[RBW] Re: bailey works bags and nahbs
In any event, the Dominguez Rando clearly has curved fork blades. On Feb 28, 10:43 pm, Ken Freeman kenfreeman...@gmail.com wrote: To make this comparison you'd have to make the two forks of identical crowns, steer tubes, and the same headsets. Flex involves those parts as well as the blade. On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 4:42 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Sun, 2010-02-28 at 11:43 -0800, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: I don't believe that it's necessarily true that a curved fork will have a softer ride than an equally raked straight fork with the same blades. If there is some difference, I bet it's tiny. Unless you're using a rock-hard tire, it's hard to imagine that the fork would flex much at all. You might very well think so, and yet the BQ article showed otherwise. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2Bunsubscrib e...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Ken Freeman Ann Arbor, MI USA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: bailey works bags and nahbs
On Sun, 2010-02-28 at 23:43 -0500, Ken Freeman wrote: To make this comparison you'd have to make the two forks of identical crowns, steer tubes, and the same headsets. Flex involves those parts as well as the blade. Did you read the BQ article? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: bailey works bags and nahbs
No. On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 7:44 AM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Sun, 2010-02-28 at 23:43 -0500, Ken Freeman wrote: To make this comparison you'd have to make the two forks of identical crowns, steer tubes, and the same headsets. Flex involves those parts as well as the blade. Did you read the BQ article? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Ken Freeman Ann Arbor, MI USA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: bailey works bags and nahbs
I think the answer is yes, the force due to a bump universally tends to flex a bent fork tube. Ditto that it it tends more strictly to compress a straight one. But is the difference really big enough to be universally discernible? Clearly Jan thinks that for highly bent forks it is significant. On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 11:46 AM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: Do they really not flex as well, despite the offset at the crown and if they are properly tapered? I haven't noticed any difference in the two straight bladed forks I've used, tires being similar to those ridden on curved-leg forks. IOW: is it universally true that a well designed straight blade fork will eo ipso transfer bumps more directly than a well designed curved blade fork? I'm asking, not denying. Patrick Moore, who wouldn't want a straight fork with Rivendell crown, but who rather likes the look of straight blades with spare, James-type lugs on a stripped down gofast bike. On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 8:03 AM, newenglandbike matthiasbe...@gmail.comwrote: Not commenting on the builder in question, but on straight-blade forks in general: it seems as though the reasoning behind blades with a low, uniform bend has been largely forgotten(?) Straight-blades seem to be really popular right now, but I wonder if it's only a matter of time before the buying public realizes that they transfer bumps directly to your wrists, and that well-curved blades are more comfortable. I understand why big-name, big volume manufacturers use straight- blades, since they are cheaper to make.But on custom/handbuilt- bicycles it doesn't seem to jibe. On Feb 28, 9:07 am, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: I saw his bikes at nahbs, too. I noticed that my visceral response to straight-blade forks is fairly negative. The bike feels unfinished to me. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com (505) 227-0523 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Ken Freeman Ann Arbor, MI USA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: bailey works bags and nahbs
I took another look at the article last night, and this is an (approximate) summary of what's in it: In the test, two of the forks compared had equivalent offsets and tubing, but one had a much lower, tighter bend than the other.The one with the much lower bend had much more flex or 'vertical compliance'.There was another fork of identical tubing but with a greater offset, and this one had significantly larger flex/compliance. There was also an Alex Singer fork in the comparison, which IIRC had a large offset and a lower bend, so that the angle of the blade was shallowest at the dropouts. Heine stated that the fork had been specifically designed to be very strong near the crown, with uniform diameter/thickness elliptical-cross-section tubing all the way from the crown to the cantilever bosses. The reasoning for the design was because fork blades most commonly break near the crown, so they were made extra-strong there. Below the bosses, the fork gradually takes on a circular cross-section and smaller diameter all the way to the bend, which has a small radius and starts low on the fork. The Alex Singer fork had the most absorption of any of the forks tested. The Alex Singer fork looked something like this: http://www.vintagebicyclepress.com/images/chromsing.jpg As for how valuable the flex characteristics of a fork are in how a bike rides, I have no idea- but my point was that the bicycles NAHBS are supposed to represent the best designs, so it just seemed odd to me to have a straight-blade fork there (not that the Dominguez bike had straight forks, which it didn't as pointed out above) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: bailey works bags and nahbs
