[RBW] Re: first impressions of Atlantis

[Clark Fitzgerald]

This is a follow up after a couple more weeks of riding.

My other bikes are a tandem and a 94 Specialized Hard Rock with 2.3" Rene 
Herse RTP tires and nice handlebars. It's a great bike that I lock outside 
and use for errands. I took this bike out on the same route that I've been 
riding my new Atlantis, and was surprised how much I preferred the ride of 
the Atlantis. Compared to the other bike, the Atlantis is much smoother on 
bumpy terrain, seems to keep up the momentum better, moves less when I 
pedal, and requires more leaning to turn. Both bikes weigh about the same, 
and are the same speed (15 mph) on the section I measured.

I thought I was buying a Rivendell for the aesthetics. I was pleasantly 
surprised that the ride was so much better.


On Tuesday, April 7, 2020 at 9:39:39 PM UTC-7, Clark Fitzgerald wrote:
>
> I've had my new Atlantis for one week now, and have taken it on one 4 hour 
> ride and one quick overnight trip. It's my first Rivendell, and I'm very 
> happy with it. It's the quintessential "All-Rounder", and I plan to use it 
> for anything and everything, for a very long time. Photos 
> 
> .
>
> My original order was for a Susie Longbolts, the "Hillibike". In fantasy 
> land I ride my bike on high alpine singletrack all day long. The Hillibike 
> would be great for that. In reality, I have little time for those kinds of 
> grand adventures. My day to day adventures are more modest in scale. I tow 
> my kids, ride my bike on bike paths, smooth urban singletrack, gravel 
> roads, with at least 50% pavement. The terrain is similar to Walnut Creek. 
> I know that if I got something with big knobby tires, then I would not be 
> so happy on the pavement.
>
> Will at Rivendell changed my order over to the Atlantis. He's a nice guy. 
> The frame is a 59cm, with the rainbow double top tube. It's unique and 
> beautiful. I had some nitpicks about details on the Susie Longbolts, but 
> the Atlantis is Rivendell design and details at its finest.
>
> I'm 6'1", and my PBH is 89 cm, which puts me right on the edge of fitting 
> this bike. It's a big bike. I noticed it more when I had it fully loaded, 
> because I have to do a roundhouse kick like Chuck Norris to get my leg over 
> my sleeping pad that's on top of the saddle bag.
>
> This is my first time using the saddle bag, and it has been great. I 
> thought the thigh rubbing would bother me, but it doesn't. I do need a 
> kickstand to tour with it though. It's no fun to dig through everything in 
> the saddlebag while the bike is laid on it's side in the dark.
>
> The ride is smooth and stable. I passed a group of hikers while climbing 
> some steep singletrack, and got some comments like, "I can't believe you're 
> riding this hill on that bike." Don't let the non racy looks deceive you, 
> this bike climbs better than any bike I've been on, both loaded and 
> unloaded. It reminds me of a tractor on the steep hills. Just put it in low 
> gear, sit down, and spin. 
>
> After the 4 hour ride my body felt fine, which surprised me, given that I 
> haven't been on a long ride in months. On any of my other bikes I've owned 
> I would be hurting after a ride that long. I credit the relaxed position. 
> It invites one to unwind, take in the sights, and see where those side 
> trails lead to.
>

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[RBW] Re: first impressions of Atlantis

[Clark Fitzgerald]

John

I believe it climbs better because the long chainstays distribute more 
weight on the front wheel. The front wheel tracks straight, and stays down. 
Adding 5 pounds of gear weight to the front rack also improved this 
feeling. In contrast, on many other bikes I've found that in steep climbs 
(for example, some Bay Area fire roads) the front end will pop up or wander 
all over. 

I have my Brooks saddle adjusted all the way forward in the clamp, FWIW.


On Monday, April 13, 2020 at 7:35:11 PM UTC-7, John Hawrylak wrote:
>
> Clark
>
> Great report and a very nice build from the photos.  You mentioned the 
> Atlantis climbs better than your other bikes.  Any ideas or reasons why 
> this is so??
>
> I noticed all MIT Atlantis have a 72° STA and with your 89cm PBH, a 1° 
> slacker STA (from 73° to 72°) results in a 1.3cm increase in saddle setback.
>
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
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[RBW] Re: first impressions of Atlantis

['John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Clark

Great report and a very nice build from the photos.  You mentioned the 
Atlantis climbs better than your other bikes.  Any ideas or reasons why 
this is so??

I noticed all MIT Atlantis have a 72° STA and with your 89cm PBH, a 1° 
slacker STA (from 73° to 72°) results in a 1.3cm increase in saddle setback.

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

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Re: [RBW] Re: first impressions of Atlantis

[Patrick Moore]

Good to know, thanks.. Not that I really need to worry at this point, since
I've built up a small stash of the Big Ones; and they seem to wear quite
well for tires that are so very light (for their size: 450 grams in a 700C
X true 60???!!!).

