[RBW] Re: perennial pants issue
Yes, most manufacturers either have what's called garment measurements, or they will measure them for you. Garment measurements are the actual measurements of a piece of clothing, as opposed to generic here's a size large or a size 34. I take those generic measurement to mean little more than a staring point. Garment measurements typically include inseam, outseam(top of the waist to the bottom of the hem along the hip seam), front rise, back rise, waist and hem opening. Some go in further detail, but these are typical. I call retailers and manufacturers all the time asking for these measurements, because I live in retail dead zone, so I rely on mail order. Often the first person you talk to will spout out general sizing, just be persistent and you'll eventually get to a person that knows what you want. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: perennial pants issue
Sorry, this is a bit late. You might try http://www.bicycleclothing.com. Jackson and Gibbens is made in Oregon, and I've been very happy with their stuff. -Scott On Oct 4, 3:34 am, jim_OLP j...@landoloons.com wrote: Every year when it starts to get cold, I undertake a futile search for cycling pants that don't look like something from the ballet or the circus. I mean pants, not lycra tights. And not rain pants, which tend to be way too baggy and - if they're Rivendll - too orange. I want nylon pants that block the wind but are trim enough so they don't flutter in the wind, and will stay out of the way of the chain, preferablly with some sort of cinch around the ankle. I need pockets too. Wool would be great, but I know that's not going to happen. I'd buy the MUSA pants, but I can't do the blue crotch. Just too conspicuous. Ooooh, are those bicycling pants? Where did you get them? It's hard to Google on this without getting 50 pages of black spandex tights. Does anyone else makes something just like the MUSA pants, but without the 2-tone color scheme? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: perennial pants issue
Call them up and ask the inseam measurement. On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 2:51 PM, jim_OLP j...@landoloons.com wrote: I wish somebody here would buy a pair and report back... I need to know if they run long or short. On Oct 3, 9:52 pm, Allan in Portland allan_f...@aracnet.com wrote: One of the local bike shops here in Portland does their own set of pants. They tweeted recently they are getting close to reorder time, which probably means they are close to picked-over on sizes, but if they are in your price range you might want to check them out. They are a very good shop, very BOB-ish, and I trust when they do something they do it right. http://clevercycles.com/2010/04/24/sshhh-introducing-belmont-stealth-... Having said that, I didn't spring for a pair myself and can't personally attest to their quality. I can say Todd, one of the owners, has a pair on every time I see him and they are indeed very stealthy. There is a marked taper to the leg. If you look for it it is noticeable and you know exactly which pair of pants he's wearing. I suspect he has a couple pairs. :-) -Allan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- -- Anne Paulson My hovercraft is full of eels -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: perennial pants issue
FWIW, my method is simply to cut and add velcro; I leave the pockets on -- they are very useful, especially in winter when one doesn't have access to rear jersey pockets. I favor high rise, pleated, full cut dress trousers for comfort when in the hoods or hooks, of tightly woven gabardine or plain weave wool for wear; so far, except for shininess and saddle smudging, mine show little wear after several seasons. I cut mine long, plus 8, hem and add long velcro because I like them snugged up tight under the knee with a lot of bag. FWIW, mine come out of the washer, Kookabura and delicates wash, hang dry, looking decent. On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 9:16 PM, Lee leec...@gmail.com wrote: I posted a Flickr set on how to make your own cycling conversion shorts: http://tinyurl.com/27s7jbv These will match nicely with my Quickbeam. Best, Lee On Oct 5, 4:05 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: Lee, that is DIY-lightful. Nice work. Cycling Re-cons. Brilliant! On Oct 5, 4:01 pm, Lee leec...@gmail.com wrote: This may seem like a hassle, but it really isn't too much trouble, depending on where you live, and can be quite cheap: I'll make a run through the local thrift/Goodwill stores looking for decent pants. I try to find merino wool, but some of the funkier fabrics work quite well. Then, I have the pants converted into shorts or knickers via hemming and pegging. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: perennial pants issue
I just saw theses from Jitensha very pricey though. http://www.jitensha.com/eng/knickers.html But, if they fit and function well . that's priceless. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: perennial pants issue
water repellant cotton breeks http://www.hilltrek.co.uk/acatalog/copy_of_Clova_Ventile_Breeches.html Does anyone else makes something just like the MUSA pants, but without the 2-tone color scheme? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: perennial pants issue