I took another look at the article last night, and this is an (approximate) summary of what's in it: In the test, two of the forks compared had equivalent offsets and tubing, but one had a much lower, tighter bend than the other.The one with the much lower bend had much more flex or 'vertical compliance'.There was another fork of identical tubing but with a greater offset, and this one had significantly larger flex/compliance. There was also an Alex Singer fork in the comparison, which IIRC had a large offset and a lower bend, so that the angle of the blade was shallowest at the dropouts. Heine stated that the fork had been specifically designed to be very strong near the crown, with uniform diameter/thickness elliptical-cross-section tubing all the way from the crown to the cantilever bosses. The reasoning for the design was because fork blades most commonly break near the crown, so they were made extra-strong there. Below the bosses, the fork gradually takes on a circular cross-section and smaller diameter all the way to the bend, which has a small radius and starts low on the fork. The Alex Singer fork had the most absorption of any of the forks tested. The Alex Singer fork looked something like this: http://www.vintagebicyclepress.com/images/chromsing.jpg As for exactly how important the flex characteristics of a fork are in how a bike rides, I have no idea- but my point was that, assuming shock absorption is important, and that the bicycles NAHBS are supposed to represent the best designs, it just seemed odd to me to have a straight-blade fork there (not that the Dominguez bike had straight forks, which it didn't as pointed out above) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: bailey works bags and nahbs
On Mon, 2010-03-01 at 10:06 -0800, newenglandbike wrote: I took another look at the article last night, and this is an (approximate) summary of what's in it: In the test, two of the forks compared had equivalent offsets and tubing, but one had a much lower, tighter bend than the other.The one with the much lower bend had much more flex or 'vertical compliance'.There was another fork of identical tubing but with a greater offset, and this one had significantly larger flex/compliance. There was also an Alex Singer fork in the comparison, which IIRC had a large offset and a lower bend, so that the angle of the blade was shallowest at the dropouts. Heine stated that the fork had been specifically designed to be very strong near the crown, with uniform diameter/thickness elliptical-cross-section tubing all the way from the crown to the cantilever bosses. The reasoning for the design was because fork blades most commonly break near the crown, so they were made extra-strong there. Below the bosses, the fork gradually takes on a circular cross-section and smaller diameter all the way to the bend, which has a small radius and starts low on the fork. The Alex Singer fork had the most absorption of any of the forks tested. The Alex Singer fork looked something like this: http://www.vintagebicyclepress.com/images/chromsing.jpg As for exactly how important the flex characteristics of a fork are in how a bike rides, I have no idea- but my point was that, assuming shock absorption is important, and that the bicycles NAHBS are supposed to represent the best designs, it just seemed odd to me to have a straight-blade fork there (not that the Dominguez bike had straight forks, which it didn't as pointed out above) The problem is the assumption that the bicycles at NAHBS are supposed to represent the best designs. The bicycles shown at NAHBS are supposed to showcase the builder's skills at building the sort of bikes he wants to build and sell, and they reflect the builder's preferences as well as those of their preferred customers. Although they always look weird to me, as though the bikes had been on a roof rack when they were driven into the garage, there are plenty of customers (and builders, too) who like the look of straight blade forks. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: bailey works bags and nahbs
Starting to notice a few more of Brad's bikes here in the Twin Cities. There are probably more, but I'm not part of any in crowd. Jim from Hiawatha (Riv dealer = Riv content) went out to the show. Hopefully he'll have a nice long report after returning. Another builder from up your way, Dominguez Cycle, has a real tasteful Rando at the show. Not so fab as some of the other bikes so not in as many of the photo collections. Maybe Jim will have some pictures. On Feb 27, 7:22 pm, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote: That actually surprised me a bit. His girlfriend was going to be making bags. (She already makes hats and possibly other recycled clothing.) And I think he's sewn a few himself. Starting to notice a few more of Brad's bikes here in the Twin Cities. There are probably more, but I'm not part of any in crowd. Jim from Hiawatha (Riv dealer = Riv content) went out to the show. Hopefully he'll have a nice long report after returning. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Feb 27, 9:11 am, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: ohhh mann... that Capricorn is very nice. Brad Wilson is a young builder to watch. His designs are practical yet very sophisticated. Great presence of mind for a fairly new shop to reach out to a well established company like Bailey to make a matching bag for his racks. On Feb 26, 10:53 pm, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote: ohhh mann... that Capricorn is very nice. would have loved to be there... maybe next year will be closer. how much is the bag? I don't see it on their website. Mike So Cal ( waiting for San Diego show in April) On Feb 26, 8:37 pm, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: I was at nahbs today in richmond and I spent a little time talking to the folks at bailey works bags. They're made in portsmouth, nh but they make nice, cordura bags of various kinds. They have a bag they call their d-rack bag which is made for the nitto mini rack or mark's rack, I think. I ordered one in navy blue and I'll post a picture of it when it comes in - but I just wanted to mention it b/c so many folks on here I know of have that small front rack. The bag they have is a little smaller than the little loafer and looks perfect for carrying a snack, tool kit, tube, etc. If you want to see a nice selection of bike pr0n. I can recommend the photo set from my partner: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ejchang/sets/72157623517131582/ -sv- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: bailey works bags and nahbs
On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 9:03 AM, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Starting to notice a few more of Brad's bikes here in the Twin Cities. There are probably more, but I'm not part of any in crowd. Jim from Hiawatha (Riv dealer = Riv content) went out to the show. Hopefully he'll have a nice long report after returning. Another builder from up your way, Dominguez Cycle, has a real tasteful Rando at the show. Not so fab as some of the other bikes so not in as many of the photo collections. Maybe Jim will have some pictures. I saw his bikes at nahbs, too. I noticed that my visceral response to straight-blade forks is fairly negative. The bike feels unfinished to me. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: bailey works bags and nahbs
Not commenting on the builder in question, but on straight-blade forks in general: it seems as though the reasoning behind blades with a low, uniform bend has been largely forgotten(?) Straight-blades seem to be really popular right now, but I wonder if it's only a matter of time before the buying public realizes that they transfer bumps directly to your wrists, and that well-curved blades are more comfortable. I understand why big-name, big volume manufacturers use straight- blades, since they are cheaper to make.But on custom/handbuilt- bicycles it doesn't seem to jibe. On Feb 28, 9:07 am, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: I saw his bikes at nahbs, too. I noticed that my visceral response to straight-blade forks is fairly negative. The bike feels unfinished to me. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: bailey works bags and nahbs
On Feb 28, 2010, at 8:03 AM, JoelMatthews wrote: Starting to notice a few more of Brad's bikes here in the Twin Cities. There are probably more, but I'm not part of any in crowd. Jim from Hiawatha (Riv dealer = Riv content) went out to the show. Hopefully he'll have a nice long report after returning. Another builder from up your way, Dominguez Cycle, has a real tasteful Rando at the show. Not so fab as some of the other bikes so not in as many of the photo collections. Maybe Jim will have some pictures. I've ridden with Vincent a few times and he's a very nice guy. He has been a fixed-gear rider for many years, long before it became hip and even attempted my way-too-hilly and horribly windy, wet and cold 200K brevet in 2005 on his fixed gear. http://www2.bitstream.net/~timmcn/brevets-2005-2.html Vincent has continued to ride brevets so I am sure his ranndonneur is built based on those experiences. The bike he had at the show might be his personal ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: bailey works bags and nahbs
Do they really not flex as well, despite the offset at the crown and if they are properly tapered? I haven't noticed any difference in the two straight bladed forks I've used, tires being similar to those ridden on curved-leg forks. IOW: is it universally true that a well designed straight blade fork will eo ipso transfer bumps more directly than a well designed curved blade fork? I'm asking, not denying. Patrick Moore, who wouldn't want a straight fork with Rivendell crown, but who rather likes the look of straight blades with spare, James-type lugs on a stripped down gofast bike. On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 8:03 AM, newenglandbike matthiasbe...@gmail.comwrote: Not commenting on the builder in question, but on straight-blade forks in general: it seems as though the reasoning behind blades with a low, uniform bend has been largely forgotten(?) Straight-blades seem to be really popular right now, but I wonder if it's only a matter of time before the buying public realizes that they transfer bumps directly to your wrists, and that well-curved blades are more comfortable. I understand why big-name, big volume manufacturers use straight- blades, since they are cheaper to make.But on custom/handbuilt- bicycles it doesn't seem to jibe. On Feb 28, 9:07 am, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: I saw his bikes at nahbs, too. I noticed that my visceral response to straight-blade forks is fairly negative. The bike feels unfinished to me. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com (505) 227-0523 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: bailey works bags and nahbs