On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 8:03 AM Robert Tilley  wrote:

> I put 27.5 G-One's on a recent tandem build. I only have a couple of
> shakedown rides on it so far but I have been very happy with how the
> G-One's roll on pavement. I'm not feeling much resistance at all but it's
> tough to compare to other tires since a tandem riding experience has so
> many other differences to the singles I'm used to riding.
>
> My intended use for this bike is for mixed terrain use so it will see
> off-road use. I hope to get the G-One's on dirt once the rain stops and the
> trails dry out. And the trails open again...
>
> Robert Tilley
> San Diego, CA
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>
> I on the contrary will be interested to hear how the G-Ones roll on
> pavement. I've got a stash of the predecessor Big Ones -- these have even
> smaller "knobs" -- "knoblets" is a better word -- but in the event that I
> live long enough to outlast my stash, I wonder if the G-One replacement
> will roll as unresistedly on pavement and firm dirt as its predecessor,
> which, I read, was reported by Schwalbe to be its *fastest rolling tire
> in the entire product line,* not excluding road racing tires, after it
> first appeared on the market.
>
> I've designed the Matthews to feel as much like a fast road bike on
> pavement while still accommodating our silty riverine bosque sand; this
> means almost 30" tall 60 mm tires with largely road tread run at low
> pressures. The Big Ones shine at this -- note again, road bias, so I accept
> loss of dirt traction for road speed. I wonder if those G Ones might give a
> bit more grip on dirt while remaining fast on pavement.
>
> On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 10:20 AM Michael Cinibulk 
> wrote:
>
>> I’d be interested in hearing more about how the G-One Allrounds do off
>> road and what kind of trails you ride.
>>
>> I’ve been thinking of putting them on my Jones SWB since I ride quite a
>> bit on road and rarely ride on trails when they are muddy and don’t feel
>> like knobbies are really needed for the riding I do.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> MikeC
>> Bellbrook OH
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Re: [RBW] Re: first impressions of Atlantis

[Robert Tilley]

  I put 27.5 G-One's on a recent tandem build. I only have a couple of shakedown rides on it so far but I have been very happy with how the G-One's roll on pavement. I'm not feeling much resistance at all but it's tough to compare to other tires since a tandem riding experience has so many other differences to the singles I'm used to riding.My intended use for this bike is for mixed terrain use so it will see off-road use. I hope to get the G-One's on dirt once the rain stops and the trails dry out. And the trails open again...Robert TilleySan Diego, CA Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device   From: bertin...@gmail.comSent: April 11, 2020 9:58 AMTo: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comReply-to: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: [RBW] Re: first impressions of Atlantis  I on the contrary will be interested to hear how the G-Ones roll on pavement. I've got a stash of the predecessor Big Ones -- these have even smaller "knobs" -- "knoblets" is a better word -- but in the event that I live long enough to outlast my stash, I wonder if the G-One replacement will roll as unresistedly on pavement and firm dirt as its predecessor, which, I read, was reported by Schwalbe to be its fastest rolling tire in the entire product line, not excluding road racing tires, after it first appeared on the market.I've designed the Matthews to feel as much like a fast road bike on pavement while still accommodating our silty riverine bosque sand; this means almost 30" tall 60 mm tires with largely road tread run at low pressures. The Big Ones shine at this -- note again, road bias, so I accept loss of dirt traction for road speed. I wonder if those G Ones might give a bit more grip on dirt while remaining fast on pavement.On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 10:20 AM Michael Cinibulk <mkcinib...@gmail.com> wrote:I’d be interested in hearing more about how the G-One Allrounds do off road and what kind of trails you ride. 

I’ve been thinking of putting them on my Jones SWB since I ride quite a bit on road and rarely ride on trails when they are muddy and don’t feel like knobbies are really needed for the riding I do. 

Thanks,
MikeC
Bellbrook OH

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Re: [RBW] Re: first impressions of Atlantis

[Clark Fitzgerald]

MikeC- I ride mostly gravel, fire roads, and mellow singletrack. They don't
have much bite cornering in the loose stuff, as I've discovered with a
couple low speed crashes. They did very well on loose, steep climbs, but
some of that may be attributed to the frame with long chainstays and super
low gearing (16.5 gear inches at the bottom end!) I'm still getting used to
it all, but I wouldn't switch tires. I think they'd be a great choice for a
Jones SWB- I came pretty close to buying one of those too, instead of the
Atlantis.

Patrick- The G-Ones do seem to grip a bit more in the dirt than my Compass
Rat Trap Pass, a similar sized tire without tread. I'm about 2-3 mph slower
than I would be on a road bike, but much of that likely comes from my more
upright position on the Atlantis. Unlike real knobbies, the G-Ones never
felt slow, buzzy, or squirmy on pavement, which is all I wanted. I've been
experimenting with pressures, ranging from 19-25 psi.