On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 10:21, Garth garth...@gmail.com wrote: I just saw theses from Jitensha very pricey though. http://www.jitensha.com/eng/knickers.html But, if they fit and function well . that's priceless. I like those! My favorite riding trousers are a pair of woolen thrift store Polo-brand golf trousers. I cut the bottoms off and relocated the adjusty buckles at the waistband to the bottom of the leg. Here in Esteban's photo I was wearing them while adventuring in the Santa Monicas with the Riv Bunch last year: http://www.flickr.com/photos/25671...@n02/3894982599/sizes/o/in/photostream/ I find little need for anything shorter or lighter, as I don't get overheated wearing these knickers even on hot days. Wool jerseys and/or long sleeves, on the other hand, do get me feeling quite warm. I find that a thick fabric works best for me, saddle comfort-wise. I like to ride in boxer shorts and on leather saddles, and thin fabrics can bunch up under my sit bones and chafe, but a thick fabric like reasonably thick wool does not bunch up. I'm always on the lookout at thrift stores, and I have a few pairs of trousers waiting for me to get out the sewing machine. James Black Los Angeles, CA -- The 2011 month-at-a-time-view Planner-Calendar, Architecture Burger product AB0612 designed by James Black, is available now. For more information: http://architectureburger.com/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: perennial pants issue
I posted a Flickr set on how to make your own cycling conversion shorts: http://tinyurl.com/27s7jbv These will match nicely with my Quickbeam. Best, Lee On Oct 5, 4:05 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: Lee, that is DIY-lightful. Nice work. Cycling Re-cons. Brilliant! On Oct 5, 4:01 pm, Lee leec...@gmail.com wrote: This may seem like a hassle, but it really isn't too much trouble, depending on where you live, and can be quite cheap: I'll make a run through the local thrift/Goodwill stores looking for decent pants. I try to find merino wool, but some of the funkier fabrics work quite well. Then, I have the pants converted into shorts or knickers via hemming and pegging. A couple years ago, I acquired a live-in seamstress and this really helps. Her improvements included removing the front pockets and sewing the opening down so that there is less friction when churning the legs. I ask her to leave one rear pocket functional, which is where I normally tote a camera. She recently felt overworked and taught me how to do the same alterations on the sewing machine. They really are quite easy, as long as you have someone to pin you initially to get a proper fit. So far, I have plus-four and plus-two knicker conversions, along with several shorts conversions. Currently, I'm working on an easy approach to adding in a gusset. Overall, though, I like the fact that I can get the features I want and a good fit. Also, if I'm patient enough in searching a couple of shops over a period of a couple of months, I can usually find a fabric I like. All for less than $10 a piece. Anyway, here are some pics:http://tinyurl.com/23vldvchttp://tinyurl.com/2dojop6http://tinyurl.co... Best, Lee On Oct 3, 6:34 pm, jim_OLP j...@landoloons.com wrote: Every year when it starts to get cold, I undertake a futile search for cycling pants that don't look like something from the ballet or the circus. I mean pants, not lycra tights. And not rain pants, which tend to be way too baggy and - if they're Rivendll - too orange. I want nylon pants that block the wind but are trim enough so they don't flutter in the wind, and will stay out of the way of the chain, preferablly with some sort of cinch around the ankle. I need pockets too. Wool would be great, but I know that's not going to happen. I'd buy the MUSA pants, but I can't do the blue crotch. Just too conspicuous. Ooooh, are those bicycling pants? Where did you get them? It's hard to Google on this without getting 50 pages of black spandex tights. Does anyone else makes something just like the MUSA pants, but without the 2-tone color scheme? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: perennial pants issue
I just tried the Endura Zyme 3/4 kinckers, and they well . feel like a stiff pair of blue jeans chopped off below the knees. I dislike blue jeans, or any restrictive pant. I guess that's why I wear Ex Officio Amphi pants rolled up as mu knickers . The are pleated in the front, so you get extra thigh room to move without restriction. I swear designing functional pants is a lost or fleeting art. Gotta have pleats. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: perennial pants issue
Not mine; my home made knickers get heavy use during the cold months and, so far, except for some shininess there is no sign of wear after three seasons, for two of them. I use top quality wool trousers for conversion. On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 6:54 PM, Tim McNamara tim...@bitstream.net wrote: I find wool to have inadequate abrasion resistance for shorts, tights and trousers for cycling. They wear through in embarrassing places quickly (sometimes within 2-3 rides). -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: perennial pants issue