Thanks for the pictures. I was at NAHBBS yesterday also. For my money the most impressive bike on the floor was the work of the young guy from Pa (Helm). Stunning workmanship on the randonneur. Lots of well-thought-out details. All internal routing through brass tubes. I was afraid to ask how much. G On Feb 26, 11:37 pm, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: I was at nahbs today in richmond and I spent a little time talking to the folks at bailey works bags. They're made in portsmouth, nh but they make nice, cordura bags of various kinds. They have a bag they call their d-rack bag which is made for the nitto mini rack or mark's rack, I think. I ordered one in navy blue and I'll post a picture of it when it comes in - but I just wanted to mention it b/c so many folks on here I know of have that small front rack. The bag they have is a little smaller than the little loafer and looks perfect for carrying a snack, tool kit, tube, etc. If you want to see a nice selection of bike pr0n. I can recommend the photo set from my partner: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ejchang/sets/72157623517131582/ -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: bailey works bags and nahbs
On Feb 28, 2010, at 10:46 AM, PATRICK MOORE wrote: Do they really not flex as well, despite the offset at the crown and if they are properly tapered? I haven't noticed any difference in the two straight bladed forks I've used, tires being similar to those ridden on curved-leg forks. IOW: is it universally true that a well designed straight blade fork will eo ipso transfer bumps more directly than a well designed curved blade fork? I'm asking, not denying. Jan Heine has been making the point about curved forks flexing and absorbing some of the road vibrations and maybe bumps too. He's made an effort to quantify the flex by measuring it under static load, and also by comparing a suspension fork, an Alex Singer fork and a rigid Trek fork over smooth and rough pavement using a Tune PowerTap hub to measure the power necessary to maintain speed. His findings did suggest that a curved flexible fork (like the Alex Singer with a low curve and a large offset) did provide a measurable benefit. However, the comparison rigid fork was not a small-diameter steel road fork like we're talking about with Vincent's bike and as used by other builders too. That would be an interesting comparison and if someone wanted to send a fork like that to Jan he'd probably test it against the Singer fork. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: bailey works bags and nahbs
I don't believe that it's necessarily true that a curved fork will have a softer ride than an equally raked straight fork with the same blades. If there is some difference, I bet it's tiny. Unless you're using a rock-hard tire, it's hard to imagine that the fork would flex much at all. On Feb 28, 10:03 am, newenglandbike matthiasbe...@gmail.com wrote: Not commenting on the builder in question, but on straight-blade forks in general: it seems as though the reasoning behind blades with a low, uniform bend has been largely forgotten(?) Straight-blades seem to be really popular right now, but I wonder if it's only a matter of time before the buying public realizes that they transfer bumps directly to your wrists, and that well-curved blades are more comfortable. I understand why big-name, big volume manufacturers use straight- blades, since they are cheaper to make. But on custom/handbuilt- bicycles it doesn't seem to jibe. On Feb 28, 9:07 am, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: I saw his bikes at nahbs, too. I noticed that my visceral response to straight-blade forks is fairly negative. The bike feels unfinished to me. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: bailey works bags and nahbs
Yeah there was a pretty cool article about it in Bicycle Quarterly: http://www.vintagebicyclepress.com/BQ63.html On Feb 28, 12:38 pm, Tim McNamara tim...@bitstream.net wrote: On Feb 28, 2010, at 10:46 AM, PATRICK MOORE wrote: Do they really not flex as well, despite the offset at the crown and if they are properly tapered? I haven't noticed any difference in the two straight bladed forks I've used, tires being similar to those ridden on curved-leg forks. IOW: is it universally true that a well designed straight blade fork will eo ipso transfer bumps more directly than a well designed curved blade fork? I'm asking, not denying. Jan Heine has been making the point about curved forks flexing and absorbing some of the road vibrations and maybe bumps too. He's made an effort to quantify the flex by measuring it under static load, and also by comparing a suspension fork, an Alex Singer fork and a rigid Trek fork over smooth and rough pavement using a Tune PowerTap hub to measure the power necessary to maintain speed. His findings did suggest that a curved flexible fork (like the Alex Singer with a low curve and a large offset) did provide a measurable benefit. However, the comparison rigid fork was not a small-diameter steel road fork like we're talking about with Vincent's bike and as used by other builders too. That would be an interesting comparison and if someone wanted to send a fork like that to Jan he'd probably test it against the Singer fork. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: bailey works bags and nahbs