On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 9:58 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> I on the contrary will be interested to hear how the G-Ones roll on
> pavement. I've got a stash of the predecessor Big Ones -- these have even
> smaller "knobs" -- "knoblets" is a better word -- but in the event that I
> live long enough to outlast my stash, I wonder if the G-One replacement
> will roll as unresistedly on pavement and firm dirt as its predecessor,
> which, I read, was reported by Schwalbe to be its *fastest rolling tire
> in the entire product line,* not excluding road racing tires, after it
> first appeared on the market.
>
> I've designed the Matthews to feel as much like a fast road bike on
> pavement while still accommodating our silty riverine bosque sand; this
> means almost 30" tall 60 mm tires with largely road tread run at low
> pressures. The Big Ones shine at this -- note again, road bias, so I accept
> loss of dirt traction for road speed. I wonder if those G Ones might give a
> bit more grip on dirt while remaining fast on pavement.
>
> On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 10:20 AM Michael Cinibulk 
> wrote:
>
>> I’d be interested in hearing more about how the G-One Allrounds do off
>> road and what kind of trails you ride.
>>
>> I’ve been thinking of putting them on my Jones SWB since I ride quite a
>> bit on road and rarely ride on trails when they are muddy and don’t feel
>> like knobbies are really needed for the riding I do.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> MikeC
>> Bellbrook OH
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Re: [RBW] Re: first impressions of Atlantis

[Patrick Moore]

I on the contrary will be interested to hear how the G-Ones roll on
pavement. I've got a stash of the predecessor Big Ones -- these have even
smaller "knobs" -- "knoblets" is a better word -- but in the event that I
live long enough to outlast my stash, I wonder if the G-One replacement
will roll as unresistedly on pavement and firm dirt as its predecessor,
which, I read, was reported by Schwalbe to be its *fastest rolling tire in
the entire product line,* not excluding road racing tires, after it first
appeared on the market.

I've designed the Matthews to feel as much like a fast road bike on
pavement while still accommodating our silty riverine bosque sand; this
means almost 30" tall 60 mm tires with largely road tread run at low
pressures. The Big Ones shine at this -- note again, road bias, so I accept
loss of dirt traction for road speed. I wonder if those G Ones might give a
bit more grip on dirt while remaining fast on pavement.

On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 10:20 AM Michael Cinibulk 
wrote:

> I’d be interested in hearing more about how the G-One Allrounds do off
> road and what kind of trails you ride.
>
> I’ve been thinking of putting them on my Jones SWB since I ride quite a
> bit on road and rarely ride on trails when they are muddy and don’t feel
> like knobbies are really needed for the riding I do.
>
> Thanks,
> MikeC
> Bellbrook OH
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[RBW] Re: first impressions of Atlantis

[Michael Cinibulk]

I’d be interested in hearing more about how the G-One Allrounds do off road and 
what kind of trails you ride. 

I’ve been thinking of putting them on my Jones SWB since I ride quite a bit on 
road and rarely ride on trails when they are muddy and don’t feel like knobbies 
are really needed for the riding I do. 

Thanks,
MikeC
Bellbrook OH

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[RBW] Re: first impressions of Atlantis

[Clark Fitzgerald]

The other build highlight is the Schwalbe G-Ones, 29 x 2.25. They are the 
perfect tire for an Allrounder build- at home on road, trails, and gravel.

On Friday, April 10, 2020 at 2:04:25 PM UTC-7, Clark Fitzgerald wrote:
>
> These are Rivendell Billie bars, flipped "upside down". This way they 
> remind me of a highly evolved dirt drop handlebar- I'm loving them. Last 
> night I painted my pump to match the stem and head tube, see pics.
>
> [image: IMG_0687.JPG]
>
> [image: IMG_0686.JPG]
>
>
> On Friday, April 10, 2020 at 8:27:12 AM UTC-7, Christopher Cote wrote:
>>
>> Beautiful bike! You can post pics of a build like that, however, without 
>> telling us what those bars are! 
>>
>> Chris
>>
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[RBW] Re: first impressions of Atlantis

[JohnS]

So I'm not the only one who wrestles with dream world biking and reality?

