-5, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: Or try the B17 if you're currently running a Professional, Swift, or other narrow saddle. Basically whichever Brooks you currently have, go to the next wider model and see if that works better (conventional wisdom says it should). Cheers, David it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 9:50 PM, Ron Mc bulld...@gmail.com wrote: Riding regularly on Brooks B17 (semi-upright moustache cockpit) and both Selle AnAtomica and Rivet Indy on my drop-bar go-fast, my broken in B17 Special is still the coziest. My AnAtomica never stopped stretching, and replacing it with the Rivet worked out better in the long-run (the Rivet settled in and quit stretching). We've heard from some on the forum who don't like the B17 and found the Rivet Pearl worked for them. I agree on a fully upright bike, Brooks B67 (bigger) or B72 (biggest) is the way to go. The B68 has been discontinued. You'd likely also have to drop the seat post a bit or these wide saddles will rub your thighs. On Saturday, October 4, 2014 10:36:11 PM UTC-5, dougP wrote: Alan: I've used Brooks B17 for a number of years, and found there is noticeable variation in comfort from saddle to saddle. Hey, not all cows are alike! My strategy is to put the most comfortable one on my Atlantis, as that's the bike I'll do longer rides on, the next one on another bike that's not as demanding, and my crummy one (ruined by rain neglect) on my utility bike. Of course, this assumes you have at least one Brooks that's comfortable for your longest time in the saddle. If they're all uncomfortable, maybe time for a change. I've been told Rivets are pretty good but haven't ridden on myself. The opinion comes from a guy who rents high end bikes to fussy customers, and he's found his clients who don't bring their own saddle don't complain about the Rivets. dougP On Saturday, October 4, 2014 5:33:18 AM UTC-7, alan lavine wrote: I've been an avid recreational cyclist for over 30 yrs, and have made numerous adjustments to compensate for aging (I'm now 65). These have included larger frames, higher handlebars, wider more supple tires, lower gears, etc. I'm slower and less aggressive in my riding style and now do credit card rather than self-contained touring. Still. I'm more fit and slim than most of my peers, and still enjoy whatever riding I can do. But now the unthinkable has happened.my beloved Brooks saddles are hurting my butt! I don't have much padding there to begin with, but never have had saddle problems before. I'm guessing its because of a more upright riding position dictated by lower back and neck issues. I'd be crushed if I had to move away from leather saddleswell, maybe not crushed, but disappointed. Any ideas
[RBW] Re: baby boomer blues
Alan: I've used Brooks B17 for a number of years, and found there is noticeable variation in comfort from saddle to saddle. Hey, not all cows are alike! My strategy is to put the most comfortable one on my Atlantis, as that's the bike I'll do longer rides on, the next one on another bike that's not as demanding, and my crummy one (ruined by rain neglect) on my utility bike. Of course, this assumes you have at least one Brooks that's comfortable for your longest time in the saddle. If they're all uncomfortable, maybe time for a change. I've been told Rivets are pretty good but haven't ridden on myself. The opinion comes from a guy who rents high end bikes to fussy customers, and he's found his clients who don't bring their own saddle don't complain about the Rivets. dougP On Saturday, October 4, 2014 5:33:18 AM UTC-7, alan lavine wrote: I've been an avid recreational cyclist for over 30 yrs, and have made numerous adjustments to compensate for aging (I'm now 65). These have included larger frames, higher handlebars, wider more supple tires, lower gears, etc. I'm slower and less aggressive in my riding style and now do credit card rather than self-contained touring. Still. I'm more fit and slim than most of my peers, and still enjoy whatever riding I can do. But now the unthinkable has happened.my beloved Brooks saddles are hurting my butt! I don't have much padding there to begin with, but never have had saddle problems before. I'm guessing its because of a more upright riding position dictated by lower back and neck issues. I'd be crushed if I had to move away from leather saddleswell, maybe not crushed, but disappointed. Any ideas or suggestions from the group? Please don't mention recumbents, as that's really my last resort option and I'm not there yet. Best, Alan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: baby boomer blues