On Sun, 2010-02-28 at 11:43 -0800, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: I don't believe that it's necessarily true that a curved fork will have a softer ride than an equally raked straight fork with the same blades. If there is some difference, I bet it's tiny. Unless you're using a rock-hard tire, it's hard to imagine that the fork would flex much at all. You might very well think so, and yet the BQ article showed otherwise. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: bailey works bags and nahbs
Thanks for all the wonderful photo. I was smitten by Jan Hein's tandem. I have a Bilenkey custom tandem that will look remarkably similar. Looks like Jan has 650B wheels and I went with 26. Ours will have SS couplers, a custom ( Marks rack) in English Racing Green. It's being built up now; pictures asap. Michael On Feb 26, 11:37 pm, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: I was at nahbs today in richmond and I spent a little time talking to the folks at bailey works bags. They're made in portsmouth, nh but they make nice, cordura bags of various kinds. They have a bag they call their d-rack bag which is made for the nitto mini rack or mark's rack, I think. I ordered one in navy blue and I'll post a picture of it when it comes in - but I just wanted to mention it b/c so many folks on here I know of have that small front rack. The bag they have is a little smaller than the little loafer and looks perfect for carrying a snack, tool kit, tube, etc. If you want to see a nice selection of bike pr0n. I can recommend the photo set from my partner: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ejchang/sets/72157623517131582/ -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: bailey works bags and nahbs
To make this comparison you'd have to make the two forks of identical crowns, steer tubes, and the same headsets. Flex involves those parts as well as the blade. On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 4:42 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Sun, 2010-02-28 at 11:43 -0800, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: I don't believe that it's necessarily true that a curved fork will have a softer ride than an equally raked straight fork with the same blades. If there is some difference, I bet it's tiny. Unless you're using a rock-hard tire, it's hard to imagine that the fork would flex much at all. You might very well think so, and yet the BQ article showed otherwise. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Ken Freeman Ann Arbor, MI USA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: bailey works bags and nahbs
ohhh mann... that Capricorn is very nice. Brad Wilson is a young builder to watch. His designs are practical yet very sophisticated. Great presence of mind for a fairly new shop to reach out to a well established company like Bailey to make a matching bag for his racks. On Feb 26, 10:53 pm, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote: ohhh mann... that Capricorn is very nice. would have loved to be there... maybe next year will be closer. how much is the bag? I don't see it on their website. Mike So Cal ( waiting for San Diego show in April) On Feb 26, 8:37 pm, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: I was at nahbs today in richmond and I spent a little time talking to the folks at bailey works bags. They're made in portsmouth, nh but they make nice, cordura bags of various kinds. They have a bag they call their d-rack bag which is made for the nitto mini rack or mark's rack, I think. I ordered one in navy blue and I'll post a picture of it when it comes in - but I just wanted to mention it b/c so many folks on here I know of have that small front rack. The bag they have is a little smaller than the little loafer and looks perfect for carrying a snack, tool kit, tube, etc. If you want to see a nice selection of bike pr0n. I can recommend the photo set from my partner: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ejchang/sets/72157623517131582/ -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: bailey works bags and nahbs
