Re: [RBW] Re: headset indexing?

[Will Boericke]

The headset cups have no effect on the workings of a sealed bearing headset
(unlike loose bearing).  They are just supports for the cartridges.  So
indexing would be inside the cartridge, if present.  I don't know that I've
ever felt a cartridge bearing index in any application.  Gritty feeling,
sure, but nothing comparable to a really brinnelled loose bearing headset.

Will

On Thu, Jan 11, 2024, 1:46 PM Richard Rose  wrote:

> Very interesting. A sealed bearing could never “index”, correct? Do my
> races look ok?
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 11, 2024, at 1:32 PM, Will Boericke  wrote:
>
> I'm glad I came across this, as I have a very stiff FSA headset on a
> frame that I thought was screwed up somehow.  No indexing feeling though.
>
> Will
>
> On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 1:29:30 PM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>
>> If it's the stock FSA headset with cartridge bearings I was told by
>> someone at Riv that they send them out tight and that's how they feel. I
>> thought it was too tight also. I haven't ridden mine but you have yours so
>> if it's smooth when riding, leave it be as it was.
>> On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 11:20:13 AM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> While doing a January tear down on my Clem I discovered what feels like
>>> headset indexing. The first time I ever experienced this was on my 1970's
>>> PX10. That was a Stronglight loose ball headset & you could feel and see
>>> the ball indents in the races from the headset being too tight. On the Clem
>>> I never felt it - the steering always felt precise. In the stand it felt
>>> fine. As soon as I removed the weight from the front of the bike - wheel,
>>> handlebars & stem, I could feel the headset was too tight and felt indexed.
>>> However, the races look ok to me. Pics of the races included here. My
>>> question is do modern sealed bearing headsets indent? If not, what else can
>>> cause the "indent" feeling? Crushed bearings? Is my headset toast or just
>>> not adjusted correctly?
>>> Thanks for the help.
>>> [image: IMG_8002.jpg][image: IMG_8001.jpg]
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: headset indexing?

[Richard Rose]

Very interesting. A sealed bearing could never “index”, correct? Do my races look ok? Sent from my iPhoneOn Jan 11, 2024, at 1:32 PM, Will Boericke  wrote:I'm glad I came across this, as I have a very stiff FSA headset on a frame that I thought was screwed up somehow.  No indexing feeling though.WillOn Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 1:29:30 PM UTC-5 Garth wrote:If it's the stock FSA headset with cartridge bearings I was told by someone at Riv that they send them out tight and that's how they feel. I thought it was too tight also. I haven't ridden mine but you have yours so if it's smooth when riding, leave it be as it was. On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 11:20:13 AM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:While doing a January tear down on my Clem I discovered what feels like headset indexing. The first time I ever experienced this was on my 1970's PX10. That was a Stronglight loose ball headset & you could feel and see the ball indents in the races from the headset being too tight. On the Clem I never felt it - the steering always felt precise. In the stand it felt fine. As soon as I removed the weight from the front of the bike - wheel, handlebars & stem, I could feel the headset was too tight and felt indexed. However, the races look ok to me. Pics of the races included here. My question is do modern sealed bearing headsets indent? If not, what else can cause the "indent" feeling? Crushed bearings? Is my headset toast or just not adjusted correctly?Thanks for the help.



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[RBW] Re: headset indexing?

[Will Boericke]

I'm glad I came across this, as I have a very stiff FSA headset on a frame 
that I thought was screwed up somehow.  No indexing feeling though.

Will

On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 1:29:30 PM UTC-5 Garth wrote:

> If it's the stock FSA headset with cartridge bearings I was told by 
> someone at Riv that they send them out tight and that's how they feel. I 
> thought it was too tight also. I haven't ridden mine but you have yours so 
> if it's smooth when riding, leave it be as it was. 
> On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 11:20:13 AM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> While doing a January tear down on my Clem I discovered what feels like 
>> headset indexing. The first time I ever experienced this was on my 1970's 
>> PX10. That was a Stronglight loose ball headset & you could feel and see 
>> the ball indents in the races from the headset being too tight. On the Clem 
>> I never felt it - the steering always felt precise. In the stand it felt 
>> fine. As soon as I removed the weight from the front of the bike - wheel, 
>> handlebars & stem, I could feel the headset was too tight and felt indexed. 
>> However, the races look ok to me. Pics of the races included here. My 
>> question is do modern sealed bearing headsets indent? If not, what else can 
>> cause the "indent" feeling? Crushed bearings? Is my headset toast or just 
>> not adjusted correctly?
>> Thanks for the help.
>> [image: IMG_8002.jpg][image: IMG_8001.jpg]
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: headset indexing?

[Garth]

If it's the stock FSA headset with cartridge bearings I was told by someone 
at Riv that they send them out tight and that's how they feel. I thought it 
was too tight also. I haven't ridden mine but you have yours so if it's 
smooth when riding, leave it be as it was. 
On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 11:20:13 AM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> While doing a January tear down on my Clem I discovered what feels like 
> headset indexing. The first time I ever experienced this was on my 1970's 
> PX10. That was a Stronglight loose ball headset & you could feel and see 
> the ball indents in the races from the headset being too tight. On the Clem 
> I never felt it - the steering always felt precise. In the stand it felt 
> fine. As soon as I removed the weight from the front of the bike - wheel, 
> handlebars & stem, I could feel the headset was too tight and felt indexed. 
> However, the races look ok to me. Pics of the races included here. My 
> question is do modern sealed bearing headsets indent? If not, what else can 
> cause the "indent" feeling? Crushed bearings? Is my headset toast or just 
> not adjusted correctly?
> Thanks for the help.
> [image: IMG_8002.jpg][image: IMG_8001.jpg]
>

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