This is atually a topic I've thought about at times. I have some semi-casual pants that I can just barely get away with at work that have a zipper around the mid thigh. I can remove them lower leg and get shorts. The only draw back at work is that they have cargo pockets which look kind of dress down. I generally just wear skin shorts and in cooler weather put leg warmers on over the shorts. I then change in the closet in my office. On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 11:58 AM, charlie charles_v...@hotmail.com wrote: Holy cow just wear your denim pants. I wear my Key brand logger pants with suspenders for all my cold weather riding because its what I wear anyway. Yea they are cotton but it hasn't hurt me for rides up to 25 miles which is as far as my commute is. I rode with them in 78 degree weather last Thursday and it wasn't unbearable. In cooler temperatures I don't sweat as bad and they work fine. For lighter rain you just get wet and dry out later. The fit on my jeans is trim in the ankles but I usually just tuck the excess into my sock or wear a reflective ankle gizmo that Riv sells. I've been wanting a chain guard but am too lazy to order one at the moment. Plain old cotton sweat pants work good too if you wear the suspenders to keep them from bunching up but they look kind of too casual off the bike and I won't wear them at work so.. On Oct 3, 6:34 pm, jim_OLP j...@landoloons.com wrote: Every year when it starts to get cold, I undertake a futile search for cycling pants that don't look like something from the ballet or the circus. I mean pants, not lycra tights. And not rain pants, which tend to be way too baggy and - if they're Rivendll - too orange. I want nylon pants that block the wind but are trim enough so they don't flutter in the wind, and will stay out of the way of the chain, preferablly with some sort of cinch around the ankle. I need pockets too. Wool would be great, but I know that's not going to happen. I'd buy the MUSA pants, but I can't do the blue crotch. Just too conspicuous. Ooooh, are those bicycling pants? Where did you get them? It's hard to Google on this without getting 50 pages of black spandex tights. Does anyone else makes something just like the MUSA pants, but without the 2-tone color scheme? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Fai Mao The Blogger who sometimes responds to comments -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
RE: [RBW] Re: perennial pants issue
Just unzip the ankle zipper a bit when you get there and instant bell bottoms! Steve -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of Michael_S Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 4:25 PM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] Re: perennial pants issue I've used the Hind Munich tapered running pant a bunch too. I find them a little too tapered for rides to the pub or coffee shop. Great for hiking/xc sking etc though. ~Mike~ On Oct 4, 10:44 am, Frederick, Steve frede...@mail.lib.msu.edu wrote: I've had good luck with tapered running pants from the local runners shop (Playmakers in Okemos) I think the ones I bought were Hind, brand. I also like Zoic's bamboo-material knickers, Reign I think is the model name. Nice construction and details, very comfortable and well made. (run tight in the waist, tho) Steve -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of jim_OLP Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 9:35 PM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] perennial pants issue Every year when it starts to get cold, I undertake a futile search for cycling pants that don't look like something from the ballet or the circus. I mean pants, not lycra tights. And not rain pants, which tend to be way too baggy and - if they're Rivendll - too orange. I want nylon pants that block the wind but are trim enough so they don't flutter in the wind, and will stay out of the way of the chain, preferablly with some sort of cinch around the ankle. I need pockets too. Wool would be great, but I know that's not going to happen. I'd buy the MUSA pants, but I can't do the blue crotch. Just too conspicuous. Ooooh, are those bicycling pants? Where did you get them? It's hard to Google on this without getting 50 pages of black spandex tights. Does anyone else makes something just like the MUSA pants, but without the 2-tone color scheme? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: perennial pants issue
I see it's time for the Perennial Plea: BRING BACK THE WOOLY WARM PANTS!! or at least something similar. A pant made in merino wool a little looser than the Ralphas. - no dressy garmet pockets or details though. Maybe zippered pockets. Unfortunately VERY expensive for something you'll wear the seat out of - but long lasting otherwise. OK - sorry, you're right I am whining. Phil B -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
RE: [RBW] Re: perennial pants issue