Riding regularly on Brooks B17 (semi-upright moustache cockpit) and both Selle AnAtomica and Rivet Indy on my drop-bar go-fast, my broken in B17 Special is still the coziest. My AnAtomica never stopped stretching, and replacing it with the Rivet worked out better in the long-run (the Rivet settled in and quit stretching). We've heard from some on the forum who don't like the B17 and found the Rivet Pearl worked for them. I agree on a fully upright bike, Brooks B67 (bigger) or B72 (biggest) is the way to go. The B68 has been discontinued. You'd likely also have to drop the seat post a bit or these wide saddles will rub your thighs. On Saturday, October 4, 2014 10:36:11 PM UTC-5, dougP wrote: Alan: I've used Brooks B17 for a number of years, and found there is noticeable variation in comfort from saddle to saddle. Hey, not all cows are alike! My strategy is to put the most comfortable one on my Atlantis, as that's the bike I'll do longer rides on, the next one on another bike that's not as demanding, and my crummy one (ruined by rain neglect) on my utility bike. Of course, this assumes you have at least one Brooks that's comfortable for your longest time in the saddle. If they're all uncomfortable, maybe time for a change. I've been told Rivets are pretty good but haven't ridden on myself. The opinion comes from a guy who rents high end bikes to fussy customers, and he's found his clients who don't bring their own saddle don't complain about the Rivets. dougP On Saturday, October 4, 2014 5:33:18 AM UTC-7, alan lavine wrote: I've been an avid recreational cyclist for over 30 yrs, and have made numerous adjustments to compensate for aging (I'm now 65). These have included larger frames, higher handlebars, wider more supple tires, lower gears, etc. I'm slower and less aggressive in my riding style and now do credit card rather than self-contained touring. Still. I'm more fit and slim than most of my peers, and still enjoy whatever riding I can do. But now the unthinkable has happened.my beloved Brooks saddles are hurting my butt! I don't have much padding there to begin with, but never have had saddle problems before. I'm guessing its because of a more upright riding position dictated by lower back and neck issues. I'd be crushed if I had to move away from leather saddleswell, maybe not crushed, but disappointed. Any ideas or suggestions from the group? Please don't mention recumbents, as that's really my last resort option and I'm not there yet. Best, Alan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: baby boomer blues
Or try the B17 if you're currently running a Professional, Swift, or other narrow saddle. Basically whichever Brooks you currently have, go to the next wider model and see if that works better (conventional wisdom says it should). Cheers, David it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 9:50 PM, Ron Mc bulldog...@gmail.com wrote: Riding regularly on Brooks B17 (semi-upright moustache cockpit) and both Selle AnAtomica and Rivet Indy on my drop-bar go-fast, my broken in B17 Special is still the coziest. My AnAtomica never stopped stretching, and replacing it with the Rivet worked out better in the long-run (the Rivet settled in and quit stretching). We've heard from some on the forum who don't like the B17 and found the Rivet Pearl worked for them. I agree on a fully upright bike, Brooks B67 (bigger) or B72 (biggest) is the way to go. The B68 has been discontinued. You'd likely also have to drop the seat post a bit or these wide saddles will rub your thighs. On Saturday, October 4, 2014 10:36:11 PM UTC-5, dougP wrote: Alan: I've used Brooks B17 for a number of years, and found there is noticeable variation in comfort from saddle to saddle. Hey, not all cows are alike! My strategy is to put the most comfortable one on my Atlantis, as that's the bike I'll do longer rides on, the next one on another bike that's not as demanding, and my crummy one (ruined by rain neglect) on my utility bike. Of course, this assumes you have at least one Brooks that's comfortable for your longest time in the saddle. If they're all uncomfortable, maybe time for a change. I've been told Rivets are pretty good but haven't ridden on myself. The opinion comes from a guy who rents high end bikes to fussy customers, and he's found his clients who don't bring their own saddle don't complain about the Rivets. dougP On Saturday, October 4, 2014 5:33:18 AM UTC-7, alan lavine wrote: I've been an avid recreational cyclist for over 30 yrs, and have made numerous adjustments to compensate for aging (I'm now 65). These have included larger frames, higher handlebars, wider more supple tires, lower gears, etc. I'm slower and less aggressive in my riding style and now do credit card rather than self-contained touring. Still. I'm more fit and slim than most of my peers, and still enjoy whatever riding I can do. But now the unthinkable has happened.my beloved Brooks saddles are hurting my butt! I don't have much padding there to begin with, but never have had saddle problems before. I'm guessing its because of a more upright riding position dictated by lower back and neck issues. I'd be crushed if I had to move away from leather saddleswell, maybe not crushed, but disappointed. Any ideas or suggestions from the group? Please don't mention recumbents, as that's really my last resort option and I'm not there yet. Best, Alan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