That actually surprised me a bit. His girlfriend was going to be making bags. (She already makes hats and possibly other recycled clothing.) And I think he's sewn a few himself. Starting to notice a few more of Brad's bikes here in the Twin Cities. There are probably more, but I'm not part of any in crowd. Jim from Hiawatha (Riv dealer = Riv content) went out to the show. Hopefully he'll have a nice long report after returning. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Feb 27, 9:11�am, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: ohhh mann... that Capricorn is very nice. Brad Wilson is a young builder to watch. �His designs are practical yet very sophisticated. �Great presence of mind for a fairly new shop to reach out to a well established company like Bailey to make a matching bag for his racks. On Feb 26, 10:53�pm, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote: ohhh mann... that Capricorn is very nice. would have loved to be there... maybe next year will be closer. how much is the bag? �I don't see it on their website. Mike So Cal ( waiting for San Diego show in April) On Feb 26, 8:37�pm, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: I was at nahbs today in richmond and I spent a little time talking to the folks at bailey works bags. They're made in portsmouth, nh but they make nice, cordura bags of various kinds. They have a bag they call their d-rack bag which is made for the nitto mini rack or mark's rack, I think. I ordered one in navy blue and I'll post a picture of it when it comes in - �but I just wanted to mention it b/c so many folks on here I know of have that small front rack. The bag they have is a little smaller than the little loafer and looks perfect for carrying a snack, tool kit, tube, etc. If you want to see a nice selection of bike pr0n. I can recommend the photo set from my partner: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ejchang/sets/72157623517131582/ -sv- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: bailey works bags and nahbs
On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 8:30 PM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Those Poka chainguards are what caught my eye! the headbadges from Poka are what impress me... For a bike w/o a headbadge I cannot think of anyone else I would want to look at. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: bailey works bags and nahbs
All my bikes have nice headbadges already :-) On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 7:14 PM, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 8:30 PM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Those Poka chainguards are what caught my eye! the headbadges from Poka are what impress me... For a bike w/o a headbadge I cannot think of anyone else I would want to look at. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: bailey works bags and nahbs
On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 10:25 PM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: All my bikes have nice headbadges already :-) I know - but there are sad bicycles who don't have headbadges on their own. poor, unloved bicycles. but you can adopt one and give it a proper headbadge. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: bailey works bags and nahbs
I actually have an itch to get one that looks like this: http://www.flickr.com/photos/brianwickman/316243850/ On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 7:29 PM, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 10:25 PM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: All my bikes have nice headbadges already :-) I know - but there are sad bicycles who don't have headbadges on their own. poor, unloved bicycles. but you can adopt one and give it a proper headbadge. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: bailey works bags and nahbs
On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 10:31 PM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: I actually have an itch to get one that looks like this: http://www.flickr.com/photos/brianwickman/316243850/ If anyone is interested by photog partner has posted more nahbs pictures today: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ejchang/4393289845/in/set-72157623517131582/ -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: bailey works bags and nahbs
ohhh mann... that Capricorn is very nice. would have loved to be there... maybe next year will be closer. how much is the bag? I don't see it on their website. Mike So Cal ( waiting for San Diego show in April) On Feb 26, 8:37 pm, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: I was at nahbs today in richmond and I spent a little time talking to the folks at bailey works bags. They're made in portsmouth, nh but they make nice, cordura bags of various kinds. They have a bag they call their d-rack bag which is made for the nitto mini rack or mark's rack, I think. I ordered one in navy blue and I'll post a picture of it when it comes in - but I just wanted to mention it b/c so many folks on here I know of have that small front rack. The bag they have is a little smaller than the little loafer and looks perfect for carrying a snack, tool kit, tube, etc. If you want to see a nice selection of bike pr0n. I can recommend the photo set from my partner: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ejchang/sets/72157623517131582/ -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: bailey works bags and nahbs
On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 11:53 PM, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote: ohhh mann... that Capricorn is very nice. would have loved to be there... maybe next year will be closer. how much is the bag? I don't see it on their website. $95 I'll post pictures when it shows up. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