They seem to be in stock: http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/wool-semi-tights/22-271 -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of Phil Bickford Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 3:05 PM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] Re: perennial pants issue I see it's time for the Perennial Plea: BRING BACK THE WOOLY WARM PANTS!! or at least something similar. A pant made in merino wool a little looser than the Ralphas. - no dressy garmet pockets or details though. Maybe zippered pockets. Unfortunately VERY expensive for something you'll wear the seat out of - but long lasting otherwise. OK - sorry, you're right I am whining. Phil B -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: perennial pants issue
Those wool semi tights are long underwear. For long underwear, they're fine, but in no sense are they pants. On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 12:25 PM, Frederick, Steve frede...@mail.lib.msu.edu wrote: They seem to be in stock: http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/wool-semi-tights/22-271 I see it's time for the Perennial Plea: BRING BACK THE WOOLY WARM PANTS!! -- -- Anne Paulson My hovercraft is full of eels -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: perennial pants issue
Mike Flanigan mentions a company called JonesWare on his blog today. These trail pants look somewhat normal: http://www.joneswares.com/item/Men_s_Trek_Trail_Pants/306/c62 On Oct 5, 4:54 pm, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.com wrote: Those wool semi tights are long underwear. For long underwear, they're fine, but in no sense are they pants. On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 12:25 PM, Frederick, Steve frede...@mail.lib.msu.edu wrote: They seem to be in stock: http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/wool-semi-tights/22-271 I see it's time for the Perennial Plea: BRING BACK THE WOOLY WARM PANTS!! -- -- Anne Paulson My hovercraft is full of eels -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: perennial pants issue
This may seem like a hassle, but it really isn't too much trouble, depending on where you live, and can be quite cheap: I'll make a run through the local thrift/Goodwill stores looking for decent pants. I try to find merino wool, but some of the funkier fabrics work quite well. Then, I have the pants converted into shorts or knickers via hemming and pegging. A couple years ago, I acquired a live-in seamstress and this really helps. Her improvements included removing the front pockets and sewing the opening down so that there is less friction when churning the legs. I ask her to leave one rear pocket functional, which is where I normally tote a camera. She recently felt overworked and taught me how to do the same alterations on the sewing machine. They really are quite easy, as long as you have someone to pin you initially to get a proper fit. So far, I have plus-four and plus-two knicker conversions, along with several shorts conversions. Currently, I'm working on an easy approach to adding in a gusset. Overall, though, I like the fact that I can get the features I want and a good fit. Also, if I'm patient enough in searching a couple of shops over a period of a couple of months, I can usually find a fabric I like. All for less than $10 a piece. Anyway, here are some pics: http://tinyurl.com/23vldvc http://tinyurl.com/2dojop6 http://tinyurl.com/2ahuvl2 http://tinyurl.com/2c4zkz8 http://tinyurl.com/2429prc Best, Lee On Oct 3, 6:34 pm, jim_OLP j...@landoloons.com wrote: Every year when it starts to get cold, I undertake a futile search for cycling pants that don't look like something from the ballet or the circus. I mean pants, not lycra tights. And not rain pants, which tend to be way too baggy and - if they're Rivendll - too orange. I want nylon pants that block the wind but are trim enough so they don't flutter in the wind, and will stay out of the way of the chain, preferablly with some sort of cinch around the ankle. I need pockets too. Wool would be great, but I know that's not going to happen. I'd buy the MUSA pants, but I can't do the blue crotch. Just too conspicuous. Ooooh, are those bicycling pants? Where did you get them? It's hard to Google on this without getting 50 pages of black spandex tights. Does anyone else makes something just like the MUSA pants, but without the 2-tone color scheme? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: perennial pants issue
Lee, that is DIY-lightful. Nice work. Cycling Re-cons. Brilliant! On Oct 5, 4:01 pm, Lee leec...@gmail.com wrote: This may seem like a hassle, but it really isn't too much trouble, depending on where you live, and can be quite cheap: I'll make a run through the local thrift/Goodwill stores looking for decent pants. I try to find merino wool, but some of the funkier fabrics work quite well. Then, I have the pants converted into shorts or knickers via hemming and pegging. A couple years ago, I acquired a live-in seamstress and this really helps. Her improvements included removing the front pockets and sewing the opening down so that there is less friction when churning the legs. I ask her to leave one rear pocket functional, which is where I normally tote a camera. She recently felt overworked and taught me how to do the same alterations on the sewing machine. They really are quite easy, as long as you have someone to pin you initially to get a proper fit. So far, I have plus-four and plus-two knicker conversions, along with several shorts conversions. Currently, I'm working on an easy approach to adding in a gusset. Overall, though, I like the fact that I can get the features I want and a good fit. Also, if I'm patient enough in searching a couple of shops over a period of a couple of months, I can usually find a fabric I like. All for less than $10 a piece. Anyway, here are some pics:http://tinyurl.com/23vldvchttp://tinyurl.com/2dojop6http://tinyurl.com/2ahuvl2http://tinyurl.com/2c4zkz8http://tinyurl.com/2429prc Best, Lee On Oct 3, 6:34 pm, jim_OLP j...