Thanks for sharing,
JohnS

On Wednesday, April 8, 2020 at 12:39:39 AM UTC-4, Clark Fitzgerald wrote:
>
> I've had my new Atlantis for one week now, and have taken it on one 4 hour 
> ride and one quick overnight trip. It's my first Rivendell, and I'm very 
> happy with it. It's the quintessential "All-Rounder", and I plan to use it 
> for anything and everything, for a very long time. Photos 
> 
> .
>
> My original order was for a Susie Longbolts, the "Hillibike". In fantasy 
> land I ride my bike on high alpine singletrack all day long. The Hillibike 
> would be great for that. In reality, I have little time for those kinds of 
> grand adventures. My day to day adventures are more modest in scale. I tow 
> my kids, ride my bike on bike paths, smooth urban singletrack, gravel 
> roads, with at least 50% pavement. The terrain is similar to Walnut Creek. 
> I know that if I got something with big knobby tires, then I would not be 
> so happy on the pavement.
>
> Will at Rivendell changed my order over to the Atlantis. He's a nice guy. 
> The frame is a 59cm, with the rainbow double top tube. It's unique and 
> beautiful. I had some nitpicks about details on the Susie Longbolts, but 
> the Atlantis is Rivendell design and details at its finest.
>
> I'm 6'1", and my PBH is 89 cm, which puts me right on the edge of fitting 
> this bike. It's a big bike. I noticed it more when I had it fully loaded, 
> because I have to do a roundhouse kick like Chuck Norris to get my leg over 
> my sleeping pad that's on top of the saddle bag.
>
> This is my first time using the saddle bag, and it has been great. I 
> thought the thigh rubbing would bother me, but it doesn't. I do need a 
> kickstand to tour with it though. It's no fun to dig through everything in 
> the saddlebag while the bike is laid on it's side in the dark.
>
> The ride is smooth and stable. I passed a group of hikers while climbing 
> some steep singletrack, and got some comments like, "I can't believe you're 
> riding this hill on that bike." Don't let the non racy looks deceive you, 
> this bike climbs better than any bike I've been on, both loaded and 
> unloaded. It reminds me of a tractor on the steep hills. Just put it in low 
> gear, sit down, and spin. 
>
> After the 4 hour ride my body felt fine, which surprised me, given that I 
> haven't been on a long ride in months. On any of my other bikes I've owned 
> I would be hurting after a ride that long. I credit the relaxed position. 
> It invites one to unwind, take in the sights, and see where those side 
> trails lead to.
>

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[RBW] Re: first impressions of Atlantis

[Roberta]

On Wednesday, April 8, 2020 at 12:39:39 AM UTC-4, Clark Fitzgerald wrote:
> I've had my new Atlantis for one week now, and have taken it on one 4 hour 
> ride and one quick overnight trip. It's my first Rivendell, and I'm very 
> happy with it. It's the quintessential "All-Rounder", and I plan to use it 
> for anything and everything, for a very long time. Photos.
> 
> 
> 
> My original order was for a Susie Longbolts, the "Hillibike". In fantasy land 
> I ride my bike on high alpine singletrack all day long. The Hillibike would 
> be great for that. In reality, I have little time for those kinds of grand 
> adventures. My day to day adventures are more modest in scale. I tow my kids, 
> ride my bike on bike paths, smooth urban singletrack, gravel roads, with at 
> least 50% pavement. The terrain is similar to Walnut Creek. I know that if I 
> got something with big knobby tires, then I would not be so happy on the 
> pavement.
> 
> 
> Will at Rivendell changed my order over to the Atlantis. He's a nice guy. The 
> frame is a 59cm, with the rainbow double top tube. It's unique and beautiful. 
> I had some nitpicks about details on the Susie Longbolts, but the Atlantis is 
> Rivendell design and details at its finest.
> 
> 
> I'm 6'1", and my PBH is 89 cm, which puts me right on the edge of fitting 
> this bike. It's a big bike. I noticed it more when I had it fully loaded, 
> because I have to do a roundhouse kick like Chuck Norris to get my leg over 
> my sleeping pad that's on top of the saddle bag.
> 
> 
> This is my first time using the saddle bag, and it has been great. I thought 
> the thigh rubbing would bother me, but it doesn't. I do need a kickstand to 
> tour with it though. It's no fun to dig through everything in the saddlebag 
> while the bike is laid on it's side in the dark.
> 
> 
> The ride is smooth and stable. I passed a group of hikers while climbing some 
> steep singletrack, and got some comments like, "I can't believe you're riding 
> this hill on that bike." Don't let the non racy looks deceive you, this bike 
> climbs better than any bike I've been on, both loaded and unloaded. It 
> reminds me of a tractor on the steep hills. Just put it in low gear, sit 
> down, and spin. 
> 
> 
> After the 4 hour ride my body felt fine, which surprised me, given that I 
> haven't been on a long ride in months. On any of my other bikes I've owned I 
> would be hurting after a ride that long. I credit the relaxed position. It 
> invites one to unwind, take in the sights, and see where those side trails 
> lead to.

Congratulations on your first Riv.  My first Riv ride was on an MUSA Atlantis 
and the ride was unbelievable! (I goe a Joe Appaloosa. ) Youll be so happy with 
it as the years roll by.  Love your bike train😊.  

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