@landoloons.com wrote: Every year when it starts to get cold, I undertake a futile search for cycling pants that don't look like something from the ballet or the circus. I mean pants, not lycra tights. And not rain pants, which tend to be way too baggy and - if they're Rivendll - too orange. I want nylon pants that block the wind but are trim enough so they don't flutter in the wind, and will stay out of the way of the chain, preferablly with some sort of cinch around the ankle. I need pockets too. Wool would be great, but I know that's not going to happen. I'd buy the MUSA pants, but I can't do the blue crotch. Just too conspicuous. Ooooh, are those bicycling pants? Where did you get them? It's hard to Google on this without getting 50 pages of black spandex tights. Does anyone else makes something just like the MUSA pants, but without the 2-tone color scheme? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: perennial pants issue
Forgot to mention that a tailor would probably do the hemming and pegging for less than $20 (San Francisco rates). Lee On Oct 5, 4:01 pm, Lee leec...@gmail.com wrote: This may seem like a hassle, but it really isn't too much trouble, depending on where you live, and can be quite cheap: I'll make a run through the local thrift/Goodwill stores looking for decent pants. I try to find merino wool, but some of the funkier fabrics work quite well. Then, I have the pants converted into shorts or knickers via hemming and pegging. A couple years ago, I acquired a live-in seamstress and this really helps. Her improvements included removing the front pockets and sewing the opening down so that there is less friction when churning the legs. I ask her to leave one rear pocket functional, which is where I normally tote a camera. She recently felt overworked and taught me how to do the same alterations on the sewing machine. They really are quite easy, as long as you have someone to pin you initially to get a proper fit. So far, I have plus-four and plus-two knicker conversions, along with several shorts conversions. Currently, I'm working on an easy approach to adding in a gusset. Overall, though, I like the fact that I can get the features I want and a good fit. Also, if I'm patient enough in searching a couple of shops over a period of a couple of months, I can usually find a fabric I like. All for less than $10 a piece. Anyway, here are some pics:http://tinyurl.com/23vldvchttp://tinyurl.com/2dojop6http://tinyurl.com/2ahuvl2http://tinyurl.com/2c4zkz8http://tinyurl.com/2429prc Best, Lee On Oct 3, 6:34 pm, jim_OLP j...@landoloons.com wrote: Every year when it starts to get cold, I undertake a futile search for cycling pants that don't look like something from the ballet or the circus. I mean pants, not lycra tights. And not rain pants, which tend to be way too baggy and - if they're Rivendll - too orange. I want nylon pants that block the wind but are trim enough so they don't flutter in the wind, and will stay out of the way of the chain, preferablly with some sort of cinch around the ankle. I need pockets too. Wool would be great, but I know that's not going to happen. I'd buy the MUSA pants, but I can't do the blue crotch. Just too conspicuous. Ooooh, are those bicycling pants? Where did you get them? It's hard to Google on this without getting 50 pages of black spandex tights. Does anyone else makes something just like the MUSA pants, but without the 2-tone color scheme? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: perennial pants issue
I wear the wool semi tights as winter tights and they are fine. Especially under a pair of shorts. Joneswares makes (in the USa btw) very good stuff, and they are great people to work with. I wear their shorts and jerseys all year round (with/without tights as you might expect) From: JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, October 5, 2010 5:02:49 PM Subject: [RBW] Re: perennial pants issue Mike Flanigan mentions a company called JonesWare on his blog today. These trail pants look somewhat normal: http://www.joneswares.com/item/Men_s_Trek_Trail_Pants/306/c62 On Oct 5, 4:54 pm, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.com wrote: Those wool semi tights are long underwear. For long underwear, they're fine, but in no sense are they pants. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: perennial pants issue
I find wool to have inadequate abrasion resistance for shorts, tights and trousers for cycling. They wear through in embarrassing places quickly (sometimes within 2-3 rides). -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: perennial pants issue
Joneswares absolutely do not wear like this. Ibex duos don't either (but they are not wool on the high wear areas). Can't speak to other brands. From: Tim McNamara tim...@bitstream.net To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, October 5, 2010 7:54:20 PM Subject: [RBW] Re: perennial pants issue I find wool to have inadequate abrasion resistance for shorts, tights and trousers for cycling. They wear through in embarrassing places quickly (sometimes within 2-3 rides). -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: perennial pants issue
On Oct 5, 6:08 pm, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com wrote: Joneswares absolutely do not wear like this. Ibex duos don't either (but they are not wool on the high wear areas). Can't speak to other brands. I have a pair of their hiking pants. The material isn't as heavy as their shorts. I had them sew a pad in for cycling. I found them too baggy, and had them trim the cut down. I've since shortened them into shorts. Semi-baggy wool shorts with no leg elastic. They work best for me with a pair of (wool) underwear for support. There shorts are great and wear well - they are very nice people to deal with and stand behind their products. I've also got a short sleeve (Robinson) jersey in black and red, and a long sleeve red. Both jersey's have a zip-up turtleneck collar which I usually wear unzipped and fold under, but when it's cold it's great to have the coverage. The shorts BTW come in three different lengths! Phil B -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: perennial pants issue
I really like the REI adventure pant, http://www.rei.com/product/784060 small crotch gusset, a nicely brushed quick-drying nylon, extra zipped pockets on the thighs. I have two pair that I wear alot for the office, and they look good after the ride in. They will need an overpant or underwear for sub-freezing riding. When the next 20% off on item REI sale comes around again, I may own three pair and just rotate through them for the work week. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: perennial pants issue
I also really like Carhartt pants. They are my Levi's for the new mellinium. I like the side pockets on their carpenter pants where I carry my cell on the right side and pepper spray on the left. Here is the Carhartt nylon pant http://www.sierratradingpost.com/p/154,2123D_Carhartt-Ripstop-Work-Pants-For-Men-.html but Carhartts don't have a gusseted crotch. For a gussetted jean http://www.gussetclothing.com/ I have one pair, they seem to run a bit large. On Oct 4, 8:17 am, Mojo gjtra...@yahoo.com wrote: I really like the REI adventure pant, http://www.rei.com/product/784060 small crotch gusset, a nicely brushed quick-drying nylon, extra zipped pockets on the thighs. I have two pair that I wear alot for the office, and they look good after the ride in. They will need an overpant or underwear for sub-freezing riding. When the next 20% off on item REI sale comes around again, I may own three pair and just rotate through them for the work week. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: perennial pants issue
+1 on Diamond Gusset. I stopped wearing denim years ago. Couple years back afte GP endorsed Diamond Gusset as a good MUSA product I figured I would try a pair for the heck of it. I have three pair and like them for winter riding. I get them a little loose so I can wear long merino skivvies underneath when it is real cold. Two other candidates from Filson: Mackinaw Field Pants: http://www.filson.com/products/mackinaw-field-pants.14010.html?fromCat=truefvalsProduct=mens/pants-shortsfmetaProduct=1011 Very rugged and very warm! Cannot stress the second enough. These appear to be designed for people working outside in Alaska or on the range in Wyoming. I bought a pair but can only wear them riding on the coldest January and February days here in Northern Illinois. Any time else they are too warm. Whipcord Pants: http://www.filson.com/products/whipcord-pants.14009.html?fromCat=truefvalsProduct=mens/pants-shortsfmetaProduct=1011 After my experience with the Mackinaws, I figured these will work better in Illinois. Just received a pair. Has not been cold enough to wear them yet. They appear to allow plenty of movement and should be comfortable. On Oct 4, 10:07 am, Mojo gjtra...@yahoo.com wrote: I also really like Carhartt pants. They are my Levi's for the new mellinium. I like the side pockets on their carpenter pants where I carry my cell on the right side and pepper spray on the left. Here is the Carhartt nylon panthttp://www.sierratradingpost.com/p/154,2123D_Carhartt-Ripstop-Work-Pa... but Carhartts don't have a gusseted crotch. For a gussetted jean http://www.gussetclothing.com/I have one pair, they seem to run a bit large. On Oct 4, 8:17 am, Mojo gjtra...@yahoo.com wrote: I really like the REI adventure pant, http://www.rei.com/product/784060 small crotch gusset, a nicely brushed quick-drying nylon, extra zipped pockets on the thighs. I have two pair that I wear alot for the office, and they look good after the ride in. They will need an overpant or underwear for sub-freezing riding. When the next 20% off on item REI sale comes around again, I may own three pair and just rotate through them for the work week.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: perennial pants issue
Yeah Patrick I'm the same. Every fall time to find some proper pants or in my case also knickers. I'm about to try these from Endura, called the Zyme 3/4. They look rather normal. No liner. Diamond gusset crotch. http://s3.backcountry.com/900/EDA/EDA0036/EDA0036-CH.jpg http://www.hucknroll.com/endura-zyme-3-4-bike-short-mens?CMP_SKU=EDA0036MER=0406CMP_ID=SH_FRO011mv_pc=r126mr:trackingCode=F6FE76D1-9663-DF11-9DA0-002219319097mr:referralID=NA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: perennial pants issue
The RBW web-site has out-of-stock indicators for black/black pants, which as far as I know have not yet been in-stock... don't know if that means they're coming in time for this winter or not; those indicators have been there a while. But if the blue-crotch thing is the only thing stopping you, there may be a MUSA-brand solution in the pipeline. Worth a call to RBWHQ. Of course, you'll still have the scotchlite patch to mark you. Me, I don't care. Blue-crotch, green-crotch, shorts, longs, and recently knickers all of cycling pants are RBW MUSA. The only issue I have with them is that my butternut/olive longs and my olive/blue longs are billowy enough to develop grease tatoos above the cinch from the chain well behind the chainrings. But I don't really care. My look has enough intrinsic quirk that the quirk RBW pants add is marginal. And I kind of like the quirk anyway. When I add suspenders, I'm a well-fed Frodo. Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean On Oct 3, 8:34 pm, jim_OLP j...@landoloons.com wrote: Every year when it starts to get cold, I undertake a futile search for cycling pants that don't look like something from the ballet or the circus. I mean pants, not lycra tights. And not rain pants, which tend to be way too baggy and - if they're Rivendll - too orange. I want nylon pants that block the wind but are trim enough so they don't flutter in the wind, and will stay out of the way of the chain, preferablly with some sort of cinch around the ankle. I need pockets too. Wool would be great, but I know that's not going to happen. I'd buy the MUSA pants, but I can't do the blue crotch. Just too conspicuous. Ooooh, are those bicycling pants? Where did you get them? It's hard to Google on this without getting 50 pages of black spandex tights. Does anyone else makes something just like the MUSA pants, but without the 2-tone color scheme? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: perennial pants issue
I've used the Hind Munich tapered running pant a bunch too. I find them a little too tapered for rides to the pub or coffee shop. Great for hiking/xc sking etc though. ~Mike~ On Oct 4, 10:44 am, Frederick, Steve frede...@mail.lib.msu.edu wrote: I've had good luck with tapered running pants from the local runners shop (Playmakers in Okemos) I think the ones I bought were Hind, brand. I also like Zoic's bamboo-material knickers, Reign I think is the model name. Nice construction and details, very comfortable and well made. (run tight in the waist, tho) Steve -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of jim_OLP Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 9:35 PM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] perennial pants issue Every year when it starts to get cold, I undertake a futile search for cycling pants that don't look like something from the ballet or the circus. I mean pants, not lycra tights. And not rain pants, which tend to be way too baggy and - if they're Rivendll - too orange. I want nylon pants that block the wind but are trim enough so they don't flutter in the wind, and will stay out of the way of the chain, preferablly with some sort of cinch around the ankle. I need pockets too. Wool would be great, but I know that's not going to happen. I'd buy the MUSA pants, but I can't do the blue crotch. Just too conspicuous. Ooooh, are those bicycling pants? Where did you get them? It's hard to Google on this without getting 50 pages of black spandex tights. Does anyone else makes something just like the MUSA pants, but without the 2-tone color scheme? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: perennial pants issue
Holy cow just wear your denim pants. I wear my Key brand logger pants with suspenders for all my cold weather riding because its what I wear anyway. Yea they are cotton but it hasn't hurt me for rides up to 25 miles which is as far as my commute is. I rode with them in 78 degree weather last Thursday and it wasn't unbearable. In cooler temperatures I don't sweat as bad and they work fine. For lighter rain you just get wet and dry out later. The fit on my jeans is trim in the ankles but I usually just tuck the excess into my sock or wear a reflective ankle gizmo that Riv sells. I've been wanting a chain guard but am too lazy to order one at the moment. Plain old cotton sweat pants work good too if you wear the suspenders to keep them from bunching up but they look kind of too casual off the bike and I won't wear them at work so.. On Oct 3, 6:34 pm, jim_OLP j...@landoloons.com wrote: Every year when it starts to get cold, I undertake a futile search for cycling pants that don't look like something from the ballet or the circus. I mean pants, not lycra tights. And not rain pants, which tend to be way too baggy and - if they're Rivendll - too orange. I want nylon pants that block the wind but are trim enough so they don't flutter in the wind, and will stay out of the way of the chain, preferablly with some sort of cinch around the ankle. I need pockets too. Wool would be great, but I know that's not going to happen. I'd buy the MUSA pants, but I can't do the blue crotch. Just too conspicuous. Ooooh, are those bicycling pants? Where did you get them? It's hard to Google on this without getting 50 pages of black spandex tights. Does anyone else makes something just like the MUSA pants, but without the 2-tone color scheme? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: perennial pants issue
What about Outlier pants ($$$)? Or perhaps the SWRV all weather jobbies. I have their knickers and love them. PLUS they're vanity sized at the waist! On Oct 3, 9:34 pm, jim_OLP j...@landoloons.com wrote: Every year when it starts to get cold, I undertake a futile search for cycling pants that don't look like something from the ballet or the circus. I mean pants, not lycra tights. And not rain pants, which tend to be way too baggy and - if they're Rivendll - too orange. I want nylon pants that block the wind but are trim enough so they don't flutter in the wind, and will stay out of the way of the chain, preferablly with some sort of cinch around the ankle. I need pockets too. Wool would be great, but I know that's not going to happen. I'd buy the MUSA pants, but I can't do the blue crotch. Just too conspicuous. Ooooh, are those bicycling pants? Where did you get them? It's hard to Google on this without getting 50 pages of black spandex tights. Does anyone else makes something just like the MUSA pants, but without the 2-tone color scheme? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: perennial pants issue
One of the local bike shops here in Portland does their own set of pants. They tweeted recently they are getting close to reorder time, which probably means they are close to picked-over on sizes, but if they are in your price range you might want to check them out. They are a very good shop, very BOB-ish, and I trust when they do something they do it right. http://clevercycles.com/2010/04/24/sshhh-introducing-belmont-stealth-pantaloons/ Having said that, I didn't spring for a pair myself and can't personally attest to their quality. I can say Todd, one of the owners, has a pair on every time I see him and they are indeed very stealthy. There is a marked taper to the leg. If you look for it it is noticeable and you know exactly which pair of pants he's wearing. I suspect he has a couple pairs. :-) -Allan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: perennial pants issue
These work well and have a good fit http://www.mountaingear.com/pages/product/product.asp/imanf/The+North+Face/idesc/Eidolon+Pant+%2D+Men%27s+%2D+Summer+2010/Store/MG/item/218534/N/722 On Oct 3, 9:34 pm, jim_OLP j...@landoloons.com wrote: Every year when it starts to get cold, I undertake a futile search for cycling pants that don't look like something from the ballet or the circus. I mean pants, not lycra tights. And not rain pants, which tend to be way too baggy and - if they're Rivendll - too orange. I want nylon pants that block the wind but are trim enough so they don't flutter in the wind, and will stay out of the way of the chain, preferablly with some sort of cinch around the ankle. I need pockets too. Wool would be great, but I know that's not going to happen. I'd buy the MUSA pants, but I can't do the blue crotch. Just too conspicuous. Ooooh, are those bicycling pants? Where did you get them? It's hard to Google on this without getting 50 pages of black spandex tights. Does anyone else makes something just like the MUSA pants, but without the 2-tone color scheme? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: perennial pants issue
I recently came across this company's website: http://pistard.cc I have not tried any of their products yet, so cannot comment on how well made they are. But they do have an understated, stylish look. Some might even say their stuff is Rapha-esque... On Oct 3, 8:33 pm, Horace max...@sdf.lonestar.org wrote: http://www.rapha.cc/rapha-trousers On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 6:34 PM, jim_OLP j...@landoloons.com wrote: Every year when it starts to get cold, I undertake a futile search for cycling pants that don't look like something from the ballet or the circus. I mean pants, not lycra tights. And not rain pants, which tend to be way too baggy and - if they're Rivendll - too orange. I want nylon pants that block the wind but are trim enough so they don't flutter in the wind, and will stay out of the way of the chain, preferablly with some sort of cinch around the ankle. I need pockets too. Wool would be great, but I know that's not going to happen. I'd buy the MUSA pants, but I can't do the blue crotch. Just too conspicuous. Ooooh, are those bicycling pants? Where did you get them? It's hard to Google on this without getting 50 pages of black spandex tights. Does anyone else makes something just like the MUSA pants, but without the 2-tone color scheme? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2Bunsubscrib e...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
